Yo yo!! Calling all Ladybros over 30 TTC #1. Join the Berries aboard the Charabanc of lurrrve. Bring real Champagne, from the actual Champagne region. No Colombian builders allowed.

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The small print:

The Berries have strict entrance criteria: TTC #1 for 12 months+, over 30, NO instadiffers, must have a special pimping pot and absolutely no mention of baby dust/dancing. Not that we're fussy

Current passengers

WildflowerMarmalade 40 - TTC for three years. FET done in June with immune treatments - waiting for result... Six embryos in the freezer after two freeze all cycles.

Minx 35 in August - TTC 2 years. Stage 4 endometriosis, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF booking in appt in July, hoping to start IVF soon after

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. IVF#1 Short protocol July '14 BFN, IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb '15 both Long protocol BFNs. High NK cell immune treatment. Natural FET in June '15, awaiting result.

Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 2 failed ICSI cycles and 1 failed FET. Hoping to start long awaited NHS cycles in late August provided pesky smear test is sorted by then.

Beaky 35, ttc coming up 3 yrs, 2x failed iui 1x long protocol ivf cancelled 1 BFN following IVF

Tigerdog, 34 (soon to be 35) TTC since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF#1 May 2015 resulted in a chemical pregnancy. Now transferring clinics in the hope of a second round of IVF on the NHS and considering an NK cells biopsy in July/August.

barkingtreefrog 36, ttc 3.5 years. clomid bfp summer 2013 then mc @7 weeks, iui bfp summer 2014 then mc @6 weeks. Factor V leiden thrombophilia diagnosed at the repeat mc clinic. IUI bfn Jan 2015, IVF bfn April/May 2015. Currently awaiting nk cells results before a FET possibly in August/September.

Lumen, 35, ttc since Nov 2011, unexplained, two IVF cycles in 2014, both bfns, waiting for lap&dye and results of numerous bloods, aiming for one last IVF cycle.

Kuma - 40. TTC 2.5 years. Low AMH high FSH - DH antisperm ABs. Failed IVF June 14 and March 15. Looking to change clinic and try another natural cycle in June 2015.

Lucieloos, 35, TTC 18 months, low AMH & sperm motility. 1st ICSI in Czech Republic in April BFN.

Rain, 33 ttc since March 2012. unexplained. mystery bfp oct 13, MMC Nov 13. NHS IVF starting in June

Just posted this over on the Infertility board but I'd appreciate some Berry view points too. Haven't stopped crying since I got back last night

Hi all. I'm due (literally any day now) to start my NHS round of IVF after an 18 month wait. Back in March I had a routine smear which came back as 'inconclusive' as there weren't enough cells collected to give a clear result. I had to wait 3 months before having it redone which I did. Yesterday the result again came back as inconclusive for exactly the same reason and I've been told to wait another 3 months and get tested again. Given that it takes at least a month for the result to come back it would be at least mid November before I get the next result. So, do I delay the IVF? I know it's the responsible thing to do but I'm 37.5 and I just feel like time is running out for us. There's no guarantee that they'll collect enough cells next time - this situation could go on for ever! I'd totally geared myself up for this IVF. I've just come back off a lovely 2 week holiday and I've got another 2 weeks off work so I feel ubër chilled. I've been eating healthily and exercising and just think I'm totally in the right place for a cycle right now. I did a FET privately back in May in between my 2 smears without even thinking about it and obviously I'm not using contraception so there's a teeny chance I could have got pg whilst waiting for the result too. Any advice please? Anyone been in a similar situation? Thank you.

happy I think I would just do it anyway. I read somewhere that 75% of inconclusive smears where then found to be normal. I don't know if that's sensible or not, but I don't think I could wait any more. How frustrating. Big hug from me.

Don't give up hope lucie, you're still in the game. Sounds to me that your body has been focusing on the strongest and best eggs rather than spreading out the energy over a higher number. I'm keeping everything crossed for you.

Grr to the NHS bureaucracy and bullshit spare. It's why I hate my job. I would defintely appeal.

Glad the womb room is playing ball minx! I didn't do merional, is it the same as menopur?

So it's all systems go again for you sesame? Exciting. What is your protocol?

beaky so you're stabbing today? Any changes to your protocol this time?

Good luck rain!

Back to work today, sigh. Appt at new FC tomorrow so at least that's something.

Happy, jumping in quickly just to leave a reply to your post. Will the clinic allow you to go ahead with the ivf anyway without a recent smear result and given your 2 attempts to get one? If so I would just go ahead with the treatment, retest in 3m if bfn, retest after your pregnancy if it works. I haven't been in your situation, I think the reason they want you to have a recent smear is that of you were to become pregnant there would be a delay until you can have another test. I think the actual risk of there being any problems is very small and waiting a year before you get tested again probably won't make a lot of difference. And women get diffed naturally all the time without ever having to think of such things.

happy I agree with Sesame, if you can start without the result I would. What a load of crap tho. you'd think after the first one they'd make darn sure they had a mega rummage.

minx and beaky glad your appts went well although I think I just insist that if you two have future appointments at moustache towers on the same day, you need to wear a false moustache so you can spot each other!

