Immune /natural killer cell treatment when ttc or pregnant (aka the 18th pred thread!)

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This is a thread for those diagnosed with high or very high natural killer cells and trying to concieve or are pregnant and taking steroids/intralipids etc

Newcomers very welcome

Hiya Seeking I am now 14+6 which seems mad. next scan for me is next Thursday to check the baby physically on the back of my silly nuchal scan results. But now I have my harmony results I am not AS worried just the usual level of anxiety.

Good luck to you both (DRTTC and seeking*) we will all be sending you positive thoughts xxx

Thanks everyone - just need Sunday to come about am paranoid about everything! I think a bit of my mucous plug (nice - sorry for tmi) came out today (brownish discharge) - so it may all kick off on its own before then.

Tumtimes, they checked my cervix length as about 10 years ago I had a bit removed for abnormal cells so they always check it if you've had any kind of surgery on it I think. it was an internal scan and they literally just measure it and you go back every 2 weeks or month for another scan to monitor it. Initially they prescribed progesterone which worked as it didn't get any shorter but when I was so allergic to it they said the stitch would be best - was scared of the stitch but so pleased I had it done for extra reassurance (dr Shehata advised against it saying if I'd carried a baby to full term before then I needn't worry - but the cervix looked fine with the first pregnancy, just not on this one).

I think if it looks short at 16 weeks or so (less than 2.5cm I think but can't remember) then there is not much length there for the whole pregnancy as it will get shorter with the weight from the baby so they want to monitor it or strengthen it.

Wow - 2 scans on Tuesday! Am sure all will be fine but completely understand your anxieties, try not to worry and just relax and enjoy seeing your little ones bobbing about on the screen. I know you'll both be fine!

Drttc -are you going to find out what it is?!

I had a different doc do one of my scans there instead of dr S and actually he was lovely and spent so much time doing it and answering all my questions, didn't feel rushed at all so don't worry it may be better than dr s doing it himself!

WOW so much going on on here!! I can't keep track!

Good luck Lisa Drttc seeking and Tum keeping everything crossed for good scans!!

I hope everyone else is doing well xx

Morning everyone. Hope you all had a good weekend! Lots of scans and important milestones coming up soon, hope you're all feeling good.

I just seem to lurch from one disaster to another, ive lost my voice! Do you think I should ask my GP to sign me off for a couple of weeks? I think my body is just so run down its not coping but my voice isn't really pregnancy related, I don't know. There's this idea that pregnancy is twirling around a wheat field wearing a white maxi dress and daisy chains in your hair but that just hasn't been my experience. Sorry to moan

Hi snoopy yes I think you should! Or at least take a few days and see how you feel - you might have laryngitis and there's a lot of flu around apparently. If your run down you don't want to pick up anything else that might be flying around! I'd go to doctors and see what they say. Hope you feel better x

Thanks billy, I feel like such an idiot and I don't want to wish my pregnancy away but I just seem to constantly feel like crap. My GP recommended adjusted duties in January but that still hasn't been sorted so I've been using annual leave to try and catch up on sleep and get some rest.

How are you feeling now billy?

snoopy the most important thing is to look after yourself and baby - do whats best for you. It's really hard to do that I think - I always feel guilty - but it's good practice for when baby arrives and you have to focus on you and baby.

I'm OK thanks - luckily my period came and I went for a scan today to check I don't have a cyst. I've 2 follis (10mm and 7mm) on day 7 so hoping thats good for this cycle. Trouble is Im so paranoid about having chemicals (after 4 in a row) so worried about trying this cycle as I usually ovulate late the 2 cycles after a mc/chemical and I think I've read that the eggs quality is compromised if ov late! So worried Ill just have another chem if I get bfp this cycle.

Also I'm wondering if I should have the pre-ov intralipds this cycle. Louise said not to bother as I'm not doing Super Ov but I'm worried about getting preg and not having them! She also said I could have them if I wanted!

Then gotta decide if to do Super Ov next cycle - again I might ov late and last time I did that I missed my period!

Rah Rha Rha!!

I hate having to constantly make these decisions that feel like they can completely change your life!! I've been on the treatment for over a year, had 3 chemicals on it, and I don't think we can continue like this for much longer! It'll be 3 years of trying in Aug! Tired, tired, tired!! But also dont wanna give up!!

Sorry you're feeling rubbish Snoopy. But you really do need to look after yourself and if you feel that a few days off will allow you to regain some energy/wellness then get to the Drs and get signed off. Really think you also need to have another word with work...

Billy - I know it's hard each month knowing wether you're doing g the right thing or not. Must be compounded by the chemicals. Drttc had pre-ov IL's with this successful cycle after a few chemicals, maybe it'll be what you're body needs to be a bit more balance before a bfp.

