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*****PCOS - Anybody in the same boat?******

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fruitloop79 · 04/02/2008 14:58

I don't know if there are any threads already started but I've just officially found out I've got PCOS this morning - I've always known deep down. Please tell me it's not all bad I'm feeling very sorry for myself.
We've been TTC for 6 months - only 3 cycles. I supposedly ovulated on CD36 (now CD43) this cycle. Gynae reckons not preg cos uterus lining would've thickened. (Had a scan this morning)

Any hints/tips on treatment/TTC?
How to deal with symptoms?

How did Posh spice and Jools Oliver manage to fall preg?

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Hi - this thread is a little out of date. We've got some more information on PCOS here. MNHQ

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/03/2008 19:40

Fruitloop hun, it is possible to have periods without ovulating. I had long cycles like this and ovulation did not happen. I am of course not you and all women are different but you are potentially setting yourself up for a big disappointment here.

Ovulation is not an exact science and women certainly do not always ovulate 14 days before their next period. That's an average and a pretty poor one at that.

PCOS is playing you a merry dance here. I would therefore not assume ovulation has happened just because a temp chart has indicated this. Quiet hope is understandable but caution is advised here.

I would also advise you to stop charting if this chart turns out to be inaccurate. Your chart is a typical PCOS chart showing many peaks and troughs.

Do start the tablets on the 22nd if there is a negative result.

As said before I sincerely hope you will not be disappointed.

Good luck to you

Attila x

DungunGirl · 07/03/2008 08:37

Fruitloop!!!!!

I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you I really am!

However, on a more realistic note..I am afraid to say it but your chart does have the shape of an anovulatory cycle.
I am so sorry to say this and I don't want to put a damper on your excitement.

Have you got the book TAKING CHARGE OF YOUR FERTILITY by Toni Weschler?

It is a wonderful guide especially for temp charters. I do BBT charts as well and have done for the last year.

She gives examples of all different types of cycle graphs...ones that show a clear ovulation, ones that show short luteal phases, ones that show miscarriage...

It is an excellenet resource. You can get it on amazon.

I am keeping my toes crossed for you fruitloop but I do have to agree with Atilla on this one. PLUS...I have been where you are many times before and getting your hopes up to early on just means you are more devastated when AF turns up.

Good luck sweety!

fruitloop79 · 07/03/2008 13:21

thanks guys
I wont be devastated when AF turns up. In fact I'll be quite happy cos it means something is happening (whether I'm ovulating or not). I'm realistic enough to know I wont be pg this cycle. It was just quite nice feeling normal yesterday and having that excitement of seeing that ovulation on FF (at least for one day) was a lovely feeling. Maybe I didnt ov, this morning it looks as though that's the truth but who knows. I've been pg before and have a gorgeous son to prove it so I know it will happen. I've always had mega huge cycles and fell pg on a mega huge cycle so there's no reason to believe I wont manage it. I'm gonna be positive, I know it will happen, it has to. After all, I've got another 3 or 4 kids to conceive! and maybe more as we're going to have a big family
P.s. I've got that book (the bible! haha)

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cookiemonstress · 07/03/2008 14:13

Hi
Haven't been able to read all the posts but thought I'd quickly share the following. Have PCOS, not all symptoms but enough to be v pcos-y. Always had highly irregular cycles, months apart. After ttc, spoke to doctor who referred me to fertility unit. Tried clomid, didn't work for me as had major reaction to it (double vision), then had ovarian diathermy and then went on waiting list for IVF.

Whilst on waiting list, pondered doing something that gave me sense of control and opted for accupuncture. Now I am not making any claims but the facts for me were that within 3 months I went from an entirely erratic cycle to a regular 32 day cycle. PMS symptoms all but disappeared (esp water retention). WIthin 10 months conceived dd1 and conceived dd2 within 4 months of trying. Cycles still regular to date. Previous to accupuncture, i had had 14+ yrs of irregular cycles.
I don't know where you are based but I visited someone called Daniel Elliot www.londonacupuncture.co.uk.
I have friends who have same condition who have also had positive response with accupuncture.
Good luck and best wishes..

fruitloop79 · 07/03/2008 19:14

thats amazing cookiemonstress unfortunately I dont think we could afford accupuncture, much as I'd love to give it a go.

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JayneF · 07/03/2008 20:04

I was treated for PCOS for twenty years. When I wanted to start a family I was "old" anyway but started on the usual fertility tests and examinations etc.

Whilst waiting for an appointment for an investigative op, we decided not to bother trying as such and just got on with life until the date for the op came through. THat was a big help as previously I was wishing my life away in cycles.

