The Hut of Gl/Doom Part VI - And Yes, We've Tried Fecking Relaxing!

[OracleInaCoracle]

new home. I liked the decor in the old one, nless someone wants to redecorate!

[Wheelybug]

Where are you Triggles - surely you can get everything other than IVF on NHS even with 1 child ? I know I won't get IVF (in all its forms) paid for but I'd get clomid.

Some good news (if a little ). I had a call back from the hospital offering me a cancellation - its the appointment which they originally sent me (which they had supposedly cancelled, rebooked and I missed ). Not sure what to think tbh but at least alls well that ends well.

SM - Not sure which is more reliable, pain or EWCM. I know I conceived my second pregnancy about 12 hours after having severe OV pain (I know thats a bit too detailed and a bit TMI but I was doubled over in pain in the car driving to a wedding ... and you can guess the rest and we weren't really trying so it was a bit of a ..er.. one off).
TBH though since then when one was innocent of the trials of TTC I find any analysis of anything TTC-related is:

a) unavoidable
b) sent to try us
c) probably pointless (but see a)

[Triggles]

In Devon. I was told by GP that as DH & I already have a child, we get no help from NHS at all. Private only.

Glad you got your original appointment back. What a bunch of nonsense they put you through!

Oh, for the good old days when we were teens, and our parents told us horror stories about how easily we could get pregnant. They lied dammit!

[Triggles]

Wheely - we're moving to the Gloucester area soon. I wonder if their policy is different. Maybe I'll actually get some NHS assistance there? I'm not sure where to find the info. Am browsing the NHS site.

[Wheelybug]

I am really shocked to hear that Triggles - just goes to show the postcode lottery. AFAIK its quite unusual - I think its the norm that IVF isn't offered. I would think Gloucestershire may be different.

I think if you look for Gloucestershire PCT (or you may have to look at the hospital PCT) - this sometimes has the policy on it. My local one doesn't though although not sure if that because it comes under London as a big all encompassing balloon.

[Triggles]

I looked and can't find the policy on it. But I'll be making an appointment immediately after we move to register with GP and speak to them regarding getting some help with it. I'm older (42), so I imagine that limits what they will assist with anyway. But even a little help would be nice. We've gotten pregnant twice in the last year, but m/c'd both times. Since DS is 20 months old, and I had him when 40, I can't imagine the eggs are THAT bad, right? [hopeful smiley face]

[Triggles]

Ah, just found it. Am screwed again. No assistance if over 40 for any reason. sigh Well, guess we just keep trying. I'll still ask, just in case a sympathetic GP will prescribe me Clomid. There's always a chance, I suppose.

[Wheelybug]

That's crap Triggles. Fingers crossed you don't need it anyway.

[Triggles]

Thanks. God, I need a drink. Crap day anyway, as I said before. I'm pretty sure I'm not pregnant at this point, so am thinking of just having a Taboo/lemonade and putting feet up. I think we have some chocolate in the house as well.

[Wheelybug]

oh go for it Triggles - even if you were one wouldn't matter. I'm on 2ww and having a glass of wine (or might not finish it only because I have cold/flu and can't taste it so there doesn't seem much point).

[herbaceous]

I'm not sure I can take any more NHS buggering about.

The last three years, with the four MCs, has been filled with incompetence, cruelty, ineptitude, and me pushing for appointments, answers, interest, anything.

In Feb I finally screwed up courage to go and see GP about why I hadn't been pregnant for a year (conceived previously within a few months). He said I could have lap and dye, but first I'd have to have hormone levels and semen (DP's, obviously!) tested. Have done so, all fine. So, I thought it would be semi-automatic to get lap and dye referral. Oh no. I've got to make an appointment, for him to refer me, to start yet another load of waiting. And the first appointment is 24 april!!!! For Fuck's Sake. I'm 42. I haven't got time to be arsing about.

Also, I've had a lump in my breast for a few years. had it tested before - harmless. But it's got more painful recently, so had it checked out. Appointment in middle of day (therefore day off work) to see man for 10 minutes to answer questions I'd already told GP. Appointment 2 weeks later for mamogram and ultrasound. Vile woman pokes needle into tit. It's agony. Through my tears I say 'is it over soon? It really hurts'. to which she said 'I'm not here for the good of my health. I'd rather be at home too.' Cheers. Results yesterday - inconclusive. The charming doctor said, as soon as I walked into the room, 'well, I'm not saying it's cancer, but we need to do more tests'. Another biopsy, with that horrible bitch. GREAT.

Why Can't Just One Thing Go Right.

[Triggles]

Aw, herb. Sorry you've also had a crap day. Take a deep breath and down the drink. That's what I did.

I'm 42 as well, and I can't imagine I'm going to be getting any help from the NHS in time to be effective. Or indeed if I will get any help at all.

Can you request someone else do the biopsy, so you don't end up with that horrible woman again?:

[downbutnotout]

hello all (and thanks for the boobs tip, poppy)



How did it come to this, eh?

