Yo yo!! Calling all Ladybros over 30 TTC #1. Join the Berries aboard the Charabanc of lurrrve. Bring real Champagne, from the actual Champagne region. No Colombian builders allowed.

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The small print:

The Berries have strict entrance criteria: TTC #1 for 12 months+, over 30, NO instadiffers, must have a special pimping pot and absolutely no mention of baby dust/dancing. Not that we're fussy

Current passengers

WildflowerMarmalade 40 - TTC for three years. FET done in June with immune treatments - waiting for result... Six embryos in the freezer after two freeze all cycles.

Minx 35 in August - TTC 2 years. Stage 4 endometriosis, both tubes blocked, 1 buried ovary, IVF booking in appt in July, hoping to start IVF soon after

Smidge 39, TTC since Jan '13. Unexplained. IVF#1 Short protocol July '14 BFN, IVF#2 Nov'14 and IVF#3 Feb '15 both Long protocol BFNs. High NK cell immune treatment. Natural FET in June '15, awaiting result.

Happylass, 37, TTC since Aug 2012. 2 failed ICSI cycles and 1 failed FET. Hoping to start long awaited NHS cycles in late August provided pesky smear test is sorted by then.

Beaky 35, ttc coming up 3 yrs, 2x failed iui 1x long protocol ivf cancelled 1 BFN following IVF

Tigerdog, 34 (soon to be 35) TTC since Jan 2013. Unexplained. IVF#1 May 2015 resulted in a chemical pregnancy. Now transferring clinics in the hope of a second round of IVF on the NHS and considering an NK cells biopsy in July/August.

barkingtreefrog 36, ttc 3.5 years. clomid bfp summer 2013 then mc @7 weeks, iui bfp summer 2014 then mc @6 weeks. Factor V leiden thrombophilia diagnosed at the repeat mc clinic. IUI bfn Jan 2015, IVF bfn April/May 2015. Currently awaiting nk cells results before a FET possibly in August/September.

Lumen, 35, ttc since Nov 2011, unexplained, two IVF cycles in 2014, both bfns, waiting for lap&dye and results of numerous bloods, aiming for one last IVF cycle.

Kuma - 40. TTC 2.5 years. Low AMH high FSH - DH antisperm ABs. Failed IVF June 14 and March 15. Looking to change clinic and try another natural cycle in June 2015.

Lucieloos, 35, TTC 18 months, low AMH & sperm motility. 1st ICSI in Czech Republic in April BFN.

Rain, 33 ttc since March 2012. unexplained. mystery bfp oct 13, MMC Nov 13. NHS IVF starting in June

It is super cautious Smidge - and they've actually scaled it back from 16dpo5dt!

Lucie This link goes into lots more detail on the whole antagonist protocol, diminished ovarian reserve, LH thing. I can't say I really understood it all, but it is interesting. It also mentions oestrogen priming, which I guess is a very mild form of down reg(?). I had this on my cycles along with Cetrotide. My AMH was 2.7 so way worse than yours.

I've forgotten to bring my Crinone gel with me today, but it'll be fine won't it?

Lucie you would start down regging on cd2 with short protocol so I'm guesting it would stop the LH before it has chance to do anything. On my first cycle I started it a day before the stimms. We have an appointment at CRGW next Saturday too! It's our follow up from the failed FET 6 weeks ago (DH booked the appt!). Not sure if it's with Amanda but our other follow ups have been.

Aww thanks wild and happy you are both brilliant. I also emailed penny in serum about our situation and asked what they would do differently if we decided to go there. She gave 3 options.

1. Take the cetrotide earlier when my first follicle reaches 16mm which is what I thought I would be doing!

1. Try an agonist protocol which I think is what you are talking about happy with the down reg to suppress the LH and ovulation until the follicles are mature but she said this may give me less eggs because of the suppression.

1. Have a clomid embryo banking cycle which I hadn't heard of combined with hysteroscopy and then a FET the following month. Clomid apparently prevents early ovulation and gives the best quality eggs but has a negative effect on the lining so has to be a fet. She reckons the Hysteroscopy with implantation cuts improves chances to 65%

Game over, they won't continue this cycle. still barely any growth at cd11, follies are 5mm and lining 4mm. they think that with high FSH that if I'm not showing signs of ovulating at this point the FSH will be compromising the egg quality. given that I'm not even close to ovulating my next cycle will definitely coincide with my summer holiday, then once we're back DH starts working overseas so can't see how we could fit in another cycle. all really disappointing . For my sanity I may step away from the thread for now, but good luck everyone especially Smidge and wild

The blinkers can't hide me from the dull low cramping that has been with me all evening. And yet the crinone remnants haven't really gone pink yet. Arghh. Mindfuck! Not sure about testing early. I was actually planning to use up all my hpts this time to draw a line under it, but now I'm way too scared to consider touching one! The cramping doesn't feel good though

Wild I'm pretty sure it takes a good couple of days for the progesterone to leave your body so you will be fine being 12 hours late with a dose. Also with a FET your body will be producing its own anyway, so the crinone is a mere top up, belt & braces jobby.

Oh Kuma I'm so sorry. Particularly given the bad timing. I know how much harder it is to handle when you can't put a new plan in place.

Thanks for your best wishes. for you and lots of booze.

Ohh Kuma I'm so sorry I know how hard and disappointing it is. I hope you can enjoy your summer holiday and maybe have a rethink then. DH could do a frozen sperm sample?

