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We're ovulating again, so let's jump our men. It's TTC after miscarriage thread 11

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Lime19 · 15/06/2017 08:46

Not sure if I should start new thread for this? Is there one open already?

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voxnihili · 25/06/2017 07:48

I'm not sure about my iron levels - I've started taking the preconception vitamins again so thought that might sort that out (I found switching from the pregnancy ones back to the preconception ones really upsetting - funny how the small things bother you).

I don't think taking time off would help though. I feel so useless and taking time from my job that I love would only make things worse. I'm a teacher though so only 4 weeks to try and push myself through.

Presh1234 · 25/06/2017 08:17

I'm a teacher too and we finished school on Thursday past. I had my ERPC the previous Thursday. It is only this weekend that I am starting to come round. I felt absolutely shattered all last week and literally struggled through as was last week of term. Rest up and take it easy.

AnneLovesGilbert · 25/06/2017 12:39

AF is here SadAngryConfusedSad

So incredibly fucked off. Massive chat with DH until the early hours. None of this is where I thought I'd ever be. I've lost 3 babies in the last 11 months and I don't feel like I'm ever going to have a healthy happy pregnancy or a baby in my arms. Can't even be bothered to cry.

Lime19 · 25/06/2017 13:42

Anne, sorry to hear that af is here. It's shit. No other words. I know when I was trying (with not even a hint of a line) it was the tww that used to drive me mad. AF arriving was not so bad, at least I was in the countdown to when I could try again. Sigh. The whole thing is crap.

To think I wasted years on the pill and money on protection! Why did I bother.

I've had a bit of a result. Finally a negative pregnancy test today! Not a hint of a line! I was so happy to see that. You know it's bad when you are pleased to finally get a negative test.

I also managed to tell someone my story of miscarriage and the last few months, without crying! That's progress.

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PossibiliTea · 25/06/2017 15:48

Lime as awful as it is at least you can start moving forwards now, and that's a really big thing to be able to do to talk about it without crying. Sometimes when I tell someone it still doesn't feel like its me I'm talking about...

Doublechocolatetiffin · 25/06/2017 15:49

Oh Anne I'm so so sorry, I was really hoping this would be a successful month for you. Big hugs.

emvy · 25/06/2017 16:39

Vox, I've felt completely shattered after both my mc, and this one in particular, where I've carried on as much as possible, I'm randomly sleeping through afternoons as well. Hopefully it's just your body recovering. In regards to iron, I bought feroglobin, which is slow release iron and other vitamins to help fatigue. I noticed it also has folic acid and is safe to use during pregnancy. So I'm taking that on top of folic acid and vitamin d for conception. Don't know if that helps at all.

Also a teacher battling on! I took a week off after my erpc and just had 2 days after my last (natural) mc. Thankfully I've had a very capable pgce student doing the bulk of the workload this past term so that's been a help. Back to it next week though and I've been flat out writing reports and getting data done. The end is in sight, as you say! Then sleep.

Anne, gutted for you. So, so gutted. So much for my intuition Sad. Stay strong. You can do this! Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get that wine, coffee and cheese down you!

Ekphrasis · 25/06/2017 16:54

That's great lime!

I'm so sorry for everyone's heartache. I'm feeling despondent today; hope to bounce back soon.

I'm a teacher. I found my mc utterly exhausting. It took a few weeks to get back on top. My brain wasn't really with it and I found I had missing memories from around the mc time. Do be kind to yourselves but do ask to check iron too.

voxnihili · 25/06/2017 18:30

Thanks, as much as I'm not glad anyone else is going through this, it helps to know I'm not abnormal.

I'm on SLT so at least don't have to stand in front of a class all day. I wish I could just hide in my office all day. Some of the things I've struggled with most are the child protection meetings as it feels so unfair.

Did any of you who were teachers tell your schools about what had happened?

