9DPO Symptom Spotting

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Hey @ButterscotchBabe! Continuing our chat here 😁

I loooove that your temps did exactly what mine did too. So good that AF hasn't arrived at CD26!! Happy for you! When your temps increased last month, was it is to a gradual high or did it jump up again and then AF started? Because if this pattern is new, it could mean good news!

Ours definitely look like the beginning of a triphasic chart. My temps last month started dropping at 7DPO, so it still being high at 9DPO is such an achievement for me and no sign of AF either although my vulva feels AF'y in a weird way. My pulse and breathing rate have also continued to shoot up!! If temps don't tell you AF is coming, pulse rate defo will because it always starts falling a few days before AF for me.

I do suspect chemical but no BFP so can't confirm and nothing else changed that cycle so I can't explain it. Hormones were defo the reason I never took the pill, it plays such a big part in changing your reproductive cycle that of course it would have an affect on cycles after you come off them! 45 day cycles sound like a nightmare - especially when TTC too.

I do have a FRER! I'm always so scared to use it though. I always use rubbish ICs which probably aren't the best thing but I will use my FRER with you!

I like predicting what my temps will do with DH. What do you think will happen tomorrow? I think both our temps will go up again 😆

DP was not happy with us keeping the consultation on Monday with no MRI results, so I called the clinic to chase it up, who have said 'its on order, we'll cancel your consultation and rebook when you've had the MRI'. It's been "on order" for the past 2 months! 🤬🤬🤬 I'm so angry, the NHS is clearly in an awful state at the moment 😭.

Oh strange AF! But at least it's over now. I had my vaccine this morning. I was given Moderna. My arm hurts 😭 But apart from my arm, I feel fine but maybe the symptoms will kick in tomorrow. I'll let you know if my AF is different too.

I did call abc today and I've cancelled the appointment. It's so funny because I feel like the universe really doesn't want me to do IVF. This is the second time I've cancelled an appointment. I hope I'll be ok waiting three months but you're right, IVF is just a phone call away. I'm trying to be optimistic but I can't help but feel there must be an issue with me that's stopping us from getting pregnant. I already know I have a short LP and low progesterone but would they stop me from getting a BFP altogether...? If I had some chemicals then there would be a course of action but right now, I'm just stabbing in the dark. I'm also assuming I have PCOS because why not...

Good news though! I'll be able to come to your birthday!!

Looks like you ended up having your appointment cancelled anyway. It's probably for the best. But 2 months is a long time to wait with no idea when you'll hear anything back! The best thing you can do is chase! I suppose you got an HSG booked in quickly because it's a very specific procedure but an MRI is quite general and used for many reasons for many types of people. That's my fear with the NHS. I've been referred to a specialist but I haven't heard anything back and don't expect to for months!

I have no idea if/when I ovulated!! I had ovulation pain yesterday evening in my right ovary and nothing today. OPKs were still dark yesterday but I couldn't tell if any of them were as dark as the control line. Today it's properly -ve. But my temp this morning dipped??? So I must have ovulated in the early hours and that's an ovulation dip? Or I ovulated from the other side? Or I haven't ovulated at all! My CM is confusing me. It's milky watery so I'm thinking maybe I have? I'll see what my temps do over the next few days. Haha I'll probably have finished my cycle by the time you enter your FW!

Oh dear, that sucks! Fingers crossed your children don't inherit the condition. Does your DP find it manageable? As a dancer, he must do?

I wouldn't say I have a favourite food but I don't think it would be a meat dish funnily enough. I love good bread with tasty butter. I'm a simple girl 😜 What's yours?

No, the PA wouldn't tell my boss. She even told me if I didn't feel comfortable telling my boss that I didn't need to say anything. It sucks when you have a good boss and they leave! Will your old boss come back or will they hire someone else? Good bosses are so hard to come by so I hope you get someone who'll have your back and support you.

I didn't pay for the dresses. I paid for the makeup artist, the hotel and their hair accessories. They paid for everything else. The night before the wedding, I booked a suite for all of use to stay in together, so it was nice. The beds were huge! There was space for three people in one bed 😂 I slept like a baby.

That's annoying. Will you book the holiday for August next year? That'll be pretty close to your wedding date and potential honeymoon.

Wooow you've never cried during your TTC journey! You're such a strong woman. That's sad that you couldn't show negative emotions. I used to be like that but that's because I was constantly chasing after happiness but I soon came to realise that being happy all the time isn't sustainable and it's ok to feel negative emotions. It's all part of being human. So if I'm sad, then I'm sad and that's ok.

Hahahaa they're so cheeky! He spent quite a while chasing them! I was in the shower so had no idea what was going on. Apparently, the grey rabbit had gone into the neighbours garden and when DH called his name, he came running back! So he knew he was going to get in trouble plus he must know his name and just ignores us!!!! I'm surprised they weren't eaten by something because we have loads of birds of prey flying over our house and a few neighbourhood cats. I'm thinking about lining the inside edges of their enclosure with wire meshing so they can't dig round the edges. Or better yet - put them on concrete and then their grass-munching days over.

Wooooo! Congrats on the etsy shop! Did you make the roses with your cutting machine? So cool!! Will you be focusing on paper flowers or expand your range into other things?

It looks like you ovulated yesterday, did you get a temp rise this morning?

How are you feeling today? My arm was very painful for about 3 days but it's been fine since. Apparently symptoms are worse after the 2nd dose 😬.

That's great you can come to my birthday 😀🥳, are you on Facebook? I have a Facebook event set up but if not I can send you the details on WhatsApp.

I hope you're feeling okay about having cancelled the IVF again. Lots of ladies on here have said they got pregnant with short LP or low progesterone, so it definitely is possible!

I have to try and not think about the situation with the fertility clinic or I get very stressed. I'm worried I'll be waiting a long time for this MRI and my treatment can't move forward without it 😭😭. Yes I think you're right about the MRI being used much more widely, which is probably the reason for the delay. Things generally work in 12 week cycles, so you'll probably get an appointment 12 weeks after you were referred.

DP manages the condition with daily medication but he still aches most days and is rubbish in the mornings, until he's 'warmed up' 😂😂. Hopefully new treatments will come out in time.

