The WIMBEWAI(N)F Club

[Bucky2008]

OK, so how about we start of on a positive....

I bought the test.

I did the test.

BFP .

Job done.

MOB that's great that you are having symptoms already. Sore boobs and nausea normal but heartburn so early is really unfortunate! I had that when pg with my daughter and by 14 weeks I could barely eat without chugging Gaviscon and developed a serious ice cube addiction... It's so going to be worth it in the end, though.

No news to report from me, so I will jog on, but I hope you are all ok and not too cold!

afternoon ladies

MOB so glad to hear you're having symptoms, though also sorry to hear you're suffering IYKWIM. Though after trying for so long I bet you're glad for it to be feeling real

MrsH Apparently doctors look for prog to be 30+ (to indicate high enough levels to support a pregnancy), though there's plenty of stuff on MN/google to show that levels in the 20s are fine, though I don't think a rate as low as 10 would indicate ov (it's confusing as the UK, US and Aus all use different measurements). What time is your scan on Thursday?

PnM hi lady, what day is your scan again?

Ei hello hope things are good with you?

So I just spoke to my DH and he can't get his SA results over the phone as the "results report is too long" so he has to see the doctor. I instantly thought this was dodgy - surely bad news is only delivered in person? - though he's sure it's only because the receptionist can't understand the results. Officially the earliest appointment he can get is Thursday next week though he's going to try and get one earlier by phoning every morning for a cancellation (the receptionist told him he should be able to get something on Thurs/Fri am this week by phoning). Since my fertile time is coming up this weekend we'll just have to bd as normal and hope things are OK with his swimmers .

How annoying Caitni. Hopefully your DH can get an appt this week. He can always ask for a copy of his results that he can just go in and pick up (it his his information, he is entitled to it)- I'm sure we all know enough between us to interpret them That's what my DH did (you may remember) - he was just told his results were "low" and to go back in 3 months. He insisted on getting a copy and when i saw them i realised that they were not just low they were "no hope of ever getting pregnant naturally low". Not that i'm suggesting that there will be any problem with your DH's, it's just i know how awful the waiting is.

Hope everyone else is ok today? PnM if i don't get a chance to get on before - hope the scan goes well tomorrow.

Hello everyone,

bucky I'm so sorry that you have decided to leave but understand completely why you feel you have to go. It is such a horrible, horrible thing to happen . Take care of yourself and your DP

PnM Good luck for your scan tomorrow. Make sure you take it easy afterwards. I prescribe an afternoon on the sofa with some soppy films and plenty of chocolate.

Caitni If your DH can't get an appointment then you should get a copy, otherwise you'll be worrying all weekend. Fingers crossed all is well.

ei and mrsH I'm sorry you didn't get better news this month but at least you both have a lovely supportive cycle buddy this month.

MOB It must be fantastic to be feeling so pregnant already. My boobs were dreadfully sore almost straightaway too! Early nausea could mean twins of course .

All is well here, getting a bit uncomfortable though! Not long to go now...

Curse those alternative measurements Caitni. I'm sure they could have some sort of universal methods for those of us who get our medical advice from Dr Google! I reckon your husband is right about why they can't give his results over the phone.
My DH's results were total gobbledigook and so they do need some interpreting. Maybe he can get a cancellation and get them sooner?

Lots of luck for tomorrow Picknmix. I think the thought of an internal scan is way worse than the reality and it'll be over before you know it.

Jollybear it's so exciting that we're going to be cyber aunties again soon. I prescribe sofa for you too. It's the best thing for the discomfort. Can you balance your dinner on your bump yet??

I hope those symotoms are carrying on MOB. I reckon JB is right and such nice strong symptoms could mean TWO chicks. Yay!

I feel very strange today and it is making me worried about the test on Thurs. I am at 8 dpo and having bloody EWCM. My period had stopped but yesterday I had a big gush of blood (sorry TMI) and today I am cramping. And I feel sick, especially when my DH eats stinky cheese. It's odd, I tell you. They are sort of pg symptoms when I have not even ovulated. Maybe I can put it down to stress or something... Well at least if I have some sort of infection the giant antibiotic supository (sp?) I have to take before the HSG will sort it out! (That's assuming the chemist manages to order it in in time...)

Hiya everyone,

Firstly, just in case you pop in one last time I just wanted to say to Bucky thank you so much for your cyber friendship and support over the past year or so. I'm so incredibly sad for you and your dp and also that you're leaving the thread. I will def drop you an email, take care x

Congrats on good results Caitni, how very annoying about your dh's sa results though. I've read that anything over 20 in your prog test is good... Your dh can def get a print out of his result but it depends whether you can wait until the actual appt with a dr to explain them properly rather than try and read them yourself I guess.

