Immune/natural killer cell treatment when TTC or pregnant (aka the 14th pred thread)

[sunnyday01]

Continuing from 13th thread

Excited to read your post determined! It seems positive. At five weeks I had back back cramps and was convinced I was miscarrying which is why the epu took my bloods. I also had a scan which showed a gestational sac and a yolk sac. I was sick once in the middle of the night but nothing apart from that. I really didn't feel pregnant apart from very slightly sore boobs which would very much come and go. Then at six weeks my boobs stopped hurting completely, I had no sickness and very bad stomach cramps. That lasted about a week which is when I told Dr S I'd miscarried. He showed me the baby's heartbeat a few moments later. I was seven weeks pregnant and all was going well. It has been completely different to other pregnancies I've had.
If you can't get your bloods done, have you tried clearblue conception indicators? I know they are a bit unreliable but something to think about... What do the FRER tests say first thing in the morning? With me they were about the same colour as the control line at five weeks with first morning wee. I am such a weirdo but could try to post them! Oh I so hope this is it for you!!! Have you spoken to Dr S?

You guys will be freaking out when you have puppies and new babies to look after! Having said that, I do sometimes think about getting a puppy too. Then I remember the sleepless nights and breastfeeding... Would be lovely though! X

I meant the sleepless nights and breastfeeding of my little boy, not a puppy in case that wasn't clear! OMG!

Hope glad to hear things are going well and it made be smile about breast feeding a dog xx

Ahh thanks Hope, your post is reassuring me..it is just so unnerving when you feel like AF is about to start and then you know pred is masking things and cyclogest could be causing other things. Boobs are slightly sore but again that's on and off - never prodded them so much which is why they could be sore!!! Don't feel tired or sick or 'off' anything either.

Oh the CB conception indicators. Used them in my first 2 pregs and never progressed to 3+ (miscarried a few weeks later) I am not sure I am brave enough. I did a FRER yesterday and it is not quite as dark as the control but it is close (spent ages obsessing with Dr Google and so many women's lines seem to be darker really early on which stressed me). I will probably do another tomorrow and see...

Not spoken with Dr S yet, just Louise. I told her I felt this was going the same way as the last one and she told me to stop testing!! Take my meds and book a scan for 6-7 weeks which would be week after next. Problem is I am on holiday from next Sunday for 9 days. Having not made it past 6-7 weeks generally I really don't want this to go wrong (ever of course) but when I am away (6-7 weeks!) this RMC lark is a flippin nightmare!

ha ha - have that image in my head now...made me chuckle xx

What a nightmare determined. Could u get a scan just before u go away? U would at least get dates? U have had no more bleeding and the pred masks symtpms. I hope this is ur one!

Thanks trying, I will see how the next couple days go, like you said keeping positive about no bleeding yet xx

It is really tricky because HCG levels are so variable, as are the tests. I think the main thing is that there is a bit of a progression, even if the line isn't really dark. Also five weeks is so early that I think even in the strongest pregnancy you wouldn't have symptoms. When I was pregnant with my little boy, and I wasn't on treatment, I didn't have any symptoms apart from really sore boobs until eight weeks. This time I started feeling queasy, had food aversions and sore boobs at nine weeks but even then, it has been much more mild than previously. I can eat everything really and I don't feel nearly as tired. At five weeks though there was nothing apart from the back pain and anxiety! Would you like the scan before you go away or do you prefer to wait? It is hard to know what is best but I think the signs are really positive! Personally, I've never had cramps before miscarrying so maybe they are a sign the baby is bedding in! Also, and I know this is tmi, but cyclogest can cause really bad constipation (according to Dr S) and as a result stomach pains too. Bit embarrassing but think that was my problem! I've never experienced it before so didn't realise!
I agree with you re the Clearblue tests really. They are too anxiety inducing, although great if they say the right thing! That rarely seems to happen though!
Anyway, hang in there. Every day that passes is a good sign, xx

Thanks Hope, really appreciate the info/support. I am trying to keep how early it is in mind and stay positive (even still had a shocking nights sleep).

