The Brookers will get their BFP's by any means necessary, thats the definition of Brooking No Argument!

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Your last thread got somewhat derailed so I thought I would treat you to a lovely shiny new place full of real open fires, fluffy blankets and an aga for baking bread and warming soups and stews. Back on with the job in hand ladies, lets have a round up of who's doing what and when.

Fox I can only agree with what Keep has said, all looks ok to me! Do you know when MrF's results will be back? Once you have those, you can definitely push for a gynae referral. We were really screwed over with MrMs sperm analyses. They refused to give print outs for ages, I have no idea why. One thing to watch for though, if the spermatozoa results come back with an issue, the GP may well make you wait a few months before repeating it and then send you for referral. This happened with us, and also with some friends of ours. It's so frustrating though, waiting is the worst bit

Thanks so much keep and maybe!

That's so bad about MrM's results! I can imagine the waiting will be the worst bit for me too. I'm not very patient!

MrF's results aren't back yet. He only had the test done a week ago, and the GP warned they can take up to 4 weeks to get back . I'm worried that if there is an issue he'll find it difficult to deal with. He's the kind of person to blame himself . I'd of preferred there to be a problem with me really. But I realise it could be neither of us, so will wait and see.

Keep what is estradiol? And do you know what the haemoglobin is showing - ie what does it signify by being a little on the high side?

4 weeks ours only took a week to arrive. Is it worth giving them a call to see? I think if the GP were concerned about the haemoglobin, they would've wanted to see you.

You sound so like me Fox. I would've given anything to let the problem be with me rather than MrM. But as a wise lady told me male factor issues are much easier to overcome than female ones. And MrM really is fine with things now. It took a while, but we got there. But I am brooking no argument that results will come back a-ok

1/3 of people with fertility issues are unexplained fox I just think that goes to show that there is so much we don't know. Tis great that you have good hormones and you are ovulating. maybe's case is quite unusual, so it's most likely that even if there is an issue with sperm that there'll be plenty of the little buggers about, and you can just keep trying hoping and brooking while you wait for it all to tick along. I have read so many stories of people with low sperm count, or morphology or whatever who do conceive naturally. I don't really know about the haemoglobin, it's your red blood cells - i think low might mean anaemia. Honestly, you're so close to the reference values I wouldn't give it another thought. i've always had one or two things slightly out - could be dehydration or whatever.

Ah that makes sense keep - I said to the doctor I thought my iron may be low so she said she'd do a test for iron levels. That's not as bad as I thought then, as it seems I'm just outside the "normal" range

Maybe - When i got my results today if did ask if MrF's results were in yet, but the receptionist said they weren't she might of been being difficult though as don't think she liked it that I wanted a copy of my results. I'll wait until next Monday probably and try calling again. That's reassuring that male fertility issues are easier to overcome. It might sound mad, but I was kind of hoping something in our results would come back abnormal, so we'd know what the issue was and try and solve it. If everything comes back ok, I feel like we'll just be sent away for a year or so, and as I said I'm impatient

I'm fine thanks keep I had some pain on Sat night, which made me remember that I'd had the same thing last time (no idea why though). OTD seems a very long way away!

fox hope you don't have to wait too long for mrfox's results. I was also hoping that the problem was with me, but now it doesn't really matter.in on

Thanks beedle. What does OTD stand for again? Brooking for you and the Beedle 2

fox my memory is appalling from when I had those tests done, but everything keep and maybe have said sounds spot on. Your progesterone is really high, which is great news. Out of curiosity, how long is your LP usually? Brooking like mad for MrF's test results. Considering the tests have to be carried out the same day as the sample was given, I really don't see how it could take four weeks for the results to come back. Def give them a call next week. As for repeating the tests, every fertility nurse and consultant we have spoken to has stressed that a sperm analysis is purely a snapshot of how it looks at that moment in time and that sperm quality can go up and down very quickly (down more quickly than up unfortunately for us) and you can't get a proper picture just from one test. It takes around 90 days for a whole new set of swimmers to be made, which is why the tests are sometimes 3-4 months apart.

Too does DH mind being referred to as 'the horse'? Glad you were able to get some well timed DTD in, hopefully ov will be just around the corner for you.

beedle that is surely the beedle 2 nestling!!