Haha carbs are the best! I'd probably say meaty pizza is my favourite food! With southern fried chicken a close second!

Yes after the lady boss goes back to her substantive post, then my previous male boss will return to being my line manager. He's a nice guy so I'm sure he'll appear understanding but he probably won't quite get it. Even though the PA has said you don't have to tell him, it might be easier to, if during treatment your feeling unwell or need additional scans/time off.

Nope we won't be joining my Dad on the holiday next August as it's too close to our honeymoon and also I'm not very happy that my Dad rearranged it, making it more expensive, without speaking to us.

Oh wow that's cool grey rabbit came back when his name was called! You'll be expecting more from him now 😂. Do you have rabbit leads? To help them expel energy it might be worth getting some leads and taking them for a walk around your garden. We've got some leads for ours, they love running round the garden!

Yes made the roses with the cutting machine, I love them 😍😍. I think I'll mainly focus on paper flowers and glittery card. I've added a new item to my shop, I think once I've got a few items I'll pay for them to be sponsored to help them get to the top of the searches.

On Friday it will be exactly a year until our wedding! Our venue got affected on Monday by flash flooding, so really hoping this doesn't happen next year!

I don't think I've ovulated. By temps have failed to rise. It might end up being an anovulatory cycle or I might ovulate later or I've already ovulated but it's a super slow rise. I've had temp dip on CD2 in my October cycles so it's just a case of waiting to see what happens over the next few days. My CM is creamy so I could have potentially ovulated but I'll keep doing OPKs and DTD anyway.

For some reason, my arm randomly stopped hurting through the night. Yesterday, the pain was excruciating but today it's like nothing happened. Maybe my body is done fighting off the vaccine. I haven't had any symptoms at all. Not even a fever. My temps barely rose the day after the vaccine and doesn't seem to want to rise at all either. When's your second dose booked for? Mines in September but if I end up pregnant I might reschedule it to the 2nd trimester.

Yeaaah! I'm on facebook but I'm not sure if you can add me because of my privacy settings, so I will find you and add you. Haha just checked and your privacy settings are the same! So I can't add you. Look at us over-protected weirdos 😂 I'll change my settings temporarily and you can add me.

I feel ok for now. Think I'll still be sad if AF shows up at the end of this cycle. I've started taking my usual vitamins again, including B-vitamins. Not sure why but they were there and I thought, why not. One of my fish oil tablets fell on the floor and I caught Aski licking it 😂 Luckily it isn't bad for her, it's actually good for her health but that's the last time she's having it!

I definitely get how stressful it must make you feel having to wait on the NHS. And they haven't given you any indication of time scales or as to how long you could be waiting? Either way, I hope you get a letter through your door in the next few days telling you your appointment is next week 😊 If my first appointment is 12 weeks away that'll be annoying as I really want to have my tubes checked on the NHS. Privately it's about £500 😱

It just feels weird and awkward telling my boss I'm trying for a baby, which means he'll know I've been having sex and it hasn't worked! 😱😱🙈 If I need any days off, I'll just go to the PA and she'll sort it out. That being said, I do need to tell them that I won't be taking time off in July.

That's a shame - a Greek holiday would have been lovely but at least you have a honeymoon to look forward to instead. What country are you thinking of honeymooning in?

Not cool! Very naughty!! We've tried them on a harness/lead maybe a year ago and they hated it. They almost had a heart attack. White rabbits eyes completely bulged out of his head and grey rabbit struggled to hop and was scared shitless. So we haven't tried again in case they actually die this time. Are yours ok with it?

I've seen people charging loads for paper flowers so you could definitely make a lot of money from it. I can't wait to see what else you come up with! I'll have to check into your shop regularly. Maybe I'll order something one day 😁

That's sweet! After Friday you'll have months left until your wedding! You must be excited! I had 9 months between deciding we're getting married and the wedding day so you have loads of time to get everything done. I'm praying for a sunny Summer for you with no rain and no flooding!

That's strange your temp hasn't gone up, I wonder what's going on?! Keep DTD and using OPKs just incase you get a peak again. Since you took SI, I would have thought you'll definitely ovulate. If your CM is creamy then you probably have ovulated, fingers crossed your temp will rise tomorrow and things will make sense!

That's great you haven't had many symptoms other than a painful arm 😊. How has your DH felt since having his? I had mild flu symptoms but it only lasted a couple of days. My 2nd vaccine is booked for 28th August but lots of places are now doing drop in sessions, so I could get it earlier. I'm not expecting to be pregnant before then 😂.

Yay we're now Facebook friends 😊, haha I didn't even know I had that setting on! The plan is to start at 3pm for my birthday but I was thinking you could arrive earlier, maybe around 1 or 2pm and then that gives us a chance to chat before others turn up? Will you be getting the train?

Haha Aski was probably thinking "that's a strange looking fish" 😂. How has she been since you let her outside? Has her wound recovered from the op? I can't wait to get the bunnies neutered, they're becoming quite difficult!

Literally no idea when the MRI is gonna happen, whenever I call the fertility clinic they always have a shitty attitude, as if my call is wasting their time... They probably think it is! Yeh it will be 12 weeks until your first consultation, the tube checking normally happens a bit quicker but then it will be another 12 weeks before the next consultation. Very frustrating but infertility is massively underfunded ☹️.

Haha yeh I think that's the most embarrassing part about telling people, is admitting you've been having unprotected sex 😱. Even though most people would expect that in a marriage or long term relationship, it still feels weird 😂😂.

Haven't decided on a country for the honeymoon yet, I think we're going to book the time off work but not book the holiday until much nearer the time. Then hopefully we'll be able to grab a deal!

Oh wow I'm surprised they acted like that, maybe they thought you were trying to strangle them 😂😂. Could the harness have been on too tight? Ours hate having the harness put on but once we've wrestled with them and got it on, they love it. They're quite happy taking us for a walk 😂.

Aww well let me know if you fancy any of the designs, I'd be happy to make you something for free 😊. I'm currently working on creating little bridesmaid proposal cards 😍.

9 months is a nice gap, just long enough to comfortably plan everything but not too long to wait!