I'm baffled by your symptoms MrsH, do you think it might be worth doing another hpt before your scan on thurs, just to make doubly sure? If you say they're similar to preg symptoms might be worth it to put your mind at rest. I've been given two different types of anti-b's to take before my hsg, have to start one set a week before then start the other on the day of the scan. All very confusing!

Yay for the symptoms Mob! Must feel very reassuring that the bean[s] is/are making it/themselves known

JB I second MrsH, get yourself on that sofa and put your feet up. Hope jollycub is behaving and the hiccups have stopped now?

Helloooo Ei, are you ok?

Hi to Mibbes, terribly close for you now, how are you feeling??

Hi to anyone not mentioned by name

Thank you for remembering about my scan tomorrow. I've had one before when I had my miscarriage and I'm a little to admit I laughed when I saw the probe thing and the fact that they had to put a condom on it! The poor sonographer must've thought both me & dh were really crude but it was the first time we'd laughed in days, nervous laughter I guess! Is it stupid to admit to being a complete fantasist and thinking there's a teeny tiny chance they may say "oooo Mrs PnM, did you know you're pregnant?".... Yes, I know its totally stupid really but I can dream can't I?!

Evening all

MrsH at the universal measurements! If only . Very strange about how you're feeling though. I get loads of EWCM early on, about a week before I ov, so it could just be that, but the sickness and strange period are odd. You should definitely mention them to the doctor doing the HSG. Also at the antibiotic suppository! The things I learn on here...

PnM good luck tomorrow - hope it goes well xx

JB So exciting that we're going to be cyber aunties again so soon! I hope you're taking plenty of time to relax and take care of yourself. I reckon Dr Happy is right about the sofa prescription

MOB thanks for the tip about picking up his results - I remember your DH doing that but just totally didn't twig my DH could do it . Considering I was told on the phone that my results were "no action needed" before I asked for the actual results maybe my DH is right . He's decided to work from home on Friday and try and get an appointment, and if no luck then just go in and pick them up. Either way I'll be seeking expertise in understanding his results on here .

Just saw an add for an upcoming programme on BBC4 called "Growing Babies" about life in the womb. Looks fascinating!!

Hi PnM just x posts with you .

MrsH I actually second PnMs sensible suggestion of another hpt - would help put your mind at ease.

And I just never knew that HSGs involved antibiotics...not sure why I'm so surprised but I am!

hi ladies
PnM good luck for your scan tomorrow
MOB yay for some fabulously strong symptomsnot long until your scan now so we can all find out whether there is a litter in there or what
mrsH i say test after your strange bleed! if it is bfn speak to the hsg people about it when you go
caitni how are you?
JB and mibbes our resident heavily preggos how are the bumps treating you?? how close are you now JB? i know mibbes is nearly ready to pop
hello to everyone else
xx ei xx

Hi all

Well I did another HPT and it was neg as expected and my temps are nice and low, so no probs there. I am not sure how much it is worth speaking to the HSG people - they are radiographers and likely to be a bit clueless about that sort of thing...

PnM good luck for today. Your post made me LOL as I remembered my DH's face when he first saw the probe (which he then referred to as the scanning dildo...). It sounds like your lot are being careful about the antibs. I had to have some swabs for bugs. Yick. But at least they are cautious.

Right, will be back later, must run to work!

Glad you've done another test MrsH, never nice to get a bfn but one less thing to worry about on thursday.

Nice to see you Ei, meant to ask before, how is your new job going?

I've had the scan, came up as inconclusive which is no surprise as thats what my blood tests have shown. But that in itself is fairly annoying, just wish I could know one way or the other! Have to say, big thumbs up for the ultrasound unit at my hospital, most professional. The woman who scanned me was the same lady who scanned me for my miscarriage (they must have had a major reshuffle when they closed the epau down) so faith in the nhs has been restored!

Morning ladies

PnM how frustrating that it's inconclusive. I was hoping that you'd get a more definite answer than that. But glad to hear that your experience of it was positive - the NHS can be great when things work well!

MrsH lol at the scanning dildo!! At least the HPT confirms what your temps were telling you.

Ei I think we're nearly on the same cycle days aren't we? I'm on CD 8 now, so gearing up for the bd bonanza this weekend .

hello to everyone else

hi ladies
PnM sorry you didnt get any more answers from your scan but im glad you had a positive experience anyway my job is going great they have put me forward for a business admin C&G apprenticeship and nvq course which i started yesterday
caitni im on CD7 i think so ye we are pretty much cycle buddies i feel like im in good company
mrsH sorry about the BFN but at least the strange bleeding isnt for the same reasons as last time so i am for the bfn but for the no prob part of iyswim good luck for tomorrow
hello to everyone else
xx ei xx

Ei congrats on the job front!! That's great news and I'm very happy for you . Also glad to have such good company as you and MrsH in this cycle .