Ooh sorry too you asked about MrG's son. MrG and his ex had a rather nasty divorce and she stopped him from seeing or contacting his two DCs once she found out MrG was in a new relationship with me (this was 2.5 years after the divorce had been finalised!) - the DCs were 9 and 11 at the time. Earlier this year, with both DCs now being in their early 20's, MrG was able to get in touch with them directly via the internet. He now has a pretty good relationship with his DS, but we're still working on trying to establish something with his DD. MrG and his DS have met twice so far this year, so now it's time for me to meet him too.

fox OTD is official test day

geek I'm sure mrtoo doesn't mind being compared to a horse
I would like to think the pain was the beedle2 burrowing but it was a bit early, they would only have been 5/6 day embryos - but maybe they're just impatient like me :o

MrB has been having a bit of a nightmare day, he flew to Stockholm last night for a 2 day course, which then got cancelled this morning, had to wait around for his rearranged flight back, then had to wait out in the cold for me to get home as he didn't have any keys ( I had driven him to the airport and his keys are attached to the car keys). Then he looked in his bog-standard black computer bag that he had had with him, to find that it wasn't his bag. Some other guy on the plane had taken his and he had just picked up the last bag in overhead luggage bit and assumed it was his. Luckily we managed to find some business cards in the bag belonging to the other guy and they are going to meet up tomorrow to swap ( he didn't even know he had the wrong bag until mrb rang)

Oh no beedle! What a nightmare day for MrB! Glad he managed to get hold of the idiot man who took the wrong bag though so it can be put right.

Thanks Geek - I'm getting quite good with the acronyms now, but OTD always stumps me! I have used opk's for a couple of months and got a positive 14 days before AF. So I guess my LP is 12-14 days ish?? I've said to MrF that we should call the GP at the end of this week to see if his results are in as the brookers are saying 4 weeks is too long I've told him I hope something shows up in the results so we can try and fix it and he agreed (actually I think he mentioned it first), so hopefully he won't feel too down if there is an issue.

That's so sad about MrG and his DC's. I don't know how anyone can play with their children's lives like that. I really hope his DD comes round to the idea of a relationship with MrG soon, and hope the meet up with his DS goes well (of course it will!)

Geek, how sad for MrGeek. I'm the child of divorced parents myself and I think it's terrible that any mother would do that to her kids. 2.5 years after they split, honestly! At least his DS has come around - Brooking hard for the DD to follow suit soon. And I suppose if they are adults themselves now then they should have the maturity to be able to meet their father's partner without any problems.

Ha, Beedle, I shall tell MrToo that the Brookers now think he has horse-like...ahem...qualities.

Fox, I don't know anything about these things but I hope you get answers soon! Or an ironic BFP, of course.

Morning Brookers

Sorry I haven't been around for a bit. I've been so busy with work and I've been very down so I've not wanted to think about ttc.

Beedle how are you doing? How are the Beedle2? I hope your managing to keep busy during the 2ww x

Fox it depends on how your GP can access your results. If they can access them online obviously the results will probably have been put on that day. If they have to get them posted back then I think they would probably have them by 10 days. Definitely sooner than 4 weeks! Your blood results look good, your progesterone is high which is great. Anything over 30 means you ovulated.

Geek that's fab news about your holidays and meeting MrG's son. I find it crazy that their mum would do that. I have probably mentioned before that my parents are divorced and I've not got a relationship with my dad at all. That is completely his doing though, I even tried to establish contact after I turned 21. He was not interested though.

Too it sounds like a mission and a half to smack the rat in your house at the minute!

As for me AF turned up a few days late. I've been feeling really low, I keep thinking about my miscarriage over and over which has taken me by surprise as I thought I was over it. I also feel really negative about doing IVF again. I'm convinced it's not going to work for us. DH is having a difficult time with it at the moment as a few of his close friends have just announced their 12 weeks scans so I think that is affecting us both.
We are going away this weekend with a big group of friends. One of my friends has been trying for over 2 years and got in touch last week to tell me she's pregnant. It's still quite early on but she wanted us to know in case anyone guesses while we are away. She couldn't have been more sensitive and we are very happy for them. But I feel terrible as I still cried my eyes out afterwards and I'm dreading all the inevitable baby talk if it comes out this weekend. I feel like an awful friend to even be thinking like this.

Cups lovely, you're not an awful friend at all, please don't think you are. You've had a massively tough time of it all, it's more than understandable you are feeling down. Are you still having counselling? Might it be worth trying another session, just so you can talk everything through?

Have you heard back about changing your care yet?x

Beedle, poor MrB! Did e get his bag back in the end? What a nightmare. How are you doing?

That's great you're going to chase the results Fox!