Temp went up a bit today. If it drops tomorrow then I guess I probably didn't ovulate. And if it continues going up then maybe I did. The vaccine definitely had an impact but I don't know how yet. OPKs are still -ve and CM is still creamy. All signs generally point to ovulation - even my RHR is going up and up. You're CD10 today so not much is happening with you at the moment I'm guessing?

DH has felt fine since his vaccine. No other symptoms for him either. Surprising all 3 of you had the Pfizer vaccine but DH didn't ever really feel unwell - just tired. Is your DP done with his fainting 😂 how's his job going? He must be properly settled in now?

Oh I thought the 12 week gap between vaccines was compulsory but you can get it earlier? We have drop in sessions here too so might be worth getting the 2nd one over and done with.

Eeeek!! So exciting we're finally meeting! I'll discuss with DH tonight the hotel situation and come up with a plan. I've asked him to take the 23rd off so we can travel down together. It's so annoying he doesn't drive because all the responsibility falls on me and I won't get a break. But we'll probably stop somewhere midway and relax a little. The train costs around £60 for an off-peak return within one month so looks like it will be cheaper driving.

Haha! Well whatever she was thinking, she was definitely enjoying it 🐟 She's been having lots of fun outdoors. We have a dog flap that was here when we moved in and we've finally taught her how to use it! So she has her freedom and uses her time outside to explore and meet up with the other neighbourhood cats. What are your rabbits behaving like? Are they still really fussy about being picked up and touched? It's cute you got them used to the harness though. My boys are dwarf rabbits, so if anything, the harness was kind of loose on them, they're just useless at existing, that's all.

Haha! How often do you call the clinic?? Do you send emails as well? Is 12 weeks the norm for referrals or can it happen faster? I'd be interested to find out what the NHS infertility services in Reading are like. I might do some research. Maybe something out there will mention how fast/slow they are.

So awkward. No one needs to know we're trying for a baby! But alas, sometimes work has to know. But what does the person on the receiving end even say in response. It's just an awkward conversation for both people.

I'd definitely like to pay for anything you make! You're a business woman now. You need to make your money! If you'd like to brainstorm new ideas, feel free to reach out. I'll also be keeping an eye out for the bridesmaids proposal cards. Will you use them for your bridesmaids too?

How's the wedding planning going. Anything new that's been done?

Great to see your temp slowly rising, fingers crossed it went up again today and that confirms ovulation 👍. Not much going on with me, no EWCM yet, will probably start OPKs tomorrow.

Lol yeh DP only fainted soon after the vaccine, he's been fine since. His job is going okay thanks, they're very micro managey, they give him daily tasks and call him several times throughout the day and then he has to email an update at the end of the day, of what's he's done! I hope the longer he's there, they'll start to trust him and back off.

I don't think the 12 week gap is compulsory, they have a gap of that size to ensure more people got their 1st jab. You're not supposed to have it too soon though, I think from 8 weeks is the best. I'm hoping to get it a bit earlier, as you have more protection after both doses.

Yay I'm really excited to meet you! Thank you for coming to my birthday, we'll come to you next time 😊. Does your DH want to learn to drive? DP drives most the time, I don't really like driving, I would hate for him not to drive!

Thats handy there was already a dog flap! Just watch out for other cats wandering in! There's a massive, new build housing estate near us and people are regularly reporting random cats entering their homes, spraying and eating their food!

Rabbits are still grumpy, they both hate being picked up so it's difficult to cuddle them! 2 more weeks until we can get them neutered! Poor grey rabbit keep losing fur because white rabbit constantly chases him to hump him, but he digs his teeth into grey rabbits fur, so when grey rabbit tries to run away, white rabbit hangs on with his teeth 🤦.

I don't call or email the clinic that often 😂, I rang them 4 times when I wanted my AMH results but since then I hadn't contacted them until recently about the MRI. DP previously worked at the NHS and he said everything moves in 12 weeks phases, they do it on purpose to keep everyone moving through the system at the same pace. It maybe worth searching for 'Reading NHS fertility clinic' on here and see if anyone has posted about it. I found someone on another group who is at the same clinic as me, so I often check what they're saying!

I've made the bridesmaids cards (not the MOH one yet), they're nice but not good enough to sell, I'll send you a picture. I've made a pink heart canvas but I can't sell it because the glue is visible on one of the hearts. Our house is gonna end up full with my artwork fails 😂😂. Might try and give it away at the party!

The most recent wedding things I've done are booked the cake baker and booked accommodation for me the night before. I've also found a make-up artist who's quite cheap but their portfolio is really good, so I might pay for hair and make-up for the bridesmaids.

Have you got much planned for the weekend? Weather is looking rubbish here tomorrow 😕, more crafts it is then! 😂

Temp still rising. I've added manual crosshairs as FF hasn't been able to detect ovulation yet. It's probably safe to assume I've ovulated. My boobs started hurting yesterday, much earlier than last cycle! And the weirdest thing is happening! I was touching my boobs last night to feel how sore they were and they felt weird so I had a look at them to see what was going on and my left nipple was wet. So I squeezed it and more clear fluid came out 🙈🙈🙈 So weird. I wonder if I have high prolactin or if the luteal phase can cause such a phenomenon. Or maybe the vaccine did something to my pituitary gland. Or maybe I have a tumour! I thought maybe it was in my head but I squeezed again this morning and more came out 🙈🙈 Am I dying? So cringe and TMI 😂

Oh dear, I hate being micromanaged. I'd end up rebelling against the company 😂 But that isn't healthy at all! How can they justify calling employees multiple times a day to check up on them. And daily update emails??? That's a task you give to an intern/apprentice/graduate. Not an experienced employee! I'd feel very insulted if that was ever asked of me. What does your DP think of this treatment?

DH has a Greek license but hasn't bothered driving in the UK. He wants to take driving lessons first but hasn't been very proactive about it and covid hasn't helped matters either. I've even offered to take him to a quiet area where I can supervise but he's refused. I'd probably be like you when he starts driving and have him drive everywhere - I'll call it payback!

