Still struggling to conceive no. 2 after getting pregnant easily first time round

[LittlePoot]

So, on the back of a run of rather fantastic success stories, it's time to start another thread for those of us still driving ourselves a bit nuts trying to work out why number 2 seems to be so elusive. New frustrated, obsessive testers always welcome (as are our lovely graduates) and let's hope this thread turns out as many success stories as the last.

Ha ha - glad pot shot was successful! Results back today and nothing interesting. day 21 (actually more like 23/24) progesterone was 28 so that's pretty normal and thyroid test also clear. amh test due back next week then consultation the week after and probably another ultrasound scan. Another sperm count in there sometime too. Then we'll see where the private doc thinks we are and take it from there.

Hi everyone, lovely to see so many people!

Little I'm so sorry you were feeling that way the other day. I can sympathise, I had that day today. Keep getting choked, teary eyed and thinking "What's the fu**ing point? It's never going to happen" So many woman around me are pregnant, so many never wanted to be. How the hell is it fair? How can my cousin who is a caffeine addict, smokes 20 a day, has an extremely unhealthy lifestyle and already has more kids than she wanted, be pregnant again??? I love her, but it's so unfair! I am not a bitter person, it's so lovely I have so many friends around me who are expecting, I just wish I knew why it wasn't happening for me. My DP is stressed out by it all, but only seems to care about how it makes him feel, not me. I think it's worse for us women.

MrsM So glad they listened to you. Hopefully you'll be up the duff in no time

Acupuncture update - Well I still don't find it enjoyable, i'm still pissed off i'm on a caffeine ban, but I am going to see it through, at least until November. He seems to think he can regulate my cycle, but what good is that if there's a problem with me such as endemetriosis or PCOS?

Ok, went for my first lot of fertility tests today. Feeling very disheartened. Going through medical history with Nurse it struck me just how long I had not used contraception, we are talking years, even though i've only been actively trying for 12 months now. She was talking about IVF and I was just thinking how is this happening? Ok, so I was given an internal scan and they done blood tests to check for PCOS. They said the last set of bloods my GP done indicate I probably ovulate. This is where it gets so frustrating, they possibly want to do a hycosy (flush the fallopian tubes with dye) but they wouldn't give me a definite answer, so told me to use a condom for the whole month of September as they cannot do one if there's a chance I could be pregnant. I don't want to waste a month, time is so precious. No one could tell me how likely it was I would need one, and no one could tell me when i'll be told if I need one. They just said there is no appointments before 30th September. My follow up appointment is in 6 weeks, that takes us to October (6th Oct) I cannot wait that long! I'm in limbo! Has anyone had a hycosy and do you know if they'll want to do it before my follow up appointment, or after? If it's after then i'll have to use protection in October too. I don't know if I can do that.

DP is going for semen analysis next Thursday. Oh, she was also talking to me about clomid as an option. When talking to her about my cycles I told her my longest had been 46 days (2013) and my average was 35 days. When I checked my app when I got home I saw my average was 33 days. Would I need clomid with a cycle of that length? It was 37 days last month, but it usually around 32-33 days. I don't want to go on clomid. I don't want to increase my chances of twins. It'd be too much of a struggle financially if by some miracle I ever do conceive.

Sorry to go on, it's just such a shit position to be in, isn't it ladies? I don't know how much longer I can do this.

fruitbat glad you (proverbial, not literally you, unless I've got some stuff very confused!) hit the pot could have been an interesting 'Something About Mary' moment!

little good that everything came back normal but frustrating for you that you're no closer to an answer! Hopefully the next set of tests can give you a bit more of a clearer picture and the doc can sort a plan of action.

village that's pretty pants that they won't tell you a solid yes/no, or indeed when! Ideally you'd have it just after AF I spose so you would be guaranteed not pg but also wouldn't feel like you were 'wasting' a cycle - does it have to be a specific time of your cycle or do you just get what you're given and take your chances? Don't really have any experience, sorry! Personally I'd be inclined to carry on as normal through September, and if they do want to go ahead, just reschedule. Especially as you're having acupuncture, you never know, it might do the job! But I'm probably the worst person to listen to as am constantly getting myself into trouble for doing my own thing

Nowt new round here. 3 weeks today since ERPC, having loads of weird cramps and stuff which I'm hoping is AF en route so I know things are getting back to normal and we can try again. In the meantime, am caning the coffee and smoking like crazy and will give it all up again when AF starts! We've been DTD bareback obviously so if by some miracle I have managed to get re-knocked-up I'll feel horribly guilty, especially if it ends in another MC, but am definitely getting ahead of myself here and need to stop obsessing!!

