Rolling rolling rolling, the February bus is still rolling!

[juneybean]

Here we are...

Hi everyone!

Victoria- much like everyone else I'm so so sorry for your situation. Like I said last night TTC is hard enough emotionally, and you have been trying for so long you must be under such a strain from that alone and need the support and love which obviously you are not getting. I have a friend in a similar situation with their husband and computer gaming- he recently battled cancer and although in recovery for a couple of years now, our discussions always seem to conclude that this is his coping mechanism. However.., even if this is your dh way of coping with bring unable -this far - to have a baby, it still needs addressed. It can't be left to continue as it's dragging you down so much and that will not be helping in TTC either. I absolutely agree that Relate could massively address the underlying issues and help you to move forward together if that's ultimately what you want. It seems that you and your dh need to choose to do something or not, and if not -then it's whether you feel strong enough to move on. In the meantime.. We are all here for you and I hope you have other support around you too. I'm still also confused about your bleeding, only time will tell I guess on that. You just never know.! oh and hope the head has calmed down!!

Purdita nooo! I wanted to know your temp for today!! Ok well that's ok we can wait until Tomor.. Hope baby class goes well... I struggle to imagine how I will get though those cringefests ha ha. See below for info on my chart today..

Spinning how are you?? well.. My temp is much the same it was slightly lower today (chart attached) because we had to stay at my parents last night as there is work getting done outside our house, and it feels like arctic conditions here it's the coldest house known to man! So I wonder whether that will have screwed up my temp today?? I also think I'm only 7dpo as in sure it would be Wed last week at earliest I OVd. No preg symptoms.

Spinning just saw your post. I don't know about sperm improvement other than what I have read on MN threads.. Zinc, conception vits, Brazil nuts? I think IVF is around 3,000 where we are. Hope acupuncture goes well!

Night, your advice about date nights was not daft or wrong, and Mary's point about treading carefully on his hang-ups would be echoed by me were it not for the fact that Victoria has been unhappy for seven years out of the nine. Seven years. Victoria, I'm sure you want to move on from this conversation, but a lovely house and lifestyle is no substitute for a family. I hope you find the courage to leave him if he refuses help with his addiction.

Spinning, I'll bore you with repeating my story: DH's sperm count was 16 million six months before IVF and I got it up to 59 million on the day of IVF. We went to the Czech Republic for our donor egg (£9k in the UK) and it cost 4,500 euros (£3800?). If you are looking to conceive via IVF using your own eggs (AMH of 11 is amazing for a 43 year old, by-the-way) Gennet in Prague are the masters for only £1575 (plus £250 for the embryoscope, which is essential if you're ancient and using own eggs) Here is their price list.

You have an 11% chance of success in the UK using your own eggs at 43. Gennet's rate of success is much higher as their embryologists are second to none in Europe. I didn't even use Gennet myself (I used Reprogenesis in Brno) but I would fly there for IVF in a heartbeat if I could afford it. Their fertilisation rates are exceptionally good.

Put your DH on zinc, Brazil nuts, Co-enzyme Q10 and Vit C. That's all he needs.

bowies that's nearly positive but the line could be darker so I'd do it every few hours (if you can) because the line will go as dark as or even darker than the control line when it's positive. Get DTD anyway!

Haha, thanks MissMrs. I've just done another one and it's pretty similar, ie the line is jussst a shade paler than the control line. But I have been drinking water so I don't know if that dilutes it.

I'll keep doing them throughout the day though! We'll get on it again tonight for sure. We both fell asleep last night! Uhohs.

Mustbe, we go to four groups a week and they are, admittedly, a much-needed break from the drudgery of motherhood change of scenery.

Kissing, I'm so sorry about the bfn.

Thank you so much Purdey for the info. Dp was pretty shocked with his results but I told him I know they can be improved. So today I buy him the vitamins and we'll keep our fingers crossed they work. I think we'll look into ivf in the summer if nothing's happening and we would definitely go abroad for it so thanks for the link
Another question.....is it a possibility to fall pregnant with his sperm count so low?
They are also sending me for a scan on my Fallopian tubes, she said my bloods showed I've had chlamidia at some point.