Hi all

PnM that's frustrating about the scan, but I guess if they can't see anything on there that probably goes a long way to ruling some things out IYSWIM.

Ei that's brilliant news that your job is going so well. Yay!

Are you well Caitni? Resting up in advance of your tiring weekend?? If I go the same way as last month I will ov on Monday too so hopefully we will be doing the 2WW together again.

Hope you and the bean(s) are feeling well today MOB.

I think I have figured out what is going on with my cycle... I have started ovulating earlier and so am getting EWCM even though it is only CD9 today, and I reckon the CM might be bringing blood with it that otherwise would stay put! That's my theory and I am sticking to it

I am getting v nervous about tomorrow. The internet is full of women claiming to have fainted from the pain of the HSG. Fortunately there are a couple of threads on here with people saying it is not fun but that it does not hurt. Thank goodness for MN - not generally given to hysterics!

Will report back tomorrow if I am not too horrified by it all...

Wow Ei thats fab about your job, well done!

MrsH you know better than all of us that google can sometimes be the route of all evil (can obviously sometimes be quite useful!). I will be thinking of you tomorrow, I will keep my fingers crossed that you'll be in and out again before you know it . Your cm theory sounds entirely plausible, deffo stick with that!

Check out all you cycle buddies, I feel a bit behind with my 35 day cycle (and still counting!)

MrsH I'm with PnM - step away from the google! Seriously though, I hope it's not too awful (but if it is, then please take the time off work!). We'll be here, cyber holding your hand . I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the dye shows your tube is nice and healthy . And earlier ovulation is definitely a Good Thing, as just think of it as your body giving itself more chances to get you the sticky little bean you deserve

PnM I wish you could be a cycle buddy too!

Mibbes I hope you're doing OK, as not long now til your little bubba makes his/her appearance!

Night night to everyone else
xx

PnM How frustrating to have an "inconclusive" scan. Though, as others have said, it means that there's nothing obvious which is causing a problem. What's the next step now? Is it back to the Gp?

EI Glad to hear things are good on the job front Now you have been put forward for training you are bound to get pg!!

MrsH Thinking of you today, and will be doing virtual hand holding through the procedure. I hope it is not too bad, do take it easy after. Hopefully it will flush out your tube, and that egg that is on it's way will glide through effortlessly in a few days. Take care. XX

Caitni Hope you are making all the necessary preparations for an "active" weekend

Not much to report here, apart from quite a bit of nausea this morning! Time seems to be going so slowly at the moment, as i am just longing to have the scan. I will be 6 weeks tomorrow, and DH (who has been reading a pregnancy book already) informs me that it / they now look like a seahorse

Just a quick one to let you know that I am back from the HSG and it was not nearly as bad as people make out.
It was a bit uncomfortable when it took two attempts to get the catheter in a position that worked and then he left the speculum in which was not so much fun.
But the dye flowed very quickly through my one tube showing that it is perfectly clear ("100%" apparently).
I've just seen that my notes refer to a "small fibrous band" in my uterus but I refuse to worry about that unless someone tells me I need to!
Now I am having some medium cramps and a fair bit of spotting, but by tomorrow I expect to be totally normal again.
Today is when my first ectopic would have been due so I am very glad to have some positive news.
Hope you are all having a good day. Will be back this evening.

MrsH yay! at your 100% clear tube!! I'm v happy for you . I'm sure today's been a hard day anyway, thinking what might have been, so it's good that your mind is now at ease about your remaining tube.

MOB nearly 6 weeks already!! I'm so glad that your DH is keeping you updated about how little beany is developing. I think it's such a good way for him to be involved

And to everyone else. Hope everyone's well. I woke up full of cold this morning and have a packed weekend ahead of me, including staying up in Oxford on Sat night. And already I'm pining for a lazy weekend under the duvet! Time to bring on the lemsip me thinks...

MrsH Glad to hear you are back in one piece, and that it wasn't too painful. Also very pleased to hear that the tube is in good working order. Excellent news Put your feet up and relax this evening, especially as it is a difficult date for you. Thinking of you. XXX

Caitni Sorry to hear you are feeling poorly as well. Hope you are able to put your feet up too. Get that lemsip out and make DH wait on you!

Hope everyone else is ok.

