Rolling rolling rolling, the February bus is still rolling!

[juneybean]

Here we are...

I think 'gaming' (I hate that word; it gives credence to an otherwise infantile past-time for lazy and selfish men) is solely responsible for narrowing the horizons of many an adult. I despise the gratuitous violence and the slaughtering of prozzies. They should all be made to join the Marines. That'll learn 'em.

Gaaa well much as I don't trust the Fail - I will probably stick with 'gin' and tonic. I will have a great time either way so may as well get some abstemious practice in!

My last OPK was fainter than the two from this morning... I'll keep using them, but does this mean I haven't had a surge? Or was that it this morning do you reckon?

Also a bit depressed to know that a surge doesn't mean you ovulate, as I think my temperatures are a bit fucked this month (not using a bbt thermometer and frequent wakings etc) so might not be able to confirm it that way. HMPH.

KnitFast I agree, very powerful stuff. Re the booze. I think it is only between day 7 and day 8 the implantation of the embryo begins but isn't complete until day 14 and only 14 days po does it become a fetus. It is only between 2-3 weeks after ov that the baby becomes connected to the blood supply. I have been avoiding regular alcohol but at an event am drinking a glass or two....but entirely up to you.

Affairs?? I thought he was a donor Austral, not a sex addict!

Knit, I am a recovering alcoholic, ex-stripper, ex-escort who used to indulge in drugs, dogging and shoplifting. I have a criminal record as long as my arm. I am, however, a super mum and will no doubt raise a nun if I have my way

I pray that my nipper will never find out that I was once sentenced to 51 days in prison (suspended for a year) and that I was an escort and enjoyed sex with strangers in carparks. The rest I will ram down her throat if she dares leave the house in anything more revealing than Victorian petticoats and bustles. I'm ashamed of the sex stuff, but she needs to know where alcohol and drug bingeing can lead. She also needs to know that promiscuity and working in the sex industry - no matter how 'benign' the activity - will largely wreck your sexual identity forever.

Purdey if your daughter is anything like me (child of lovely, now very sensible and middle aged, but once seriously hellraising parents), she'll turn out pretty level-headed In my experience, it wass hard to be a rebel when my dad's calm response to anything dodgy and teenage was 'well, I personally wouldn't recommend LSD/one night stands/hitchhiking alone/trying heroin, from my experience, but it's your call'

I think having a mum who can talk about these things from a genuine position of experience and honesty (rather than outrage) will stand her in good stead to make decisions based on her own values and judgement rather than what her peers say or a desire to shock you

I agree completely. My Mum was very naive & prudish about sex, drugs & alcohol. It didn't stop me experimenting, but it did stop me from talking to her about it.

I think it is far better to be open with your children (obviously, there are limits) and to let them know that they can talk to you about anything without being judged.

I think Nancypants is really lucky to have a mum like you.

Bowie, before my true surge on Sunday morning I had an almost-true one exactly 24 hrs before that was followed by an afternoon and evening of very faint ones. Hope this makes sense.

Purdey, I'm so pleased you had Nancy, she really was a miracle in that first cycle. Your love for her shines out.
Thank you for those scary stats!!! I think we'll look at it again in the summer and in the mean time I can look into it a bit more.
Purdey, I know you think Accupuncture is mumbo jumbo but she recommended the same supplements you did! And spoke to me about ivf. She only does fertility Accupuncture so I feel she knows what she's going on about.
Dh has just taken his first pills and has gone off munching on a bag of Brazil nuts! I feel those sperm improving already!

Oh, one more thing, the doc said the sperm weren't moving very much! Would this also improve with diet/pills?

Mustbemad, I lurk on the AN oldies thread. There's quite a few of them there that are progressing well

My mum didn't speak to me about anything! When my period started I thought I was dying
My dd who is 19 speaks to me about anything. It's not always what I want to hear, especially recently with a drug incident that could have had far worse consequences. I think she frightened the life out of herself though so hopefully won't repeat it!

My parents told me not to get pregnant before graduating (didn't tell me how!). Luckily my school taught us about these things endlessly.

spinning I once rang my dad at that age while high to discuss the wonders of [insert drug x here] and while I'm pretty sure he didn't appreciate being told about the wonders of the universe by his daughter at 2am, he was lovingly exasperated rather than raging. As a result I got it out of my system in a fit of youthful high spirits and have never really been interested since.

potters off to make a cup of decaff tea, which is about the level of artificial high I go for these days

toddles back to topic....I'm on cd 21 of 27 - when can I POAS without it being a waste of time, money and urine? Just occurred to me the time is nearing!

purdey
Affairs with the donor vial!

knit I would give it a couple more days at least. After that it depends how patient you are.

I generally start with the frers 6 days beforehand, get upset at the bfn, convince myself it is just too early & then repeat on a daily basis until af shows!

Parents who can talk about things have far better relationships I think. DP never spoke about anything with his parents and still doesn't whereas I will happily talk to my mum about sex or my dad about contraception without blinking an eyelid. Plus he is practically cheering us on to get pregnant as he wants a DGD and he has 2 DGS already I bet you're a great Mum Purdey and your experiences will help guide your DD.

purdey that makes perfect sense yes. Maybe I'll still get a resurgence of.. surge. Ehem.

Hmm not sure if I am out or not yet as had some (tmi) brown/pink spotting but looked a bit....jelly like. Stuck a sani on in case it becomes the usual tap like AF bitch trog from hell.

at least I can get completely and utterly car parked Saturday night! :)

FERNING

'Fern test refers to detection of a characteristic 'fern like' pattern of cervical mucus when a specimen of cervical mucus is allowed to dry on a glass slide and is viewed under a low power microscope. Fern test is used to provide indirect evidence of ovulation and fertility, however this test does not predict the time of ovulation.

Ferning is due to the presence of sodium chloride in the mucus under estrogen effect. When high levels of estrogen are present, just before ovulation, the cervical mucus forms fern-like patterns due to crystallization of sodium chloride on mucus fibers. This pattern is known as arborization or 'ferning'.

When progesterone is the dominant hormone, as is just after ovulation, fern pattern is no longer discernible. Fern pattern is completely absent by 22nd day of cycle. Disappearance of fern pattern after 22nd day suggests ovulation and its persistence throughout menstrual cycle suggests an-ovulation (infertility).'

Anyone got a microscope?

Found you all, goodness me this moves quickly. I need to dedicate more time, obviously.

I picked up some conception vitamins today - they rather cutely look like a packet of contraception, good for if they happen to fall out of my bag I suppose.

I've been unwell today and felt really nauseous/dizzy on my way to work, think it must be a bug or I am already preg with septuplets as only 4 dpo.

Ooo-Oooh lady hurray septuplets! We need some of those! yes yes I've had

Hi everyone, hope you've all had good days?
Mine was very busy at work so haven't been able to keep up, but am back now for the evening

Purdey - the wetness wasn't stretchy, and has now disappeared so (although I didn't taste it) I'm going to assume it was the remnants of last nights spermz! X

Goodness, what a chatty bus! Lovely to catch up with you all.

I'm sorry to those of you who have been caught by the witch. Sending lots of wine and cake to you all.

Victoria it's all been said already, but sending you lots of hugs. We are all here for you my sweet.

Cariad (if you are still reading) how are you doing today? Sending a cwtch.

Purdey if you don't have any luck with the production company let me know. I have a friend who has an ability to track down almost anything!

11dpo today, which means even if the witch arrives today my lp would be just about 'normal'. A big achievement for me. Another triumph for b6.

I'm in the mood for a major sort out tonight. Dh always looks frightened when I get like this in case I tidy him away!