Sorry to hear you couldn't get a straight answer Village. I have heard a lot of people get preg the month after a hycosy so that's maybe a good reason to have it? I would probably still try in the meantime if it is meant to be just after AF you definitely wouldn't be pregnant anyway? Is it just the twins thing that is putting you off clomid?

Fingers crossed your AF shows up on time Never.

Nearly what should be OV time in a normal cycle for me, I think the inositol has done something at least as I have loads of EWCM (sorry if tmi!) but no sign of a positive OV test though. I'm away this weekend without DH anyway so I hope I don't OV until Monday anyway but I really hope I OV at all.

bish what ov tests are you using? I never got a positive ov test with my DD! I was near enough 100% sure which day I ovulated and never had a +ve beforehand. And here she is 3 years later! I was using eBay cheapies though so that might be why but EWCM is a good sign! Hopefully you ov on time!

On time = at the right time, of course. Can you have a quickie before you go just to 'top up'?! I'm away in a couple of weeks and if it happens to coincide with O day I'm def making DH come home for a bunk up before I go!

Probably not, DH working till 8 tonight plus early rising toddler probably means no chance but I might try and persuade him anyway. Yes using cheapie Ov sticks but they are not even vaguely + but yes I suppose we should dtd anyway and not wait for a pos test!

neverland I have no idea at what point in the cycle I would have it done, they didn't say, despite me asking repeatedly. The nurse was just adamant that I must use a barrier method for the whole of September, even though there's no guarantee i'll definitely need it! Trying to get an answer as to when i'll find out if I need one was like trying to get blood from a stone

Bishbosh To be honest I don't know the first thing about clomid, I tried to ask questions but was told "You'll find out more at your follow up in 6 weeks time" The only thing she said was that it would increase the risk of twins. I just wasn't sure if clomid was essential with a cycle that is on average 33 days?

Village- that nurse sounds like a nightmare! So I had an hsg, which is still an x-ray but I think slightly different, but they deliberately only do it in the first 10 days of your cycle so you can't be pregnan. So bollocks to that nurse. Why would you want to use contraception? "Worst" case scenario is that you get pregnant, which is kind of the aim anyway and then you wouldn't need the hycosy! Don't listen - that's nonsense. I don't know much about clomid either but I hadn't heard anything about it being linked to cycle length.That you should be able to find out more about at your follow up. Sorry you were feeling so down. I'm back to a bit more normal again but still feeling like it really is a lost cause, which is a new one for me. Hopefully something useful will come back from the next couple of weeks of tests and appointments.

Quick update from me after 5 days of flashing smilies, I finally got the static one. But would you believe it on the same day DH started with a very unpleasant stomach bug. So fate decided to cancel it out!! Did DTD on day 4 of flashing smilies so you never know for an outside chance!

Feeling more positive that the static smiley arrived so defo going to order them again for next month. Already working out what days to ban DH from working away????

Village, that place sounds very harsh, I bet it's just to cover themselves, we live in a society now where everything can get over cautious to the extreme.

Hi ladies hope you don't mind me jumping back on, I miss this thread so much! Village I saw your post about the hycosy - I had a lap and dye and also a hysteroscopy, not sure if these are similar/the same things? Nothing was mentioned about not ttc beforehand or time of the month it would take place. As it happens it was a couple of days before af was due to start. Although I had no blockages the procedure obviously triggered something as I conceived 2 months after having it done. So take whatever procedures you can! Everything is worth a try!

Very excited about this, my first positive opk since we started trying. Looks like the inositol is doing its job anyway! Going to pounce on DH shortly!

Bishboshbash that's great news. Good luck. Fx.

Hi everyone, feel a bit better now i've had time to digest things.

Brindler how are things? Well, this hycosy procedure says something about putting dye into your tubes to check for blockages, but it can be done any time in your cycle, besides period, so they told me I must use contraception as they cannot do it if i'm pregnant as it could abort the pregnancy.

Bish loads of luck!

