You can do it by charting, analysing, testing, and worrying, but we prefer... JUST SHAGGING PART 20!!

[Nessalina]

Ladies, Fred title says it all; we are the ones who shag as much as our men can cope with in order to get upduffed without the stress of scientific whatnots!

Fred rules (copied from previous Fred)

1. Thou shalt shag as much as humanly possible in order to get upduffed.
2. Thou shalt not partake of OPKs, temping, or charting.
3. Thou shalt keep symptom spotting to a minimum.
4. Thou shalt share with your fredmates where needed.

JSing lingo

ERTD = Evil Red Tide of Dooooooommmmmmm. Or AF to most others.

Viroid = This is you, dear poster. This is from the first JS thread when someone tried to type 'ladies' and it autocorrected to 'Viroids' - so there you go!

Pant snot = Egg white cervical mucus.

Doing a kitten = Getting upduffed soon after joining (warning: may induce envy in other posters).

POAS = Pee On A Stick (of the pregnancy detecting kind, not from a tree). Also known as PIAR (Pee In A Ramekin - cos we're posh birds innit). Or PIATLH (Tea light holder) PIAWG (Wine glass) or anything else you care to pee in!

Shagging like something = JSing like a teenage nymphomaniac.

Giving a hooya = Giving a much needed slap to a fellow poster in danger of slipping into ttc obsession.

Contraband = Of COURSE none of us EVER partake of any silly OPKs or temp charting. They are Contraband.

Icing = ovulating. Another autocorrect development!

Getting your Cape on = planning some serious pouncing on DH/DP

TWOT - Two Weeks of Torture!

The link to Part 19 is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1906908-Come-and-join-us-on-the-brand-new-rather-fabulous-and-very-slightly-notorious-or-so-wed-like-to-think-JUST-SHAGGING-PART-19" target="_blank">here</a>

The current Grads Fred is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1817751-Just-Shagging-Grads-Fred-8-Roll-up-roll-up-all-Viroids-welcome" target="_blank">here</a>

The rather nobbish article in which we became a little bit notorious is <a class="break-all" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-dark-side-of-mumsnet-my-shocking-tour-of-the-websites-nether-regions-8905055.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> <img loading="lazy" class="inline-flex mumsnet-emoji" alt="Grin" src="https://www.mumsnet.com/build/assets/grin-D7Eg_B6y.png">

Happy shagging shaggers!

I meant tight pants are bad for swimmers, not recommending Lil wears them..... (although it might help in the JSing department )

morning all!!

I suspect AF is on her way. Not a symptom to be spotted and not the slightest inkling I'm upduffed.

Yet another friend has posted a scan pic on fb - feel just want it to be our turn.

At least I can get pissed on Valentines Day!

haha cosy that made me giggle. although the hot baths and tight pants also not an issue for dh. I have had trouble getting avocado down him so maybe now he'll eat what I tell him!

Rach its not over til its over. not everyone gets symptoms. I know the scan pictures suck. even seeing one of someone I don't know hurts, so I'm dreading sil having her scan next week. chin up though, it's a new day....and a new chance to get the tight pants on and shag

Good morning all!
I got to see the lovely practice nurse this morning, she's so nice. I saw her loads during follow up for the molar pregnancy and when I left she said "I'll be seeing you again for your blood tests!" meaning "when" I am pg, but she'll also be seeing me for the day 3/21 tests anyway. Maybe I should go in for nursey stuff in the morning more often, I feel very chirpy today!

Big hugs for those who need them, sometimes it feels like a bit of a war of attrition against your own body, so be kind to yourselves, keep the faith and keep on keeping on. We will get there, and we'll enjoy some cocktails along the way!

Need some tlc and cheering up today.

ERTD is exacting its revenge on me for daring to think it might not show up - it showed 2 days early with unusual spotting just to piss me off.

But now I'm in the full throes of horrendous bowel Endometriosis. TMI but I'm pooing blood clots. And it seems to get worse each month... while I wait on the list for a colonoscopy to confirm what I already know. Seriously considering going private and just getting it over with.

So it's strong drugs for the pain, hot water bottle for the cramps, awful leggings for comfort, staying close to the loo, and lots and lots of tea for me today.

DP is still away on holiday, we spoke earlier and I told him my period had come, I wanted to burst into tears. Oh crap, I just have burst into tears.

The emotional strain of getting hopes up each month is just exhausting. but I agree with someone upthread (sorry, can't remember who), who said that it's almost easier dealing with the disappointment of ERTD than the hopeful anticipation despite the absence of any symptoms in the TWW.

As for having no symptoms Rach both my Mum and Sister had no symptoms whatsoever until many weeks in. I think my Mum said feeling dizzy was her only clue. It almost makes it harder, because even having no symptoms can get your hopes up eh.. fingers crossed for you though.

