Ongoing and continuing conceptions and follicling ahead of Feisty, Fabulous Forty somethings

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Just to start us off.

May this be a happy and lucky thread for all of us.

Oh no got distracted again, but here is something about fall-back rise in charting: Q: What is a Fallback Temperature?
A: A fallback temperature or a 'fallback temperature shift pattern' is a BBT curve where the basal body temperature will drop for a single day to or below the coverline, even after it has already risen. This usually happens within days after ovulation. The temperature will then rise again above the coverline, usually the next day. A fallback temperature has no significant effect on a possible pregnancy and the temperature for that day can be ignored.from pregnancy information website or:Some women may see a drop in temperature the day or two after the thermal shift. It is likely due to a surge of estrogen. This is normal and does not affect fertility. It should rise again the next day. from tryingtoconceive website

Now back to chat with all...!

gum -when(if!) I get pregnant and get to 12 week scan, I am not telling people!!!! I have had such an awful time with MIL with each and every of my pregnancies I have decided not to tell anyone here (will tell my family on the phone but they are in a different country!). I will wait til people work out it is not just fat but a baby bump. Then when they get the nerve to ask me I will just confirm that I am expecting but not go into any details about the hassel I have been through to get there.

deige - hope the theme park is going well today.

sassy - it is very hard when so many people know you are ttc, the pressure is on every month. But you know that when it does happen, so many people are going to be really happy for you.

muchlove - I think that the 'spanish maid' should go on strike and make those teenagers work, so that you can relax and enjoy the ttc! OK teenagers are not that easy to deal with, respect to you for ttc with teenagers around the place, i am impressed!

hippy - found this: "The key in dealing with your thyroid condition during pregnancy is close monitoring of your TSH and T3 and T4 levels and compliance with your treatment regimen. Many guidelines say that a pregnant woman with hypothyroidism should have her thyroid function checked during each trimester. In particular, it's known that the thyroid hormone dosage requirement can increase in the early part of pregnancy due to the increased estrogen levels of early pregnancy."website Dr Rai also told me that low thyroid can affect early pregnancy. I was tested as my mum and aunt both got low thyroid problems later in life, my test turned up ok. So I have no excuse for my tiredness

Perhaps it is this working full-time that has me tired, can't wait to get back to part-time next week and to be able to spend time with my dh and children.

Talking of work, better get some lunch before the next on-slaught happens

Am feeling left out... maybe I should start charting...

I also don't own a slanket.. I have looked them up now and am horrified. Boden don't make one - not that I have any Boden either tbh. Clearly you lot all have virile hubbies - after a week of SWI, DH is relieved not to anyway...

Hey All

GG Great info you have posted there I am a sucker for facts
GUM Thanks for welcome and pleased to meet you (virtual) hi 5
DIEGE Didn't get to tuck into 'mistresses' as stoopid nearly 1 yr old puppy scavenged a chicken carcass out of food bin and so had to rush him to vets (at 10pm) to make him 'sick' then they had to keep him in overnight for monitoring !!!!
So I didn't sleep well (3hrs) coz I was worried and now today I'm a complete shambles GGRRRHHHH
AF arrived during the night and brought a couple of heavies with her just to kick me while I was down what a beeatch !!
So CHEMICAL it was then
Got a bit 'wobbly' about noon with dark thoughts of 'WHY AM I BEING PUNISHED LIKE THIS'? ... 'WHAT HAVE I DONE SO BAD THAT I AM GETTING PAID BACK IN THIS WAY' Then wiped my eyes and blew my nose and realised it's just the hormones crashing down and Im tired....DH had day off today bcoz it's our anniversary and I hve spent the whole day in bed moping 'What a loada crap' !!

Hi SASSY yes charting is great way of learning about your body but it can also bring it's demons (temp taking at the same time each day...staring at a chart like it's gonna talk to you and tell you if your pg....I have 15mnths worth and they do become addictive

One of the first things I was looking forward to doing with 1st BFP/PG/ was smashing my digi thermometer up but it's still laying next to me in my underwear drawer taunting me ... whispering .. ha ha you still need me don't ya....