For anyone who is interested in the cetrotide debate penny had got back to me again as I asked if in her opinion it could slow growth and said that my clinic won't start me on it until my largest follicle is way over 16mm. This is what she said..

Cetrotide is used to prevent an LH surge and early ovulation. LH surge occurs when the follicle reach the size of 17-18 mm approximately, therefore by having it on day 9 when your follicle would have reached size 18 mm based on your scan would be late as ovulation wouldn't be able to prevent.
It has the risk of slowing the growth of the other follicles somehow this is why sometimes we increase the stimulation dosage a little bit when we start the Cetrotide.
I believe it would be worth trying it again by starting it earlier and monitor the follicle development until they reach the right size for ovulation induction.

Ohhh I've been offered a consultation date at Gennet!! What to do!

Oh Kuma that really sucks. I'm so sorry.

Oh Kuma that is beyond shitty. I'm so very sorry . We are always here as and when you need us.
Lucie I thought what you did with the Cetrotide was the antagonist protocol? I just did the regular short protocol which only differs from the long protocol in that you down reg and stim at the same time.

Happy, theantagonist is the one with cetrotide but there is also a different short flare protocol which is where you down reg at same time as stimms and thats called agonist protocol.

Oh kuma I hope you're ok and I'm sorry that your cycle has been cancelled. Hope you have a chance to talk through with your DH and come up with a plan.

Great new thread happy, very amusing title!

So rain you'll be kicking off in no time. Exciting!

smidge everything tightly crossed for you. The last bit of the 2ww is such a mindfuck.

lucie does that mean you would consider moving your treatment to gennet? You seem to be taking it all in your stride, and you're very knowledgable about your treatment - I'm impressed!

Your OTD is late wild. I guess that a reliable result will be possible from the equivalent of 14dpo but perhaps testing later will avoid the chemical pregnancy nightmare I had. Still, it feels important to me to know that, even if it was for a matter of days, I was pregnant. Amazing cake by the way, love it. Hope Mr Wild enjoyed it!

Nice to see you back funky! Although of course hopefully you'll have the FET and then you'll FET off outta here upduffed!

Minx and barking how are you doing? Any sign of the NK result barking. I think I'm going to delay doing mine till Aug as otherwise I risk having it done on my birthday. I also fancy a couple of natural ttc cycles in between more treatment.

Yo ladybro nolly! How are you?

I'm in the hairdressers and I'm having a glass of wine whilst my highlights do their thing. I have had a super healthy week so I am having a little treat. . Busy weekend ahead with friends and family in London so will be pausing the detox for a day or so!

Happy weekend all!

Thanks Lucie. I've never heard it called agonist. The FC has always just called it 'short' and that's what's been on all my paperwork - you learn something new every day!
Tiger hope you're enjoying your vino. I have a bonus 3 day weekend to look forward to so will be indulging too. Have a good one all.

Aww thanks tiger, I'm terrified inside if I'm honest but I just want it to work so much I will put whatever I possibly can into it. I always wanted to go with Gennet as they are so advanced in their techniques and technology and their embryologists are meant to be top class but the wait always put me off. I'm going to take the consultation to keep the door open but I am hopefully going to try and fit in one more cycle with my current clinic. Not because I think they know what they are doing but just because I know the doctor I am with now will probably agree to let me do whatever I want and I really want to give things a try doing things my way and the way I think I need to be treated. I know it sounds a bit much for me to basically be saying that I know better than my doctor but I really have researched so much and got many second opinions and I would really like to give it a go before moving elsewhere as I don't know how open they would be with me coming along with my own ideas. So plan is one more try in current clinic and then if I don't get good results from that move onto Gennet.

Oh Kuma. How very sad. So sorry that this hasn't worked out for you this time round. I hope you can come up with a new plan. Perhaps a frozen sample from DH would be the answer? I really hope you can find a solution that fits in with your future arrangements.

Happy and Lucie, I have to be honest and say I'm a bit lost with your chat! It all sounds very complex!

Wild, that's a very long time indeed for OTD. I would be pimping early for sure. ...Smidge, don't panic. Sending relaxing, embryo nestling in, thoughts your way.

Hellooo Tiger. I keep slipping in and out of Berry HQ, but hopefully I'll be FET'ting out of here for good soon and taking you all along with me.

I just got some wobenzym in the post. Bit scared of taking it though. Not sure why I ordered it really.

Funky I have to ask, what the hell is Wobenzym?? Sounds like a Polish city!!

Pip you've not been forgotten! Just didn't know what you wanted me to put in the list.

Pipbin - Mother of Berries and Best in Show.

Pip, you suit that title very well.

Happy, wobenzym is some kind of plant enzyme that allegedly can help with the immune side of things. There's not much written about it though so I'm nervous to take it now. Someone told me they were talking about it being useful on a mumsnet thread, but I can't find the info now! Barking, so you recognise it from miscarriage thread?

Only catching up now, kuma, I'm so so sorry that your cycle was cancelled. Just absolutely tons of and a massive hug. always here if you need us.

Has anyone ever started again straight away after a cancelled cycle? I'm thinking it won't be so bad as I didn't have egg collection so ovaries no punctured and stressed and have read a lot of articles which more recent studies show it doesn't make much difference and can even help some with low reserve. I don't know what to do. Whether to have a baseline scan to check for cysts and bloods and take it from there or just wait longer?