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Rolling rolling rolling, the February bus is still rolling!

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juneybean · 09/02/2015 21:04

Here we are...

Rolling rolling rolling, the February bus is still rolling!
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loopylou1984 · 12/02/2015 13:09

Hi Spinning

This is cycle 16 for me, and yes we have had all initial tests done and have ultrasound booked for April... April just feels so far away. We were wondering if we could have ultrasound/HyCoSy privately and then swap back to nhs if we need IVF etc? X

australopithecus · 12/02/2015 13:21

I shouldn't have had chocolate. Why didn't you all stop me! Now DC is awake and my stomach hurts. Sad

purdeybirdie · 12/02/2015 13:26

Spinning, what excites me your chart is that increasing research points to a sudden and steep rise in temp around 8-10dpo as being more indicative of implantation than a dip. This theory certainly was borne out in my pregnancy chart when I conceived Nancy and I've seen it loads on the FF gallery of charts; you see it much, much more than you see the 'classic' implantation dip:

Rolling rolling rolling, the February bus is still rolling!
purdeybirdie · 12/02/2015 13:30

Aaargh! Wrong chart! Here is the pregnancy one..

Rolling rolling rolling, the February bus is still rolling!
Sparkly123 · 12/02/2015 13:32

That sure is steep Purdey

spinningirl10 · 12/02/2015 13:32

That's interesting Purdey, I've not heard that before. All these months spent waiting for a temp dip! I will remain calm but quietly hopefulSmile

Sparkly123 · 12/02/2015 13:34

Spinning in envious of your state of calm ... Must be all that kale and quinoa...(currently eating one of the two... Wink )

Sparkly123 · 12/02/2015 13:34

*I'm ... not in!

spinningirl10 · 12/02/2015 13:35

Wow that's a good rise there Purdey, thanks for posting it.

purdeybirdie · 12/02/2015 13:37

Juney, I'm sorry if this patronises you, but are you sure you have exhausted all avenues regarding sperm from male friends? Is there any chance that there are altruistic guys out there like austral's amazing hubs who would lob you some samples for free at a low cost? I feel bad for you that you are thwarted by shite shipping practices and minimal spunk. Where do you live? Don't out yourself if you don't want to.

victoria401 · 12/02/2015 13:37

Afternoon

sammy I think having tests private but still waiting for NHS IVF is perfectly valid but may be worth asking just in case! A friend told me that her friend (I know... friend of a friend story...) saw a private consultant and then got bumped to the top of the NHS list straight away! It might matter if you had a private IVF, not just tests, and then tried to get NHS one after that, but that's postcode dependant too. As with anything these days.... Do you know what you would be entitled to, or even if you would qualify, in your area. If you needed treatment of course. I'm not saying you will!

coffee deffo get onto the complaints dept about the half test, you poor thing Sad

sparkly chill woman! lol xx

Just to let you gals know, I had a really nice eve with dh yesterday! We were youtubing old cartoons from our childhood and reminiscing and laughing our heads off. It was great. See, he is in there somewhere... I won't give up yet. We are also in the process of booking a holiday which always puts him in a good mood Smile

TrixieRay · 12/02/2015 13:39

Hi ladies, still lurking on here on and off.

Sammy, I had most of my tests done privately and am waiting to be referred to the fertility clinic so tests done privately shouldn't affect NHS treatment. I'm sure April will come round quickly though and you have every chance of a BFP before then.

Cariad, Spinning and Sparkly, thanks for your sympathy before when AF arrived. Hope you are all ok.
Hoping to see lots more BFPs on this bus!

spinningirl10 · 12/02/2015 13:39

Sparkly, I'm probably sounding calmer than I really am......in reality I want to pee on lots of sticks but I know it's too early so I will try and be sensible and see what my temp does for the next few days and also keep fx that I start peeing a lot!Smile

purdeybirdie · 12/02/2015 13:39

Austral, thanks for correcting me; I really do read some inaccurate rubbish masquerading as authoritative researc Hmm. I want to understand your cervix-prodding system, as I can't work out what you are saying. This is because I am stupid, not you. When we check our cervix all we can feel is the 'bellend', no? What do you mean by 'top' and 'bottom'. A dome is a dome, no?

HeirToTheIronThrone · 12/02/2015 13:42

Popping back from the March bus to ask a question!

So I've been reading about things that can increase ewcm as I think I hardly get any. I have seen grapefruit, evening primrose, b vitamins and cough mixture all mentioned - does anyone use any of these or something else successfully?!

purdeybirdie · 12/02/2015 13:43

I know, Sparkly! That sudden explosion of progesterone cannot be explained by the IVF drugs I was on because I only began prog supplementation at 19dpo (the day after my pregnancy was confirmed by beta bloods).

spinningirl10 · 12/02/2015 13:44

Sammy, could you maybe phone and check out the policy? If you can have private tests done and then switch to nhs it may speed things up for you.
Waiting is the worst with the NHS. Because of my age we would have to pay for IVF but my doc told me yesterday that if I phoned today I should get an appointment next week and get started next cycle!! I guess that's partly why it costs £4000!!

