Posifrickentivity all round, with a good healthy dash of project desperate. New thread, new luck, new BFPs! TTC after MC

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Come one, come all and join our rollicking new thread with slightly updated brand new rules

(1) A lady may only POAS on a Friday.
(2) Friday means the day that everyone calls Friday in the time zone where you spent the night.
(3) Rule (1) does not apply to POA-OPK-S, UNLESS they are being illegitimately used as surrogate HCG detectors, in which case Rule (1) most definitely does apply
(4) Rule (1) does not apply following a BFP because if you want to waste £25 a day POADigiS that's your prerogative
(5) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady is POAS in an attempt to get a BFN to prove she can start DTD with intent
(6) Rule (1) does not apply if a lady wants for unknown reason to pee on an actual stick, like a twig or some such, if that lady is unexpectedly caught short whilst tramping in the forest looking for bears.
(7) These rules (including Rule (1)) are subject to the change at any time if the ladies of the Posifrickentivity thread decide on a whim come up with empirical evidence to prove that it is luckier to POAS on any other day of the week
(8) Violators of Rule (1) shall be subject to fish throwing.

And as a grand finale, why not pledge to NEVER POAS before 14DPO?

Thanks OLTT - yes I have quite a high threshold for pain - so probably that is why I never feel ov pains. Thankfully we can afford to go private and so I will arrange the appointment for that. Will also go see my GP at some point, but given that I expect to be told to wait for a year, I will not hold high expectations from it.

How long did it take you to conceive before the 2nd mc? 6 months is a reasonable amount of time to have given it - so I do hope the GP is more receptive to your concerns.

Btw any recommendations for private fertility assessment? I have found London Bridge Clinic online and it seems to do the hormonal assessment for whether I am ovulating or not - so was thinking of going for them. But don't have any specific recommendations from anyone. Maybe I google on mumsnet !

triple I ve never had a clear temp shift in any cycle ever, including the one I got pregnant. Some people just don't have that clear shift despite everything working well.

Your gp may offer blood tests but after 3 months and history of infertility that is unlikely. Last year I got a duo fertility monitor. It is a small disc that takes your temperature lots of times over 24 hrs. It takes the average and is very accurate. You up load your data and it looked and explained each month. Now it was super expense but compared to one private consulate at the fertility centre it didn't seem too bad.

I think it may be too soon to worry but then worry doesn't help either. So if gp won't help maybe look into duo? Not everyone rates it but I find it really helpful.

cosmic true I may be panicking too much already - but really disappointed that I haven't seen a spike or even a small rise in my temperature this month. I was hoping even a small rise could suggest that it is on its way up but that's not the case.

I'm sharing my chart here for those of you who can see it. Last month's chart is also visible which showed some kind of rise around CD 21 - but FF didn't think I had ovulated last month either.

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/4670b9

thanks for the tip on duo. I will look it up. Maybe my BBT is just broken !

triplespin I've looked at your chart. The problem with your last month's chart is that most of the data point are 'uncertain'. Those ones with non solid circles. Leading up to the spike, all the sample points are 'uncertain'. It also seems you only have 5 days of high temp. That's only your cycle 2 after mc isn't it? I think you aren't taking your temperature at about the same time every day. As for this months chart, no there isn't a big shift in temp as far as I can see.

I conceived in cycle 0 after my first mc. And it was within 3 months for my first mc. DD was born also within 3 months of trying. So 6 months is a lifetime for me.

triple I'm sure bbt isn't broken. I like duo because there is always someone on the end of the phone to talk about charts with. And no early am temp taking!

If you can afford it I'd get hormone levels checked privately. However, beware my local authority will not fund any treatment if you have gone privately for any fertility tests, consultations etc. We really can't afford the long term treatments ( ivf ect) so haven't dared pay for cheaper stags now (we need nhs options). If we could fund the worst case we'd have paid months and months ago.

3 months is quite early on but if was an option I'd pay for piece of mind. Knowing things are ok makes ttc a little less stressful and that has to be good! My gp is now allowing 3 months of progesteron tests. To me that makes sense the next steps won't hang on one good or bad result! If you do go private get 21 day progesteron tests over a couple of months. A one day fertility test (offered by private clinics) tends not included that. They focus on Amh (ovarian reserve) not ovulation.

triple I'm not sure if I'm ovulating either. I know I have in the past because I got pregnant, but not so sure since MC. I'm trying temping this month, but forgot to take it at the weekend. Today I did it late but it was my lowest temperature so far.

Next month will be 6 months since my MC, so I'm planning to go and see the doctor if I don't get pregnant this month. I've no idea what they'll say - I'm hoping that as I'll have been trying for nearly 9 months since then and I have PCOS there might be something they can give me to help ovulation. I'm kind of hoping the acupuncture might do the trick before then, but I'll only have had one proper session.

Also, if anyone reads Zest magazine there is an article about fertility and age - I found it interesting and a bit reassuring.

nerdy and all other ovulation worriers. Push push for blood tests ideally for 1-3 months ( to get a clear picture). It is now 18 months since we started ttc. A blood test in jan showed very low progestrone. We feel pregnant naturally in april (while waiting fir appiontment at fertility clinic in early May) Post misscarriage we were told to assume it all was all ok for 12 months. 2 months in I broke down on gp and he agreed to check if everything was ok, now!

Morning everyone!
Just wanted to say congrats to Ark - so thrilled that your bug decision to quit work has obviously paid off, exciting times. Also congrats to Sapphire - hope the bleeding has stopped and you feel a bit more relaxed now.