Omg 😱😱 If a random cat walked into my home and sprayed, I would fight it 😂 But since Aski is Miss Popular, I can see her bringing home one of her friends and having a house party 😪 It's so funny that cats have cats they do/don't like. Next door we have a black cat, he's quite big but he's tolerant towards Aski, but there's another black cat in the neighbourhood and if our neighbour's cat sees him, he chases him away. They're like enemies! And yet, he's ok with Aski being on his territory 😂😂😂 Aski does have a female cat she doesn't like. This cat was on our land, rubbing her scent glands all over our property and we were hold Aski back as she was growling!! That cat was taking the piss though. I chased it away 😂😂 #TeamAski. So much drama.

Ouch, sounds like their hormones have kicked in and they're battling it out for dominance. Just watch them because rabbits can fight to the death. Definitely separate them if you need to. I separated mine until they were neutered, then I let them fight it out supervised. I gave my rabbits a good groom yesterday. Their fur is shedding lots so they looked really scruffy. I hate rabbit fur though! It's soo light and fluffy and gets everywhere (including inside my eyes!) I have a handheld vacuum cleaner and lint roller just for their fur. I also clipped their claws.

Oh that's interesting to know! Hopefully Reading is a very fertile area and not many women need fertility assistance so that things can move quickly 🤞

Ooo yes please! I'd love to see what you've made! Haha I'm sure someone would appreciate your artwork fails! 😂 and they're probably not as bad as you think anyway. I know you're very meticulous so you're probably being picky. I'm the same way tbh 😂

Lovely! Are you going to do a makeup trial? I had my trial the same day as my pre-wedding photoshoot so that the makeup wouldn't go to waste. It's the photo of me in the red dress on my instagram. I really liked her work and she didn't disappoint!

Last night, my aunty impromptu invited DH and I to my cousins 13th birthday BBQ today. So I'll be travelling to London soon. I just hope people don't ask why we're not pregnant yet 😒 Enjoy crafting! Definitely share some pics when you can 😁

No fertile CM for me yet, so I think ovulation is going to be a bit later this month, I'll start OPKs today. Yeh I think with your temp rising, creamy CM and sore boobs, you've definitely ovulated. Did you experience as much ovulation pain as you did last month? I remember it was particularly bad for you last cycle.

Oh wow I've never had fluid come out my nipples so I don't know what would cause that! Possibly a reaction from high estrogen with the SI?

Yeh DP isn't happy with this treatment, if they don't calm it down then he'll start looking for another job. Problem is, it's an employers market at the moment.

Does he need a UK licence or can he use his Greek one? Sounds like he might need pushing a bit more! Maybe you could look up some driving instructors and find out prices, if you keep the raising the issue I'm sure he'll give in!

Haha that's so funny, who knew so much drama went on in cat world! I thought they just roam around minding their own business but they've all got their own characters, likes/dislikes and friendship groups 😂😂.

I saw your vid on Insta with you grooming white rabbit, very cute 😍. Yes rabbit hairs get everywhere, including the eyes! As we have them inside I'm also finding their bedding is getting everywhere, it attaches to us and then gets walked round the house! Means lots more hoovering 😕.

I've started using Etsy Ads and I've seen my products appear in searches, whereas before then my products did not appear. So I think that's a hidden cost of selling with Etsy, if you don't pay to be advertised, no-one will see your listings. You do only pay per click though, you don't pay just to appear in the search. I was thinking of setting up a Facebook and Insta page but maybe I'll wait until I've got more products.

Yes I'll definitely do a make-up trial, I'm feeling nervous about it though because I've only had my make-up done once before, many years ago and I hated it, it was the ugliest I'd ever seen myself look 😱😭. That's a great idea to link it with your pre wedding photoshoot! I might try and do the same, if we have one.

Glad the BBQ well and you didn't have any awkward questions! Do you think your Mum and sisters will have told other family members?

For our wedding, instead of having a gift list, we're thinking of asking for contributions towards IVF. That does mean telling everyone which I'm a bit nervous about but it's what we need money for, as we only get one free go on the NHS. What do you think people will think of that?

I had some ovulation pain this cycle but not as bad as last cycle. It's just a strange cycle overall tbh. My temps are still pretty low and completely different to last cycle's chart. That's a shame that you may ovulate a bit later. The further away ovulation is for you, the greater the distance we are from each other 😔 When will it officially be a year since you started trying? We started trying in Oct 2020.

😭😭😭 There's always something new that my body surprises me with! It could be higher estrogen, hence why my boobs are sore earlier in my cycle and my temps are low. I miss the innocence of our random symptom generator but none of the potential symptoms ever mean anything for us 😔

We've booked accommodation for when we come to visit you! We'll arrive on the Thursday evening after work, then we'll spend the Friday exploring the city and meet up with you for lunch or dinner. Then Saturday is your party, then Sunday we leave! I'll need to have someone come in and feed the pets on the Friday and/or Saturday.

We've bought a bowl that has an automatic lid for Aski's food so when she approaches, it uncovers her food. We've had four instances of flies laying eggs in her/our food! Twice in the last two days!!!!! It's disgusting! I've never ever had a fly egg-laying experience before but it seems we have very fertile flies in this area. We've only had one instance where the eggs hatched and we had maggots in our food bin 🤢🤢🤢 Whenever I dispose of the egg-infested food, I mix it in with bleach so the eggs don't hatch 🤢🤢🤢 Not sure else what to do about the flies?????

If your DP is thinking of not staying too long at his job, then he should start job hunting now. If it's difficult to get a job, then it might be worthwhile to start looking early. The only issue is how it would look on his CV if he isn't there for long.

I think DH can drive with a Greek license. I haven't really checked the rules, but I'd hate to have to wait for him to pass his UK test before driving. I tell him quite regularly that he needs to start driving, especially when he expects me to chauffeur him around. I can just imagine me driving myself to hospital while in labour because my husband can't/won't drive 😡

I guess with these platforms, everything is about making money. And if you want to make money, then you have to spend money. It's really not fair, but unless you have good marketing, I'm sure it'll be difficult to get visibility of your products. I'm rooting for you either way!! I hope you start getting clicks! Let me know how you get on 🎉

Aww! You definitely don't want to be feeling ugly on your wedding day! But you probably weren't used to yourself with makeup like that so you perceived yourself as ugly but you probably weren't!! The trial will help in that case. Even if you don't do a pre-wedding photoshoot, still take photos of yourself so you have something to look back at during the wedding planning phase.