Sparkly123 · 12/02/2015 13:47

victoria so great to hear you sounding upbeat and that you had a good day. Holiday sounds brilliant, like you say- you know your dh best, he's in there somewhere.. We can never really know your situation so if you are happy today.. That's great in my book!

spinning ah it's a sneaky facade is it?! Ha ha. I think I actually am relatively calm, I haven't lost the plot at all this TWW (yet) especially when I think rationally about it.. I mean, absolutely anything can happen. Things change day to day and my month last cycle proved that, so really- WHAT IS THE POINT in analysing?! (Trots off back to my quinoa..)

Sparkly123 · 12/02/2015 13:49

Oh spinning that's so quick for referral isn't it? Money!! If I win on my lotto ticket you and Purds are first on my list ok?!

juneybean · 12/02/2015 13:50

purdey am in Tyne and Wear.

I don't really have any male friends the one guy I know had a vasectomy (git).

I signed up to coparents and am talking to a guy for my plan c (importing sperm is plan B) but I was keen to "do it properly" even though that sounds silly.

If this month doesn't work I will be going for plan c but seriously if anyone knows anyone available in march send them my way! Would rather use someone that is a friend of a friend than a stranger like my coparent guy.

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spinningirl10 · 12/02/2015 13:50

Very true Sparkly, and due to yesterday's sperm results I refuse to get excited! Ooh quinoa, yum. I had that last night.....off for a swim nowGrin

purdeybirdie · 12/02/2015 13:53

Boris, I'm glad you asked that because, after reading that study yesterday that claims chances of pregnancy decrease by 50% if ewcm cannot be seen in the week leading up to ovulation, I started to wonder how we can artificially manufacture it ourselves (cough medicine etc). I found this which explains what cm comprises. Perhaps we simply need to replicate those enzymes and vitamins?

'Several hundred glands in the endocervix produce 20–60 mg of cervical mucus a day, increasing to 600 mg around the time of ovulation. It is viscous as it contains large proteins known as mucins. The viscosity and water content varies during the menstrual cycle; mucus is composed of around 93% water, reaching 98% at midcycle. These changes allow it to function either as a barrier or a transport medium to spermatozoa. It contains electrolytes such as calcium, sodium, and potassium; organic components such as glucose, amino acids, and soluble proteins; trace elements including zinc, copper, iron, manganese, and selenium; free fatty acids; enzymes such as amylase; and prostaglandins.

Its consistency is determined by the influence of the hormones estrogen and progesterone. At midcycle around the time of ovulation—a period of high estrogen levels— the mucus is thin and serous to allow sperm to enter the uterus, and is more alkaline and hence more hospitable to sperm. It is also higher in electrolytes, which results in the "ferning" pattern that can be observed in drying mucus under low magnification; as the mucus dries, the salts crystallize, resembling the leaves of a fern. The mucus has stretchy character described as Spinnbarkeit most prominent around the time of ovulation [ewcm]

At other times in the cycle, the mucus is thick and more acidic due to the effects of progesterone. This "infertile" mucus acts as a barrier to sperm from entering the uterus. Women taking an oral contraceptive pill also have thick mucus from the effects of progesterone. Thick mucus also prevents pathogens from interfering with a nascent pregnancy.'

My hunch is that there is little we can do to recreate ewcm if it is estrogen and progesterone levels that predetermine its presence or otherwise.

CookieDough9 · 12/02/2015 13:53

Heir I have used evening primrose oil capsules in the past and they worked a treat, so much so that once I was whipping my knickers off and nearly slapped some ewcm on my face Blush. There was a lot of it and it was coming out as I was changing and was stringy (tmi)

victoria401 · 12/02/2015 13:53

Oh yes... juney sorry for the sperm delay hun. I hope you get it in time!

I've stopped producing chocolate custard by the way. Still mild cramping and mild backache though. It's really irritating as this has happened to me about 5 times over the last 12 months or so. It gives me false hope of implantation. I have had a single day of bleed (ranging from chocolate brown to bright red) sometimes with cramps, sometimes not. Then I have had 2 days of nothing at all. Then I have full blown af. This has taken me by surprise being so early in my cycle though as it happened on cd23 and i'm now on cd25 and spotting free. So if the other times have anything to go by I should get af tomorrow at cd26?! I have only had that short a cycle once before and that was the HSG month where I spotted for 2 weeks after the blasted thing right up to a bleed.

I was having a minor panic ealier though as I tired to explain these symptoms to myself... What if these odd bleeds are implantation bleeds as they are not every month and I can't sustain a pregnancy!! I know that is prob a load of rubbish as my af length and heavniess doesn't suggest mc. Plus i've had all the bloods done to show I am "normal"... Sigh... I just wanna know!!!

purdeybirdie · 12/02/2015 13:57

Juney, I like your plan C better than the 'professional' way, especially if it means the Coparent guy will come and stay at your house right through your fertile window and spaff his jizz in a pot every day Grin Seriously though, how does Coparent work? Would you still only have one sample per cycle? We want you swimming in spunk!