Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all, laughing. All welcome.

[VivClicquot]

So, I thought I'd take it upon myself to kickstart the new thread. As the title suggests, this is a wonderful home full of the bravest, funniest and most inspirational women on Mumsnet, who are always ready to lend an ear and a virtual glass of wine.

The new thread is kicked off with 3 bfps in 3 days, so here's to more love and luck along the way

xx

oh and salt in the wound - today is the day my baby would have been due if my 1st mc last august hadn't happened....

Oh fucking hell Cheepz, I'm so so sorry my love.

That's beyond shit - it never fails to surprise me just how cruel life can be. This is probably THE worst thing in the world to say, but I was keeping my fingers extra crossed for you hoping this one would work out, given everything you've been through.

Really hope you and DH are bearing up okay. You know where we are if you want to rant.

Sending you lots of love,
Viv xx

cheepz that's really bad, to find out at scan is extra awful, I had the same. My heart is with you and just wish all could be well. Take extra care, it's funny how a coffee feels comforting. I felt exactly the same as I'd cut caffeine out too. Lots of love xxx

Oh girls, such terrible news today!

Big hugs to those that need them, I'm really sorry to hear such sad news cheepz we've all been there and feel your pain. Bless you hunni, lots of TLC and coffee x

cheepz have left you a message on grads thread. Not quite the same day but my due date for my MMC last August was 2 days before I MC this time. It's just shit.

Hope you feel you can come back and join us when you are ready. xx

Cheepz so bloody sorry hun. Here when you need......((((())))) x

Oh no, such a sad thread today

Cheepz honey, I'm so sorry, my stomach turned when I read your post. Life is so cruel, I hope you and DH are OK, sending you lots of love. You know where we are if you need us.

Alba Sorry to hear your news too chicken, Here's hoping your DH is right and next month the sticky one will come along. Book the ski holiday! I know I would, something to look forward to.

((((hugs))))

Cheepz really really sorry to hear your news. SEnding you lots of hugs and good wishes xx

Oh Cheepz - can't believe it - so sorry, what crap news, those scans are heartbreaking - will be thinking of you - you're being so strong.

Alba - big hugs to you too - to go from such a high to such a low in a short space of time is hellish. book that ski holiday and enjoy beaucoup de vin chaud - glad you have your DH to help keep you positive.

As for me - RTD has stopped - after one wipe and thinking that was it last night, NOTHING overnight or at all today. have now used all my stash of tests so will just wait and see what happens and when it happens. no very confused as to whether I'm day 2 or day 36....

It's raining outside.

It's raining in here, too.

Cheepz, so very very sorry. It's totally shite.

Alba, totally gutted for you.

cheepz I'm so so sorry. You've been back here several times in the last few weeks with wonderfully timed words of support for me but there just aren't any words to make what you've been through today any better. Gutted for you. It's totally awful rotten luck and so so sad.

unbuffy and happygirl some incense and zen-like calm for you two and may your beans be very very sticky.

I'm off home to peruse ski holiday websites with big glass of Sauv Blanc. Cheers to all, will pass round the bottle to anyone wishing to join me.

Alba that's so sweet of you after all you have been through. I dunno I'm trying to be confident but these pains are worrying but I'm staying super confident and I like that stick beans.. I'm going to start talking to it to stick really well!

Alba I really hope you get through the weekend and rest lots and treat yourself lots.. you have been through lots.. and hope you get your hol booked too

Cheepz so so so sorry for you, I can't stop thinking about you ever since I read.. that's just so so so sad. Really really hope you are okay you poor thing. We are all here for you.