How are you today HIPPY ?

Hello to everybody else

xx

Muchlove much love to you - sorry to hear you got your AF and the blues.. Never mind, it will be time to try again in a few days... When you say that you have 15 months of charts, does that mean you have been trying since May 2009, rather than May 2010? Sorry - confused..

I'm no good at rememebering to do things at the same time every day...

Yep SASSY I have been charting since May 2009 I just can't seem to break contact with FF (fertility friend online charting site).
I did get preggo in June/July 2009 which was like 'Woo hoo' result but it ended at 7 and half weeks. I was completely devestated (we both were) especially harder was the fact that I had told most of family and friends who up until then didn't have a clue we were even trying - then all of a sudden our grief show was thrown open to the public - I still have friends ask me how it's all going i.e 'any news yet' ? 'Are you still trying'? blah blah
I really am uncomfortable with it - So I can't even imagine how you cope/feel when you are asked same sort of questions after what you have been through ....sending you a virtual hug x
Well anyways this day will be done soon and tomorrows another day and I can't sit in the blues forever (my bed resembles a Tracy Emin work of art- he he- but instead of cigarettes, condoms and pill pkts it's strewn with pregnancy tests and charts and thermometer..........

Night all x

Hello! Sorry for af muchlove though you did make me laugh with your description of the thermometer taunting you . Time will pass quickly and you will be SWI when I am no doubt waiting for af to finish (due next week).
cd 18 here (6 days post-ov) so going to start obsessing about post-ov dip now...This charting is certainly something else - I'm convincing myself I'm pregnant with every high temp,forgetting that my chart would look like this post-ov whether I was ttc or not
Met with a MN friend today who is being a surrogate and in the early stages of pregnancy.It took me back to the sickness of early pregnancy and the 'pallour'(sp?) that you have in the early days. Still hasn't put me off though!
Hope everyone is well and enjoying the BH

I haven't been on for a couple of days and boy can you lot yakk!!!!

Love the idea of a Boden slanket - chic and yet so cossie - put me down for one please.

GG You said - Dr Rai also told me that low thyroid can affect early pregnancy. Do you mean he said it can cause MC's??? I did wonder if it had caused problems in my two recent pregs. But i still feel deep down that it was more likely dodgy embryos. Still if I do get preg again and I'm on the right tabs it might make a difference in a good way - no point wondering about what caused the other two i suppose.

muchlove so sorry you are feeling so down. Someone on another thread once said - CD2 is sooo much better than CD1 - so hopefully you'll be feeling a bit better soon.

I agree that it's a pain people knowing that your ttc. After my MMC in feb people at work kept asking - "any news?" and I just kept saying I'll let you know when there is, with a big fixed on my face.

One person asked me when i was right in the middle of suspecting I was MCing again in June. "Any news since your sad loss?" and i wanted to say - "Yes another BLOODY sad loss about to happen, thanks for asking!!!"

Having said all that I think i remember asking someone at work if they were going to try again after a mc - this was before I had a clue what the feck it was all like to go through.

I'm about 3 days after Ov here, so no need for SWITI yet (Hippy dons slanket). So glad I have an excuse to be so tired and plump - hooray!

Hello all, on way back now and got internet connection. Af came early for me this month (around 24 days, wasn't taking vit b) . Cruelly it was rtd from hell and came on my due date for my mmc. Found it really really tough. Kept thinking i should be holding a baby now, not having horrid period . Will be thinking of you on 30th hippy.

Am not sure what to do now, can't face another month of swi and getting stressed about it. Not charting so far this month or doing cbfm, or taking anything (all "equipment " left at home) so maybe will give it a rest.

Sorry not to name check everyone, hello to newcomers, and sorry no positive tests so far.

Hi Muchlove don't think we have 'met'. You said you have teens and a twenty one year old! Amazing, two of my friends have kids aged primary up to secondary and another two have kids aged primary up to early twenties. They seem to cope OK with the mix. I'm sure you could re-invent yourself any way you like. I am planning on re-inventing myself as a slim, healthy, fit person, with the help of Rosemary Conley!

djinnie hi and welcome. Is it worth getting DH tested again to see if there is anything at all? If there is anything could you look into IVF with ICSI? This is what we have tried (Unsuccessfully so far - although we already have a DD). Apologies if I have missed anything, I am usually lurking but I am raising my head briefly at the end of watching 'The Bodyguard'!!

