New balls please! The BESH are hanging out the cunt bunting for Wombledon and saddling up for the Tour de France!

[FizzyFeet]

Rules of entry: must be ttc #1 for over a year, be suitably evil and hag-like, and submit your BESHtionnaire for our approval. If you are a baby duster or a hun, this ain't the thread for you.

Just nipping in quickly as I've got 5 mins left of lunch...
vesp I was bleeding for 5 weeks and got my bfn at 6? weeks. Are you still bleeding?
effin knitting is great, but I make toys, hats and gloves mainly, not baby garments. I do occasionally make teddies for new born but I have to force myself....

On hols so just a quick one- Effin, Mr Blue is on fertilaid- no idea if it works but gets good write up and you can choose specific vits for different spaff needs

Ffs. In tears after watching the Vodafone advert (facetime call where he tells his dad it's a bit and holds the baby to the camera). Hate the droid. Hate ttc (or having to not ttc so feeling further and further left behind).

Glad it's not just me, I concur there are diffed people EVERYWHERE at the moment. Haha, just went to type grrrrr and it autocorrected to Horror! Yes autocorrect, that too. With the rage that makes me want to saw my arm off.

Just arm rubs Barking loving your commitment to the home improvement project, midweek DIY? Respect.

Hospital stays are shit, doesn't it make you so thankful to be able to get the hell out of there with your health in tact?

I started some equivalent jazz up the jizz vits for girls last week. I've just put two and two together that they're the bastards responsible for hours of crippling stomach ache in the past few days that I've been doing my best to ignore despite fears of a terminal illness creeping in incase of needing to put of imminent IVF transfer . I had to come home from work this afternoon it was so bad. Thanks Boots. Fucking shite that is. Anyone else had similar?

Thanks for the woo CD recommendations. In the same vein I tramped around Google last night and found an actual relaxation visualisation download for DEIVF from Circle and Bloom. Even better and a 20% discount code. to make it only expensive The joy! What has TTC reduced us to? Desperate that's what. I used to spend money on gin to make myself feel better. Anyway it's helping for sure.

Vesp argh. I hope you can get some answers.

Thanks for all the jizz vits advice gals. The Men E Vit website is funny, so aussie. I like the sporty attitude to it tho, takes some of the stigma that I think men in particular feel if their swimmers aren't tip top. TT will now be getting ultra competitive to have incredible sperms.

I'm also chewing down loads of vitamins in an effort to convince myself I am in control of something. A random selection of extra folic acid, Co-Q10, Omega 3 and a basic pre-conception vitamin. And I've bought a new cookbook - A Modern Way to Eat, which is really lovely. It's vegetarian and low on refined carbs/gluten but super tasty and not too much of a hassle. So when we do get back to ttc hopefully my body will be some kind of health goddess. Dunno when that will be as we only dtd once this month as the stress of everything else not exactly putting me in the mood, plus I'm turning into my stress-head hyper-critical self which is definitely not putting TT in the mood either.

cherry what vits were you taking? I often find that iron vits makes me puke, but there are some gentler formulations out there.

barking manly arm punch for you. take it out on the wallpaper.

He tells his dad it's a boy not a bit .

eff the cookbook sounds good.
cherry I've had problems with vitamins before, had to remember to eat them after food and never on an empty stomach.

Anyway, feeling more emotionally stable today. Off to visit friends this weekend. It'll be the first time we've seen their baby. I realised this week that they must have conceived during or just after my first mc, and they gave birth the same week I started mc'ing my second. These are friends we used to go away with a lot, when I got pg and she was still pg I was chuffed that our kids would 'only' be 9 months apart .

Ooh, love a good new cookbook Effin
I've been wondering if we really need to take extra vits and mins or whether getting nutrition from food is the best way forward. Especially iron? I'm super careful about what I eat, at least 8+ portions of fruit and veg a day, whole food, gluten free, no caffeine, low alcofrol, lean protein with every meal. I'm thinking I might just go for a simple frolic acid and have done. Any opinions?

Glad you're feeling better today Barking, despite the imminent visit. Totally understandable to feel resentful, just remember we're all fighting our own battles.

My woo CD is super cheesy but I've decided to stop giggling go with it and despite all I think it's doing the trick. Keeping the shizz together these last couple of days at any rate, which is always good.

I think 'supplements' are just that. If you have a great diet you shouldn't need them hasn't stopped me spending a fortune on miracle pills and taking so many I rattle.
Frolic acid - yep, anything consultant advised - probably. Anything else is just there to boost what you could be getting through food.

Glad the woo is helping .

Happy weekend everyone!!!

Troo troo Barking we can't help ourselves though can we - and add extra just incase! Bio available through food has to be the best way in the end, if only there was a print out at the end of the day to say what we clocked. I come back to exhibit A though, smug instadiffer.... How many vits did she take?!

Oh hags, the brain is truly a weird thing isn't it? I swing from totally cool about all of this to total menkul basket case. Woken up stressed Eric this morning in a plague of the what ifs. somebody slap me please!