I'm in mn limbo at the mo...too scared to go over to the grads thread in case I jinx myself, but appreciate that I have no right to moan on here either!

Got my first mw appt on Friday - hoping she will book me in for an early scan so I can get some sort of peace of mind whatever the outcome.

Fx for anyone starting the 2ww or the latest bout of bonking - this is going to be your lucky thread!! X

That would be 'big' decision.... Not bug!

sundance I think there's a post mc antenatal thread. I would not be brave enough to join the normal antenatal thread given what happened the last two times .

sundance as far I'm concerned bfp is just a step on a scary worry filled journey. If you're not ready to move threads please stay with us as long as you need to. Worrying and venting very very much allowed.

Sorry that sounds so -ve. Trying to say badly - stay as long as you need and say whatever you need to too!

sundance good luck with your mw appointment. I guess after mc it is hard to really enjoy the pregnancy.

cosmic thanks for taking a look at it. Yes that's true my first chart was basically all over the place potentially due to me not taking temperature at the same time everyday pre ovulation. This month the temp seems a lot more stable but that's even more worrying - I would have held on to even a small rise in the temperature as hope that I am ovulating. Clearly I must have ovulated before mc to fall pg - but just wondering can the mc really mess up my body so much that 3 months on and I have actually stopped ovulating.

nerdy good luck with the temping. The problem is that if you don't do it regularly, then you can always question the pattern in the charts and then I find myself clinging on to false hope. Yes I read that somewhere before that the LA stops funding any fertility treatment if you have have private tests done. That is really ridiculous. Anyway in my case if at some point we did need IVF or the likes, I don't think we would qualify anyway as we have one DC already. I am trying to figure out if the clinics offer the full hormonal tests or just ovarian reserve (as you point out the latter obviously does not address my question of whether I am ovulating or not).

I hope I haven't started up a string of worries now on this thread - maybe 3 months is too early, but for those of you approaching 6 months, I agree that the GP should be doing something about it. I feel bad that I am constantly on dh's case to DTD and then I am not even ovulating and all this effort is going to waste.

Anxious yep, bonkathon commenced yesterday! I normally OV on day 16, so we'll do it every day now for a few days just to be sure!

Triple are you using a centigrade or Fahrenheit thermometer? I think it needs to be the latter in order to pick up even the smallest rise in temp and the centigrade may not be sensitive enough. Timing makes a massive difference too. I set my alarm 15 minutes before I have to get up (even at weekends then I go back to sleep) so I can scribble it down then whack the snooze button and wake up properly a few minutes later.

Sal I'm using a centigrade thermometer and it's fine. It does have 2 decimal places. I got it off ebay.

yes mine does too. In all honesty I think its not the temperature reader but more like anovulatory cycle at this stage - as just like last time, opks are now reading negative, cm is dried up but the bbt yet to rise. Lets see.

Triple I looked at your chart and I think that last month you might have ov around the time of your pos opk because there is a slight rise. But this month does look bad. When I went to gp (ok I waited for 6 months) gp sent me for the day 21 test that checks for ov straight away. I think if you get one more month that looks anovulatory you should go to gp armed with your charts. If you have a real reason to be worried and cry they might investigate.

I use a centigrade bbt and it's fine with 2 dec places

Sal my last AF started on 10 August, so I think 1-2 weeks on the CB Digital is reasonable. My cycles were roughly 28-30 days, but have been mucked around so much over the past year with infertility treatment and WTF cycles following miscarriages that I wouldn't like to say for certain that this is what they are now!

Thankfully the CM is now only a slightly strange colour which does not look too bloody, so fingers crossed. My last miscarriage was on the Tuesday after my BFP on the Friday, so if I can get through tomorrow that's another mental hurdle crossed.

At least all this has taken my mind off the fact that today was my EDD for the one I lost in March at 13.5 weeks. I've had something else to obsess about!

Good luck with the mw appointment Sundance, I think we all appreciate how difficult it is to relax and enjoy being pregnant. That naivety goes pretty quickly after mc.

triple, I was worried I wasn't ovulating last month when my CBFM gave the same reading every day and no peak. It said in the instructions that if that happens 3 times in a row then you might not be ovulating and go and see the gp. But I'm guessing you won't want to wait for 3 months of cbfm use, so if you can afford it and it gives you peace of mind, I'd go private. Although you must have ovulated at least once to get pg last time, so try not to worry, too much (hard, I know)

I'm in the 2ww now. All my gadgets and signs aligned, so I know we DTD lots at the perfect time. So it is all down to luck and biology now! Come on little swimmers, don't get lost...

Fair enough on the BBT front. I had a centigrade one that only did one decimal place so switched to a proper one.

sapphire dates do my head in! It's my birthday tomorrow and this year I should have been 36 weeks preggers and it was going to be the best one ever! So I've told everyone to forget it this year miserable tit but as we're hopefully a couple of days from OV maybe it will be a lucky one....

In any case at least I'll get a legitimate shag out of it!

I've just put the syringe and pot in the dishwasher just in case.......hehe....f*ck me, this TTC malarkey is grim at times!!!

Happy birthday sal!
Hope you don't need the syringe ;)

Happy birthday sal.

I've got a tough day ahead of me ladies. The consultant I saw after my MC has referred me for a scan of my kidneys because apparently women with womb abnormalities (like me) sometimes have kidney abnormalities. The scan is today and its taking place in the ultrasound department where I found out about my MMC. So not only will I have to wait for my appointment surrounded by pregnant women, I have to go back to the place where I had the worst news ever. I am really anxious about it for some reason.