Mibbes thinking of you especially - not long to go now, i'm so excited for you

Very late so quick post to say how pleased I am that your hsg wasn't quite the ordeal google had led you to believe. Even more pleased to hear that your tube is in fab working order!! Hope you managed to have a relaxed evening on such s bitter sweet day, take care xx

Awwww Mob, I'm so pleased (still) that you are able to share this with your dh, he sounds so involved, can't believe you're nearly 6 weeks already

Hope the Lemsip does the trick Caitni, take it easy

Hi to all not mentioned by name!!

xx

Bucky so sorry you have left us hun, please pop back once in a while and let us know how you are - sending you big cyber hugs.

MrsH am so glad you had good news about super-shiny tube . It must be very difficult for you with EDD around now, I think we got BFP on the same day - my thoughts are with you hun xx

MOB 6 weeks ! It is lovely that your DH is being so involved , my DP has barely read a ting and I'm due in a week !

Going for pre-baby cut and colour today so hopefully come back all prep'd to be a yummy mummy

Hi ladies

Just a quick message from me - just in from a Leonard Cohen concert. Totally amazing!

Anyway, not great news on my DH's SA - his results show oligospermia (low sperm count). He didn't get a copy of his results - they're being posted by the GP on Monday - but this is what he jotted down:
volume 3.2 ml
sperm count 13m/ml
67% motility
rapid progression 25%
84% abnormal morph

MOB what do you think of these? It's definitely not great, but he needs to do another SA before it's official (and I think he should book 15 mins/half an hour with a consultant when he gets the next results back so we've got an expert view, as our GP admits he's a bit clueless about this).

I suspected the results would be like this, since they insisted on him seeing the GP, but he was quite upset . I've reassured him that I would never blame him for us not conceiving yet - god knows, I could still turn out to have wonky tubes - so he hopefully won't stay upset too long.

He had testicular cancer - one testicle removed and some chemo - and one explanation is that his "better" testicle had the tumour, leaving him with less sperm production ability. Apparently, low sperm count is common in post-testicular cancer men for that reason (can you tell he spent some time with Dr Google this afternoon ). As I said to him, I'd much rather have him healthy but with a low sperm count than dead from lung or brain cancer (the most common secondary cancers with untreated testicular cancer ). We'll definitely keep trying naturally (now only bd-ing every two to three days), but I must say my expectations of a natural BFP are much lower now, and we're going to definitely investigate the assisted conception route in the new year...if we get a natural BFP then that's great but we're going to give mother nature a helping hand in any way we can!

Sorry for the me, me, me-ness of this ramble!

Mibbes hope you're all "just stepped out of the salon" ready to meet your baby .

And to everyone else.
xx

Oh Caitni hope you and your DH are ok. I just had to answer asap and reassure you that, although not perfect, these results are not awful by any means. Infact considering what he has been through, i should think they are better than what may be expected. Tell him his one testicle must be a real hive of activity - that may cheer him up!

I'm sure Dr Google has informed you of what a "normal" sperm test should be. But just in case...
-Vol 3.2ml This is normal (looking for 2 - 5 ml)
-count 13million / ml. yes this is low. Guidelines look for 20 million and above. BUT they also look for a min. of 40 million per ejaculate, and if i've worked it out correctly, he has 41.6 million per ejaculate, so that testicle is working pretty well! So it is low, but not drastically low (e.g my DH had 0.7 million per ml)
-67% motility. Difficult to tell exactly on this one - guidelines state 50% forward progression, but even if some of the 67% are going the wrong way, this still looks pretty good!! (and the 25% rapid is the really good swimmers)

• 84% abnormal. This looks bad, but it's not that bad. Most sperm are abnormal. I'm not sure of the current WHO guidelines for this, in some places it says 15% normal (so that would be fine) in others it says 30%. I think our consultant worked on the 15%.

Do beware of googling too much, though, as the guidelines do seem to vary out there, but as far as i am aware (and from what i remember from our initial consultation) these are the correct WHO levels.

So, yes, it does reduce your chances of a natural BFP, but it definitely could still happen. Every 2 - 3 days sounds like a good plan, to allow the count to build up to it's maximum each time. It sounds a good idea to explore the assisted conception route as well. You may feel better if you are out there making progress with that option as well, whilst at the same time still trying naturally. You did get a BFP a while back, remember, and though sadly it wasn't a sticky one, it shows it can happen. Assisted conception or natural - i'm sure you will get your longed for baby. I think what you do now will perhaps largely be down to you both as people - whether you are happy to sit back for a bit and hope that it happens the natural way, or whether you'd rather be more pro-active and getting on with assisted conception. Look after each other this weekend, take time to talk and come to terms with it. Big hugs to you both. XX

MrsH Hope you are ok and that you didn't have any pain yesterday.

Mibbes Bet you are looking gorgeous

Hope everyone else is ok & has a lovely weekend.