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Hello all

Dropping by for a catch up as rarely get time to come on here, making the most of the light evenings after work with my horse and trying to take my mind off ttc

lucie so sorry to read your news, as I was hopping through the last 20 odd pages I was so hoping to see a bfp from you. There was a couple on obem that had been trying 7 years and they finally got their baby on 3rd round of ivf, im sure you will get yours too

sammy I agree with the others and defo think you should go private, I don't think you should put yourself through anymore waiting

sparkly excellent news so pleased things are going well, must have been such a relief to get a heartbeat!!

Congrats to the 2 bfps

juney good luck with the hot date

oyster best of luck for your big day tomorrow xx

hi to everyone else cd13 here and still 10 days or so till ovulation. So bored of waiting for ovulation then tww just to get a bfn! Have a day 3 test done though and booked for day 21 test next Friday, which I guess will show ive not ovulated because I dont expect I will have by then, but that's when my dr told me to book it for so that's what ive done!

Hope everyone has a fab bank holiday weekend

Enjoy the weekend. x

Sorry Eskimo if it sounded like I was belittling your experience. It wasn't meant to be taken like that :-(

Sammy the GP will be able to go on choose and book and see when the next appointment is at different clinics, and then send a referral letter to say what needs doing in the appointment. It could be worth a try.

eskimo sorry it was awful for you but so pleased your tubes looked good!!

eskimo hiya!! Glad your tubes are in fine order despite the ordeal today

Oh chops I'm just still a little bit sensitive about it, but thank you. I know you wouldn't say anything to belittle anyone. It's just been such a hard day, y'know?

Boris to get through these four days!!!

Sparkly, I knew it! You did it! That there embryo is a determined little tyke, innit! You must have wanted to explode with relief when you saw that flicker..there's nowt else like it

Lucie, the despair and hopelessness you are feeling now will lift, I promise. When will Reprofit talk with you about the results and what they consider to be the cause of failed implantation? They will probably be waiting for official OTD, yes? Does your clinic demand beta blood test to confirm? I know Gennet does, which is heartbreaking for those who've already tested at home and had a bfn.

Lucie, before I start wittering on with my thoughts and suggestions, please can you remind me of your fertility journey thus far; your AMH (if you know it); your age; DH's sperm analysis results etc. I am desperately sorry it didn't work first time. Take the time to grieve and feel angry and let down, then get back to planning that next round (if finances permit). I am sorry I'm asking questions you've already answered, but you know the nature of these threads; we can't remember the details

Everyone else, please forgive me, I've been unable to read beyond Lucie and Sparkly's news (oh my goodness I forgot Yokyil! I knew it love! I knew it! Congratulations ) and have just returned from a meet-up with DH's son and his foster carers and my parents and Nancy. It was a amazing but we are shattered, so I can't do a catch-up until tomorrow

Oh..forgot to say...had my appointment with the job coach this morning. Turns out I will be £48 per week better off working after I deduct travel fares. Suffice to say I won't be returning

Purds thanks lovely missed you today! I knew you would be on hand to offer advice to Lucie sounds like you have a crazy busy day! So glad the meet up went well., as for the meeting today.. £48? Yep. I think you know what you want to do on that front... Sending to you. Look forward to hearing all about your day Tomor! Get a good rest

Cant blame you for not wanting to stick with the job purdie it really is soul destroying if you're not getting anything out of it. I hope something else comes along more rewarding and worth putting the hours in for

Hi there purdie, thanks for your message, it's been a long hard day. A lot of people have said 7dp5dt can still be too early but I don't think so really. I think DH and I are going to do one final test together on Sunday morning just to be sure and then I will have to go for the blood test on Tuesday just to double check before I stop taking the progesterone. I will then contact the clinic and talk it over with them and see what they suggest for next time.

I am 35 (36 in a couple of months) DH is also 35. He has low sperm motility. On his last test his overall motility was slightly over what they ask for but his fast progressive sperm was around 19% instead of 32%. His sperm count is amazing though so I don't know if that can make up for the motility a bit. On his last test his count was 202million whereas it only needs to be 39 million. His morphology has been variable. On one test it was a whopping 35% and then on others only around 1-2%

I have a low AMH of 7.3 so never going to get huge numbers of eggs but 7 seemed like a fairly decent number this time around. I've not had a hysterscopy or hsg as was told it wasn't needed as haven't had any previous ops or pregnancies so unlikely to have any problems but I'm considering a hysterscopy before the next round just to double check. My fsh levels are fairly decent at 7. That's about it really I think.

Thanks to everyone for all your messages today, they have been a great comfort to me. Sorry I haven't been able to send replies to everyone individually

Just very quickly, Lucie, Gennet insist on the hysteroscopy or they won't proceed with the cycle. They absolutely refuse to go ahead with IVF (and potentially fuck their success rates up) without first checking that the woman's womb and lining is tip-top (they also perform the endometrial scratch whilst you are there).

Lucie, please don't be alarmed but I suspect the problem lies with your DH. The reason I say this is that failing embryos after day three are always down to issues with the sperm. I think you had rapid decline after day three, am I right? And, please forgive me for saying this, but the embryoscope (which I know is not available at Reprofit) can reveal a hell of a lot to the embryologists when they view the time-lapse video footage after day three (which is when abnormalities really begin to emerge if they are going to). I know this is probably of no use to you because you had none left over to freeze (another sign that there may be sperm issues).