Geek is it this weekend you're meeting up with MrGs son?

cups that is lovely news about your friend, but at the same time of course it is difficult for you. Do not feel guilty about it. You should feel very positive about your next IVF - i do on your behalf - next time it will work, and I am Brooking No Argument. But if you aren't feeling positive then don't worry - I am quite convinced that wouldn't have any effect, and we are here to cheer you on. I hope this weekend isn't too hard. If your friend knows that you are having difficulty then hopefully she can help you to steer the conversation away from baby chat. Anyway, it doesn't sound like she really wants anyone to know yet.

beedle hope you're ok. Time passes slowly especially when you wait so long to test

cups sorry you're feeling so low, and I'm so sorry that you friend's (well-deserved) pregnancy is going to cast a bit of a shadow over your weekend. It doesn't make you a rubbish friend at all ((hugs)) Hopefully as it has taken so long your friend will be rather more cautious about it than the average instadiffer.

maybe yes both computers are safely back with their rightful owners!

I'm finding this waiting really hard at the moment, physically I'm fine but mentally I just want to go home and cry, and I've still got over a week until OTD. I know that realistically we have a much better chance than last time but even now it just seems so unobtainable. I know taht you're all brooking that this will work and that does help so thankyou all.

cups if it's any consolation, I am still feeling like that, 8 months after the last IVF - I went to the dental hygienist last week and it turns out I have some bad bone erosion above the gum line in a couple of places, she said its probably related to the Fertility Treatment hormones & drugs, it's not going to grow back but we can stop it eroding any further with regular deep cleaning - but I could lose a tooth if it does erode any further! Afterwards I was telling my mum & when she asked if I thought I'd try treatment again I randomly burst into tears... Just the thought of it makes me feel sick, and I don't think I can bring myself to part with thousands of pounds for something that has failed so spectacularly twice before and is having such ongoing effects [physically & mentally]. I really do think it's game over for me now just can't seem to disengage completely...

Two of my best friends are pg now, one was a fairly easy diff and the other is much more stressful [this is her 3rd time pg, 1st delivered 'asleep' at 23 wks & 2nd mc at 8 wks] just have to keep telling myself to try to rise above it, we all have different struggles to cope with; I have a good job, a nice house, I can go on 3-4 holidays a year in termtime if I like and spend my wages on whatever the fuck I want when I want it nice try Scarlett Even 1st friend may have got easy diffed but she will have to cope with the fact her OH works away Mon-Thurs every week and this won't change when she has the baby...

cups please don't beat yourself up about this, you are not a rubbish friend at all and it sounds like she has a fair bit of sensitivity herself so would completely understand. I'm still struggling with my failed IVF too (there seems to be a trend here) - I honestly thought it would get easier as time went on but it seems to be the opposite. I also don't have much faith in my next round, it just feels like I have to go through the all motions before I can finally accept that children will never be a part of my life. I'm spending the time between now and my next round concentrating on me, looking good and feeling good, purely for my own sake rather than anything else.

beedle still brooking like mad for you, lady. This round has gone so much better than your last one. The universe is finally lining up for you. I'm glad the bags/computers have all been sorted out, what a nightmare for MrB! I now feel vindicated in always having something tacky cute stuck to or dangling from my bags

fox it's good when you and DP can talk about these things and genuinely agree that finding something is a positive rather than a negative.

too thanks, I'm sure all will be fine with the visit, I just get really nervous about meeting people for the first time anyway. It has been very sad for MrG, but at least he now has a relationship with one of his DCs which is more than he had at this time last year.

maybe yes, we're going down this Saturday morning

keep how are you doing lovely?

scarlett wow, they certainly don't tell you about those kinds of side effects when they're dishing out the drugs, do they? At least they were able to catch it at a stage where they can prevent it going any further. (((massive hugs))) for everything you're going through.

I had a bit of a hair disaster yesterday - I put a top up dye on as my nice ginger colour was fading fast, and it didn't end up anything like it showed on the box - it was a very dark pinky purple!!!! I ended up spending most of yesterday stinking of rotten eggs after using one of those colour strippers on it so that I could put a more natural colour on.

oh no geek!!! did you manage to get the colour out? I'm sure it'll go fine with MrG's son, but understand why you're nervous. Did their mother bad mouth MrG as well, which is why the daughter won't meet up? Hopefully the brother can facilitate things, but as you say, step by step.