I'm feeling mega anxious about tomorrow. The memory of our last mc and that awful scan is heavy on my mind and finding it hard to shake. Then I think that that kind of negativity is going to jinx things. I'm trying so hard to be strong for DH, who really hates and gets worse anxiety about scans than me but secretly I'm a bag of nerves!!
Someone tell me I'm being utterly ridiculous.

Oh billy that must be so hard. You just want someone to tell you 'right this is the path you're going to follow, this is what you're going to do on day one etc...' But instead you're just offered more choices until you can't see the wood for the trees.

My memory is absolutely rubbish at the moment but someone here had a similar number of chemical pregnancies. Are you taking any supplements?

Thanks seeking and snoopy yeah Im taking the usual supp plus cq10. But dr s took me off pred pre bfp and on Hydroxy instead as pred was making me moody (or all the bloody mcs were!!). Now also on Metformin as my LH is usually high.

seeking I can totally understand you feeling anxious about your scan. Is this the 12 week one? I absolutely hate them now - even the follicle tracking ones I now get really nervous at!! Can you try some meditation today and tomorrow until its over? Remember this time is so different, and youve had good scan up until now. Keeping everything crossed for you xx

seeking don't know how I managed to miss your post, stupid phone I completely understand the feeling about jinxing things, I still wave at solitary magpies like a wacko, but you and bean have come so far and done so well!

billy, seeking is right it was drttc. I don't want to add to your list of supplements, God knows we all rattle when we walk already, but have you looked at NAC? I found the research quite encouraging and I took it. Of course your mileage may vary, as with everything.

Hi guys - firstly thanks very much to Lisachick for her info on the cervix I am going to ask my doc at the next scan on Thursday about this.

Billy just to say I used to think that late ovulation meant bad eggs or I wouldn't conceive and on this pregnancy I ovulated on day 19 which is v late for me a day 13 girl so I wouldn't worry about that. I can see why you're anxious with your history but you WILL break this cycle. I am sending you all my positive thoughts and strength.

Seeking I know how you're feeling entirely. When I went for my 12 week scan I actually felt sick to my stomach with nerves. I thought I was going to need the loo it was horrible. Everything you are feeling is normal and you will NOT effect or jinx anything by feeling this way. Its bad enough worrying about this let alone worrying about the impact of worry or bad thoughts. I can guarantee that thoughts and worry with not make any difference to this outcome. I wish you all the best for tomorrow and also DRTTC for her scan too. xxx

Billy when I say you will break this cycle, I obviously mean the cycle of the chemicals. Not as in cycle of period. :-) xx

Thanks snoopy what's the NAC for? did you take this?

Thanks Tumtimes I heard from Louise and she said this too! She said the follies were a good size for day 7 so I think Ill go for intralipids this cycle if I can get time off work and an app.

Good luck for tomorrows scans ladies xx

Thank you ladies... Gonna try some meditation tonight before bed. Thankfully the scan is in the morning so will be over and done with quick enough. This is 11+4 and the furthest, most scared I've been. Up until this point I've been so calm and positive. Haven't had my appointment through for my NHS Nuchal yet... But then I only had my booking in appointment on Tuesday. If it's not there when I get in from work I'll call the hospital tomorrow.

Have you thought about DHEA Billy? I think you did mention it. If you decide you want to try it let me know - you can have what I have left.

billy hopefully this link works sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/supplements-and-miscarriage/n-acetyl-cysteine
I don't know if it worked for me, because we all take so much stuff, but it's not very expensive and the studies looked promising.

Wow seeking nearly 12 weeks! I can't wait for your update tomorrow, so exciting!

Well I went to the GP. She suggested I start maternity leave immediately. I said I had to give employers 28 days notice to change my dates and she said that's nonsense and it's illegal

Well I think you should do just as the Dr has recommended then Snoopy, look after number 1. Sod work!

Good luck today ladies will be thinking of you!

Yeah snoopy do whatever the gp says is my advice :-)

Phhheeewww! Scan went well. Very wiggly little bubba in there! The relief is unreal!
Hope your scan goes/went well drttc x

Omg that's brilliant well done seeking you got here! I'm really really happy for you X

Thanks you.
Now I've started worrying about my nuchal! Lol! That's next Tuesday! Once that's out of the way I think I'll start to breathe slightly easier!

Congrats Seeking!!! Yay!! We all knew it was your time :) So happy for you! Any thoughts on when you want to announce? Just curious :) No pressure!

Baby boy's anatomy scan went well! Very relieved! Told them about the rib pain (which is now upper back pain too) I've been happening and she had a look on the ultrasound to find that my right kidney is 'struggling'. So I'm sat waiting for a consultant! Not too worried as baby is fine- this just sucks for me lol... Really hope they don't have to stick a catheter in to drain it :( Boooooo! Completely worth it though.

Fabulous drttc!

Also although it sucks about the kidney at least you know the cause of the pain and they can solve it.

Really happy for you! Xx

Just checking in quickly, so glad the scans both went ok, just to advise seeking I do t think the worry ever goes away!