We conceived naturally, within twelve months and never had to ghave operation. Second child was concieved to our amazement eight months after the bith of the first and is currently three days overdue.

Tip to retain sanity:...stay positive and relax, avoid duty sex (if you know what I mean) and know that there are loads and loads of girls out there who have been right there, exactly where you are now.

Good luck.

fruitloop79 · 08/03/2008 08:47

Wow, JayneF what an inspiring story!

How's everyone today?

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fruitloop79 · 08/03/2008 08:48

oh yeah, do you all realise we made the front page on MN?

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Tigerschick · 08/03/2008 09:08

Hi all

Wow! I've never been on one of the 'hot threads' before! Well, not one as exclusive as this

Hope everyone is OK today. DH and I had a chat last night about what we want to do in the long term. We have ruled out IUI and IVF so if it gets to the stage where one of those is offered then we are going to stop and go bach to ttc naturally. I've just got a long wait until Monday when my specialist is ringing to let me know the results of her meeting with the consultant ... We'll see.

Moonlit · 08/03/2008 09:55

Morning ladies.

Welcome to the newbies on this 'hot' thread . I would love to try acupuncture to, but I agree with Fruitloop it's a bit expensive.

I think JayneF is right, we let TTC take over our lives, so much so that it becomes an obsession. My PCOS and TTC obsession is starting to take its toll too. I think I to need to relax, and let nature take it's course. But then again I have PCOS.......and it's obvious I need to help to get pregnant this time around. It's so frustrating. Anyway enough of the PCOS self pity.

Hey Tigerschick - really no IVF or IUI??? I definitely want to try IUI and if that doesn't work then have ago at IVF. Only thing is I am petrified of needles . That might be a toughie! Definitely let us know what the specialist says. Good luck xxx

Fruitloop - you still hanging in there? Hey listen you know your cycle better than anyone. If you got pregnant on a long cycle before, then you can get pregnant on another long cycle. Don't give up hun. xx

fruitloop79 · 08/03/2008 11:00

Thanks moonlit I like a bit of encouragement! I'm not giving up! I will never admit defeat! hahaha, like I said, how can I give up when we are going to have a big family!

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mumblemum · 09/03/2008 22:01

Hi, I'm coming in to this late & haven't read the whole thread, but thought I'd just add my experience.

I have PCOS & had been on & off dianette for a few years before TTC. In the off times (stops working for me after about 6 months & my normal horrific periods reassert themselves), I did natural family planning, which is kind of a rational scientific version of the rhythm method, charting temps but also mucus & cervical position. I realised I was only ovulating every other month, plus my cycle got really erratic, particularly when I was stressed.

Anyway, 18 months or so ago, dianette stopped working again and dp & I figured we'd try nothing & see what happened for a couple of years, by which time we'd have lots of charts showing my mayhem cycle & could go through worst case IVF etc but still not be totally ancient. 3 months later, I was up the duff, and now have beautiful 7 month old.

There was one thing that did seem to change my cycle & make it more regular, it's weird, and I'm totally not superstitious, but it was leaving my curtains open to let the full moon in just at full moon, or sleeping with a nightlight on if it was cloudy. Whenever I remembered, my cycle was a neat 28 days, and the month I got pregnant our bedroom curtain rod collapsed & we couldn't be arsed to put it back up!

I read something about it, a book called 'The Wise Wound', a bit old-school periods are great (not mine!) stuff, but had an interesting bit about research into sea birds and how the base brain that controls basic functions like reproduction is the really old bit of brains that even birds have, and kind of works like an eye and responds to direct light on it. There was something about an experiment painting black dots on cormorants' heads, that made them forget to mate, or migrate or something. Anyway, worth a go, but mostly relax and enjoy the sex , once you've got a bub it'll become a distant memory!

DungunGirl · 10/03/2008 08:58

Hi guys!

Hope you all had a great weekend.

Fruitloop - you positive attitude is wonderful. I really need some of that right now. I think I freaked out my sister yesterday by getting of tearful when I was telling her about my fear of trying so hard to lose weight to be told on the 19th to go away and lose more before they will treat me!

Anyway, I am having a weird cycle this month. This is the first time my cycle has gone beyond 35 days EVER! Today is day 39. My usual cycles are 32 days. SO going by that I am 7 days late and going by 35 days I am 4 days late.

My temperatures are remaining high as well....

BUT this is the big BUT....my scan on the 18th day of my cycle showed that my biggest follicle was only 9mm and they were pretty sure I wouldn't ovulate this month...