I'm very well thank you. Finish work at the end of this week at 36 weeks, then will just be sleeping, eating cake, and preparing for my painless sneeze birth! :)

scarlett I never heard of that as an IVF side effect either. How horrid.

beedle the second week is the hardest.

Oh Geek! What colour is your hair now?! It will be brilliant this weekend. I'm brooking no argument. I'm sorry you're feeling low too. Have you heard when you can start DRing yet?

Scarlett that sounds nasty! I too have never heard of that. I really must go to the dentist. You are not the voice of doom, so come back. How many days till you leave your job? Exciting times are round the corner for you lovely.

Beedle glad operation bagswap went to plan. The second week is torture. I've never known time go so slow. I am counting down the days till OTD

Thanks everyone, I'm sure my friend will be very sensitive about it. It's just I know how excited all of our friends will be for them. I guess that was making me feel guilty as I felt really jealous which is such an ugly emotion.

I have stopped individual counselling as I felt like we were just going over the same ground over and over. I have been going to group sessions with other women at my clinic which has been good.

Maybe no news at all on getting my treatment transferred, I'm going around in circles between the GP and the pct.

Beedle I remember that feeling. The second week was the longest of my life! Keep hanging in there, I'm brooking for the Beedle 2. I've got a good feeling about them.

Scarlett that is awful, god I had no idea. I must admit I'm a bit worried now as I've had a lot of dental work and have been told I have weak teeth. I know how you feel. I didn't even get out of bed yesterday, I just thought sod it all. I don't have any kids to get up for. I read a new book and cuddled up with my dog.

Geek I feel the same that I just have to keep going through all this treatment before I can move on. I've been reading up on adoption a lot lately, I just don't know if it's for me. I really want a baby, I want the whole experience. Realistically you are unlikely to get a child under a year old. I've even started looking at surrogacy.

Wow the thread has been busy today!

Thanks Too! I think a bfp is very unlikely this month considering its cd 11, MrF has a cold, and we've not dtd so far this cycle But you never know! [wwink]

cups thanks for the reassurance about my results. I'm in a similar situation with my dad too. I'm glad your friend was sensitive to your feelings, but it's always going to be difficult to hear that kind of news. And of course it doesn't mean you're a bad friend at all! Just for you to recognise that she was being sensitive and to be happy for them shows what a lovely friend you are . I think we would look at adoption /surrogacy if it came to it too. It makes me sad to think there's a possibility we might not be able to conceive, and I'm not sure I would feel complete in life without a child in some ways.

Glad the computers got sorted beedle and brooking for you that the next week flys by! It must feel like such a long wait.

Well done for looking on the positive side scarlett. Ivf sounds so draining . I had no idea about the dental problems either I don't have very good teeth anyway so they probably wouldn't survive the fertility treatment!

Hope your hair is sorted now geek Will be thinking of you on Saturday. I'm sure it'll be great. I hate meeting any new people too so know how you feel in that respect.

I've been quite busy so you've all dropped off my threads. Its far too early to think clearly just now, so going to keep this short and read back and post again later.

good luck for Saturday geek I'm sure MrG's son will like you, we do and we're never wrong

maybe thanks for the squeeze!

scarlett scary about the dental problems, I knew that pregnancy can be bad for your teeth but not fertility treatment. Is it a specific drug that's the problem or is it stimming/downregging in general taht's the problem?

Mentally I'm feeling much better today, but physically I'm starting to feel a bit rubbish. I'm hoping its the fabled early-pregnancy-symptom-cold but I think its more likely that I just have a cold. Luckily I've nearly finished for today and tomorrow is a half day. So its almost next week already (tries to ignore that it is still in fact 1 week until I'm supposed to test)

Early-pregnancy-symptom-cold, you say? I have just started feeling v sneezy - you know that constant feeling that you have to sneeze?

Stick, embies, stick! Go Beedle2! Beedle, glad you're feeling a bit more positive and hope that you accidentally pee on a stick on the 4th

Scarlett and Cups, {{{hugs}}} You are both such amazing people - you've been through so much and you're so brave through such crushing disappointments. I really admire you both. I am Brooking that you get there soon, by whatever means it takes. Oh and Cups, I don't think you ever get over something like a miscarriage, so don't feel bad that it's still something you relive. I think traumatic events have a lasting effect and are never really 'sorted' as in you're never going to feel sad/cry over that thing ever again. They do lose their immediacy, though, and the pain comes less frequently and you get more used to dealing with it when it does come. So don't beat yourself up for feeling sad.

Keep, hurray for finishing work! 36 weeks, wow!