Can someone give me a shove and tell me to pull myself together now please? Thanks

cosy oh bless you. Sorry you are having such a wanky day.
I thought if there was blood in stools they scheduled you in for a colonoscopy right away.?
Absolutely shocking that you have to wait.
Hope you get lots of ibuprofen, hot sweet tea and chocolate down your neck and when husband gets home he runs you a lovely hot bath and lots of hugs x

oh cosy I really feel for you. chasevup the colonoscopy and tell them your symptoms are getting worse. can't hurt to try. and with so many cock ups in the NHS these days at least chasing will confirm you are in the system properly if nothing else. I'd come make you a cuppa if I could xx

juniper please share the chirpyness, I think we all need a dose!

Thank you Minion and Lil you've made me smile.

I might chase them up again, I did follow it up because the appointments secretary seemed a bit ditzy and did in fact send me my last appointment for initial consult on the day of the actual appointment so I missed it and had to get another one. Helpful. Last time I checked, she told me there was a 26 week wait at the moment . I'm just frustrated because I think they'll take one look, go "Yep, Endo" and slap me on another list for the Gynae which will probably be another 26 weeks...

Sorry to bring the thread down with stories of my bowels!!!!! I'm treating myself to gooey cheese on toast and MORE tea now, so I'm feeling better.

Although I think I'm going to have to unfriend someone on Facebook, as she is pg with her second child (which is lovely, she's pushing 40 so I'm really happy for her), but with the first child we had a blow by blow account of his entire 9 months, birth, first shit, everything. And it's started again with one of those 'My Baby is 27 weeks today, it's the size of a Bean' or whatever. Not sure if I can cope with that.

One of you HAS to get a BFP soon to cheer us all up!

cosy you should be able to just stop their posts from showing in your news feed rather than having to de-friend them.
I think when I do finally get to put a scan picture on Fb it will be with a caveat telling everyone what we've been through and what a hard journey it has been. hopefully then it will educate people not to be so insensitive with their questikins!

26 weeks is rediculous though cosy I'd write to an mp!

cosy ugh, I feel your pain. I feel like all most of us do lately is just sit around waiting for other people, or at least our ovaries, to get their acts together! I have one friend on FB who blows up my news feed every few days with 39 pictures in a row of her boys - laughing, crying, eating, shitting, hugging, sleeping, farting, sneezing, walking, sitting - who cares?! Too much is too much. I agree with lil try to just hide it for your sanity.

Thanks for the uplifting words, juniper - we need to follow that advice!

Scan and bloods went OK today, I guess. I don't really have a good sense of how things are going. I was told I'm "getting close" but it sounds like there are just five follicles that are measuring bigger. I think my ovaries are just on the slow boat to China. I am hoping slow and steady wins the race in this case. I wouldn't mind if my retrieval was on Friday rather than Saturday or Sunday, so I could take a sick day from work. Gosh, that is certainly a sign that I need a vacation when having a needle shoved through the wall of my vagina is preferable to coming into the office.

So sorry you are so down cosy. It's a crappy situation and sounds like you've got even more going on downstairs! Chase that appointment for sure. Or, if the private appointment isn't mega expensive maybe get that bit done so you can skip straight to the second potential 26week wait! That's so long!

Just made it to the second 21 day bloods today - stupid work trying to get in my way! I'm so bad at giving blood, must have really shy vains. She was digging around with the needle and I just felt sick. I've got some 'shadowing' now apparently. That's bruising to you and me!

lol at shy veins dulcet mine too! when I used to give blood I would make them check both arms to see which was better that day! might go and donate again as there is such little chance of upduffage here

been feeling a bit secretly sorry for myself tidau but trying to stay positive and have ordered ferilaid for men and motility boost to get those swimmers swimming in the right direction! I do feel so lucky that dh and I are both so open and honest with each other about stuff like this. we've even been cracking jokes about it already. sometimes its easy to get caught up in the baby stuff and forget how blessed we are to have our men. sorry not sure where the sloppiness came from!

Evening all.
I have such shit veins I can't even give blood. I have the kids' butterfly needle for medical blood tests. It doesn't hurt at all as the needle goes in more shallow(ly?)(er?)(you understand) so ask for that one next time.

I don't know where my chirpiness came from this morning! I guess it felt quite proactive getting the smear done, another step on the TTC journey. The sun was shining, spring is coming...today felt quite full of promise! Just got to hang to those feelings when then come up and make the most of them.

I hope you've all had nice evenings with lovely food and lots of cuddles. xx

I've never heard of using the kids needle juniper, excellent tip! I'm on my final warning with the giving blood people; if I'm ill again they won't let me donate anymore. Or if I have a failed giving as I've done that before to as they can't get enough in the required time. Don't know what's wrong with me!

Glad you ended with soppiness lil. We are all lucky to be with the gents we want to make babies with, and who want them with us! Sounds like you have a very open minded one too! Can't see me ever getting vitamins through my DH lips!