Smurf123 · 25/06/2017 20:54

I did vox.. I'll be honest though I told mine as I am a sub (ni is terrible for getting permanent post). But I have been in this school since the beginning of the school year. At the time of my second miscarriage I went for a scan on the Friday(was supposed to be a reassurance scan) told hb was slow.. Scan was 830 am I went straight to school... one of my cas (it's a special school) noticed as soon as I came in that something was up so much for me thinking make up would cover it! I ended up telling classroom assistants everything... Fast forward the weekend and another scan on Monday morning this time we were told heart had stopped and no growth from previous scan.. Again in my wisdom I thought I'd go to school anyway. Tbh I thought the distraction of kids would help and I knew that it would be too late for them to get anyone else and really didn't want to let school or my kids down. I also knew that I needed to let principal know I was going to erpc the next day and would need the rest of the week off. But again my classroom assistants had known I was going for the scan and despite my reassurances that id be OK they insisted I should be at home with my husband. One of them very kindly said she would tell principal instead (I couldn't say it all again without crying) he brought me into his office where he asked me why on earth I'd come in, told me to take the week off and handed me a counselling leaflet "just incase you want it, they are really good"... On my return a week later vp called me in and just said I know you won't want to talk about it but are you OK? If we can help let us know.
With my first miscarriage I didn't tell anyone and the only people who knew was my husband and my mum I just said I was sick to everyone else. Second time round I'm sort of glad others know.. My work colleagues that know have been really good and two have been there before with miscarriages of their own and in a small way it helped to know I'm not alone... Both of them now have young kids and it gave a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel that maybe one day I could still be sitting with my own baby

Juancornetto · 25/06/2017 21:01

Anne I'm so sorry, I know how despondent it can make you feel Sad

Would positive stories help at all? In the nearly 2 years it took me to conceive DD, I'd occasionally have a binge of reading up on them just to keep my chin up and to keep plodding on.

But two of the mums I know who had their first children at the same time as I had DD (18 months ago) suffered from recurrent miscarriages before they conceived DC1. One suffered from 5 miscarriages before she conceived DC1 then got pregnant again when DC1 was 10 months old and now has DC2. The other suffered 3 miscarriages before conceiving DC1 and is now 20 weeks pregnant with DC2. There is hope, I promise Flowers

emvy · 25/06/2017 21:14

Sorry if I sounded a bit heartless anne, you're allowed to feel fed up. Tell me to bugger off if I was too upbeat!

vox, I told a few people at school. I work in a small school and my headteacher is incredibly supportive of the staff, so I felt I could open up to her. She was incredible - keeping it quiet from the other staff members and ensuring no one contacted me until I was ready. She was just as great after my second mc. I also told the deputy, and 2 other teachers who are friends, and the support staff in my room as they kept it all going at school which I was really greatful for. The second time, as I didn't need as much time off and felt more emotionally stable, I didn't tell as many people. I think it really depends on how close and supportive your school is and whether you feel it'll make things easier for you that people know.

For those of you who have been through more than one mc - did people respond differently the second time round? The first time we were inundated with cards and flowers from close friends and family. The second time round we were met with pitying faces and mumbles of "sorry", and then back to normality. Admittedly, I felt stronger after the second one so people probably sense that but I almost feel like people were expecting it? I don't know, maybe I'm imagining it, I just can't help feeling we're now stuck in this ttc, pregnancy, mc cycle and everyone else is expecting this to be the case too!

Ekphrasis · 25/06/2017 21:34

Yes I did. I had a long period of illness a few years ago and resolutely did not want anything other than mc on my record.

First time I only had to take one day as it was the hols luckily. This time I took one day - I could have gone in i think physically. I wasn't sure mentally, though actually I was worried about the pain and feeling faint. But I was ok mostly.

I'm a bit worried about what to do if it happens again. I may make up an illness next time. My sick record has been great apart from those.

I did tell people actually. Quite freely. I think it's not talked about enough. Most very supportive. One ta started talking about early scans giving too much info; clearly has no idea so I ignored it. I had the scan as I was bleeding ffs. But I forgive her as she's excellent.

Ekphrasis · 25/06/2017 21:36

Emvy- I feel a bit like that. I dread an eye roll and a "why are you bothering, just stick at one, you're too old" look.

Doublechocolatetiffin · 26/06/2017 09:25

I wish miscarriage was more talked about, in fact I wish I felt like I could tell all my friends. It's really hard, I stupidly have always told people that I wanted a 2 year age gap between children so now my DD is 20months I get a lot of looks. There is also a lot of 'are you sure you don't want anything to drink' when I'm in the tww and abstaining from alcohol just in case. I wish I could just say I'm in that pointless (it seems) 2 weeks each month where I don't eat or drink lots of the things I love just in case I am actually pregnant, but as yet I'm not.