No, they wouldn't have told anyone. As far as anyone knows, we're probably just waiting and enjoying married life. I guess people would be more concerned if we'd been married 5 years and nothing had happened.

We asked for contributions towards our first house so didn't receive any gifts (thankfully). You don't have to specify it's for IVF if you feel uncomfortable doing so. You can keep it vague and ask for contributions towards starting a life together as a family/married couple - I think that can mean many things and leaves it open to interpretation. Good luck!

I've just received a referral letter from my GP to speak to the fertility team. It'll be a virtual appointment on 3rd August, which I think is brilliant! Maybe I can have my tubes checked soon after!

Also the case of the leaky nipple has gotten really peculiar 😂 I was out in the garden and my top felt wet where my nipples are (not the areolas but the actual nipples themselves) And I looked and there were wet patches around both nipples. I was like wtf! So squeezed them and nothing came out. So now I'm thinking maybe it's sweat, but do nipples sweat??? Please tell me nipples can sweat because I'm not believing that I'm actually lactating right now!!!

Finally in the fertile stage 😂 OPK still very negative, so ovulation will probably be on Thursday. It will officially be a year for us in August!

Your estrogen must be very high as it's keeping your temp down and I reckon that's why your boobs are leaking! Just did a quick Google search on high estrogen and leaking nipples...

"Galactorrhea is a milky discharge from both nipples, when a woman is not breastfeeding. This is often due to an increase in the hormone prolactin, which produces milk. Galactorrhea may occur if you take sedatives or marijuana. Or it can be caused by high doses of estrogen."

Assuming you don't smoke weed 😂😂, if you don't take the SI next cycle, I reckon the leaky nipples will stop 😂.

That's great you've got a consultation on 3rd Aug 😀, how many weeks did that take from first contacting the GP?

Ooh that's cool, how does the bowl know Aski is approaching? Does it open when it senses something is nearby or does it only open for Aski?

Oh no that's awful about the fly eggs! Interestingly, when I was cutting broccoli yesterday, I found two dead maggots inside the broccoli heads! I've never noticed that before on food. Maybe there is an abundance of flies at the moment 🤢. Was your food organic? Our broccoli was, which is probably why the fly eggs weren't killed.

DP said the role is getting a bit better, he was on a call and noticed other staff at his level being more difficult about taking on work. So I think that's where it stems from. As he's new, they want to make sure he doesn't act like the existing staff they have!

Omg yeh I didn't think of that, you won't be able to drive yourself and you don't wanna get on public transport when you're in labour 😂😂.

Only had 10 clicks so far and no orders yet. I wonder whats the average amount of clicks you need to make a sale 🤔.

Aww that's nice your guests contributed to your first house 😊. I'm undecided whether to say it's for IVF, I think people will be more happy to contribute if they know it's for a baby, than if we say it's for a honeymoon 😂.

Sent off the bridesmaid/MOH proposal gifts today 😬😬, sent them 1st class, so hopefully they'll receive them tomorrow or Wednesday. Hopefully they'll say yes! Then I can get booking hair and make-up, I already have suppliers lined up 😂.

Yay! Welcome EWCM! AF will probably arrive for me by the time you ovulate! I'm due on Fri/Sat and it's feeling pretty likely that it'll come. Aw one year trying in one months time 😔 it's going to suck. My cousin told me that a friend of hers who got married some time after me is now accidentally pregnant and she's so annoyed that she is. I wish I was accidentally pregnant.

My temps are still low compared to previous months but it is increasing slowly. It'll probably start falling soon. I feel like my RHR is like a foreshadowing of what my temps will do and since it has started to fall, my temps will probably follow suit in the next few days.

😂 I don't even know how to get started with procuring weed! The leaky nipples have stopped now. So random! I've had months with lower temps and sorer boobs and I've never lactated! My hormones coupled with the vaccine must be going crazy! I'm still convinced that yesterday's incident was sweat because since then, nothing else has come out. But at least I know my nipples work! What would you do if you woke up one day to leaky nipples?? 😂

Weeks to 3rd Aug:
• Initial appointment - 18th May: 11 weeks
• Blood test - 9th June: 7 weeks
• Follow up appointment - 18th June: 6 weeks

So I'd say things have moved pretty quickly. Hopefully tests and scans are just as fast. Maybe instead of IVF, they'll fund medication that can help.

There's two versions. One has a normal sensor that opens whenever something/someone approaches it. There's a more expensive one that has a microchip reader and will only open for specific pets. I got the normal sensor one, but I'll have to place it somewhere with low foot traffic so we don't wear out the battery.

How are your boys with food? Do you feed them just hay and veg? Have you fed them pellets? After they're neutered they may not eat a lot. I remember I literally had to hand feed grey rabbit individual stalks of hay. But once they recover it'll be fine. I still remember when I brought them back from the vets, white rabbit was out cold. I actually thought he was dead because he wouldn't respond to me touching him. So definitely expect them to still feel the effects of the anaesthesia straight after! And keep them away from each other so they don't fight and tear stitches. My boys couldn't live outside because of all the germs and infections they could contract so I literally had white rabbit living inside a cardboard box and grey rabbit slept in the carrier. Luckily your hutch is indoors!

I wonder how a taxi driver would feel transporting a pregnant woman to hospital while her waters are breaking 😂😂

10 clicks is pretty good! Definitely keep promoting yourself online and offline. Next time someone needs to buy a card, offer your services. Advertise heavily around holidays (Xmas, Easter) and Valentine's, Mother's and Father's Day. Also think about events like baby showers and christenings, new job, get well soon, graduation etc. Maybe give people the option to submit designs that you can cut out with your machine to make their 3D card. Definitely lots of audiences you can cater to.

Cuuute!! Let me know how your bridesmaids and MOH responds! I'm sure they'll really love it and say yes!

Wow, look at how similar my current chart is to my December cycle's.

Looks like ovulation is gonna happen tomorrow or Friday, this is the furthest apart our cycles have been!

I wonder if your luteal phase will be shorter this month with the lower temps? Do you think you'll continue taking the SI? Unless you get a BFP of course!