Thank you all for the kindness and support. jolls I know you especially can relate so well and its so nice to know there are people out there who understand exactly. viv and barren missed you

alba I know you are also suffering now so best to you and thank you for thinking of me.

i am just glad i went for another early scan (today was 10 weeks) rather than worrying and waiting til my 12 week scan and finding out then.

everyoneelse thanks

can someone please drop me off the grads list, best lob me on the WTTC

so glad for this thread, was before, am again now, its a safe place to let all the emotion hang out, and lets face it there are not many places like that.

bereft....

xxx

Happygirl Sorry to hear about your pains. I had all sorts of weird things too - when I urinated, but there was no infection, when I had a bowel movement (sorry if TMI)! and others besides. They all eventually settled - I hope yours does to.

cheepz Sorry to hear about your news and hope you are taking things easy.

I hope we all enjoy the weekend.

I watched One Born Every Minute last night against my better judgement!I Can cope with the content although I always cry, but it unsettles me if I watch it live and I can't sleep for thinking it should be me and what I would be doing now as my pregnancy developed. Anyway, DH away for the night so so what do I do- watch it at 9pm! I then discovered the other videos on the website and was busy till nearly 11pm and all stirred up! I then had to read for over an hour to tire myself out enough to sleep - I am such an idiot!

Whilst I am on a roll with a long post, can I ask your advice, please?

I have planned a spa day on 24 April for my friend and I for her b/day as I am sick of letting TTC rule my life! I will be on CD37 on this day so just about to test if no RTD as I have long cycles (37-39). Has anyone ever been to a spa before 12 weeks and just not done the hot things e.g. sauna (I understand it's the heat that's the issue and some products) and had a safe treatment e.g. a facial? I know that many people don't bother with a lot of the pre-12 weeks advice re cheese etc so wondered if this is another one of those things we avoid, but it's actually very rare for something to happen?. I would really like to do this, but obviously don't want to take any risks. Any thoughts appreciated....

Off to find a Creme egg now.....

Oh shit. Cheepz I am so very sorry. That's just utterly shit. Hope you are ok, as ok as can be iykwim.

Alba been thinking of you today and hope you are ok.

What a freaking pants day.

Westyorks, sorry can't help, only been pg the once which didn't reach 12 wks and no spas involved. General advice from me would be that if you think there is any chance of an issue then just don't do it. Just so no kicking of self if things go tits up later. Prob nothing you do (bar competing in Marathon belly flob championship) will make a difference but you just don't want any naggy doubts in your head, rational or irrational. Hope that makes sense and doesn't sound pious. Not meant to be.

Some sad posts to catch up on this evening. I really am so so sorry to read about Cheepz and Alba,I can't believe fate has been so cruel again. I'm actually feeling quite angry as well. Its so unfair that any of us are here but for this to happen to some more than once is a travesty. Where is the justice, we all deserve a break and some happiness. This is so shit.

Alba, so sorry your joy was short lived. Hope you are ok pal and get your holiday booked up, it will be good to get away. You are being very brave,hang on in there.

Cheepz I think I joined this thread just as you were graduating so I don't know your history. What has happened to you is our worst nightmare, that it will happen again. I had a MMC spotted at 12 week scan and the words of that sonographer will haunt me. You found the strength to try again before and I'm sure you will get there again. Thinking of you both tonight.

Happygirl - hope your pains settle down. I remember some alarming pains early on both times with DD and the little one we lost. I know you will worry anyway but my pregnancy with DD was trouble free despite those terrible pains in the first few weeks. Sure yours will settle down too.

Gilda I was nearly happpy to see arrival of RTD - except being sad all over again about not being pregnant, especially after my delusions of symptoms. I'm hopeful for next cycle - when I got pregnant in Oct last year it was after a similar ridiculously lengthed cycle.

Girls - on the RTD subject I am a little alarmed. Ok, its probably 3 cycle's worth I am expelling but I am in savage pain and having to change a super tampon every hour or so. I normally use regular ones and have fairly medium RTDs. First RTD after ERPC was short and light so unsure if I should worry or not. What do you think?

Big hugs, chocs, wines, anything that will help to those that need them x

Westyorks, sorry was focussing on the sauna aspect. If you tell the masseuse/aromatherapist you are ttc you should be fine so have a relaxing massage. Facial also should be fine. Some essential oils not advised for general use during preg, but as ttc and a one off should be no problem. IMHO.