Beattiebow sorry to hear about your terrible day. Thinking of you.

Hippy we are women; there is always a reason to be tired and plump! Thinking of you for the 30th.

Sassy my thoughts are with you as it must be so tough having people prying all the time about tcc.

I think it is a bummer people asking about tcc. It is so hard to smile and just move on but it seems easier than telling them, how much I hate them asking! I am sure they mean well, I have a fair few in my life who know I am TTC, one lovely dear lady at church was always asking me for progress, I know she was praying for me faithfully and I felt disappointed to not have any news to tell her but I also hated her asking me and so I avoided her! I think this is one of the reasons I did not tell people at work about my situation and I have only told a handful of people that I am trying again.

Muchlove sorry to hear about your puppy eating chicken and vet visit, sounds a bit of a nightmare. Actually puppy eating chicken sounds like something entirely different!

Gum sorry you get all these negative comments from family about the number of kids. Conversely as the mum of an 'only' I have to put up with the odd comment about selfish children with no brothers or sisters to share with (my daughter is one of the least selfish children I know!). Gum Just my humble opinion but I wouldn?t say it was an accident, you might choose to let people think it was, but I'd tell that little one how much effort you went to to get it. Just my view! Can't believe your family are so unsupportive, is there a reason? Don?t say if you don't want to. Just being nosy!

Jolly thinking of you, sweetie.

Lia congratulations on 10 weeks.

I am watching the X factor now - must go to bed!!!!!!!!. the X-factor is so weird and riveting in a silly way; the only other time I watched it was when I was in hospital having my DD. So it feels kind of weird! Actually, watching Louie Walsh?s grimace is quite weird!

OK, overuse of the word weird. Must go to bed!

I reckon one of you is secretly selling Slankets on the Internet!

Love to all

Afternoon all xx

Well to go with my lack of pg symptons I now have period pain. Boo
I see a number of folk are feeling low - and I'm probably pre-menstrual so can certainly join you...

{hauls a big comfy counch into the centre of the thread, puts on a girl movie and grabs the family sized packet of maltesers}

Any takers?

Mmm yes please Sassy, budge over, pass me my slanket and the maltesers please(preferably the brown as opposed to white ones). Where are you up to cycle-wise Sassy? Are you expecting af or would this be early for you?
Italian you have discovered my guilty secret re: slanket promotion . Mine is hanging on the bathroom hook,beckoning me,but I have put dh off for a few days now with feeling tired and can put off no longer...at least it will fit in with this implantation theory as 7 days post-ov today...How are things with you?
Beattie sorry to hear about af.I think we have been quite similar cycle-wise as mine chaged from 27 days to 24,though last months 32 days after taking agnus castus for first time. From my chart/opks I ovulated on cd 12 this month (earlier than usual) so hoping it's having an effect. Would you maybe think of trying AC to lengthen LP? Hope you're feeling as ok as you can be xx
Hippy I'm of your slanket-donning..I wish I'd done it last night now rather than putting off til today - that pesky x-factor drains my energy!
Must start marking re-sits tonight too..then new terms starts week after next.Where has the summer gone? . Ah well, not long till xmas

aaahhhh! so snuggly.

Got two more days of work then hiding away for a week at home doing housework!

Sassy - hope the old witch does not appear to you.

Sassy I am afraid I have munched a whole treat sized bag of minstrels! They did not make a sound going down!

Diege I am OK. I am still taking the Agnus Castus and kind of hoping for a miracle, yet also hoping the treatment works and also wondering if this how it should be, one child, and just get on with the rest of my life. It is all so uncertain. I must just get on with getting fit. Thanks for asking.

X-factor, it is fun, I like Mary and Rebecca from Dublin and the girl group Husslers. Go girls!

