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In the UK there are an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 people who are gender non conforming yet less than 5000 have actually applied for a gender recognition certificate to change their legal gender â?? and only about 15,000 have sought clinical support. So the vast majority of trans people remain in secret or have found a way to deal with their gender issues without medical or surgical treatment.

I agree DizzyNorth, I understand why it needs to be able to be addressed at a young age but we really do need to define how young is too young. 6 years old and being away of transgender is scary.

The evidence is interesting. You hear of transgender adults saying that they knew at a young age that they were in the wrong body but I wonder how many young children will end up going through gender changes just because they like playing with toys that don't align with their genders stereotypes. Maybe we need a gender-friendly equivalent of the Gillick competency/Fraser guidelines?

Welcome newbies!

Alpha - we are almost stat twins as I have been TTCing no. 1 since Christmas and was 31 when started - have turned 32 since. Best of luck to you.

Twinkle - I think your approach has been very restrained so far. I was OPKing, temping and analysing vag goo from the word go. I totally get what you mean about always having wanted it combined with always thinking somehow you won't. Glad it's not just my mad brain that thinks that way.

Louis Theroux sounds really interesting - have to have a look! I saw a vid going round on FB recently about a 10 year old transgender that made me blub my eyes out. High school is a cruel, cruel place (and that's just for the teachers ;-0) so I am glad some kids are overcoming these battles before they have to contend with that too.

sparkly, I've decided the best way to look at your situation is to think that spotting and cramping is how your body reacts to early pregnancy and the reason the last one didn't stick was nothing to do with these but because it was chromosomally abnormal. I know if and when I am in your situation I will be a gibbering wreck so appreciate this may not be very helpful but I really think this is very likely the case and that there is no reason beany will not stick this time round.

Ooooof I'm feeling fuzzy after sharing a bottle of vino with DH. Great prep for my first ever run. To those that asked yes I'm doing the couch to 5k and no DH doesn't have a fracture just knackered foot, knee and thigh from over use!

I am going to pound this AF out of me, by running and Errrm the other fing.

Welcome to the newbies

Juney I can't seem to add myself to the stats. Should I be able to? Or can you add me? 32, no.1, cycle 3(ish), no idea about OTD.

Transgender hadn't been invented when I was a tot. It was called 'being a tomboy' and required very little surgery. I don't know whether to love or hate Louis Thorax. He just seems so damned bewildered all the time, not to mention condescending.

DizzyN I love reading your posts and wish they were more frequent. If I run three times a week will I lose belly fat?

I hope my dad has remembered the 'unusual' plant sale tomorrow. It's his last night with gold-digging gypsy scrote tonight so no doubt he's skint

5ml of spunk tonight. Just sayin'...

Lots of 'tonights' in that last post. Soz.

ibeka I can add you tomorrow (have hopped into bed)

5 ml

5ml sounds pretty good, Your Majesty.

I asked DH the other day if he would do it in a pot, so I could see how much comes out. He told me at least 50ml every time because he is amazing.

No self esteem issues there then!

sparkly!! And tessie!!

So exciting! Thrilled to bits for you both xxxx

Thanks for making me feel better ibeka

I think children have enough to contend with in this day and age; I see children on a daily/weekly basis who have so much shit to deal with. Being called James when you're a girl, North West, Bear Blue, come on guys! Seriously?

I don't think young children should be given the label transgender just because they feel different, or like to play with different toys. Lots of children go through these phases and grow out of them, however if they are surrounded by adults constantly telling them that they are transgender, then it may well become a self fulfilling prophecy.

I felt maybe a few if the parents might have been quick to label, but then on the flip side if you know, you know and if you can stop the changes before it happens then do what is best for your child regardless of what anyone else thinks. But hey that's just my thoughts and were all different and deal with stuff different.

I love Lou I think his geeky awkward appearance is endearing I clearly have a crush on Louis Theroux, in fact I have a bit of hankering for any bespectacled geeky looking chaps

I like him too, although there are times and places for his condescension - I think he has to do it sometimes to provoke reactions. I have watched a lot of his stuff now.

This is one of Louis' comments and it was quoted on the gender speak website. I think it's a really fitting and apt quote. â??The choice to transition involves the possibility of social rejection and a lifetime of commitment to medication, but it is also the chance to exercise the most fundamental right we have â?? The right to be ourselves. In the end the hardest part of the challenge may be knowing who it is we really are.â??

I also think medically and scientifically we are in a wonderful place to be able to enable those changes if needed. Even if we don't have age quite figures out yet, nor the reproductive side of it

Just reread the first line of my last post and I don't think it came across how I wanted it to. I don't mean that he should be condescending or have the right to be condescending, just that he does it to provoke reaction.

Marys ha ha I thought we were gonna be having another cat fight there a la last nights shenanigans! Thanks lovely, that's so nice of you to say. Really hope you are keeping positive

Yokyil didn't go up nope, so many people there though!! Did you see the dress? I think the whole world prob has by now!