Lucie none of that talk, you're still in the game! I can imagine it must be crushing to still not see the improvement you were hoping for but hang in there. FX for excellent fertilisation news

Went for my scan third morning and I do have follies, hooray!
The first nurse couldn't find my right ovary so had to get someone else in who found it straightaway - most thorough probing I've ever had with the trusty dildocam!
Anyway, lining looks fine at 10.4 and follicle wise there were five tiddlers on the left, 7,7,7,8,13 and four bigger ones on the left 9,11,13,15. There were a couple more too small to measure on both sides. Don't really know if these are good numbers size wise but the buses seemed happy so I'll follow their lead.

Staying on the same dose so fx for some good growth between now and Friday.

Oh my God the typos. So sorry! I can confirm there were no buses involved in my scan. it's not that cavernous!!!

Thanks Berries. I'm slightly calmer now. Just rang Cervical Screening Wales for some advice. The nurse was absolutely lovely and said to go ahead with the IVF . I'm not going to mention it to the clinic unless they ask - which they may do as they knew I was waiting for a second smear. Feel a bit silly for sobbing last night now!
Rain great news on your scan! I always relax a bit after the first scan as at least you know all the stabbing is paying off!

Grrrr just typed a huge response and it's all disappeared! To summarise..

Happy - really sorry about smear test but I would still go ahead and hope they don't ask for it and if they do take it from there.

Spare - that's awful about your NHS funding. Is there anything else that can be done?

Rain - yay for good follicles, hope they grow lots.

Thanks for all of your positive words and encouragement yesterday. I know I should also be remaining positive but not expecting miracles now really. I'm already planning my next cycle in my head. Thinking of having one normal af and starting mid September and going back to our first protocol which was short antagonist with cetrotide. We had really good results with this apart from possibly ovulating one follicle so thinking if we try it again but start cetrotide a good few days earlier to try and prevent that. Have to ring at noon to find out how many eggs are mature and have fertilised today so will keep you updated.

Oh no Happy that's shit, what a disappointment after it happening last time too. Is there nothing else they can do? Why do you have to wait 3 months? Big hug

Spare sorry to hear your news too, I hope you can appeal and get somewhere that way.

Sorry berries, I totally missed that there was a new page! I feel so ignorant!

Minx yey! Finally! I am day 1 today too, stabbing starts tonight. How are you feeling? I was in just after 3 but everyone I saw I wondered whether it was you! I am in next Monday for a scan too, then Saturday. EC will either be bank hol Monday (which is not good as dh is away for work at a festival) or the Wednesday. Are you the same?

Happy I think I'd just go for it too. You sound like you're in the right place mentally and I think that's really really important. What does inconclusive really mean? I don't think I could wait either, as tiger says. I also agree with Sesame Also don't feel daft for the sobbing, it's just crushing when it doesn't go to plan so it's totally understandable.

Tiger tomorrow! Woohoo, that's great. I hope you can crack straight on with a new round and a more tailored protocol this time. Fx my lovely.

Rain loved the buses being happy with your progress. Imagining koi with a loudspeaker announcing your follie sizes to passengers! Anyway they sound great to me and plenty there too! Fx for good growth between now and Friday. Yes I am currently growing an actual moustache anyway as I need to go for a wax

Lucie fx for that phone call, don't write this cycle off yet, you never know and 3 eggs means 3 chances. Fx for you.

Merional and menopur are the same just different brands but our clinic uses Merional Minx and Tiger. Minx I won't lie I think the hormones can send you a bit mad with the mood swings, but also maybe you will be fine. I found it helped to remember it was temporary and to try and fill my time with films or books so I had my attention taken away from it. Also dh had to be advised to be on best behaviour! Excited for you finally getting started.

I'm having such weird dreams at the moment, about IVF, babies/twins and Tiger you were in one dream and Jada Pinkett-Smith was your mam. So strange.

Ask got baby bombed on fb this morning

Koi?? That's meant to be you. Ffs!