[poppy75]

Hi guys - have hospital appointment on Thursday, to get HSG results (was clear). Does anyone know what the next step will be?

All tests are ok, but slight LD I think, vit B6 seems to be helping this but I am not sure if I should tell Dr as am wondering if I could do with something like clomid to kick start things (ttc since July 2006 mc).

What do think? Don't really want to go down the 'continue to relax and see what happens'. I sometimes think it is worth going into these things with plans .

anyone else been here?

[downbutnotout]

No direct experience in that area but I think go for it, poppy. I will be back at doctors angling for help and poss also clomid if no bfp this month.

[Wheelybug]

CD1

So, no 2008 baby, DD will be at least 4 and I now have to embark on being prodded and poked

[Wheelybug]

Sorry for the 'me' post.

Poppy - definitely worth asking about clomid. A lot of people seem to get put on it when there is no obvious reason for not conceiving and it seems to work in many cases. It clearly has powers beyond just making people ovulate. I am kind of hoping that i will be on it in not too long - otherwise, what treatment is there, other than going for IVF which is obviously preferable to avoid. I'll be pretty pissed off if I go for tests, they find nothing and then they say 'give it more time'. You will hear me scream wherever you are in the country/world.

Good luck - let us know how you get on.

[poppy75]

Thanks Wheeleybug I don't think they will say to you to give it more time as by the time they start tests etc. they have acknowledged that time hasn't worked. I work in the NHS so try to go to appointments with questions and ideas. I think it unnerves them abit and they seem to listen and try. So when you have your next appointment just make it clear that you are not prepared to just wait. My sister had 2 MC's between her children and has a 4.5year gap. I has worked out really well and they get on fab as older girl helps loads with baby and is not at all jealous. It also meant that she was starting school so there is 1:1 time with new baby. So fingers crossed if it happens soon it will be perfect age gap

Downbutnotout - will let you know how it goes, might need a big martini if nothing happens!

Herby - good luck with everything, big hugs to you, you should definately speak to someone about the way they treated you, there is no excuse in that situation!

[sarah76]

Just would like to add to poppy75's suggestion about vitamin B6 stopping sore boobs! When I've ovulated, I usually get painfully sensitive nipples from about 2dpo until AF. This month I started taking B6 to lengthen my luteal phase, and it worked! LP11 to LP13, hoping it works next month too. As an added unexpected bonus, my boobs weren't sore at all! I thought I was PG because I felt so different. Oh well.

[herbaceous]

I haven't got sore boobs this month either. Or the usual twinges below. But I'm not taking vitamin b. God only knows.

[poppy75]

Hello - had consultant appointment She confirmed that all tests were ok and HSG normal. Discussed the late ovulation (cd17) and possible short LP. So she suggested that I go on clomid for four months!

I only went to GP's for referral to clinic in Jan so am really impressed with the speed of things. Although ttc for 2 years before.

I didn't mention B6, just as well as AF arrived today (cd 26) with a short LP again!!!

Sarah76 I'm not sure what the B6 does with the (.)(.) but was really relieved to rid myself of the soreness.

Does anyone have any experience with clomid??? Any friends which it has worked with?

[downbutnotout]

Have just remembered poppy that an acquaintance of mine (from my post-natal group - our paths don't cross very often any more) had dc2 as a result of going on clomid - dc1 was from IVF, so she was thrilled.

Fingers crossed!

[Wheelybug]

Good news Poppy - I have v. good friends who kept their ttc v. quiet whilst their friends popped out babies left right and centre. I have only recently found out that they were struggling to ttc, then they got pg (I knew this bit) and had to terminate due to 'incompatibility with life' and then have gone on to have their dd who is 1 next month. They only managed to get pregnant both times after high doses of clomid (and their was no known cause for non-conception). And then she was sooo kind after my m/c. They are truly inspirational as a couple in the ttc department.

[poppy75]

Thanks Wheelybug & downbutnotout. You are right there are some lovely people who have gone through all this ttc and are so sympathetic. Good to know that clomid can work when natural method fails!

I have become quite close with a colleague at work who has 2 children, both after clomid. She is so sweet and always asks how I am doing and gives advice. I do think this ttc makes you so much more sensitive to other peoples problems.

I was rubbish before I had my mc and ftc, I had no idea what so many people go through .

My BF is lovely but conceived on month 2. She is already planning no.2 around work and mat leave. I try and tell her that things don't always work to plan but she hasn't even entertained the fact that she might not get BFP in 3 months of trying. I don't push the point, ftc really does change your outlook on things. There is one positive I suppose!

I'm off on hols next week so it will be good timing with cycle so fingers crossed guys!!!

[duchesse]

Triggles- we're in Devon too and to describe our GPs as laid back about our difficulties is understating it! It's like the 1950s here- they probably think we should be knitting for our grandchildren by this age (40 in my case...)

[shreksmissus]

Message withdrawn