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TTC 10 + months, part 14 (eek)

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GinSoaked · 15/03/2013 10:03

A friendly, supportive thread for lovely ladies taking waaay longer than they ever expected to win their babies

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Poutintrout · 08/04/2013 14:54

rabbit x-posted. Is it definitely an evap? No hint of colour whatsoever? How long did it take to appear. In my experience usually you have to wait bloody ages for everything to kind of, well evaporate before you get a hint of an evap line Grin

123234345 · 08/04/2013 15:22

Thanks all. Not sure what the wait time is: I was first referred in February but there have been a couple of delays while they asked for blood tests (which I had done before the GP sent off the referral) and sperm sample (which they've just asked for). I'll be in the system soon, anyway.

One more question... fanny candle??!

EuroShaggleton · 08/04/2013 15:28

fanny candle= the progesterone pessaries you have during IVF. They are vile things - oil based so they melt and all the sludge... well you can imagine.

123234345 · 08/04/2013 15:34

Doesn't sound fun :-( Especially 3 times a day!

joycep · 08/04/2013 16:27

Sorry for being dim are job knobs the pregnancy tests or are they OPKs? I read that OPKs are not a great way to test because there can be LH in the body before a period.
Rabbit - uuuum trying to hold in excitement here.- evap lines appear after 10mins or so. And my hcg was 185 (over 25 is considered pregnant) and I poas and it was white! The next day an ever so faint grey line appeared and my hcg was over 300. It was a few days before it became pink. I think a second line whether grey or not is a line.

Test again!

EuroShaggleton · 08/04/2013 16:31

I think hobnobs was Princess's word for preg tests.

joy you need to pick up some sensitive internet cheapies if you go again - mine gave me a very faint line 2 days before the blood test which showed HCG of 48! The early lines were greyish though.

CritterPants · 08/04/2013 16:33

Hi everyone, I'm back! Grin Proper catch up later (probably tomorrow after have waded through work email)... but wheee gin! I was thinking of you this week and had a really good feeling about your FET... your news genuinely made me giddy when I saw it. Now let's hope for a nice easy nine months and a beautiful ginlet at the end.

sar really interesting post about Dr Tube... fascinating and hopeful stuff.

Sorry to post and run - will update more later. Waves and snow-dusted tailfeathers to all. So nice to get back to spring weather! Paw squeezes to those having a rough time at the moment.

CritterPants · 08/04/2013 16:35

Also rabbit !!!! Grin Test test test again!

ThatWayMadnessLies · 08/04/2013 16:54

Oh rabbit if it is an evap line that is just too cruel. You stay calm and controlled and we'll do all the menkulling for you. You can delegate that task to the 10+ers :)

gin still thinking of you and hoping that all stays positive (in every sense of the word!).

mrsd what is your treatment plan looking like? I'm just starting to plot out rough dates on my calendar so that I don't plan any really important meetings around potential EC and ET dates.....

Welcome back critter. Can you send some spring this way please? We have had hints but drive home from our mini holiday in the flipping snow yesterday!!

pout I thought of you when I got to the egg sharing suggestion as well. Not not are lots of us past the age limit, but if we all had sparkly eggs many of us would not be here in the first place :(

buzzy I'm a bit late to the downregging discussion but as the queen of downregging I can say that I have had only a few ovarian twinges in four months. It's the menopausal symptoms that are hard to manage but for only a short time I think that they shouldn't be too horrible for you. I am hoping so anyway.

sar I am so keeping everything crossed that your job stress sorts itself out soon. Your discussion with dr tubes was really interesting coming from a one tubed wonder and I'm glad that you felt listened to. Try to hold on to that positivity.

My weekend was lovely and we had some really good discussions about the future and adoption and stuff. Had my last booze and caffeine before stimming starts on Thursday. I appreciate that that may be overkill but for the first cycle i will give it a shot. Might help with the diet plan anyway..... Looking forward to twinges and bloating as a trade off for hot flushes Grin.

Free wifi about to conk out and phone has no reception so big waves to numbers, joy, euro, doll and lemon when she returns.

