TTC for 10 months and the rest! 10 plussers welcome! Thread 3 (the one where we all get our bfps!)

[lucieloos]

New thread ready for us chatty ladies! If you have been trying to conceive for over 10 months pop in and join us. We are a friendly bunch!

Hurrah lucie that is absolutely fabulous. You have got fantastic results out of small but perfectly formed hauls before, so no reason you won't again this time

My Dr was adamant it's quality over quantity any day - that he's had women with 18 eggs and no embryos, and women with one follicle, one egg, one embryo, and one baby.

Loving your Gestone tactic - awesome!! I had to give a friend her Gestone shot, as her partner was away overnight and she was bricking it about doing her own bum jab. I was bricking it too, given my extensive 'I've watched some YouTube videos' medical training. Honestly it was fine! Sharp jab (think throwing a dart) and she wasn't wincing so my technique can't have been that off

Rest up lovely and everything crossed for some fab news from the love lab tomorrow! Xxx

Lucie given your sucess rates at fertilising and keeping embryos 3 is a great number. You will get your baby and a sibling! Congrats :)

Banana oh my what an image of you using your mates bottom as a dart board....

Thanks Banana and Boris! So Im going to use utrogestan twice a day as I have those at home and will also do one gestone shot a day to keep my levels nice and high. Checked my opk last night and that had turned positive obviously from the trigger so it seems like I haven't had any premature lutenisation this time which is good so hopefully my lining will be in sync. They have given me estrogen to take as well to boost the lining a bit more between now and transfer. Now normally on every other treatment only 2 of the 3 will be mature. I just hope this new sample that DH has given is up to the job as we have been using the same frozen sample for all our cycles in Czech and also used PICSI which selects the best sperm and have always achieved 100% fertilisation but we haven't been able to do that here so will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. Another day and procedure successfully ticked off the list though. I have been impressed with the NHS. Everybody is absolutely lovely and whilst my Czech clinic is also great it's been nice to laugh and talk with the doctors and nurses who speak fluent English. Looking forward to getting home now and having a nice relaxing day. I'm determined I'm going to get my baby this time!

Great news Lucie! so glad it went well

Fabulous news lucie! Rest up lady.

My little embies seem to be going along nicely. Got a call from my clinic and only one hasn't made it to day 2, so we still have 30 in play. Keeping my fingers tightly crossed!

Thanks both, the only problem we have is that typically my lining is thin. I said to DH this would probably happen when we go to do the fets as normally we have a brilliant lining of 9-10mm triple lined a time but this time it's only 5mm. They have given me estrogen to take to hopefully thicken it up in the next few days but if it isn't enough then they have spoken of possible freezing and doing a fet which would be fine but obviously the embryos need to be a pretty good quality to freeze. Not sure if it's because we had so few follicles so the estrogen levels have naturally been lower than normal this time. I have to go back in in Monday to be remeasured. I don't mind either way though whatever is best for the embryos.

lucie the oestrogen can work wonders between EC and ET

My lining thickened up by 3mm in just 4 days (5.5mm at EC to 8.5mm on day 4)! And that was even under the influence of the progesterone

If it hadn’t then the Dr would have definitely frozen all rather than risk transferring into a suboptimal endometrium, but the oestrogen really can get to work remarkably quickly…

I was on Progynova 2mg three times a day. I’m still taking it, and all being well will stop on Monday @ 10 weeks. Thinking thick for you!!

Between EC and ET I also had a wheat bag permanently strapped to my belly to encourage blood flow, did electro acupuncture supposedly designed to help my lining (hmm) and did pretty much every old wives tale for thickening lining (brazil nuts, red raspberry leaf tea, pomegranate juice). Didn’t do me any harm at any rate!

Oh and boris re: the bum jabs on my friend, she got her BFP the next day, and I joked that ‘hang on, I bent you over the dining table with your knickers down and you got knocked up?!!!!’

stealth that is just fabulous news, rest up while the embryos do their thing

Mpp so excited for your wedding planning!

Thanks banana I thought it was you that had responded well to estrogen after collection. My lining also normally responds really well so I'm going to do the 3 tablets and also one vaginally as I know the Czech clinic have recommended that to women before. I better get going with the first one now.

I have to say I was very impressed with egg collection on the NHS. I was asleep throughout and am in no pain at all afterwards. He said some people fight the drugs and stay awake but not me I was nicely sleeping away. We are back home now so just going to relax and chill out for the rest of the day with DH

Stealth, amazing news about your embryos!!

lucie what banana said - estrogen can do wonders in a short time. But if it doesn't then I'm sure a FET will work - you seem to make great embryos!