So, I was thinking i'll phone the hospital around a week before i'm due to ovulate, and ask can anyone give me an answer as to whether i'm getting a hycosy as I refuse to use contraception if I definitely don't need one. That will be around 14 days after I had my preliminary tests, so surely they'll have my results by then?

Can't believe she made my follow up for 6 weeks, when she had the option to bring me in at 3,4 or 5 weeks

hello, have been lurking for a bit, feel like a fraud as am only on cycle 4 of ttc #2, but felt I should 'fess up about being a voyeur! extra aggravated as really hate my job so feel like I need it to happen sooner than that.... which obviously is delaying things! hope it's ok to jump aboard xxxx

So got all the results back from GP all normal, DH sperm count normal - he thinks we are not eligible for referral to NHS fertility clinic at all as have child and that referal criteria are same as IVF - I asked him to check as he was not sure.

All together a rather depressing Friday evening, and need to get it together to shag tonight too as ff unclear if I have ovulated yet.
Ho hum roll on the weekend

Btw sorry flymow forgot to say welcome to the thread :)

I hope in the best possible way that your stay is short, we could really do with some good news round here!

Hello flymo I'm a newbie too!
fruitbat that's stupid that referral criteria are the same, hopefully GP is wrong and you can get seen! Although good in a way I suppose that everything is normal. Apologies if this has been asked before but any chance of going private?!

Well I'm 4 weeks and a day out from ERPC and still awaiting AF, I thought I'd ovulated a couple of weeks ago and got all excited but several million negative pg tests this week have un-excited me again. I've been spotting since Tuesday and having wicked cramps but no actual proper AF yet so just waiting and waiting. We're off on holiday for a week tomorrow so doubtless she'll arrive in full force then. Will be good to get away though, need a bit of R&R time with the family. Also using it as a good time to kick the fags that have been getting a bit too regular since the mc! Need to get back to prime incubation standards!

Hi. Can I join please? Been TTC no2 for a year now (but not in the way a GP can tick a box to help us). Had a mc at 19 weeks due to chromosomal abnormalities in Jan. Broke my heart but have managed to pretend it's all ok in front of no1 who is now 2.5 and asks every day for a baby. Ho hum, carry on regardless etc. So, now at 7 months of ttc no2 and fed up being fobbed off by GP as am 38 and hubby 39. Going into battle with GP on Monday - any ideas what to ask for? If it all goes tits up, we're going private, but I don't even know where to start with that. All ideas gratefully received!

Oh, and my sister has 'unexplained fertility' but had IUI and got pg 2nd round. But because I already have a child...you know the GP drill....

Hi to all the newbies. Hope your stay is short. It's so shit being in this boat, isn't it?

Fruitbat What tests did they do on you? In a way it's more frustrating that nothing is wrong, because at least if it was it could be fixed. Being in limbo like this is awful. I'm awaiting my results, due to get them the first week in October. AF is definitely making an appearance today or tomorrow. I have all the usual symptoms. 13 months of trying for me now.

Hi All
Like Flymo I am only in cycle 4 so not sure if I qualify as struggling yet but here I am...hoping I can join?

My cycle length has increased from 30-33 days pre-baby (he is 14 months) to 35-36 days post-baby.

I've been OPKing but not been able to identify an LH surge at all yet.

CM all over the place
No idea what is/isn't going on

phnaar banana (cm all over the place)! sorry! juvenile monday morning efforts!!
af got me, am mixed with disappointed and feeling like it was inevitable after temping and it looking like i ov'd on cd23... I think I'll knock the b-vits on the head this cycle and go au-naturel, just poas and temp. That's all. Not obsessively (ahem)

Banana get yourself some myo- inositol it made my AF turn up after waiting weeks for it and I have Ovd for the first time in 6 months since taking it for three weeks or so?
Sorry to hear AF got you Flymo.

Hi all, just popping my head back in to see how you're getting on (I'm an old-time graduate here for those who don't remember me). Sorry to see there haven't been any more BFPs recently.

village when I was scheduled to have a hycosy they told me to ring on the first day of AF as they usually only carry it out before CD10 to avoid any chance of you being pregnant.

I'm now into the third trimester (hooray!) and have another growth scan next week. DH and I are still struggling to find a name we both like, though we might have had a breakthrough yesterday...