Those maltesters are mine girls(if there are any left).
Hippy thinking of you today my love xxx

Well a massively disappointing few hrs for me. Had the urge to pee on a stick late last night and got a clear BFP(came up quite quickly,though faint(7 days post-ov). Tested again this morning and a clear BFN . Also had big temp drop (which I would have interpreted as implantation dip had I not got a BFP yesterday - still might be a reflection of attempted implantation at some point I suppose).Anyway, things not going in the right direction and not sure now whether it's better to know something started and then finished, or not to have known at all . I don't fear it's a LP problem,more just a bad egg as the change came so quickly, though of course will know more in a few days.
We're not doing too well on here at the moment are we??!!!

Hey All

Sorry been M.I.A but had a really busy weekend filled with loads of social gatherings (it has been as much as I can even muster putting mascara on but I had to).
Still got a few more today as well (for godssake)then I can relax and slob out again.

HIPPY I hope you get through today without too much sadness, I am thinking of you .....remember tomorrow is another day...

DIEGE That sounds weird possy then negative when are u due AF ?

SASSY Deffo on that couch with you except I don't like maltesers (can you believe that!)I prefer Minstrels

Hi to GG and ITALIAN and GUM on the other side of the world......

Will be back on later tonight to catch up with you all...... now gotta go get ready for a lunch date with some friends who have been trying for a baby for 3 years and are now 14 weeks pg (HOORAY for them) only thing is she due same time as I was with my 3rd MC and that makes my stomach churn
Oh well the 'Agony and the Ecstacy'

xx

diege sorry to hear you got a BFP and now a BFN - are you thinking CP or are you still hopefull. It's odd to get a pos only 7 days post ovulation (could it have been an evap line or did it defo appear in the 5 mins?)

I guess the positive way to look at it is that it's still very early and maybe there just wasn't enough HGH to give a pos this morning but there was yesterday - could that be possible?? Keep us posted please.

I love the idea of us all sitting on the sofa together. Can't decide between maltesers or minstrels - errrmmm.... I'll take a few of both please

Feeling a bit sorry for myself today. Said to DH are you sad cos we were meant to get our baby today? He said, no cos we are meant to get one next spring instead. Easy for him to bloody say .

We have 2 boys born in the spring and he is convinced we are meant to get a spring baby - by that reconing I'd better be preg this month - no pressure then!!!

beattie how feckin' cruel is mother nature to give you AF on your previous EDD. That is so shit - so sorry honey. I think the reason I'm not too bad today is cos I'm on the 2 week wait and so I have some hope at the moment. Sending you a (((()))) and hoping you get your BFP soon.

Glad to see you're back with us italian - did you smell the maltesers???

I totally agree with italian's advise for muchlove - you can re-invent yourself as anything you choose. I understand what your saying about the only thing you're good as is being a mum and I feel like that sometimes - but sooner or later we are gonna turn 50 and having more babies isn't gonna be quite so high on our to do lists and we are gonna have to find something to be good at - I plan to be a famous novelist. I'll bet there are loads of things you can do that you just don't have time for at the mo.

Lots of love to all of you. xxx

Thanks to those of you who mentioned my due date was today - to be honest I haven't thought about it much consciously recently but I have had 2 weird dreams:-

1 where I was heavily preg and I kept telling everyone I was 40 weeks today and going to the hospital. Then I said "It's odd actually cos I'm sure i had a couple of MC's this year and loads of periods but I still seem to be 40 weeks!!"

2 where I found a dead baby buried in the park and had to call the police - that one was horrid and shows I am freaky in my brain!!!

Ah Hippy I think that shows that you are very healthy mentally actually, your poor old brain making sense of everything in its own way. I understand too how being in the 2ww can help a little as you have potentially very good news ahead .
Thanks for your comments about my BFP/BFN but I think it really is over for this month. The BFP line came up at the same time as test line (ie, was faintly visible as wee passed over it) and then darkened by end of first minute. Still there now taunting me . Agree, very odd to have a strong result 7 days post-ov, but then I do seem to get my BFPs on the day of implantation and have high HCG in my pregnancies (have hyperemesis that starts at about 4.5 weeks). Obviously it wasn't meant to be.Not sure what chart will show for rest of week (af not due till next Sunday)?? My biggest worry I suppose is that my progesterone levels are low, hence the BFN, but having said that it would be a bit sudden for them to drop so rapidly after the one day of implantation?? .More a case of a dud egg/sperm combo I think...
Oh well, you live and learn. First time this has happened to me (is it a chemical preg or not even that?)and I don't think I'll be testing that early again.
Sorry for me post - not told anyone in RL (not even dh) so good to get it all out!