Dropping in to say that Bugs is in labour! She was at it all all day yesterday, bless her, but Buglet will hopefully arrive by lunchtime. 3 weeks early too! There's practically been a live birth update on the PESH fred.

what ifs are par for the course and to be fair, what if it works?! What if you get the hard won win you SO deserve?

Yesterday I saw the founder and former member of my local infertility support group, who's about to drop her 6th attempt icsi IVF twins. I hadn't seen her since the last meeting I attended in April, when she had to come in to hand over all the official stuff so others could keep the support group going (the rules are if you get diffed you bow out). I can't help but think that her handing over some of that stuff to me (whilst 12 weeks pregnant) was some kind of woo gesture which may have helped me get diffed that month, like a small but seismic hint to the universe

I think I need a slap. Didn't get much sleep last night and had very bizarre dreams. Blaming that for my airy fairyness this morning. That and giddiness over Bugs.

Chezza stay positive girl

Bugs has laid a pink one!!

Whoop whoop! it's looking a little dusty in here. Is that some in my eye? Well laid Bugs! Anyone join me in a sniff of gin to celebrate?

Thanks for the updates Fankle

Yay bugs amazing news!!!!

As I'm neither diffed nor seemingly capable of natural diffment and am currently not in my fertile zone I shall join Chez in raising a glass of gin and savouring it's sweet flavour and maybe having a few more to wet the Eshlet's head with! Such wonderful news - it doesn't seem that long ago that Bugs was in the ivf fear zone that you're going through now Chez and look where she is now

AMAZING news!!!!!
Go bugs!!!!

Had a few nips of damson gin, slow gin, a blood orange and a strawberry liqueur, some white port and a snifter of red wine just to be on the safe side in Bug's honour last night with a generous selection of cheeses and breads from a day at the local food festival. We gorged and am now feeling a touch lethargic! But it was gooood

Well done Bugs!!!

And inspiration and source of hope for the BESH!

BFN caught me today. Sad times (i.e. crying and swearing like a sailor times).

I found this article quite helpful though, maybe some of you will do too! infertility.about.com/od/infertilitytesting/a/When-The-Pregnancy-Test-Is-Negative.htm

Hope you doing ok Erica x

And congrats bugs! Wow, time flies.

Can I be lazy and get someone to tell me what this gluten free fertility diet is? Am gonna try to be healthier - what should I be doing?

Fab excellent work on toasting the new eshlet. I shall join you this weekend. I have the wedding that follows the recent horrendous hen do of many bumps. Three big bumped bridesmaids, so no avoiding them. The bride is quite sensitive to my plight though, so I'm hoping for some considerate table plans. If she's surrounded me by preggos I may scream and throw something.

Erica sorry . Never gets any easier. I won't click on that link for now, can't read it while my head is firmly and snuggly resting in the sand .

Blue wheat is bad. That's pretty much it really. It messes with one's hormones. Apparently. I've been back on it while throwing two fingers to ttc, but I have been sufficiently brainwashed by everything I read and how good I felt while off it that when I eat it now I do associate it with a guilty pleasure, and will choose the wheat free option if easily available when deciding what to cook (had a mixed bean chilli tonight, 'twas lovely .

Oh no, wheat is everything I love, right? Pasta,rice, bread?

Urrgh, new work pregnancy announcement. She got married the same month as me. Urrggh

Blue - that was pretty much my reaction! But rice is ok! Pasta can be swapped for gluten free pasta, and although I'm not a huge fan of gluten free bread there are plenty of options out there - I found some lovely gluten free fruited bagels - like toasted teacakes basically. I ate loads of chicken and veg, rice, chilli, etc. Spicy bean burgers with cajun spiced sweet potato wedges and coleslaw is my new favourite meal

Sorry about the pg announcement .

I was supposed to be mountain biking with a group of women tonight, but everyone dropped out apart from me and one other woman I hadn't met before. She's not been out much on her bike since having her second baby 5 months ago.... She started by telling me this, then when we were talking about everyone who couldn't make it she said 'well when you've got a baby and a toddler at home and you can get out you make sure you go'. And then a few minutes later on the subject of getting out when you maybe don't feel like it, 'well when you've got two kids at home.......' And when she started talking about losing her fitness from having the baby despite cycling quite far into her pregnancy I realised I could be facing over an hour of this and decided to initiate project overshare.
"I stopped cycling as soon as I found out I was pg."
"Oh, how old is yours?"
"It's not. I lost it. In fact I stopped cycling even before I knew I was pg as I'd had fertility treatment so I was being careful."
"Oh, I'm sorry, I'm probably the last person you want to be with...."

The following conversation related to cycling/running and when I said I was injured so unable to run she asked whether physio could help. I managed to drop in that I was in the process of getting the physio sorted when the second miscarriage happened which is why I gave up as I had enought to deal with at the time.

The rest of the ride was entirely about bikes and random stuff and there was no further mention of babies or anything related to them .

Well done Barking