TTC for 10 months or more, and now we're moving onto thread 4! Ten plussers welcome!

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Thread for anyone TTC for over ten months. Please feel free to join us!

Took the liberty of starting a new thread (with what is obviously a brilliant piece of rhyme!) as I assume everyone else is sleeping peacefully right now :)

Yes hurrah for trixie and her follies.

Go for that instadiff sammy!

bean that all sounds extremely frustrating and upsetting. Would you go for a second opinion somewhere? I mean, fertilisation is a fairly mechanical process, and you have a good track record of creating embryos together - it seems odd they have no idea what's happened.

Bean, I'm so sorry it's hard to know what to suggest. Definitely worth trying icsi but then if all the sperm got through the cumulus would that make much difference? Possibly worth trying another clinic as stealth suggested? Hope you are ok. I know how it feels to be hit out of the blue in this whole process! I will be here to keep you company as will be waiting until at least July myself to try again.

Lucie, I'm so sorry that it's been such a drawn out process. I just want to scream in waiting rooms, when it's clear people are just chatting or just generally being unorganised.

Fingers crossed it goes down quickly.

Bean, I am absolutely devestated for you, that outcome is currently keeping me awake at night and I'm just so sorry it's happened to you :(

Hello to everyone else, will try to catch up on thread it's been a busy one!

So in a turn around the clinic called me at 6 and said they can fit me in in June. The downside is that I would need to take the pill to delay my bleed as the predicted dates don't fit. In theory this is ok, but she said if we have miraculously conceived naturally then this could cause miscarriage. She's given us the option of that or waiting until mid July.... Although I am now wondering what is wrong with using mid June's bleed and will email them shortly to query this.

The biggest part of me is saying get going right away as what are the chances of a natural conception after 2+ years (plus if I haven't ovd yet then we can be careful from now on).

What would you all do?

Hmm, it's a tricky one but for the sake of a few weeks I would probably stick to plan A.

IVF feels like an inevitable but I suppose with every cycle there is the chance.

I am a massive hypocrite though who, for the last week, has been willing my AF to hurry up so I can start my treatment lol.

Hi Sammy if you haven't ov'd yet then I would take precautions and go with the June treatment or mid June if you can but that's because I'm impatient and hate waiting!

I missed your update earlier Trixie. That sounds really positive. Best of luck for monday.

I hope that 1 lot is enough Lucie. Glad you coped ok.

Fingers crossed you have ov'ed Sammy. Or maybe not now that I have read the update. I have not enough clue what is going on to be able to give and opinion but I ope whatever you decide it works for you.

CD16 for me and I got my first positive on an opk today. I normally get two days positive, then ovulate the day after. So that means friday. We have DTD for the last 8 days consecutively, so we are going to take a break tonight and then dtd thursday, friday and saturday. I think I deserve a medal for managing quite this much sex.

Thanks both. I've just emailed the clinic and asked if starting off the back of June's bleed would be possible and hinted that that is our preferred but if not then we'll use this cycle.

DH keeps saying 'how would we even know it was a miscarriage as it will be so early' and I guess maybe we wouldn't? The drugs they put me on to bleed will cause it whatever so I would just think it was the expected bleed.

I feel all anxious as whichever decision I make I'll be thinking what if. What if I cause a mud carriage? What if we're waiting for no reason? Gah. Stupid cycles. Xx

Lucie I'm glad you had a room to yourself and hope you get to zero soon.

Bean so gutted for you, like everyone says you know you can fertilise an egg so something must have happened and hopefully just a one off. I feel so awful for you that you had to go through all of the injections and anaesthetic to get this result. I agree about getting a second opinion or going to another clinic perhaps.

Sammy ooo where are you going on your long weekend away?? I think if it were me I would wait till July but def worth finding out about what's wrong with mid June bleed!

Brenna you def deserve a gold !! My plan of every day in the fertile window went straight out the window when it came to it lol - we managed cd14, 15, 17, 18, 20 and 21. No idea when I ov though but both ovia and FF put fertile window as cd15 to 20.

Sammy, if it's going to stress you out and make you wonder if you've caused a miscarriage then I would either do it off June's bleed if they allow that or wait until July. It's only one extra month which is not a lot really and then you won't need to worry.

Brenna, that's a massive effort with dtd! Hope you get lucky this month.

Evening All

Thanks for welcoming me back!

Gosh reading through everything everyone is going through really shows what an emotional rollercoaster this whole process is. I know it will be worth for all of us but it really has just become a process to me now and I feel sad that I don't have the natural capabilities to create a child

I have had all the initial tests and everything is fine. We think I have an implantation issue related to my rheumatoid arthritis. There are blood tests but they're very expensive. I managed to convince my gp to do some on the nhs and have an appointment on Friday to discuss what they could do. I'm worried though that not having them done through a fertility clinic is going to cause issues down the line.

Has anyone visited the Care clinics? I think their Nottingham clinic specialises in reproductive immunology so I'm leaning towards making an appointment there.

I'm at Nottingham Care, so far so good!

Panda - I'm at a Care clinic. Not Nottingham, but I've mostly been happy with them.

Lucie - the thing is waiting until July will stress me out too. It would mean transfer would be in August and that is so far away.

We'll see what the clinic system about June. Xx

Sammy whilst I like that you get a choice, that's a really tough one. I know I wouldn't want to wait even a couple of weeks. Psychologically even waiting a day is tough.

Well my temp hasn't gone up today, and opk still positive so body obviously hasn't managed to ov yet. As we last dtd Sunday I think we'll be safe if I ov tomorrow.