I hope I'm not speaking out of turn; it's just stuff I've learned over several years on many IVF forums and talks with embryologists and cons.

Thanks purdie, yes the sperm isn't great. I know Reprofit say that a large amount of cases where embryos fail to implant is down to genetic abnormalities which increase with age and are largely down to egg quality so at my age something like 40% of eggs won't be viable anyway and it takes time to get lucky and find the ones that are. We thought about doing the chromosome screening although with just the two at day 5 it seemed little point. We thought we may as well just stick them in and then we would know.

We could do a fragmentation test with dh's sperm but we used PICSI this time which should have selected the genetically viable sperm for use with fertilisation so even if he did have some fragmentation this should have largely overcome that and so I think we may have had an unlucky batch of eggs

Oh crikey, I forgot you had PICSI. That changes everything. What have you read about FSH levels? How do you feel about yours? How many rounds would it take to make you consider donor eggs (don't worry about offending me if you want to shriek, 'NEVER!')?

Ha ha purdie I wouldn't say never but at our age we would want to give it a good few more goes yet and also do genetic testing etc. If I was in my 40s I would definitely consider using them.

I was told that an fsh of below 9 was excellent and no real problems there so I'm happy enough with that. I think it all comes down to egg quality really and we may need a few goes before we hopefully get our lucky batch! I've had a few people at the various clinics tell me not to worry and that I am young (even though I don't think I am but maybe I am relatively youngish in ivf terms) and that it will happen so will just have to wait and see I guess. They gave us 50% chance of this cycle working with the 2 good blasts that they transferred back which I thought was pretty good odds but just not good enough!

Morning

Boris, I hope the weekend with the visitors is better than expected.

Bean, lovely to see you. why did your doc tell you to have 21 days bloods before you've ov'd? Seems like a waste of time but I guess when they come back negative there will still be time for you to have them done again this cycle when you have ov'd yes?

Purdie, 48! That's shit I hope something else comes along for
You soon.

Who's next to poas? I'm 10dpo but won't poas without some good symptoms of which I have none!

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend

I forgot Eskimo as someone else said June isn't too far away. It gives you chance to think about what you'd like to do. If it was me I'd probably take the clomid if it's offered but I'm impatient and if things can be helped along then why not!

Ooh Kate's in labour, looks like we may have a royal baby announcement later today

And we''re going to the chapel and we''re going to get married... Happy wedding day oyster, I really hope you are too busy to read this

Happy bank holiday weekend all :)

Eskimo, that sounds a rather horrid experience. I am so unbelievably of your sucky-uppy tubes. Honestly, I would give my right tube for that In no time at all but after a nice dose of Clomid you'll be preggo. No doubt about it

Bozzer, who are these friends who are tramping all over your house? Are they lovely? Is DH being all nice and accommodating and pleasant and good-husbandy? I'll bet he is. Grr.

Sammy, if you've decided to pay private (good for you!) then I wouldn't wait a single month more for this hycosy. I know you'll be a-trembling after Eskimo and Dizzy's experiences, but will it be any less painful for DH being there? If you move on to IVF there will be all kinds of appointments and procedures you'll have to attend alone (that's why IVF becomes a very lonely for some women; it suited me down to the ground because men simply get in the way - I even went for all scans and heartbeat checks, bar the 20-wk one, alone).

I don't mean to poo-poo the whole needing-support-from-husbands thing, but I know how desperately impatient you are to get this thing done. Why wait?

Spinning, yes it is shit, isn't it? I don't know if you've noticed but I put a photo of the results of the 'Better Off In Work' results for my family on facebook, asking mums-of-tots friends if they would do the job if they were me. It was no surprise to see the yummy-mummies with husbands on £70k a year and two Range Rovers in the driveway coming on to tell me how essential it was for them to return two days a week after building up a career from university Oh, do fuck off, dear. Anyone can happily work two days a week at their glittering career and get paid a small fortune for it whilst daddy flies to Hong Kong for yet another prostitute global accounts meeting. Grr. I'd like to see them leaving their tot for 37 hours a week to be £48 better off.

..and those who came on to tell me how they work a forty hour week plus twenty hours commuting (costing £5k a year) largely to prove to their daughters that women can do just as well as men can frankly go fuck themselves. Bloody feminists.

Purdie With childcare fees costing £38 per day in my area... it would be returning to work for a tenner for the yummy mummies. Seriously? No one would do that!!!!

Oyster!, have a spiffing day, my lovely. You're going to look gorgeous!

Spinners, good for you; testing at 10dpo is plain daft. A lady over on the TTC over forty thread - who is 49 in November! - has got her bfp

I hate Kate Middleton. Such a fucking boring young woman. Insipid as they come. And to deny us the bump shot right throughout her pregnancy is just shitty, IMO. Her subjects want to see her fat arse, innit/

spinning very exciting! I love a bit of royal news!

Purdie only you know if it is worth working - you know I couldn't have been without it but I think I'm in the minority, especially reading your Facebook!

oyster happy wedding day!!!!

Wotsist, another friend (whom I like immensely) works two days a week as a teacher and on a posh meats stall in a trendy food emporium on a Saturday (she is paid but largely does it cos it's fun and she's fat and probably eats a whole hog roast in her break). Her pay packet this month was £350 and her childcare fees (she has a three- and a one-year-old tot) were £500 What is all that about? Why would you shove the one year-old in a nursery to work two days a week and be worse off? It's not like you can't go back to teaching whenever you want. Load of bollocks if you ask me. Some folk clearly don't like their kids