The Elderberry Pavlovas, sausage bouquets, one giant sofa and the Gü pots of destiny! (thread 9)

[Bunnygirlie]

Come on ladies, this is the one! Time for some BFPs!

The smallprint- Berries have a strict entrance criteria (TTC #1, over 30, TTC for 3+months, must have a special pot, NO instadiffers)

goose The gp wasn't really interested in anything other than filling in the forms and getting me out of her hair.

bajas glad you've come to see the light!!!

I'm now waaaay behind as I started typing the above at 7.30 then had to stop as we were off out for a meal with DP's colleagues (last Thursday of the month tradition) so I haven't read the thread since then but am going to post anyway....

...and now I'll catch up...

ww no nhs funding even to see the fc?! That's awful . Does that mean you'll have to pay for IVF as well? . We wouldn't be able to afford it if that was the case for us. Sorry to hear you had bad news, but best to get it now and know to speed up I suppose , or , which would you like?

kitty is it a lane you can only use at certain times if you have two or more people in the car?
And on the fb thing, does your friend know you're trying? I'd be tempted to be honest and tell her that while you're pleased she's pg it's difficult to see bumps so you've filtered down on fb and she might not see as much of you posting on her wall.

This reminds me of something I saw on This Morning last year. They had a woman in who'd been ttc for years and she was talking about how difficult it was to see pg women everywhere, and how it affected every area of your life when you were struggling tc and they also had a woman who'd recently had twins and she had lots of friends who were ttc and they found her pg too difficult and she ended up feeling deserted by all her friends when she most needed their support during a high risk pg. Interesting to see both sides. I'd like to think I could still be there for a close friend, but I still wouldn't need it in my face everyday on fb!!

Just checking in quickly from phone! WimWom, sorry to hear your not so great news, but at least you know the deal and you can get with operation IVF twins...urk! I'm bring forgetful now...who's the other Berry with low ovarian reserve?

Bunny, how long are you on holiday for? How close could you get to day 21? If you can get within 2-3 days, just get it done then and get to the docs.

bunny are you temping? Did you previously think you weren't ovulating or is it just these tests? Is day 21 the right day for you to be testing? Do you know when you have ovulated on previous cycles? I told them it was unlikely day 21 would show anything and I was told to do day 21 anyway but then come back on day 28 if AF hadn't shown, which I did. My day 21 as predicted didn't show anything but my day 28 did.

bunny I'd go with boodle's advice, do it earlier or later, whichever you think might show ovulation.
boodle are you thinking of cherry?

wim really sorry to hear about your results. Would be great to crack on and take action but I can totally understand how shitty it must be to have that kind of news.

blind, I agree, you could talk to your friend about it? not that I would be brave enough to do that sort of thing

barking how was the meal?

And do we get to see a pic of goose's ring or wot?

Note: being a complete incompetent with this forum (showing my age??) I thought Bunny's post of last night was last one on here - anyway, wrote this then realised most of it had been said already... but am now late for work so here goes...

Bunny are you charting and using OPKs or fertility monitor? I guess one or the other anyway! So you know day 21 is the right time of month to do the test? What day of your cycle are you back/leave for holiday and how does that relate to your O day?
From your catch-up, sounds like end of May apt is a GP apt and they haven't referred you to hospital yet? You unfort probably have plenty of time to do more tests before you see a consultant. So (I'm no expert but) I would aim to go on hol, have doc apt, get booked in for hospital and do your next progesterone in June. The big BUT being - the GP will only refer you once they have all the basic tests back that they've sent you for, so I would call your doctor (or make an apt if they won't let you speak to him/her on phone) and check this plan with them - they should have a heart and realise you need to go on holiday but can't afford to delay referral. I'm assuming this is the last test you're waiting for?
Not sure if would be relevant but, I asked my horrible and completely ununderstanding 50 something male doctor to give me three progesterone tests in one month as my cycles are irregular. Also I've read that progesterone can fluctuate depending on how much you've had to eat and just in general, which is I suppose why your doctor is saying go for another month? (As an aside, advice on TCOYF (mainly US posters i think) was that I should use the tests for a pooled progesterone test ie consecutive or alternate days throughout end of cycle, ideally more than three, which they take an average from, however docs here said they don't do pooling and I'm not sure whether you can just take an average yourself or whether interpreting the results is a mite more complicated than that.)

Awww thanks berries for understanding, I will take any wine that's on offer. Have had a good cry and now on with the next steps. Where we are nhs rules are you have to have been trying for 3 yrs, be under 35 and have a known reason for being sub fertile. You then get one round of IVF. DH is 35, I will be 35 just as we tick over 3 years and the gp says we're unknown (despite thyroid issues) so no choice but to cough up. Luckily in my youth I was a good girl and paid into an ISA which I can now cash out to pay for first round at least. Anymore than that we will have to think hard where to get cash from.... Rob a bank?!
Tfi Friday. Anyone any exciting weekend plans?

Morning ladies!

wim I have had bloods taken on day 24 and day 20 so I guess I could have missed it but I haven't had any +ov tests these past few months either.

boodle I'm going to be away days 20-27 so I'm screwed!

barking and gooseI haven't temped YET but I have in the past had +ov tests but I haven't been doing them regularly. I had positives in dec day 18 and jan day 14 which is when my cycles started regulating until this one (which I blame on missing my reflexology)

WW surely they have to refer you to a fc before being able to say whether you are unexplained or not?! Or does the GP send you for hsg and ultrasound? I feel bad for whinging about waiting now, at least I can actually be seen at the fc without paying. Not sure what the rules are on IVF round here, the nurse at the fc said they didn't generally talk about IVF until they'd tried everything else as hopefully we wouldn't get that far.