So what is up?

I keep thinking maybe...then I slap myself and think...no wait..maybe the PCOS is just starting to really muck things up and I am heading for a 40 dat cycle.

who knows....

fruitloop79 · 10/03/2008 09:15

Hey dungungirl I would test if I were you!
My temps are through the roof at the moment, I think I should be clinically dead! haha I do feel like poo though I'm refusing to say on FF that I have a fever cos I like looking at the temps - looks impressive! he he
mumblemum I'm not superstitious either but Wow! What a coincidence .

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fruitloop79 · 10/03/2008 18:12

Hey everyone, how are you all today? any testers in our midst? dungun?

Well, my temps are still through the roof due to being ill , I'm coughing so much I'm gonna have abs of steel soon! I wish I'd bloody get better so I can make some sort of sense of these (possible) post ovulation temps . Paracetamol not doing much to help but too scared to take anything stronger

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DungunGirl · 10/03/2008 20:34

Hi fruitloop

It has gone awfully quite on here! Just you and me today!

I have tested twice and both BFN

However, I will wait and see if there is still nothing in 3 days time because that would take me to 42 days, which would be 14 days from my temperature shift.

If still no sign of AF, then I will be very confused! [hmmm]

tootiredtothink · 10/03/2008 20:48

Hi fruitloop and dungungirl - I'm here!!! As i still haven't got an appointment with doc i want to see i have just been on to see how you guys are doing - and i am intrigued how to work out these charts you do? Strangely I have gone as far as going for IVF but have never done the temp charts etc. As its quiet any chance of getting me started? Are there books i need or sites i should go on?

fruitloop79 · 11/03/2008 08:34

hey tootired try this It's a great online chart which does everything for you. You just add in your temps every morning. Also you can get a BBT (basal body thermometer) from here

It's really fascinating to see all the changes. Not everyone with PCOS can temp as PCOS can affect it but why not give it a go for 1 or 2 cycles to see if you get some sort of pattern?

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DungunGirl · 11/03/2008 11:32

Hi ladies

Still no sign of AF....

I keep feeling like it is going to come but it doesn't...ohhh i am sooooo coonfusedddd

fruitloop79 · 11/03/2008 13:25

hey dungun well I'm not sure how much info those sonographers can get from a scan cos mine thought I might have ov'd when I had my scan which was on the 4th Feb so clearly wrong as I'm still waiting for AF! lol!
I think either PCOS is messing you around (and I sincerely hope it's not or it's got me to deal with!!!) or you're well and truly up the duff!
Are you on FF? do your temps show you have ov'd? - sorry if you've already said, i'm really ill with flu

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tootiredtothink · 11/03/2008 14:51

Cheers fruitloop, have bid on e-bay so should be getting it soon (also going for the sticks!) xxx

DungunGirl · 11/03/2008 16:01

Hey fruitloop

Yeah...I guess my body could have decided to ovulate after all...My scan was on day 18 of my cycle as my usual cycles are 32 days, longest 35.

I got my temp spike on day 29 ! I am on day 40 today!
I don;t use FF, I just do it the ole fashion way on a paper BBT graph I printed off the internet.

I don;t know if you work in celcius or farenheit - I work in celcius and my temps have been going up and up and up since day 29. This morning was the highest yet!

36.84 celcius this morning! Or 98.3 farenheit! On day 40!

I am being the time old pessimist and assuming it is PCOS mucking me about...however I am secretly being a little careful as you never know!!!

Tigerschick · 11/03/2008 16:07

Hi all
Finally heard back from my specialist. They want me to do another cycle of Metfomin + Clomid 150mg. I've got to wait until Monday to see if I have a natural period. Otherwise I'll be taking progesterone from next week.
If that cycle doesn't work it'll be injections - but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

I'm signing off for a few days as we have my parents staying. Hope you all have a good week.

dozymare · 11/03/2008 21:11

Hi Girls,

Apologies not read whole thread but wanted to offwe some words of hope - I was diagnoised with severe PCOS and Underactive Thyroid 5 years ago and told that chances of concieving were slim - have had 2 healthy boys and am pregnant with 3rd despite falling into the obese category. I am on 1500 mg metformin (500 3 times a day) and 150mg of thyroxine. I used persona as well a temp to chart my ovulating (only had 5 periods though last year) and if any of you want if FFp please contact me as I would love to help someone else. My other tip - shave your pubs - worked all 3 times for me! Any wuestions, please ask I hope I canhelp.

dozymare · 11/03/2008 21:12

Christ, my spelling is dreadful - apologies I am knackered!

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