I find it strange when people say they "accidentally" got pregnant. Did he trip and accidentally fall into your vagina 😂😂😂

How are you feeling for 9DPO? Had many symptoms other than leaky nipples?? I'm not sure if sweat can come out of the nipples, I sometimes get sweat under my boobs but never out of the actual nipple. Another theory is a phantom pregnancy - when you want to be pregnant so much, occasionally your body can start believing it is pregnant and presents symptoms. I still reckon it was caused by the SI. Not sure what I would do, probably spend ages googling 😂😂.

So from initial appointment to consultation is 11 weeks, slightly quicker than the average so that's good. The tube checking is generally quicker and they'll be able to tell you the results on the day, then you'll probably have to wait a while for the next consultation.

I'm so annoyed with my fertility clinic yet again. When they cancelled my consultation, I asked them to post us the SA results, which they said they would. Yesterday they called me saying they've set me up on a portal (My Care) where I can access the results. So they emailed me the link, I logged in and it's a hospital account for me, not DP. Therefore I can only see my test results, not his!! Bloody pointless, they must have known that 🤦🤦🤦. DP then created an account and there were no test results on there 🙄. It's so frustrating, this whole process is gonna age me a lot, they just seem really incompetent!!

I feed the bunnies hay, nuggets (pellets) and veggies, they love kale and broccoli! Aww he looks so cute and helpless in the box, I bet you were able to get lots of kisses and cuddles whilst he was zonked out! Thanks for the warning, or I might have thought they were dead if they react the same! Not sure how we'll separate the hutch, maybe one of them will have to sleep somewhere else. How long did it take for them to recover from the anesthetic?

Lol you may have to call an ambulance because a bus or taxi driver probably wouldn't be too keen to take you 😂😂. Your DH has at least 9 months to learn!

I just did a search on Etsy for one of my cards, using words that fit the card exactly, there were 123 results and my listing wasn't there! I'm paying for ads so my listing should have been at the top of that search but it wasn't there at all 😡. I've contacted them to ask why. Thanks for the ideas! I'll definitely make Christmas cards well in advance. Giving people the option to submit their own design is a cool idea, I'll have to work out how to do that!

My MOH and 2 x bridesmaids have said yes 😀😀, the 3rd bridesmaid didn't receive her parcel because she wasn't in. So I'm hoping they've left a message and she'll go pick it up. I sent it first class signed for, so that it didn't get left anywhere.

So I've now booked make up, just waiting on a supplier to come back to me regarding hair 😀. Next step is wedding dress shopping 😊👰👗

Awesome!! You'll probably get your peak later on today or early tomorrow! Maybe our cycles will somehow sync up again, the only difference being that I'll be one cycle behind you instead of two.

I actually asked my mum how long it took to conceive my siblings and it took her no time because we were all accidents!!!!!! Lucky her 😒

I reached my peak temp today. The only time I've gone over 36.9 was when I was on progesterone, where I peaked at 37. So although this cycle's temps seemed quite low, I ended up reaching my peak at the same time as last cycle's. It could start falling from tomorrow but I'd like to see it go up! I haven't started spotting like I did this time last cycle so I'm hoping for my usual length LP (or longer) or a BFP! RHR seems stable too!

Apart from leaky nipples, my boobs seem strange. I'm just waiting for DH to get in so he can tell me if my boobs look normal or not to him. I'm getting hypopigmented dots all over the skin of my breasts and chests. It's like I'm losing colour from my skin. My mum has them and I usually have very very few but it's like they've increased in numbers and now they're properly noticeable. But maybe they've always been there? So now I'm doubting myself but I'm really freaking out too. I even have white bumps on my areola. I'm scared I have the C word. Might need to book in a GP appointment!

Feeling super emotional today. I just want to cry. DH sent me £100 to treat myself because I'm so sad but I'd rather cry! I feel ugly. I just go around the house looking like a homeless person 😭 I'm just so miserable today 😭😭 How's your week been so far? Are you having terrible weather as well? Is the weather forecast available for the day of your party? Historically, what's the weather been like on your birthdays?

Sounds like you have to go through so many hoops to get your DP's SA! I completely get your frustration and in your shoes I'd feel the same way! Are you able to send and receive messages through this new portal? You may be able to get quicker responses through it. Also have your DP communicate with them too to take the pressure off you.

My rabbits love herbs! Especially coriander. I fed them cat grass because Aski wouldn't eat it, and they loved that too. They're not a fan of kale however. I do give them half a grape or some other fruit once in a while but it's mostly on very rare ocasions. Your hutch has two levels so maybe you can block off access between the levels? After the surgery, grey rabbit was quite alert but it took another day for white rabbit to properly recover - maybe because he's a lot smaller than his brother so it had a bigger effect.

I suppose if given the choice, I'd rather give birth in an ambulance than inside my car! Do you think you'd ever choose to give birth outside of a hospital? My mum gave birth to my youngest sister at home.

Maybe it takes time for the search listings to be updated? How many days has it been since you started paying for ads? Good idea to reach out to them. There might also be some info out there on how the etsy algorithm works, so that might give you some ideas as to what's going wrong.

Yay! Congrats on having a MOH and bridesmaids! Good idea doing a signed for delivery. I learnt my lesson after I posted my passport and marriage certificate off to the DVLA with no tracking and they got lost!

Woooooo! Wedding dress shopping!! 👰 try on lots of styles and take your time making a decision. I regret rushing mine 😞 send pics of what you're thinking!!

As expected, looks like it's all over for me! Just waiting for the spotting or AF. And then hopefully my hormones sort themselves out next cycle.

Oh no sorry to see your temp come down ☹️ have you had any spotting yet? Ovulation is about to happen for me, haven't had any ovulation pain yet so it might be tonight.

I'm losing track of my cycles! It kinda helped you being 2 behind because then I always knew what number I was on 😂😂. I think I'm on cycle 12, I must be because next month will be a year but my cycles are always short.

Oww that's unfair it was so easy for your Mum! It seems to not be genetic/run in families because my Mum and Auntie both had 4 children without much difficulty, yet here I am 12 cycles later babyless 🤷.

Lol what did your DH think of your boobs when he got back?? There's a condition called Vitiligo which Michael Jackson had, it's where patches of the skin lose their pigment, could you possibly have that?

