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The Elderberry Pavlovas: Hanging up our fertility crystals, relaying the Yellow Brick Road and chasing that chopper. We want our BFPs and we want them now! (Thread 22)

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happylass · 13/08/2014 09:25

The smallprint –
Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 12+ months, NO instadiffers, must have a special pot and definitely no mention of baby dust or baby dancing).
Those not abiding by the rules may be escorted from the premises.

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greatbigbushybeard · 21/09/2014 23:55

Hola!! Had a brilliant night out, drinking, dancing and staying out til 3am!! Then coming home and staying up gassing til 4.30!! Just what doctor ordered. Did have a do you want children question from colleague who I don't know that well and I just said yes but it's not that easy. I found out we're the same age but she has 2 children, in my head she seems far older and more grown up. I go round thinking I'm 18!!

You know what tiger my consultant said the same about avoiding ovulation sticks restricting dtd etc. I know it's unpopular to say it but maybe they have a point with the old 'relax' advice but also I think when it's meant to happen , it'll happen.

My god, I had no idea the drugs were sooo expensive. So glad and thankful we have nhs gos,genuinely sorry for those of you that don't. It does sound odd buying drugs at ASDA!!

Af has arrived, think it hit Friday, although there was definite spotting 2 dates beforehand. Once it's gone it's bomchikawomwom time and I am going to try my best not to be too tired out by flipping work.

Anyway lovely berries and welcome to bear, have a good week. Boo to work tomorrow x

Smidge001 · 22/09/2014 00:06

Yes it does seem to be a bit quiet on here these days. I shall do my bit and post, though I don't have much to report!

beaky the spring weather here at the moment is really quite nice. Jeans and vest top type weather when you're outside in the sun (lots of blue sky at the moment - we tend to get the rain more in summer than other seasons), BUT if you're in the shade/wind or even indoors, you need to load on the layers. I really find that weird about the weather here - in the sun you can be sweating, but in the shade you can get goosepimples!

lumen I'm jealous about the ability to buy drugs in asda (iPad autocorrect wanted to change that to Asia!). My IVF cycle here is a sort of fixed cost deal, which, on short protocol included all drugs, but apparently long protocol lucrin isn't covered, so it seems I have to pay the same fixed cost deal this time BUT now also pay for the lucrin myself too. Have just been scaring myself reading the internet where it sounds as if the side effects of long protocol drugs are way worse than short protocol, with sensitivity of injecting going up each day, seriously bad headaches, and hormonal crazy impatience going through the roof. Uh oh. Told hubby for future reference, and said he needs to realise that being supportive isn't just a case of commenting that my ranting is purely drug related and dismissing me, but actually would be for eg. him thinking in advance what might annoy me and avoiding doing that so I have nothing to get crazy over in the first place!

Welcome bear. My OH and I were a bit like you in that we didn't use contraception for ages (kind of tried to avoid the most fertile times but given my inability to understand my own cycle Blush it should have sent warning signals that I never fell pregnant) before actively 'trying' to conceive. Due to start second IVF next month.

Talking of my next IVF, I'm a bit confused as to the timings they've given me. AliG said that as my cycle is roughly 32/33 days long I should have blood test a bit later than usual to see if I've ovulated - day 23 then start lucrin. But nurse has booked me in for blood test on 6th October which I make as day 21. Paperwork came through which is a sort of template timeline, which I suspect is completely pre-printed (ie not amended for my particular circumstances) suggests blood test day 22 and lucrin day 23. So now I'm thinking if I have a longer cycle I should definitely have my blood test later than when the nurse has booked me in. If standard pre-print says day 22 and I'm longer cycle, surely?

Maybe I'll send them an email to ask them to confirm/check... I just feel really bad for questioning them! They do this job every day so must get v annoyed when patients claim to know better...! Ah well, it will put my mind at rest I guess.