Did another FRER and would say the test line is as dark as control now (even still i was hoping for it have a message to say 'everything is going to be fine, you won't lose this baby' but i don't think they make those tests - ha ha )

The scan dilemma is a difficult - to have it before i go at 6 weeks and it not be good or inconclusive (or good but i think its too early)...or to go away and be thinking about what could be going on (if it doesn't present itself before i get back if you get me). At the moment i am tempted to leave it till i get back but may spk to Dr S and get his opinion!? xx

That's a though one. Hmmmmm it depends on ur personality.
I would prefer to know and usually when I'm on holiday I feel more
Postive and philosophical about it all. I've actually been on holiday straight after every miscarriage to make myself feel better for a week.

If its good news then u can relax and enjoy ur holiday?

It's a really though one.
Great news line getting darker. So really apart a bit of spotting and some cramps things seem ok now?? There's a v good chance they are ok...

Hope - great news on the 11 week scan and everything crossed for the harmony test results, it s usually a couple of weeks for those isn t it ?

Determined - good news the line is getting darker, i seem to remember that with my son that the line wasn t darker than the control till 6 wks so hang in there, i really hope this is the one for you.

I m fed up as i really don t know whats going on this cycle and if i can t tell if i ve ovulated i cant take the pred and then it s another cycle wasted and more waiting.

And I m worried that it may be because of the pred from last cycle that has messed this one up which if i can t take pred will mean i m back to square one.

Not sure how much more i can keep doing this. Maybe i should just be grateful for the amazing gift of my son and just accept that its and get on with life. But as all his friends start to get brothers and sisters i feel terrible i can t give him one and it s for this that i keep going.

Sorry for the down post just feel like time is running out and things are getting worse not better.......really got to get a grip !

Sorry ur feeling Pants hula.
are u using ur lh sticks? I'm sure ur surge will come soon, are u sure u had ecwm and it wasn't after a day or 2 session of DTD?! (Sorry tmi).
The pred shouldn't have affected your cycle after taking it for one month, some women have reported it delaying ovulation but they were taking it before ovulation so It should be ok?
Like I've said before some
Other nk consultants in uk don't use the pred till bfp so don't fret too much if you wait a few days for ur surge....
What day r u?
Sunny hope ur ok? Did u test again today ?

Hi trying, tested again today and still nothing so assuming that's it for this round. Totally fed up and just font understand why SO is not working. It has a 85% success rate but I just don't think it's going to work for me :(. We are doing everything we should be abd I'm having a good response to the treatment so I just don't understand. Got DH sperm test on weds so hopefully in a week or so we will have results on that.

Hi ladies

Long time lurker,had posted on a previous thread but it moves so fast I didn't keep up.

3 miscarriages.
June 14,October 14 and dec14.

I have a ds who is 2.7 . I am 38 and dh is 42.

We are soon to have tests,well I was told I would have a blood test and me and dh would then have a test. They are not doing them together so will have to wait Forrest to come back then test again wait for them to come back before trying again so looking at least 4 months according to the lady I spoke to on Friday (the consultant receptions).

We are taking pregnacare conception and I am taking an extra folic acid as I am slightly over weight. Starting slimming world on Monday.

I am only over weight these last 3 months as I am an emotional eater and these last couple of months that've been awful.

What questions should I be asking at my appointment when I do eventually have it,she also told me that included a leaflet about a trail of a tablet. Has anyone heard of this?

So so so pants sunny. I was really rooting for this being ur Month. ESP with the 3 eggs :(. Has it been a year ttc now? Ur seeing shehata soon aren't u? Def good ur getting sperm tested and mr s will prob offer u some more tests to check why it's not happening too, like the usual testing a gp would be at one year. it will happen for u just going to take some time. I'm sorry. Really shitty. :(

I've not left my bed in 24 hours! I look great! Am surrounded by tissues! The time in bed hasn't been v good meaning I've had time to obsses and worry as to why not preg again. everyone is wondering why I've been married for 5 years and still no baby-if one more person asks what's stopping me I might scream. Literally everyone asks me. It's so rude! I'm only 30 Leave me alone! Where I work 3 of us got preg in the same week, the both went on to have their babies (now born) and I miscarried my third. The staff asked me every single day "when will it be u, when is it u, do u not want kids?" People are so annoying
Sorry for the rant!