Hello Ladies, I haven't posted for a while but I've tried to keep up with everyone's news over the last couple of weeks. I got my AF 5 days late yesterday, went through a few days of torture with a couple of BFN's plus sore breadsticks, feeling ick and very tired but onwards and upwards now, hopefully neither of us will be poorly in the crucial few days this month, which I think threw us out last month! I agree with lil we are all lucky to have our fellas - mine even agreed to take fertility vits to help us out! Fingers crossed for everyone x

Sorry to hear that Wharm

And yes, well done for acknowledging our DPs Lil. I faced a monumental battle (including a breakup) with DP as he initially didn't want to get his vasectomy reversed. It was horrendous. I didn't push it, I just left and accepted he didn't want DCs. Then he realised how stupid he was being, got the reversal, and is really keen. He takes his vits (when I remind him), and reminds me that he wouldn't have had a surgeon cut his bollocks open if he didn't really want this. When we had our SA results, he was so chuffed. Whenever I see him being all loving and tender with 'his little girl' (the dog!) it breaks my heart with hope for what might be...

Just need to make it bloody work now eh!!

I'm still in ERTD cramping hell, my endo pains are worse than my period pains, and I had a nightmare about blood last night - at least DP is home from his holiday today so he can give me a hug. I've had no human contact for 3 days (apart from the plumber!), starting to feel a bit like a castaway!

God sorry for being all doom and gloom.

whispers - I ordered my BBT thermometer yesterday, and downloaded Zita West!

Afternoon viroids
I've been hiding for a while trying to avoid the urge to Poas, ERTD was 3 days late but arrived this morning with no warning, not normal for me to have no period pain but I'm not complaining!
I can't scroll very far back on my phone, hope I havnt missed any Bfp's & everyone's tests/results are getting sorted

cosy hope ur DP has returned to make you feel better

lil ur right, we are very lucky to have our DP's I must drive mine nuts at times

cosy you'll actually learn a lot from using the BBT just don't make yourself mental with it!

Grr, sorry furry and wharm for ERTD.

Our guys can be great - but they sure have their moments! Mine was in a horrendous mood last night, and we had a stupid argument that almost ended in me storming out. I'd already booked a hotel room near my doctor's office since NJ is being completely hammered with snow and ice again, and I needed to ensure I could get there this morning for my bloodwork and ultrasound. Eventually we talked it out and he came to the hotel with me. We had a good make-up romp this morning so he's back on the good list

I think my clinic always uses a butterfly needle when they take blood in the morning. I'm fine with getting the kid treatment! I think it also really depends on who's drawing; there is one girl who is fabulous and I am so glad to see her there in the mornings. Some of the other girls are bit rougher and I end up with a bruise. Ah, well, what can you do?

Speaking of, things are progressing with IVF#2. More follicles today so I feel a bit more hopeful, but my right ovary is doing better than my left ovary again. What the hell is wrong with lefty? Doctor says my retrieval will be Saturday or Sunday, but most likely Saturday.

Enjoy the Zita cosy, I found it really interesting. Sorry about the endo & ERTD horribleness - have you at least got some good painkillers? I have cocodamol which helps me actually function during. Hope your DP is back and giving lots of hugs.

Before we were trying, my DH was disappointed in the amount of DTD that got done and told me that he was looking forward to TTC so we'd have to do it more often and he hoped we wouldn't catch too quickly...cut to this morning when he's all "do we REALLY have to???? So tired." But he got on with it so mustn't laugh too much. I do like having that to hold over him. He also takes his vitamins and has given up his rare ciggies and pints. We're really honest with each other about it all and it's nice to have a joint task. ;)

Hi wharm sorry ERTD got you. I can't remember who had the last BFP...latium??

And finally, you're all welcome to hooya the hell out of me, CD16 and waiting for the bus today I was actually symptom spotting! Weird crampy tummy, sore-ish breadsticks and feeling sick. Hit me, hit me!

Things which have narked me off this week.....

1. Evil bitch face AF showed up. I really am not her friend. Upduffage is proving to be harder than I thought!

2. I have gallstones. Three of the buggers to be precise. OH has named them Tom, Dick and Harry. Gallbladder will need to removed at some point

3. WHY THE CHUFF IS IT SO WINDY!?! Nearly dislocated my shoulder when the wind caught the door at work.

Pass me a jaffa cake along with a hooya please.

rach here is at least a regular piece of . Sorry to hear about Tom, Dick and Harry :( and AF.

juniper small whack - no symptom spotting for at least a few more days

Whoooaaa viroids! I am, like the weather, windy!!

Hooyas for the symptom spotters! (But secretly adding that my nipples look odd to me!)

Sooo the tiny sticks of hope have arrived.
I peed and waited and a small light line showed up, so I'm to wait a bit longer yes?
Woah dulcet I'm gripping onto the doorway cause of your botty burps... Thar she blows!

is that opk's minion?

OR SOMETHING MORE BFP-TABULOUS??