Husband and I drank a fancy bottle of red wine last night (see, evening weather in the flat is still cold and suitable for red wine!). Thinking I'll be too dehydrated to go for a run today... But maybe that's a cop out. Really should start drinking more water I think. Given how much they make you drink while on the drugs, I'm sure I would be healthier upping my intake a bit the rest of the time too.

lumen · 22/09/2014 06:15

Best of luck today happy and jellie (and anyone else I have missed)

smidge I did long protocol last time too and I found the best way to get through it was copious amounts of water (at least 4ltrs per day) and early to bed (around 8pm each night but I get up at 5am for work) and I found the cycle not too bad. I injected in my stomach and just rotated sides and worked along my cake shelf (muffin top for those non Sarah Millican fans)

bushy your night out sounded fab, was kinda jealous! Glad AF has turned up so you and MrB can get down to it soon. We didn't do the zip line in St Lucia but we did the Pitons, mud, waterfall trip via open top jeep, and another day we did the dune buggies around the north of the island. Loved the piton beer but the numerous piña coladas were my fav.

Feel like I am going to be behind this current stabbing group as start on Sat but not due EC/ET until the first week of Nov. But good to get going again.

Happy Monday everyone, hope the week goes by quickly for all Grin

happylass · 22/09/2014 07:37

Just a quick one to say good luck for today Jellie! And Fx I'll be next in the EC queue - come on follies!

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WildflowerMarmalade · 22/09/2014 11:19

Wow! Congratulations tigerdog on the job offer - go you. It does sound like a major disruption to move from Midlands to London, what would happen ref your DP’s work? I full concur with beaky that a major move would all to likely bring on an ironi-diff. It’s bound to.

Welcome bear , it is not ideal to need to be here but you have found a wealth of advice and support among the Berries.

jellie best of luck with your EC today and beaky really hope your scan goes well. These things are surprisingly nerve racking, well it surprised me at least. You just do not want to hear anything that will make your TTC journey even more difficult than it already is. I’m sure you will be fine and I can’t wait to hear how you get on. —heavy hint to update ASAP afterwards—

WRT to your questions beaky , I’m feeling absolutely fine, boobs a bit sore from the progesterone gel, but nothing else to report. However, I was absolutely exhausted and a bit tearful the two days after the trigger shot. A bit of googling suggested that was absolutely normal. I think it is the sudden onslaught of hormones and possibly also a bit of a stress comedown after all the stabbing/ scanning/inseminating/ worrying/ trekking to the clinic/ obsessing etc…

I’ve been told to test at home 16 days post IUI and NO, they did not give me a test! Shock I was quite affronted that they didn’t give us an HPT as we have had to pay out a fair old bit for the procedure. I have got lots of cheapy tests at home, but that is not the point!

Thank you all so much for the birthday wishes, you are so sweet you lovely Berries. I had a nice day which did involve cake and DH got me an old classic car, think VW Beetle or similar. It’s the same as the very first car I ever had and which I loved to bits, literally to bits. It’s very sweet of him, even though about three weeks ago I told him that I definitely didn’t want a car for my birthday and especially not an old classic car which would be nothing but a money pit! Oops. Blush Against my own expectations I am pleased with it though. It’s nice to have something that is just mine actually, as the house we live in was DH’s before we met and it still has more his vibe than mine, so it’s great to have something which is purely mine.

smidge your weather sounds weird, wine is probably the best way to cope I would have thought. Upping your water intake is always a good idea. One tip is to always have a glass of water handy on your desk or next to you at home. That works quite well.

lumen I too have to get up early for work - 5.30 or sometimes quite a bit earlier - so hearing that you are up at five too has gladdened my heart. I don’t know why it should or if it makes sense but it just does. I am so not a morning person but I long ago accepted that I couldn’t afford to be p*d off every time I had to get up early as I would only make it more difficult for myself.

However, it is hard to take when friends with DCs complain about getting up at 5 or 6 am to look after their little ones. I just don’t have it in me to sympathise - I’ve been getting up at that time for years and never complained to them about it and plus I do not have the babies I would so dearly love to have. They really are rubbing salt in the wound for me. I’m not saying they are not far more tired than me, I am saying that it is stretching the milk of my human kindness too far to ask me to sympathise. Experience tells me this attitude does not go down well with mothers, so that is why I’m getting it off my chest here!

Blimey, that was an epic post!