Mummy sounds like a busy day. So sorry to hear about your friend, it's heartbreaking. so difficult to watch someone go through,I'm sure you are a great comfort and support to her. Sorry about dh.. Tomor is the day love!!

Fifi wow! 9 weeks?! Time flying in! Good to hear you are ok. Thanks for the advice and info, fingers crossed. Lovely to see you are still popping in on us

Night I don't fancy a tantrum so I think I'll stay put...!

Butterypants wow. What a lovely post. That's so nice of you. Thank you for that. Honestly can't believe the kindness of you ladies. It's amazing.i shall be here regardless of what happens.. Thank you

Gidders glad alls good!!

ibeka glad today has been a no tear zone! I hear you on that. It's tough. But you will get through it, absolutely 100% you will. Thank you for the pep talk.. Was great! Totally made me feel positive going to sleep. Thank you!! I shall return the favour when your time comes.. Very soon!

Spinning I am going nowhere. Time will tell. I hope so much your cousins will pull together, I'm sure they will stand together through this time and always make your dear Uncle proud. So sad for them and you all, but they will get through it together and they have your family support too.

Charms welcome to the madhouse!

Choppers are we sticking to this new name? Fingers still crossed for you

Night deep breathing lovely. You are almost there!!

Alpha welcome to you! Lots of knowledge and support here.. Sure you will love it!

Purds touch and feel flaps!! Remember the old scratch and sniffs?!

Twinkle as a fellow sparkly I low your name! Welcome! Yes that's a good day 21 progesterone lovely! You are good to go don't worry! I know it's hard not to let the worry creep in. But you have a good day 21 and that's a very good place to start! Thank you for being so kind.. You shall fit in well here!

DizzyNorth oh thank you so much but honestly when you Lot say these things I just can't take it in without expressing my total disbelief as you are all totally the same in my book, love you all!!!

Purdie 5ml?! Are you serious?!? Unbelievable! Hope you get to the plant sale with Papa Purds Tomor. Sounds right up my street.

Heir I was thinking of you yesterday!!! Thanks sweets. How are you?!?

Eskimo love the sex!! Yes!! Did you enjoy Scotland? Surely knowing you were only an hour away from me

Nomio yeh three newbies in one day?! Have we made ourselves more approachable after last nights debacle?! Surely not. Ha ha

Froggy thanks love. So sweet. Hope you are ok. Didn't watch Louis but always watch his shows. Forgot it was on!

DizzyMerry sorry about the cold. Ginger and lemon (fresh) get it down you! Blast it away!

Sorry all for shit cycle fives. My view on cycles are screwed because of January's BFP so I can't really comment. But cycle six for you lot...! It's the one!

North West is insane. But I see they tried to just name her North.. Like, as in- no surname. Like Madonna. Are these people for real?!?

Oh and here you lot.... Eh hello, why wasn't I told about Blackpool?!

Here are my stats for new bus:

32, TTC #1, cycle 6, bfp due 19th April

Chart dipped already.... Probably not the best sign!!

Chart:

Yay for all the newbies, glad to see that HMPurdie has laid our the rules regarding the correct terms of address May your journeys be incredibly short!

I watched Louis and DH and I came close to calling off TTC over our differing opinions! Thankfully I have now brought him round to my way of thinking . He didn't realise that the latest evidence shows that gender dysmorphia is caused by what happens in the womb and is therefore not a choice.

Obviously there will be some children for whom wanting to dress and act like the opposite sex is a phase but I think that if a child still feels like that as they hit puberty then they should be allowed hormone treatment. As the doctor explained for those children who don't receive treatment the suicide risk is so high it kind of outweighs the risk of the child having got it wrong. My understanding is that the hormone treatment is reversible also.

Nice chart woodpigeon. Implantation dip?

Morning

Welcome Twinkle, wow your gp is fab! You'll have us all moving to your house to be able to see him and get tests

Purdey, she really was a psycho. She spent all his morning while he was in hospital, didn't go to visit him in 8 months and sent him and his son threatening letters. Her son was at the funeral having worked with Uncle for years. He was lovely and had some great stories about Uncle.

Anyway enough funeral talk. This morning my temp has dipped to just above the cover line. I was woken by dp at 5am but I do think af will arrive today Think I'll go to Boots and get my syringes ready for AI.

Night, how are you feeling today? Who else is due to test?

Sparkly, I'm sure you're trying not to think too far ahead but what is your edd?

Anyone doing anything nice today? Ds is with his Dad until 5pm. I can't wait to see him and have a big cuddle

Sorry about temp dip spinning :(

Have decided not to test until AF is late according to its latest range (so Wednesday) although like you my stomach feels as though she may arrive today which is the most common CD for her to arrive :(

Today I am going for a run, making DH's birthday cake and taking him out for dinner :)

Wood, that could be an implantation dip. Do you look at 'charts like mine' on FF. Great time waster

Ah Night, that sounds like a nice day. Happy Birthday to Mr.Night

Wth. When I left the thread yesterday night there were 96 post and now there are 200? You gabbers!