Bowie, that is an almost-surge! Get on it! I am about to be given yet more sperm. My cervix is still high, spongy and open and my finger comes out glistening with wet, so in the absence of a temp to go off, DH has kindly offered to keep masturbating. Bless him.

spinning someone wrote in here about their dp's low sperm count and how he improved it with diet/supplements... It was a significant increase. Can't remember who it was but hopefully they'll see your questions and pop back to help.

Also, surely it must be possible to fall pg as there are still a lot of spermies there!

Spinning, yes, I fell pregnant within two months of trying in 2012 when i was 40 and DH's sperm was presumably at the poor end of 16 million. I had a mmc but it is highly likely that was due to chromasomal abnormalities caused by being a hag. But..who knows? His morphology was poor, too, so perhaps a three-headed dwarf sperm had fertilised my perfectly-okay egg

It is a scientific fact that low sperm count leads to much longer conception times.

purdey we've been together 9, married 7 but I think things started to go downhill after we bought our house 5 years ago. I can't really pinpoint it though.

Sorry for bfn kissing but you're not out yet!

spinning there is a thread in the infertility section about clinics and prices in Czech land :-) looks good! Plus I love Prague, its the best city in the world :-)

Sparkly, I think I'm 7dpo as well although ff says 8. Don't suppose it matters now with dp's sperm!! I shall still hope for a little miracle

How many Brazil nuts should he eat daily......he would quite easily eat the whole packet

Thanks Victoria, I'll check it out later. I didn't think we'd do ivf so I'm a little shell shocked.....I don't even know how IVF works/happens lots of research for me I think!

Spinning oh this maybe means we are now cycle pals! This is so weird not knowing when OV actually happened.. Weirdest feeling as so used to the "countdown" in the TWW but I have no idea when anything is due really!!.. Just gonna try and stay positive for now but not sure if I'm clutching at straws given the lacks of symptoms!
I have no idea re Brazil nuts.. Anyone else?!

Purds woo for new spermies! You really are on it this cycle! TWW Tomor then yep?! And we shall have a sparkly new temp then too!

Kissing so sorry for bfn

Anyone might be interested to know that an egg lasts 12-24 hrs (I thought it was just 12) and sperm takes 14 hours to get there so even if you ovulate first thing in the morning sex that night could still get to the egg in time. Shows we should all carry on for a day after egg is released.

Spinning it's good to get all the info re IVF so you have a plan of action.. But you really may not need to use it!

Yep sparkly, as they say, knowledge is power ive just found a lovely little cafe with gluten free cakes so I'm enjoying a little treat before acupuncture.

Can't remember who just mentions sperm meeting egg but I think the fastest fittest sperm can reach the right place in 2hours!!

Purdey, in my situation and when dp's sperm have improved, do you know if the success rate is better using ivf or just plain shagging! Sorry for all the questions, I'm really quite clueless despite nearly 2 years of trying

Def Spinning! Hope acupuncture goes well! Are you celiac or do you just choose GF?

*Coeliac

*Coeliac

I think I am out. I went to Sainsbury's to pick up some shopping and planned on getting some tests ready for Friday. But once I got there I found that all the tests, including their cheaper own brand were all boxed in the those plastic security boxes and despite being a married 35+ yrs I hate that you have go and get them undone and can't just put it in your shopping basket so I didn't pick one up. I carried on browsing and got the rest of my shopping but towards the end when I was paying I started to get that heavy dull feeling I get before I come on, so I fully expect to be on full flow by tonight :(
Oh well, at least I didn't waste any money testing early.

and I bought myself a double decker bar ready to eat and commiserate myself!

Sparkly, I just choose gluten free. Tbh I'm not super strict, my treat is toast if I go out for breakfast. Nice big doorstep wedges I find that carbs make me very bloated and sluggish and eating healthily I have much more energy and then I can exercise more!