Oh no, sending hugs 🤗🤗, I hope you're feeling better today? Do you think its the stress of fertility issues getting you down? Aww that was kind of your DH 😊, what did you spend it on? I kinda look like a homeless person most days, I live in my pyjamas and tie my hair up in a messy bun 😂. DP often says "are you getting dressed today?".... Erm nope! 😂

Weather is normally hot and sunny late July, so I'm praying it will be this year 🤞🤞. Even if it's not sunny, we'll be fine aslong as it doesn't rain! Weather so far here has been really dodgy for July, lots of rain, so I'm hoping that means there won't be any in a couple of weeks!

You won't believe what happened today... The fertility clinic rang me with the SA results 😱😱😱. I couldn't believe it. They said because we've signed a consent form, they can tell me the results, so they could have told me all along 🤷. So here they are:

Count: 20.5 million per ml (15+ is normal)
Motility: 60%
Morphology: 4% (4+ is normal)
Volume 2.7ml

So everything's fine except the morphology, which is borderline but they didn't seem worried about this.

Oh yes I forgot to mention, grey rabbit loves basil, I don't normally give them herbs but I think I will in future! It's not easy to separate the two levels as there's a big gap above the stairway, we might just have to keep one out of the hutch. So the neutering is booked for 21st July! How long did you leave it before allowing both rabbits to be near each other again?

Well I'm hoping to have C-sections, so better had be in the hospital, don't wanna be doing a home job with those 😂😂.

I'm not really sure how Etsy Ads work, I've upped my budget but it doesn't seem to be driving much more traffic (I only get charged if people click on my listings). I've been paying for ads for at least a week now. Maybe it just takes time, eventually someone will see and want to buy something, surely...

Omg your passport and marriage certificate got lost 😱 what a nightmare. Did you have to pay for replacements?

Something like the dress attached would be nice, I'll have to work on getting rid of back fat though 😂😂. For your vow renewal, you'll have to take as long as you need to find the perfect dress!

Wellness day off at work today, which I suppose has come at a perfect time because I started spotting yesterday night, and now the spotting is redder so AF will likely start today. Plus my temps have more than confirmed it. Have you ovulated?

As of now, we're both on cycle 12! You're in the middle of yours and I'm at the beginning of mine. My cycles are stupidly short so they come around pretty quickly.

I suppose if you didn't have the whole appendix issue as a child, you might have been fine and conceived pretty easily. I just don't know what's wrong with me or what I did to break me.

DH is clueless and said they looked normal to him - but he is wrong. Mine isn't as bad as Michael Jackson and not as extreme as vitiligo. Think very tiny freckles but lighter instead of darker and spaced quite far apart. I haven't been able to find anything on the internet about it.

I haven't even checked my account to see if he deposited it. I don't want his money and I'll probably just send it back to him if he has. I guess being in lockdown and having no reason to look even remotely human has made most of us really complacent with our appearance. I think I'll do something with my hair so at least it doesn't look like a matted mess on top of my head.

Yay! Finally! I bet you're so glad to have his results. Looks like everything is fine with him. Even his morphology. Apparently it's rare to get anything above 8% so don't worry about that. His SA is pretty similar to my DH's newest SA so I guess I should be pleased that my DH's sperm is doing quite well now, despite his obesity.

I think I must have separated the rabbits for at least two weeks. Just so they were properly healed. Then I let them fight it out.

Haha! What if your DP couldn't drive and the ambulance were taking ages?I guess in the throws of labour, stuck at home, and you can't do anything else but push and then suddenly the baby flies out, I don't think a C-section would be needed then.

It was so stressful. DH wanted us to book holidays but I didn't want to apply for a new passport in case it would turn up. There was a lot of backlog when covid first started, so I thought if I just waited, I'd eventually get it back. But month after month went by and I called up the DVLA almost daily and they didn't have it. So I eventually had to apply for a new passport. Luckily I'd gotten two additional copies of my marriage certificate (I recommend you do the same), so I have the original with me and one more spare copy left.

That dress is gorgeous! I really wanted a dress that had beautiful back detail - maybe next time. Back fat is the worst! But easy to lose if you do full body workouts. You have time! I'm sure you'll look gorgeous in it.

I'm thinking about maybe starting some sort of accessories business. I like sewing, but making clothes to fit bodies can be complex, so I'm thinking maybe accessories will be less stressful. I want to distinguish myself by using weird and unique fabrics so I'm going to buy some fabric and do a trial run to see if anyone would be interested in my stuff. Any luck with your etsy shop?

Oww I feel frustrated for you, there's no obvious reason why it shouldn't be happening! If only we knew the answer ☹️

Pretty sure I've ovulated, I had ovulation pain earlier and had peak yesterday. OPK was still high today but it normally stays high for a day after the peak.

Hmm maybe go to the docs if you're concerned? Could they be sun freckles? My Grandad has mixture of dark and white spots on his arms due to sun damage. Although your boobs may not have seen that much sun??

Lol elective C-sections are booked 2 weeks before the due date to try and avoid the risk of going into labour. Sometimes baby wants to come early but normally for first time Mums, baby is late. I was 2 weeks late, my Mum said I came out looking like a prune 😂😂. Do you know if you were late/early?

Thanks for the advice about getting an additional wedding certificate, I hadn't considered that before!

That's a good idea to do accessories! Yes making clothes to fit bodies is very stressful 😂😂. You could make hair bands, hair ties, scarfs, gloves, is that the kinda thing you were thinking of?

Posted my first sale today which was very exciting! Although I was obsessively checking all the wording, so that took a while! Fingers crossed they leave a good review 🤞

Meh, it is what it is. I've bought natural progesterone cream from the US to try. Seems like my FP is perfect but I've never had a scan during my LP so maybe that's where everything is going wrong, although I do bleed for a good number of days so my lining must be fine?? I just think it could be a hormone imbalance? I still have left over cyclogest but it wouldn't be enough to sustain a pregnancy so I've just left it in the fridge.

How's your cycle going? Has your temps started going up? I thought my AF would change after the vaccine but it's literally been the exact same. It's not particularly painful and the flow is normal. It's just a pretty chill cycle, so nothing like how yours was. But it seems like your cycle is back to normal now.