Meal last night was lovely thanks thunder :).

wim I don't know what the rules are where I live but that sounds really harsh. It's good that you have got that cushion tho if needs be.

Hi bunny how are you feeling today? Are you going to ring dic and explain the May situation?

Oo what did you have barking? Tell me it was a big chocolately ice cream feast!

Hi all. wimwom you are such a strong person (and clever to have put some money aside!!). I am in awe of ladies like you who can just get on with things. In your place I think I would have crumbled.
Like I am today. I have no idea what's going on with me today. I'm all hormonal and angry and teary. Oh hang on, just checked my dates and green week starts today. hmm, I think I have my answer. not been following it that closely this month. I also did circuit training for the first time on Tuesday and I still hurt. Can I snuggle on the sofa please? I also need chocolate and ginger wine there as I can't have either IRL.

It's my day off and I'm queuing for the tip. The queue goes all the way out along the road down to the entrance and along the main road. I thought everyone else would be at work and it would be a quick job!!! Thank god for smartphones!!!

Thunder it was Chinese, and there was a lot of food. I took a box full home for the dog . Had ice cream for dessert but it wasn't great .

I'll join you on the sofa Tally but please kick me off when I get back from the tip as I have a lot of work to do so I can have a weekend free from lesson planning.....

Hi Berries!

Wimwom sorry to hear your results weren't great, must have been hard to hear. Great that you're on course for IVF asap but so sad that you can't get any help on the NHS. Hooray for your sensible finances (wishing I had done that. If it gets to that stage for us, we're screwed). Hoping you're a first-rounder and you get those promised twinnies (did you see the article on the IVF quads? 2xidenticals - maybe that'll be you!)

Tally hugs and LOADS of ginger wine. I will share it with you, am in ?maybe? shag week (or maybe it won't be for another month yet, who the hell knows?) and DH is doing his best but we didn't manage it last night or this morning, and I'm now working today and tomorrow nights so probably no go there either . So we can chow down on comfort chocolate and booze together.

Goosey show us the bling! (And here is my tip for engagement rings: take them off before swimming in the sea )

Bunny where are you going on holiday? If it's UK the doc could arrange for your bloods to be taken elsewhere??

DH came into the kitchen this morning while I was taking my 'get-me-pregnant' supplements and laughed at me. To be fair, I had a ridiculous number of pills and potions lined up on the side, it looked like a pharmacy. Problem is, I can't bear to stop taking any of them just in CASE one of them is the magic pill!

Oh, and Peaches Instadiffa Geldof has just had her second baby since we started trying. And called it Phaedra.

Thanks Peaches.

Yes, but Peaches nearly died of Hg, so I can be jealous of her but never hate her...

Oh, I don't hate her, she's just given me a fit of the ol' green-eye (and I really dislike the name she gave her poor kid, but I guess that runs in the family!) I didn't know she had hg, wouldn't wish that one anyone. Just jealous of anyone who manages to pop two kids out within a year and with PCOS (or even manages to get a diagnosis of PCOS at all for that matter..!)

I didn't know she had that too. She's done amazingly well then as she didn't even know she was diffed for the first one!

Being slow here but what is Hg?

And does money buy quick PCOS diagnosis?!

Thunder Hg = Hyperemesis Gravidarium (acute sickness of pregnancy). Not nice. And I would imagine that being able to go private can buy you as many tests as you want as soon as you want them!

I do actually think it depends on the doctor as to whether you get a diagnosis or not. PCOS isn't something that they've actually got a specific set of parameters for diagnosis for so it depends on the definition the doctor is using. My sister has PCOS but it took her 3 years of having hardly any periods after coming off the pill for a doctor to give her that diagnosis; yet I have a friend with PCOS who got a diagnosis within a few months. I think it helps diagnosis if you look polycystic - ie, overweight, facial/body hair, acne. But you can have PCOS without these (my sis is slim, and like me has hardly any noticeable body hair and dry rather than greasy skin).

Thunder it's a bit of a crusade for me to make more people aware of it, as it's what hospitalised me each time before my mcs. It's a horrible illness because of the ridiculous situation that basic 'morning sickness' is normal, so anyone not aware of hg might not realise they are getting dehydrated and may be dismissed by doctors for being drama queens when really they need anti sickness meds and admission for a drip. Before drips, women died of this - I think one of the Bronte sisters did. It starts about 6 weeks usually so possibly before some people even know they are pg, which happened to Peaches, as she wasn't trying so no-one thought to tell her to poas and the media thought she was anorexic when really she was ill.

Sorry, I'll stop for a breath now.
If you want to find out more, stop by the hyperemesis thread in pregnancy and see what people are going through. Or look at the Pregnancy Sickness Support website www.pregnancysicknesssupport.co.UK

although, be aware that there is a massive photo of a baby belly on the front page as their logo.....

Thank you boom and tally

Yeah I know of hyperemesis now you say it, just didnt know the abbreviation.

So can they stop your sickness tally or is it a case of just keeping you hydrated enough to suffer through? You must have so many mixed feelings about getting pg, what with that and the mc. You poor thing.