I'm kinda dreading this weekend, I have a friend coming over (whom I love) but who is 6 months pregnant. I know talk will go to when are we having another (she had her first a month before me). And I'll probably either have just got af or will still be waiting to confirm it's not this month. I really hope it's the former so I can at least have a glass of wine or too Grin.

rachelandthenoodle · 26/06/2017 11:18

@Doublechocolatetiffin I totally agree; I really wish it were more talked about. I wish it because maybe if I'd had ANY clue it was such a common thing, I'd have been at least moderately mentally prepared, whereas I really wasn't at all. And secondly, I wish it was normal to just be quite open about it so that people understood. If you have a broken leg and someone says 'hey, how come you can't come for a run?', you say: 'because I have a broken leg'. But with this it just seems like it's such bad form to even talk about it, like it's some sort of disease or a curse or something, so instead you just find yourself making lame excuses for things. 😖 Such a frustrating experience on top of physical and emotional hurt.

Anyway, rant over! 😂

Flashinthepan · 26/06/2017 11:23

Like Ekphrasis I was also pretty open it about it. I told close friends, partly because I had to cancel some plans straight after surgery but also because people liked to take bets on when we'd have a baby, or ask whether I was pregnant yet and I wanted to put an end to that. But also because apart from 2 or 3 friends who've got pregnant no problems, most of our friends don't have children/haven't started trying but if any of them have problems I don't want them to think they're alone in it. Or if I do get pregnant again, and had never spoken of the difficulties of my ectopic, I wouldn't want people to think it's all plain sailing and feel weird or ashamed if its not easy for them.

Juancornetto · 26/06/2017 11:40

I've told loads of people but DP's a bit more private than me so I've not told any of his friends or family. You're so right rachel why should it be something we're embarrassed to talk about? One other benefit of telling people is that I've found out who my true friends are. People have really surprised me some in a good way and some bad

AnneLovesGilbert · 26/06/2017 11:43

Oh emvy, not at all love. I had a lot of good cheese actually and a glass of wine, but then felt really drunk really quickly and quite sick, plus epic cramps and back ache, was in a bit of a state.

I completely relate to the calm of getting AF normally, I was saying that just last month, but it was a massive kick in the nuts this time for some reason. Maybe I believed DTD on holiday rather than at home would magically do the trick... Hmm I've been scrolling back through Ovia to what might have worked in Jan as my last BFP was 1 February. But nothing is different. I'm the same weight, DTD same amount, same vitamins, diet, sleep, (v minimal) exercise. Fuck knows.

Juan, that's really kind of you to share those and it does help. I was asking DH the other night if he really thinks we're on a run of spectacularly shitty luck or if he's secretly a bit worried there's something wrong but they haven't found it. I know people have similar runs of mcs followed by a healthy pregnancy and no reason is found, but then WTF is up with that? There HAS to be a reason doesn't there? Why does it suddenly work?

Good news stories definitely help, thank you x

My first one officially was many years ago so it's not really part of the current story with DH though it did mean we got referred to RMC after MMC as I'd put it in my notes. So discounting that, had early mc last August and didn't tell anyone, carried on with work and it wasn't that bad. Got BFP straight after that and that was MMC so surgery, then post op infection, A&E etc and I had 2 weeks off work. And then early one in Feb, told a few people as they knew we were trying, just cos of the MMC, wouldn't obis have told anyone otherwise! The impact was nowhere near the same for DH and me, so the people we did tell didn't make much fuss but we didn't want them to. It was shot and disappointing rather than full on devastating. The pain and bleeding were much worse than I'd been expecting, mainly the awful back ache, and I had 2 and a half days off work. Told my line manager and just said she was sorry and left it at that.

It would be awful if anyone did that ek, of course you want another baby and no one has any right to judge that! I don't have any yet so no one would say anything like to us, I hope, though DH has two with his ex.

That sounds tough this weekend tiffin, not sure what that best way to deal with it is, can you be honest with her?

With my one friend who is pregnant, I haven't said much as I don't want to upset her and she hasn't really bothered to ask, but likewise I haven't asked much about her pregnancy as I think she's been hugely insensitive and actually a bit of a bitch. Not by being pregnant, but from what she's said about it. From my POV she's fucking lucky to be pregnant, especially as they weren't even trying, so I don't want to hear how tired and achy she is and what a mare baby brain is FFS.... Of course you can complain and not enjoy pregnancy, no one said it's easy, but maybe confide in someone who hasn't spent half of the last year pregnant and losing babies. I hope your friend is sensitive if you do tell her.