No, I don't think they're sun related. I've had them all my life. Particularly on my legs and chest but they seem to have increased randomly. Unless it's always been like that and I just wasn't checking my body enough so never noticed. Maybe the whole lactation fiasco brought my attention to them.

Haha! My cousin was like that! 2 weeks late as well and completely shrivelled up 😂 I came right on time 😄 the perfect baby. My middle sister came a day late and my younger sister came 3 days late but was due on my mum's bday.

I'll send you a link to the website. I was just so fed up of feeling sad so needed to do something to take my mind off another failed cycle. So basically, I was sat in my bed, being an absolute misery guts and across my line of vision was the makeup bag I made for myself sitting there and all these ideas just flooded into my head, so I went online and bought some nice fabrics and decided there and then that I'd make unique accessories. I'll start with makeup bags and expand my range as I grow.

Haha! Congrats again lovely! You must be so proud of yourself! I'm really pleased for you 💕

Have you looked up ways to increase Progesterone through diet? Some foods apparently encourage Progesterone production, it may not help but worth a shot! It does make me wonder how women in poor, war torn countries, with little access to food and medication, manage to get pregnant! You've had a few scans now and they've always said your lining is okay?

Do you think you'll be able to go 3 months without booking in the IVF again? Hopefully you'll have made some progress with the NHS by then. I'm finding it quite stressful that my treatment cannot move forward without this MRI but there's clearly a massive waiting list ☹️.

Temp went down this morning but it did that last cycle and I had an 11 day LP, so I'm not too concerned. Hopefully it will go back up tomorrow.

That's great your AF wasn't painful and interesting that it's not really any different to normal. My AF often changes, it can vary from light/medium/heavy and no pain to very painful. So I can't say for sure it was due to the vaccine. I think women's periods often vary a little, it's very easy for people to blame any slight changes on the vaccine but they don't know if their period would have done that anyway, without the vaccine. Have to see if this one ends up painful as well!

If you've had them all your life then I don't think you need to worry but always worth getting them checked out, as skin cancer is one of the most common cancers 😕. My aunt recently had 2 cancerous moles removed and my skin is quite moley, so I have to be careful not to get too much sun exposure.

I'm really excited about seeing your range! Your website looks awesome, all it needs now is some cool product pictures 😍. I haven't had anymore orders yet, one a week isn't gonna make me a millionaire 😂😂.

Urgh Mumsnet being funny again with pics!

I'm literally sick to my stomach. I gave myself food poisoning and it wasn't even by accident. We had some 3 month old wraps that weren't mouldy looking so I thought I would chance them - bad idea 🤢

I think I'm just naturally low in progesterone. I've been tracking my cycles for at least 10 years and they've always been around 24-26 days so my LP has probably always been short. I don't know if there's anything I can do to change it and I don't even know if that's what's stopping me from getting pregnant. When I was on the pessaries, I had major palpitations so my body probably can't handle too much progesterone.

We couldn't book in the IVF if we wanted right now. We don't have the money anymore. We've just spent £3k on a new boiler and we're due to spend another £1k on our leaky roof. We may be able to afford it in September, but not this month.

You've literally been waiting months for your MRI now. Do you wish you'd stuck with the HSG? The NHS must be seriously backlogged. There probably isn't anything you can do but wait.

I've started taking soy again, days 3-7 for a change. I probably won't take it again next cycle as it hasn't really made a difference to my cycles.

Was your ovulation painful?

Oh gosh, that's scary! How can you tell if a mole is cancerous?? Do you get yourself checked over once in a while?

Thank you! I went with your suggestions about dark colours and I think I like the colours I've chosen for the website. It's finally at a place where I like it so all that's left is to add products. I have some leftover fabric that I could make a product from. It's the fabric that my sister's wearing on my other instagram - the flower one - what do you think? Too dark?

I can see the '1 Sale' on your etsy profile! So awesome! Your images look great too! I actually got banned from etsy once but just made a new profile and used it anyway 😂😂😂

I had a dream and you were in it! I came to visit you with my family 😂

Gosh how are you feeling today? We're like that, we'll eat foods that are out of date if they look and smell okay! I think it's better to do that than chuck out perfectly good food just because it's past its sell by date, although maybe 3 months is pushing it 😂😂.

My temp has been weird the last couple of days, yesterday it was quite low but then shot up today 🤷. Who knows what's going on in there!

I don't think your short LP is stopping you getting pregnant, lots of ladies on here have said they got pregnant with short LP's. From what we currently know, I think the only possibilities would be blocked tubes, lack of ovulation, too many NK cells, womb lining or DNA fragmentation with sperm. The NHS don't test for DNA fragmentation, only some private fertility clinics do. You'll get closer to the answer as you move further along in this journey 😊.

Does it make it easier that you don't have the money available to book the IVF? At least by giving it another 3 months, you know you've done everything you can to try for a natural conception.

I've been waiting just over 2 months now, since the consultant said she'd received approval for the MRI. I called the x-ray department yesterday to find out what was happening, they've got me on the list but said that patients are treated in order of priority. So if I want 'bumping' up the list, my consultant needs to contact them and change the priority. Also they said I've been booked for a contrast MRI, which they have even less spaces for, so that will make the wait longer. A contrast MRI is where they inject a fluid into your bloodstream to make the images clearer. So glad I called, as the fertility clinic didn't tell me this. Would have been a shock turning up for an MRI being told they need to inject me! Apparently it makes the scan even clearer, so it will be invaluable for determining my future treatment, just sucks I have to wait so long ☹️.

Lol you might get leaky nipples again!

Ovulation wasn't that painful, a few twinges and uncomfortableness but it's definitely been worse. Has your af ended now?

If a mole changes colour or shape then you're supposed to get it checked out with your GP. Most of mine are relatively flat so I'm not too worried about them at the moment, something to keep an eye on though.

Is your sister the one wearing black, pink and yellowy/green colour? That fabric is lovely and does look luxury. As the flowers are quite big, I think you'd need to make something that was big enough to see a full flower. So for example a make up bag would probably be too small but maybe a cushion or a stool cover?

Omg haha, why did you get banned from Etsy??

Haha aww, I hope they liked me!