Short Luteal Phase #2

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You'll be wishing you were symptomless in no time mascara! But excellent news to see a heartbeat.

I've got my dating scan tomorrow morning - can finally let the secret out - which has become really quite hard to conceal in the last week, on account of prominent bump!

Ah Mrs so exciting, can't wait to see an actual image and not a shadow! Bless your little bump!

Ah thats lovely news Mascara, must have been amazing. And good luck for tomorrow Mrs.

I know it's good that levels are ok, but does make me worry that something more serious is wrong. I've contacted a private clinic who said the initial consultation includes an internal scan for £287 (does that sound about right?) so just waiting to hear back if they do evening or weekend appts, if they do I'm going with that (work make taking appts so awkward and I can't bare all the speculating).

I just assumed I would be like you ladies and need the progesterone prescription, but now I don't really know what the consultant would suggest, maybe a HSG to check my tubes. I'm clueless.

Can I just butt in here please to ask a question? I was diagnosed with low prog a few months ago and then went on to conceive unfortunately I had a mmc in September. First AF arrived 4 weeks from mmc and second cycle has been 33 days by I started spotting from 10dpo. Does this indicate a luteal phase defect? Or is it that my hormones are just settling? Never had any spotting before and lp has always been 14 days so not sure what to think.

The nurse on the phone said to OH that sometimes there isn't enough sample to test. She was purely speculating but comments like that don't help! It's just added to my/our anxiety!

Mascara that's fab news about the heartbeat! So happy for you!

Mrs good luck for tomorrow! How lovely that you have a little bump already!

Sunshine that's fab news about your progesterone. Definitely ask for the actual figure though Sorry if you've told me this before but why can't you be referred to see someone on the NHS? My next step is a internal scan to check my tubes are patent. It'll be on a work day so I'll be under the sake scrutiny as you. Appatantly it's not advisable to go back to work after the scan

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Shary, I can be referred by the NHS but will need to go in for another smear and STI check before she can even send off the referral, so with the hassle of time off work and the waiting time, I just thought it might be easier. I can't seem to think straight at the mo, DH has offered to ring our Dr tomorrow and beg ask her to send off for the referral now. Shary, is your internal scan the HSG one? I've heard alot of people fall pregnant after having this, so I'm hoping that is offered to me. It sounds like you have a good Drs.

Dizzy, sorry to hear about the miscarriage, I could be wrong but I don't think spotting at 10dpo indicates a luteal phase defect, although it could be due to low progesterone. Hopefully it's just your body sorting itself back out.

Thanks sunshinegirl. I do hope my body's just sorting itself and will see what it does this cycle. No point in going to my GP as I won't get any helpful advice.

It's nice to see so many of you have gone on to conceive. Congratulations and good luck to all still ttc.

Its called a Hystero Contrast Salpingogram (HyCoSy). Could be the same thing? I had to have swabs done for chlamydia at my first hospital appointment last week which is a prerequisite of the HyCoSy apparently. I find it so bizarre how different GPs approach it so differently. I really hope you get your referral.

Dizzy it might be just your cycles settling down a bit. Hopefully next month will be better.

Sunshine they'll sort you out privately in no time, I don't think that's a bad price with the scan

Shary hope you're ok, it's true though. They can be so insensitive at times x

My GPs just seem to want to drag it out with separate appointments for every little thing, hopefully DH will have more luck speaking to her tomorrow, I have been over reading and over thinking and totally stressed myself.
I think they are slightly different, I just found this -'The big difference between the two is that with the HyCoSy, they put saline solution or contrast dye into your uterus and then do an ultrasound and with the HSG they put contrast dye in and do X-rays.'
Still having horrible AF cramps but just spotting, I wish it would just start so I can begin a new cycle.

Sunshine no amount of stressing is going to change anything. I know it's so difficult not to. If you take control after xmas by going privately things will move a lot quicker and you'll feel like you're making much quicker progress. Step away from Google, enjoy xmas and get some preseed (in still convinced on the whole ph thing)!

Thanks Sunshine I ovulated (early) the day of my first appointment at the clinic so hopefully its a good omen!

Definitely insensitive Mascara, OH isn't easily offended but even he thought the nurses comment was a bit

Mrsu sorry about your mc. I already have a DD who is almost 3. We have been ttc#2 for 18 months. We were in the process of being referred but conceived before the referral was sent off. My prog was lower when we were ttc#1 and now that I conceived my GP doesn't think this is an issue. I spoke to her when I got my bfp as I read about low prog and mc so was concerned about but she said all was fine now! Hope your referral comes through quickly. Sorry, not tried conceive plus so can't help there.

Mrsunsure, we use conceive plus and really like it, although it obviously hasn't helped us. It's the same sort of thing as Preseed although we didn't like the feel of that as much am going to give this another try (on Mascaras recommendations) once the Conceive Plus runs out.