Smidge001 · 22/09/2014 13:30

Yes jellie do please give us an update. Fx all goes well today.
happy are you still on for wednesday(?)

lumen I think we may end up with EC/ET around the same time - my calcs suggest I'll be doing so around the first week of November. ...Yet I'm not due to start stabbing until about 10days after you...is that right/possible? There seem to be so many different methods I'm sure it must be. [Need to insert a slightly confused, shrugging smiley face here]

Still slightly bipolar weather here. Suncream and hot diggedy during the day, but have just had to fill myself a hot water bottle for bed!

lumen · 22/09/2014 14:59

smidge that is quite possible as my FC does a 'one size fits all' approach to cycles so there is quite a long time down regging (longer than necessary in my opinion) as carries on for 3 weeks even if you have your bleed at the start. Will be nice to have a cycle buddy.

wild I understand liking that someone else gets up at stupid o'clock, I feel the same way. I often get grumpy at the ones with kids who make those comments, when I mention that I am up at that time most days I have often been told 'you should have kids then to keep you busy' ummm trying!!!!

Any news jellie? All thinking of you x

Jelliebabe2 · 22/09/2014 16:07

Hey lovely berries! Have only been home a little and HAD to nap! Ec went well. Got 2 eggs as expected so I'm praying they're both mature and c they both fertilise. Will have to wait for our call tomorrow. Knackered so am resting in bed.

We left the clinic at 12.30ish and went straight for food. Left a bag with needles syringes and sharps bin on the back of the chair! Shock Pit stop at ASDA for an emergency supply. Luckily I put the bloody drugs (,progesterone) in my handbag! Should be able to pick it up on transfer day! I guess I really was confudddled still!

WildflowerMarmalade · 22/09/2014 16:33

Hey Jellie so glad that EC went well for you. FX those two lovely eggs are lovely fat, ripe ones. I'm not surprised that you are knackered and thank goodness you had the expensive drugs in your handbag and not in the other bag. I'd call that a DH fail to be honest, you can't be expected to have your head together under the circus. Although, on second thoughts, maybe just call that DH's mistake quietly to yourself in your own mind. You don't want a row. Well done for getting through it and we expect an update the moment you get the call tomorrow.

beakybeak · 22/09/2014 17:59

Jellie well done on your two eggs and will keep everything crossed for both fertilising. If so are you getting both put back? Lol to leaving the stabbers kit on the chair! Shock hope you recover soon.

Wild thanks for the advice, ours say wait 16 days too then test. Have you worked out when that is?! Glad thinks are going ok for you though. Wow to your birthday car, what a great present!

Happy how was your scan?

My scan was ok have two follies and two cysts?! They aren't big enough yet so need to stab twice more and then scan wed morning with the procedure thurs/fri depending.

lumen · 22/09/2014 18:10

Well done jellie, hope they both fertilise properly, let us know tomorrow.

beaky boo to the cysts but yey to the follies, not too much longer to go!

happylass · 22/09/2014 19:20

So glad everything went well Jellie!

Full steam ahead for my EC on Wednesday. Just the trigger shot at 11:30 tonight to get through now.
Great news that things are progressing with you Beaky - that was really quick!
All happening in Berry HQ. Hope everyone else has had a good start to the week.

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WildflowerMarmalade · 22/09/2014 20:44

Good news on the follies beaky - you seem bang on schedule. Thurs/Fri will be here really quickly.

I have worked out the testing day and it would mean testing early in the morning and then straight out the door to work, which I don't fancy at all. I've been looking into whether it's possible to save the FMU until later in the day and test when I get home. It is sort of possible, but I think I'm just going to wait until the next day which is a Saturday.

Ooh happy exciting that you are triggering. Yippee! Really hope this works out for you.

I've just answered correctly all three airport questions on University Challenge. Very pleased with myself. It's the little things.

greatbigbushybeard · 22/09/2014 21:17

Love under the 'circus' wildflower, it blooming feels like one some of the time!! Wild, rant away,that's what we're here for. I applaud you & lumen getting up so early. When do you tend to go to bed? I've ben sleeping quite badly recently. My mind starts chuntering over the most banal of stuff, like worksheets for my class, children I teach, my TA etc. It's not like I'm really worried about it but my mind finds it hard to stop. I then am awake for hours. Have started moving and sleeping in the other room as at least dh's snoring isn't adding to it.