WYG I would say mention it to the spa. All therapists are well trained regarding oils and treatments to avoid in early pregnancy. Most will offer prenatal treatments, specifically designed to be safe and yet still a lovely treat. Apart from avoiding the sauna and hot tubs, there will still be lots of things to do to be spoiled (depending on the spa you're going to). So I'm more in the "do it" camp! Obviously FX you will be pg, but in that you may not be, it seems a shame not to do the day? Lots of lolling about in a robe...? Yummy. Mind you IIRC viv is a bit of a spa aficianado (sp?), she may have other advice.

Weary wave to all. Have suffered today with a late boozy night last night, and a boisterous DS. Also it's been an emotional day with sad news... off to zzz.

On a lighter note since that previous post I am just getting round to catching up from the start of this thread and saw Mrs G's post about Facebook. So I'll come look for you and Allthe8s and Viv - I'm quite excited about putting faces to the made up names!

Westyorksgirl- don't know what help I can be but here goes... I had to go to a spa with work colleagues when I was 7 weeks preg. I manage the team and for various reasons really didn't want work to know or suspect I was pg. I did go in the sauna and hot tub, but for v short periods of time (ie not enough to feel overheated or sweaty). However, this was the pg that then was an mmc at 12 wks (babys hb stopped at 9.5) so I can't say 100% it was ok. Believe you me I went though every meal I had, everything I did that could have contributed or caused the mc. What I do know is that babies that are meant to be can survive earthquakes and all sorts of awfulness , so abit of spa action should be ok but it depends what risks you're comfortable with if you want to take no risks at all follow the advice of the spa and err on the side of caution. ( a day in a dressing gown sounds good enough for me!) hope this helps

ps RTD has come back - a fickle tide!

A miserable catch up

Cheepz, so sorry it's happened again, I can only imagine how that must feel and Alba sorry to hear your news too- definitely book that holiday. Thinking of you both.

Happygirl hoping your bean is sticky and the pains subside.

WestYorks can't offer spa advice but I am the same with One Born a Minute. I always cry and get myself into a state but still put myself through it every week although I do actually enjoy it...I watch it on 4od instead of live though, somehow being on the laptop instead of TV makes it easier. I have no idea why....

Hopefully there'll be some more positive news on here soon. Have a good weekend everyone.

moofold perhaps you're having a good clear out which sounds reasonable after such a long wait. Take plenty of vits and eat your spinach so you don't get depleted.

Morning ladies, he's a virtual cuppa and paper in bed being passed round. DS1 has chicken pox, though not too badly and is very happy about everything! As it's Saturday DH is chasing round after him!

clareanna damn, had my fingers crossed it would be a phantom type bleed and you were really pg!

Can someone help me update my stats? I'm back to the bottom on day 2 but it would appear I now have 31 day cycles.

My spotting this month was implantation hence pg symptoms so quickly. My additional cycle was just breakthrough bleeding which increased from spotting at day 10 and settled down just after. Would appear I have had a chemical pg looking at what I am expelling (dark with little clots) though perhaps as this has happened naturally it will sort out the imbalance causing me to spot / bleed for 17 days of each cycle. Off to cranial osteopath this am for her to work on pituatory gland to help get me back to normal.

As DH put it (he's a mechanic) at least you're regular again, but would appear to have a slight mis-fire which needs tuning! I think he's right and am amazed an egg managed to be fertilised amongst all that bleeding. Lol

Ps this now puts me on cycle 2 not 3. Would copy myself but on iPhone and can't work it out, so pretty please (flutters eyelashes) to the next kind soul who can copy and paste

Sorry to hear that bunnybaby- glad you are managing to be positive- it's so sad when that happens. what highs and lows we're having on this thread.

The dreaded pox! My ds has managed to avoid it so far, so haven't had the pleasure- enjoy the lie in!