diege So sorry honey. Why not tell DH??? I always say I wont test early for fear of exactly what you've described but tests are so cheap and they bloody taunt you - don't they.

ta for saying I'm not loopy. The dream about the dead baby was really upsetting but I'm guessing it has to do with the MMC back in feb. Onward and upwards

diege I guess if it's a dud egg/sperm combo it's better to find out asap. I felt that when I MC'd at 7 weeks - I thought at least I didn't get any further along before finding out. Cold comfort I know .

I agreeHippy.I remember after my mmc at 10 weeks thinking how grateful I would have been to have got away with a chemical pregnancy rather than have weeks of false hope. Be careful what you wish for eh!
I probably will tell dh - he's out with the older Dcs for the day, so may mention later. He got really stressed when I thought I might be pregnant last month (32 day cycle)worrying about money etc, so was holding off with the news of the bfp anyway until I was sure. Warped logic I know! So just now, in my highly-stressed state,I peed on a stick which turned out to be an opk and got a dark-ish line - I'm not thinking pregnancy now (I know it can show on one)more that af will appear soon-ish as I think you get a small lh surge before af? What a doufus I am

I say wait till morning and do a pregnancy stick with strong FMU. Thinking of you matey. xx

Thank-you Hippy . I think I will see if my temp rises (it fell from 36.89, my all-time high of this cycle to 36.60 this morning) and if so will do my last remaining test You know the tests that I've used weren;t especially sensitive either (25 miu) so makes that super quick/dark bfp on 7 dpo very odd indeed .

Good luck lovie. Please bare in mind that lying awake all night wondering what your temp will be in the morning can have a dreadful effect on said temperature - i know from experience. So sorry you're having all this am i/arn't i crap - Get in your slanket and do whatever helps a bit, eg. eat/drink chocolate, wine, hot chocolate, minstrels etc.

sassy when are you returning to work??

I remember when i went back after my MMC (which is obviously not the same at all - but the only thing I have experienced), some people said nothing and some gave hugs.

the main thing was that i had one friend at work who is one of my best friends in RL. She took one look at my face when i'd been back about 3 days and we'd just heard that someone's 12 week scan had gone very well and she said, "Toilets - NOW"

We went to the loo together and I cried for a while about how jealous i was that the other person got a good 12 week scan and i got a dead foetus at mine. And how I felt like a rotten person to be having those thoughts. She was wonderful and it helped to know I had someone at work who i felt so comfortable with that i could cry in front of her and that she knew me so well that she could tell from my face when i needed to cry.

I really hope you have at least one person at work who will be there for you when you first go back. i cannot imagine how difficult it will be for you. ps. If anyone asks if you are TTC - tell 'em to feck off!!!

Just chatting with someone on another thread about my recently discovered under-active thyroid. Told her my levels and she said she'd be on the floor with levels like that and said I should feel so much better once on tabs. I think it's one of those things when it happens so gradually that you don't realise you feel crap. Also, I felt very tired with both early pregnancies this year and the tiredness (and sicky feeling) just seemed to continue.

i am gonna be like a little puppy when i get those tabs. look out Mr Hippy!!

the slanket will be tossed into the bin .I think you're right about the gradual effects of the thyroid,a bit like anaemia in the sense that it creeps up and you don't feel too bad, but don't remember ever feeling any different. When do you get the tablets? Did you say the dr.wants to repeat the bloods just in case?
Yes, no doubt will be waking every hr. to check the clock but deep down feel it's not my month so not feeling too wound up (ask me again at 4am . Have ordered some 10miu tests from ebay next week - not to be used until a week late....never again!
Hope everyone is ok and sorry for my rather self-obsessed posts today .