Thanks for your well wishes; I probably seem v self indulgent with such a large haul but I am terrified they're all going to fall over. We are freezing all so they have to go the whole way. My paranoia not helped by the fact the clinic told me today that "only one has gone on" which I took to mean 30 had died. Fortunately the opposite - I must have misheard the "on"!

Thanks stealth, yes hoping the estrogen works but I won't be devastated if it doesn't as I prefer to do fets anyway. Ideally I would like to get my lining 9-10mm like it normally is and I'm not sure it would grow that quickly in just a few days. I'm just hoping they won't force me into having a fresh with a lower lining.

lucie totally understand the concern and reckon it's reasonable to have a discussion about the pros and cons

My Dr said his absolute minimum was 7mm but he liked 8mm and over

I know Dr Sher says anything under 9mm is rubbish but I'm not sure it's that cut and dried

You need to be happy with proceeding to transfer - but my lining was the big question mark after we knew we had a good blast to put back, and it held up beautifully

At my viability scan the consultant was grinning like a loon when he saw the endometrium was looking great, as he said that was his concern for me after transfer - not because it was thin, but because it had been so unpredictable

But the oestrogen worked its magic, along with the progesterone, at least as far as implantation and being able to support a pregnancy goes. If anything goes wrong now it'll likely to be to do with the chromosomal makeup and not the uterine environment

Big hugs xxx

Well they can't force you to do anything! You know your body, so I would stand firm. Hopefully your lining gets there!

Well I hope it's not true that anything under 9mm is rubbish or I am never going to get my baby.
My clinics minimum is 6,5mm which they say is based on most up to date research. I have questioned it more than once, and they are adamant that the 8mm guideline is out of date.
There's nothing I can do anyway, so can't get stressed about this. Xx

Yes mine has said 7mm as a minimum but I would want it to be more than that. I would be happy with 8.5mm like yours. We will have to wait and see what happens I guess but I would rather wait a month and do a fet than put them into an environment I didn't feel happy with.

sammy my Dr said he's has pregnancies with lining at 6mm! So there's no hard and fast rule and there is no reason whatsoever you won't get your baby xxx

*had pregnancies

Sammy, I'm sure you have every chance of getting your baby. Sorry don't mean to go on about lining it's just that I know my lining is normally the only good thing about my cycle so wouldn't want to transfer if I it doesn't reach what it's normally capable of achieving if you know what I mean x

Don't apologise Lucie, I'd be the same if I thought I stood any chance of getting a lining of more than 7mm!
Fx for a nice cushiony lining for you

Quick question for all thoes shoving (or who have shoved) pessaries into yourselves... I get loads of gooy white stuff coming out, even quite quickly after I put them in. also just recently I've had enough discharge to feel really damp, like I'm sat in a puddle. Is this normal Especially the dampness? A y way you can mitigate the gooy stuff? I'm sort of glad I'm not using the back door, wouldn't fancy this leakage out of there

Boris, I used the back door last time and didn't get any leakage. Used the front door first time and had a fair bit of residue, the clinic said not to worry though.

Stealth, 85% is amazing odds! I've been given 40% - I like to think the Dr. is being a bit pessimistic though.

Lucie, sure it will all work out ok

boris I use the front and I am bulk buying pantliners. As Always have stopped making unscented pantliners my knickers now smell like a glade plug in

trixie are you also having PGS? 85% for a chromosomally normal embryo is pretty good odds, no clinic could give those odds for a non PGS tested embryo I'd have thought?!!

I know my clinic only ever give 60-70% max even with pgs tested so 85% is great!

Boris, I think it's normal to have some leakage, your body absorbs all the progesterone and then throws out the bits it doesn't need. As banana said invest in a few packs of pantyliners and you should be fine.

We're not no Banana though I did ask about it and the Dr. just kind of brushed over it. I guess the best we could hope for without is 50% (which is what we were told by our private clinic last year) so 40% isn't too bad.

I never asked my personal odds as I thought they'd be too depressing to even contemplate...!!

Way I thought about it was that no matter what your prognosis and predicted odds, if you get pregnant it's 100% and if you don't, it's 0%.

I was expecting the odds to be utterly miserable given my high FSH and appalling AMH. You just don't know how things will turn out. So why not believe you're gonna be in the 100%

It's in line with what I was told when I went for a consultation at ARGC last year (they said above 80% for a screened embryo).

Remember though that is based on PCOS being our "only issue" and me being relatively young (ahem, at least in IVF terms) - it's possible that there's other stuff we don't know about yet (egg quality, uterine environment etc) that lowers our odds. Generally though IVF odds seem to be really high for PCOSers. Let's see!