Thanks trying - i m on day 10 but no cm and mood more like in 2ww and neg opks, normally have 3-4 days obvious ecwm then postive opk. Only ecwm was day 6, hadn t dtd before so really starting to think its already happened then. Just hate being in the dark, will try and get a proper temp in the morning.

Sunny sorry about your bfn, really feel your pain and after SO i can imagine it just intensifies the disappointment. I hope your DH results are good.

One foot sorry for ur losses :(. It's very hard.

I would ask
1- will they put u on progesterone next preg. The results of the PROMISE trial (progesterone vs no progesterone) are not out yet but there's no harm in taking progesterone so u should def go on it from a bfp. There's enough to suggest it does help
2-aspirin after a bfp. This seems to
Help a lot of Women. Even if no found clotting problems.
3-ask if they will Give u reg scans. Reassurance has been shown to improve preg rates.

Good luck on ur journey x

Last time was pregnant was Oct 13 so been quite a while but not tried e ery month since then for various reasons but most of them. Going to hopefully have a chat with louise tomorrow and see if she can provide any answers but also going to try and see dr s too later this month when scan is due.

Whatever happens I def want to try again naturally gift a few months I think before considering anything else.

Think I might take a few days out of here too as sometimes mumsnet sends me ab it mental!

Hope Louise has some words
Of wisdom for u x

Hope u get ur lh surge soon hula. Maybe just DtD every other day to be sure you don't miss out.

Determined hope no more spotting today

Thanks trying hopefully it hasn t happened yet, will just have to keep dh on standby. Sorry about the stupid comments you keep getting, if people had any brains they might stop and think maybe there is a private reason and asking could be really insenstive. I had the same thing at a wedding two weeks after my mc where at least five people asked if we were going to have another one. Feel free to rant !

Welcome onefoot - so sorry about your losses sounds like you ve had a terrible time. Which rmc are you going to ? I would def make sure that they will check for immune issues as rm after a live birth is classic for that but not all places will check.

Sunny hope you get some answers from Louise.

Sunny
I hope you get some answers soon. Would Ivf help backed with medication to carry term? Is it a possibility for you?

Trying, sorry your feeling so rough! Too much thinking time is never good for our souls. What a shocking time you have with people not thinking about what thy say? They should think hmm it's been 5 years there may be a reason and that I should shut my mouth! Grrrrrrr I feel or you.

Hi

Thanks for advice re questions.

I live on the Wirral so I am going to start of at the local nhs fertility unit. The consultant I am seeing also does work at the local private hospital as I have already looked into going private so I am going to give it two months to see what happens.

I am just on my first period and feeling really crap ,I have had a hard and emotional Christmas.my last mc wasn't very pleasant as I was in hospital overnight as some of something was stuck in the neck of my cervix and I had to have surgery,it was horrible,this also meant telling close but not that close family as we needed help with ds. My sil isn't very nice and said we had to have a toast as she had an announcement to make and I had to leave the room,it turned out it wasn't that she was pregnant just some drivel but I just feel she was doing it to upset me, I feel like my dh doesn't understand why it upset me or am I being dramatic.if I see something in the news about children I cry.

I actually don't really feel like I have started to deal with it emotionally ye,I'm also scared to as well. I feel if I start crying I won't stop and that won't be fair to my ds.

I'm so sorry onefoot. It's so hard. Come join us with the crappy sil-we all have them! I've recently just had a big whine about mine on here.

It's a really tough road and so sad, but time will heal it a little. It generally carries a good prognosis so hopefully it will work out in end. Only a few consultants do nk testing, we are under mr shehata here. Dr quenby in conventry is another choice if that's a route u want to go down. (It's controversial but seems to explain a lot of womens problems).

Thanks dildoos and hula. I only started trying after being married for 3 years, (now married 4.5) we were enjoying travelling and being married and generally hanging out together! for me I wanted to wait till I had a few years with DH and I had finished all my awful exams. This meant I was at the end of being 28, which I thought pretty young but turns out I'm 30 and nowhere closer! I started trying when none of my friends had babies and now they all do/are preg at least.
What can u do, just got To keep going and hope it works out (first hurdle getting preg!)

I came back to the thread before because we were just having a conversation about getting more vitamins tomorrow. I then googled my consultant. He is on Facebook and lists his email address. I can't believe I just googled him and found loads of information,he seems really knowledgeable.