I don't know that something definitely is wrong, I just feel that there must be something not quite right for it to be taking so long. Hopefully it'll just happen but I'd rather know whats going on. The Fertilaid tablets I'm going to start this cycle are huge, and suppose to take 3 a day.

welcome dizzmerry

so excited for you both mascara and mrsmugoo

hope your appointment goes well Shary

I've put a detailed update below in case it helps anyone, but here is a summary in case you don't want the detail!
I just finished another month with a 9 day luteal phase on a 30 day cycle. cd21 bloods showed no ovulation (no surprise as I ovuated day 22) so GP is sounding like she'll refer me once DH SA is back.

sunshinegirl12 If you believe you have a luteal phase problem, and I know you hate giving blood (me too!), but I would recommend getting yourself in for a day 21 test on day 21. I was petrified that if I went for mine at 7dpo, then they would say everything looks fine. I'm convinced that I have a progesterone surge, but that it doesn't last long enough or peaks too soon iyswim. I couldn't get the GP to understand that ovulation does not automatically mean you have a chance of pregnancy.

So based on advice from here and google, I went in on day 21, when I knew I hadn't ovulated yet (I think I ovulated on cd 22 this month). The GP rang me yesterday saying my progesterone result was a 3 (consistent with no ovulation). She said, 'oh you might just ovulate later, what day are you on now'. I said I was now on CD1 of the next cycle!

So she said, 'you hadn't ovulated by day 21, and your cycle was 30 days...' I could literally hear the cogs turning and penny finally dropping!

So she says once my sexual health results are back, and husband's SA, that we should go in to see her and she'll put everything together for a referral (trying to not get my hopes up too much that it will be that simple). FX that whoever I get referred to will then understand that I am ovulating but have a LP defect! From what I've read somewhere on this thread, one way of treating it is to bring ovulation forward to day 14 so that you have the 14 day LP on the other side. FX!

Happy to report healthy scan this morning. Got moved forward to 13+1 so now due June 7th.

Hey everyone just catching up on all that I've missed!

Nothing to report here cycle wise.

Sunshine I saw the medium. She knew nothing. She thought I already had children and when I said I didn't she said I'm going to have four children between now and 2020 - three boys and a girl and one pregnancy is going to be twins. I'm sceptical as she got nothing right.

We're going to see someone else though as another friend went to a different medium and recorded it and she got things spot on! We had a laugh after as she said to my friend that she's going to get engaged and have two children a boy and a girl (she's already engaged but took her ring off and has two girls).

PS that great news Mrs xx

Mrs fab! So glad all is ok! You must be soooo pleased. Ahh enjoy!

Mrs, congrats, fantastic news, you must be over the moon.

Bear, fx you get your referral soon. I usually have a 10 day luteal phase so although it is on the short side, I'm not sure that maybe there's not something else wrong. Have you had your progesterone levels checked after ovulation at all? I thought it was meant to be done 7dpo?

Sunshine, 4 children within the next 5 years, you're going to be busy. Hopefully the next one you see will seem more believable for you.

Mrsunsure, have been trying nearly a year now, but did tell the GP a little lie and said it had been 2.

DH rang up the GP today and got better answers than I did (bless him). She said that I can come in for a smear and STI check at the same time, and that once I book in for the appointment she'll send off the referral for me to have an internal scan. She also said the STI check is only a swab for chlamydia, no blood needed. Managed to book that all in for CD 10 so atleast will still have time to DTD afterwards before ovulation, didn't want to have to rule this month out. x

Congratulatios mrsmugoo.

Mrsunsure I didn't realise you were expecting a referral soon, I look forward to hearing about how you get on.

Sunshine I'm concerned that I had that STI blood test when it sounds like it wasn't necessary . I think I was so emotional in my GP appointment that I didn't properly take in what she was saying. Will take a notepad next time! Or get my DH to get the details like yours did, good thinking!

I had the test on cd21 instead of 7dpo as I personally am not using it to check ovulation. I'm pretty sure from temperature charting, opks and symptoms that I ovulate. Therefore I used the test to try and demonstrate that I ovulate too late compared to the overall length of my cycle, and it seems to have done the trick. I agree that it's scary trying to navigate your way through the system and through the varying advice - I still can't believe I actually requested day 21 tests; it was my suggestion, not the GP's!

It's interesting that she'll send you for an internal scan before having your STI results back, I might ask for that too rather than waiting.

Iamabear - even if you demonstrate a late ovulation, that still doesn't give you a meaningful diagnosis unless you can show low progesterone at 7dpo. You may know you ovulate (I knew I was from temping too) and you know you've got a short LP - what you need to medically to prove is that because the LP is so short that progesterone is already dropping at 7dpo instead of peaking and therefore you can't implant a fertilised egg in time I.e your short LP is preventing you from conceiving.