I think I'm going to ask to start after June's bleed (23rd ish) but if that's a no for some reason then I'm going to go on the pill and start immediately. Xx

Oh and Maple, we're going to Tennerife!

Might have to buy some condoms........

Lucie you've really had a tough time ((((hugs)))) fx your levels go down quickly and you can start moving forwards.

Bean so sorry you didn't get any answers. I agree with the others about getting a second opinion elsewhere. It's devastating to go through all of that and then get such a blow

Sammy I wouldn't want to wait either given the choice but seems like you've worked it all out. Good luck

Sounds like a plan sammy and enjoy Tenerife!! My next hol is a long weekend in Rome - so looking forward to it!

Panda it really is shit isn't it. Hugs we are all in the same boat and sure everyone can relate to how you feel. Hope the appointment tomorrow goes well and you get the tests you need.

Mittleschmertz for me today. Ovulation today or tomorrow. DTD tonight and tomorrow and saturday for sure. My god mother is coming round tomorrow to learn how to make cakes. She is not good at leaving early or taking subtle hints. I may have to boot her out the door telling her I am ovulating and we are off to bed if all else fails. Which will remove her and probably traumatise her for life.

Haha Brenna love that, is it terrible that one of the things I'm looking forward to is that (if we manage to get pregnant) we can go back to having sex when we actually want to...

So we now have two two cells. And maybe a third. They aren't yet sure what this means but if they can divide again they will transfer back tomorrow. They have gone from saying 1% chance to 50/50 chance of getting to transfer. My head is totally messed with. Please keep everything crossed.

I had bleeding after sex during my first pregnancy. If I get pregnant we are going to be on a ban. Best enjoy it while I can now.

bean everything crossable crossed my lovely. As things stand right now, you have two embryos. Two little fighters. Cautiously optimistic and thinking of you - absolutely massive and complete headfuck but this is most def a better headfuck position than yesterday. Hope those little fighters are back on board with you v v soon

lucie massive hugs for getting over the injection - I hope this can bring things to a close and you and DH can have a lovely and bloody well earned holiday

trixie all sounding brilliant - onwards and upwards

sammy sounds like a brilliant plan and WOOHOO for holiday. Am now envisioning you with a ‘Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go to tenerife’ t shirt

panda I’m not directly with Care, as I see an independent consultant who’s essentially a satellite clinic to Care London - but go to them for EC and ET and it’s their lab. Care have a brilliant reputation, esp Nottingham, for reproductive immunology. Would deffo make an appt

brenna Seriously on DTD marathon. And some ice for your lady bits! Re: sex while pregnant. I think I’ve regrown my virginity - we didn’t DTD while pregnant because if anything happened we didn’t want to blame ourselves. Well THAT sex ban worked out well then. Although with the progesterone pessaries tbh it’s like tiger country down there, unless you fancy getting adventurous and ‘up the bum, no harm done’.

So, er, I’ve started stims last night. And it seems I might be polycystic again. Blood profile looked v much like back from my PCOS days (LH last week wasn’t a surge indicating ov, LH a week later was still high and progesterone low, suggesting no ov, and a PCOS like FSH:LH ratio - like I used to have)

Say hello to my old friend dildocam, and yes, whaddya know, my ovaries are quiet (def no ov) and they have a PCO-like ‘string of pearls’ appearance.

Counted at least 15 antral follicles, and said there’s probably more, so baseline about 15-20

Agreed we’d start stims immediately - however unlike last time, when I was on the sledgehammer dose of Gonal-F (450iu), he’s got me on a mild dose (150iu) and got me to start the Cetrotide immediately, as my follies were already 8-10mm and he didn’t want my ovaries going off like rockets

So, hopefully looking at egg collection in just under 2 weeks - will be freeze-all so we can do PGS

And apparently the lab think it would be reasonable to thaw the frosties for biopsy (and refreeze) so all being well, we’ll be testing two lots of blasts and hope there’s a couple of good ones in there

So, er, yeah, it’s all go. Dunno WTF is going on, but apparently I have lots of eggs again…..!

Oh Bean fingers crossed for you.

How are you doing today Lucie?

Banana. The problem for me seems to be orgasms, so I will literally be doing nothing at all. Not even thinking about it. DH can just sort his self out for the duration since he still can. I will be getting seriously tortured though. That is assuming we ever get far enough for that to be an issue. Although by then I think I will have had enough to last me the year anyway. Best of luck with egg collection. So sorry it looks like PCOS is rearing it's ugly head.

Hi Brenna, thanks for asking. I'm ok, no side effects at the moment apart from a bit of a headache this morning which is probably unrelated. The hospital have given me some strong painkillers and anti sickness meds. Not sure what to expect really. The nurse said from what people have told her they have found days 3-5 the worst although when I spoke to the doctor a few weeks back she said I probably wouldn't experience a lot in the way of symptoms possibly a dodgy stomach. I guess there's no actual embryo there just maybe a small bit of placenta so hopefully it shouldn't be too much of an ordeal dissolving that. Good luck with your dtd marathon this weekend and hope your god mother doesn't out stay her welcome.

Banana, I have been thinking of you and wondering how you are. Great news that you have started stimms! Is it good or bad that your pcos has reared up? I know maybe in general it's not good but with an IVF cycle could that mean you will get lots of eggs again? That's interesting that the will thaw, test and refreeze your embryos as I know a lot of clinics won't do that mine included!

Bean, that's brilliant news that you now have 2 embies and a potential third. Keep everything crossed that they develop nicely for you. As banana said you are in a better place than you were yesterday.

Sammy, when are you hoping to hear back from the clinic?