Hope all gives well with those 2eggs jellie

Exciting times happy, hope you manage to stay awake and then calm down after your trigger.

Sounds like you had a great time lumen. Didn't know about dune buggies, think my dh would have liked that! We, or should I say dh is making a st Lucia photobook tonight. It's so lush looking at the photos again. I almost can't believe we went there, it was so amazing! Photobook was meant to be a summer holiday job... Tonight is last day before the credit expires. Ah well, at least it's better than last year. I spent all night trying to cram it in, then the whole thing crashed and it was midnight and I'd wasted all my money-terrible!!

beaky not long to go! grow follies grow.

I've got croaky throat and sitting here with 2 hoodies on. Time to finish watching dh do the book, wash up and sort self for bed.

beakybeak · 22/09/2014 21:20

Well done Wild! Grin Wine

Happy good luck for EC on Wednesday! We will be waiting for updates! When does that mean that et will be?

LittleBear01 · 22/09/2014 22:40

Thanks for the welcome messages everyone Smile I'll be quietly lurking in the background until I think I know what's going on with everyone, I'm too scared to name-check yet as finding it difficult to remember who is who. In the meantime, have anyone got any experience of using inositol for PCOS? I'm on metformin now, but have heard that inositol can help too? Or coenzyme q10? So confusing?! Confused

WildflowerMarmalade · 22/09/2014 22:50

Grin Grin hahah!! at 'circus' . You are right bushy, it is a flippin' circus sometimes.

Thanks for the wine cheers beaky, it really made me feel that I'd achieved something worthwhile today.

Happy get your finger on that trigger and shoot. Just 40 minutes to go....

Smidge001 · 23/09/2014 00:11

Hello bear. Name checking is tricky - I have to write notes on a piece of paper if I want to comment back with specifics! I think if you use a computer rather than phone/ipad you can have several windows open at once which can help.

I have just started taking CoQ10, on (sort of) advice from my fertility doc. I say 'sort of' coz she said there wasn't really any proof that it does anything, but felt that it couldn't hurt. She only asked me to take it after my first failed IVF as she was disappointed with the progression (lack thereof) of my embryos. Nothing to do with PCOS in my case. I think the CoQ10 is meant to help with cell energy, hence potentially may help boost the egg's chances of making it to day 5. Will let you know if my stats improve this time round!

Do any berries know anything about DHEA? AliG mentioned it once but hasn't actually told me to take it. Thinking I'd rather try everything just in case so I don't have to do the old 'what if' routine.

WildflowerMarmalade · 23/09/2014 09:13

smidge if you go to page three of this thread you will find some info on CoQ10 and other supplements. It does, as you say, help with cell energy and maybe other stuff (vague). I am taking it and a think quite a few others are too.

There is an excellent book recommended by kuma which is called 'It Starts With The Egg' by Rebecca Fett. It has lots of good info and examines the science behind various supplements. The post on page 3 is a brief summary of that book.

Jelliebabe2 · 23/09/2014 10:31

Smidge - I take/took dhea my consultant told me to. My eggs were apparently very good last time. I also took coq10, double folic acid, vit d, vit b complex, aspirin, I think that's it... (Apart from arthritis meds). I rattled. I guess I can drop some now I'm not "growing" the eggs. Will have to see what though.

Still waiting on call.... Phone damn you phone!

Jelliebabe2 · 23/09/2014 11:36

Okay both mature, one fertilised. Transfer tomorrow at 10.30. Can't say I'm not a little disappointed... Never mind I know it only takes one. Feel a bit down though.

lumen · 23/09/2014 13:07

Don't feel down jellie, tomorrow you will be pupo and your little embryo will be in the best place possible.

beakybeak · 23/09/2014 19:21

Ahh Jellie fx for your little embryo then, and will be sending positive berry vibes for transfer tomorrow.

Happy is your EC tomorrow? Good luck.

Bear I think most us is take coq10, haha amongst many others. I don't have pcos I'm afraid so can't help there, sorry.

LittleBear01 · 23/09/2014 21:03

Ok, thanks, will order some coq10 then. Any recommendations on brands/dose? FX for Jellie's little embryo, how exciting that you'll be PUPO tomorrow! Grin

beakybeak · 23/09/2014 21:41

Tiger have you made your decision?