Made the call and of the 3 eggs retrieved 2 were mature and both fertilised. Obviously it's better than none and I'm really pleased with our fertilisation rates which have been 100% both times but it's been an awful cycle for us and our doctor agrees we should go back to short cycle with cetrotide. I think we will need a miracle to get these to day 5 for freezing!

lol beaky have you been watching Magic mike? ;)

Good news Lucie. 2 in the freezer is a good start!
Beaky the smear is inconclusive because there aren't enough cells there to give a clear result. You have to wait 3 months between tests to give new cells chance to grow. Apparently if I get a 3rd inconclusive test they'll do a colposcopy - where they look at your cervix with a giant microscope
Definitely going to go for the IVF this cycle now provided the FC don't find out about the smear situation and stop me. Just waiting for AF to play ball.
at "..and Jada Pinkett-Smith was your mam

spare I’m so angry for you about that letter, what a load of crap! Is there anything you can do to challenge the decision?

minx hooray for an empty womb room! That sounds luck a lot of drugs, let’s hope that brings a lovely crowd of follicles to come out and party in that single ovary of yours. Love rain’s vision of you and beaky rendez vousing with false taches!

rain hooray for follicles! That looks like a good number. Glad the buses were happy! Fingers crossed for some good follicular growth for Friday!

beaky, I’m terrified of having twinnies, but not enough to stop me from asking them to transfer as many embryos as I’m allowed. Good luck for stabbing later and sorry about the fb baby bomb. Do you start Buserelin today and add the stims in tomorrow?

tiger good luck for your appt tomorrow, hope it goes well!

happy so glad you’re feeling better and have a plan now.

lucie glad you got good fertilization news. When’s transfer?

tiger and minx I’m on short flare protocol, take my last pill tonight and start stabbing on Monday.

I just bumped into an old colleague. His wife got diffed on their third round of ICSI and is due in a few weeks time. They have been through such a lot to get there, it would be lovely to finally see those baby photos.

Sesame, I'm not having transfer this time I'm freezing any that make it to day 5 as I believe frozen transfer has health benefits for embryo and is less stressful on body. Good luck with your treatment.

Lucie great news that you got 2 out of 3. Would you not think of going ahead with transfer of you are worried about them making it?

Sesame yey for your friend! That's good news I so hope I get a good news story myself. I'm short antagonistic protocol so I've been in the pill for a month, I start stabbing with 450 of gonal-f (due to v poor response) tonight and add cetrotide in from day 7 (Sunday) so fx eh!

Minx crazy! We are moustachio cycle buddies. Because I'm a different protocol I stim with gonal-f instead, and max dose because I'm a poor responder with low OR.

Happy that is so annoying. Just tell them it was clear if they ask.

Nolly I wish!

Thanks beaky, no I discussed with the doctor and if they don't make it to blast in the lab they won't in the body either. There's no point doing a day 3 transfer for that reason so it's all just a matter of waiting to see what happens now. Good luck with your stabbing tonight.

A lot of doctors don't believe in doing day 3 transfers but sometimes people would rather have something to transfer than nothing at all if they waited until day 5. This isn't just specific to me there has been a lot of research on fresh over frozen and there are lots of benefits for the embryo. My UK consultant had said she thinks the NHS will go that way too before long and all transfers will be frozen. There is a big study being done and she said the results will be out in January.

Flaming nora! Mumsnet is under siege! Haven't been able to get in at all since yesterday.

beaky Jada Pinkett!!!! Hahaa! based on Magic Mike she'd make an... interesting, Mum! I also liked your typo and am now imaging giant koi driving buses to and from the fertility clinic. How did the first stabbing go?
I managed to stab myself in the finger with the menopur needle last night, so hard that it bent! IT REALLY FUCKING HURT! But I was a big girl and I didn't cry, although I swore a lot and then stressed about whether I'd accidentally injected any of the stims mix into my finger (I don't think I did). You'd think I'd be a pro at this by now!! Such a klutz.

lucie how are the embies going? I sort of see what you're saying about Day 3 v Day 5. My clinic prefers to put them back at Day 3 if none are looking awesome as they figure your womb is a better home than a petri dish. Haven't we had a Berry BFP from a Day 3 before? Maybe I am imagining that!

Rain yeah we've had at least two day 3 berry bfps that I can remember. There's no way of knowing whether an embryo would survive in the womb but not in the lab, or vice versa. You simply cannot test that, it's a non sequitur. But what can be said is that blastocyst transfers as a whole have a higher live birth rate than other transfers. The problem for me is that when I only have two embryos anyway, and there is no conclusive proof either way as to whether they are better off in my womb or in the lab, they may as well go back in to their natural environment. NHS clinics will transfer at day 3 when there are only very few embryos as their general view is that they are better off where they should be. To be fair, it's a quite depressing topic eh!

Rain that must've knacked! I once stabbed myself in the hand by accident but not very hard although I did draw blood! Maybe your finger will develop some mood swings and get a bit bloated my first stab was fine, I feel good to be going again, I'm just hoping for better quality this time. Eek. When are you scheduled for EC?

Tiger very best of luck for your consultation today, fx you can start ASAP.

Barking are you this or next Thursday for your consultation?

Morning Berries. My clinic would transfer on day 3 if you only have 1 or 2 embies. As Beaky says it's impossible to know whether embies transferred on day 3 would have gone on to blast in the lab or not. But we certainly have had some day 3 success here.
For once AF is playing ball and turned up this morning right on time for baseline tomorrow. Did those of you taking DHEA carry on through stimms and if so at what point did you stop?