Pregnancy related time off, which includes mc, can't be counted as normal sickness absence so it's worth being honest should it happen again, though I desperately hope it doesn't and you get a sticky bean very soon. It's not like you'd be doing it on purpose, and you wouldn't have to tell anyone apart from whoever looks after the records. To anyone else you can just be "off ill" with someone personal or a vague gynae issue.

conkerchops · 26/06/2017 18:24

Just catching up on the thread after another weekend away on diabetes camp! Had an awesome time but am absolutely knackered!
I am a v firm believer in being able to talk about miscarriage and breaking down all the awful taboos - most of our friends know our story and in fact I have just shared it on my just giving page for my 10k race - every time I have posted about it or discussed it people have been so wonderful and lovely and supportive - and I have raised way more money for the miscarriage charity than I ever expected! I am v v overwhelmed with people's generosity!!!!!
With both of my missed miscarriages this year I have told friends and family we were pregnant and then when we suffered the miscarriage they were able to give us support - which we so needed. This last pregnancy that ended in miscarriage at 6 weeks I had only told a couple of v v close friends and just told them about the loss - for some reason this time I didn't feel ready to talk to people about with the pregnancy or the loss - I wanted my pregnancy and I guess as I wanted to cope by focusing on the loads of distractions we have in life at the moment such as work and moving house and holidays I didn't want people to make
Me feel like I wasn't entitled to enjoy those things as we'd lost the baby! Sill logic I know but has definitely helped me this time to not have to tell the world and his wife that it has happened again! Those who do know have been so kind and respectful of my wishes to get on with life though! Well apart from my colleague this weekend who is also a good friend who knew all about it but was still an arse over the camp
Weekend!!!! Not about the miscarriage - but as his boss I had to spend a lot of time being cross with him!!!!! Which was not what I was looking forward to !!!!

MummysMaison · 26/06/2017 19:13

Hi ladies. I've missed so much in a week. Lots of love to all of you who are having difficult times.

AF arrived for me yesterday which means the start of my first cycle trying.

My DH is recovery well from his vasectomy reversal which he had last Monday. One more week until we can DTD which falls conveniently just before OV. Obviously no idea if his reversal will work but the surgeon said it was easy and went very well, all done in 30 mins! At the back of my mind I'm conscious of my 4 losses, the last one being 6 years ago. Having 2 MCs, 2 MMCs and 2 DDs overall, does that make me more likely to MC again? I never had any investigations done because I went on to have my girls.

Xxxx

Starshine1 · 26/06/2017 20:08

Hey ladies, sorry I have been absent for a while.

I agree with being open about the miscarriages- i kept the first two hidden, don't know why, but then decided to tell people with the others and have found those much easier. I work in a lovely team and everyone close that I work with has known, I have just found that means that if I am not on quite the same planet, there is a reason why!

Oh Anne- my af arrived today- hit me really hard this month too! Feeling better now and have no idea why I have found this month so hard! I am in a positive mindset today - hang in there- I don't know why it sometimes just happens and works, but keep thinking it will. Fx for this month for you- I did exactly the same analysed Jan when I fell and compared!

Well done conker on your fundraising page for the run! That's is great and what a wonderful thing to do- you are inspiring me! I went for a run after work tonight and was Thinking of you! Do you work in diabetes?

Good your body is moving on lime.

Starshine1 · 26/06/2017 20:25

Sorry mummysmaison- I missed your thread. Fx the surgery has been successful. I am afraid I have no idea whether it means you're more likely to mc again, although I guess a positive way to look at it would be that most mc have no cause they can track, so even with investigations they might not have suggested any treatment? Fx for this cycle for you

conkerchops · 26/06/2017 21:28

@starshine - I ran this eve too! V touched you thought of me! When I saw my counsellor from the charity I am fundraising for she said to me that my fundraising and the run are my tribute to the babies we have lost this year - which really touched me deeply! So on 9th July I will run for them and for all other ladies and couple who have been through this v v v sad time like we have this year !
Yes I work with kids with type 1 diabetes - absolutely love my job! Feel v v lucky!

hometownunicorn · 26/06/2017 21:51

Hey all. anne and starshine sorry about AF. Better luck this cycle, to you and mummys. conker your running sounds like it's going really well! I went for a run yesterday, and am hoping to try to get three runs in this week.

On being more open about mc, did anyone see this? It's a pretty tough read but I really admire them for talking about what's happened.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-40276951

I wasn't able to tell anyone at work about my mc, mostly because I'd just started a new job when I found out I was pregnant and I didn't want anyone to know I was trying as I don't think my contract would be renewed if they know. I'm not particularly open about my personal life at work anyway as my support network is elsewhere so in some ways it's easier to switch off from it as nobody knows. Saying that though sometimes I wish people knew just to stop them saying unintentionally hurtful things.

In general though I agree that miscarriage should be talked about more. It's not anyone's fault or should be shameful but the secrecy about it seems to add to the guilt that I and others have felt. Which is the last thing we need!