GinSoaked · 08/04/2013 18:02

Just throwing in my t'penny's worth for rabbit... What kinda test were you using? If it's one with blue dye, grey could be a bit of the blue? My 1st hobnob was a sensitive Internet cheapie and the 2nd line was kinda grey, like a ghost line. Having spent almost 3 years looking at the bloody things, I knew it was something different. The only evap I've ever had is on a frer - it instantly appeared and then disappeared. I Would recommend a frer peeing on a fiver and also looking at the pee on a stick website. She has some good egs of evap lines - I have googled pee stick lines like a mad woman over the last few days. I've found I get different strength lines depending on the timing of my wee. Sorry that's prob not that helpful, but thought I'd share my pee stick knowledge. But I do so hope it wasn't an evap line x

Luffs to everyone else. On train so swift post. Blood test booked for tomoz and working from home, so I don't cry in front of anyone when I get the results. I feel different today, so am worrying that everything has stopped. I know I'm menkul...

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sarlat · 08/04/2013 18:23

Rabbit -aw seeetheart, I really hope something is happening. When will you poas again? Sootting doesn't usually start and then stop.

Gin -hold on tight. Symptom wavering is normal. Xx

rabbitonthemoon · 08/04/2013 18:44

Gin big squeeze, the waiting must be tough. But no period has to be a good thing. Thinking of you.

Pout I had a wappy early ov after my op, it was strange. You might just be getting back on track. It's strange but my odd short cycles got me back to ovulating on the full moon which I thought was Confused

It was an Internet cheapie and the grey line came up straight away, no pink so I take that as bfn. But it did elevate my heartbeat for a bit! Joycep I didn't know yours had been white. If only there were better tests out there. In october there was colour in the line, faint but def colour. I have quite intense cramps now and just feel exactly the same as if my period is minutes away. My fsh was crappy this month so I know how this ends.

I caught sight of my reflection today and looked old. This business is really bad for my self esteem in a lot of ways, particularly how I look. I did hot yoga in front of those huge mirrors and thought bleugh lady you have let yourself go! 24 periods instead of a baby feels like a crap deal. But I checked the due date for this month and got Friday 13th December. And we all know how I feel about that!

ArtemisTheHunter · 08/04/2013 18:46

Hello ladies

Gin woo hoo! Oh wow Grin Grin - exciting stuff - as others have been saying, a line is a line but the blood test will reassure you. Please don't stress about random cramps/ feeling like everything has stopped. It was exactly the same for me. I think hyper-awareness of every single thing your body does plays a part. I had severe womble cramps and ovarian pain for about the first 10 weeks and continually thought it meant something was going wrong. Ditto not having most of the standard symptoms. Everyone is different and the only thing that can tell you what's going on is the blood test and the scans. Everything crossed for a good strong result tomorrow Grin

Rabbit oooooh.... I am so hopeful for you. It is such a headfuck when years of waiting means you can't trust a pee stick - anyone not a 10+er would be skipping about thinking of nursery colours by now. I can totally understand your hesitation and all the things crossed for Gin are doubly crossed for you. It really should be your time.

Pout I'm so sorry the cycle didn't work out. Onwards and upwards to FET. I have sat on my hands re the IVF thread and not gone there. You're right, it's totally offensive that people can't even try to put themselves in others' shoes, it gets very dispiriting to read the same old crap time and time again from people who have no clue what they're talking about.

Sar Dr Tubes sounds great. A consultant who will actually listen to you, take your views seriously and is actually interested in fertility research is like hen's teeth but I'm glad you found one. It sounds like you are in good hands. I can understand feeling wobbly but things are sounding positive for you. You had great eggs and good strong embies. You have a doctor who is an expert in your particular issues. Chin up lady, you are making very positive moves. I'm sorry you're going through job worries, that's the last thing you need. I've been trying to get up to speed on the NHS changes but they seem huge and baffling, I don't think half the electorate has a clue about the extent of change that is going on. I hope your situation gets sorted soon.

Buzz wow it's all starting to happen. I don't recall ovarian twinges during downregging but i did have some generalised aching during the stimming phase. For my ET we had a strong recommendation from the embryologists and went with their views. I could have argued but they're the people with the expertise to make those decisions so we let them get on with it. Grin at Kayla's new look. Our cat loves any kind of DIY activity, the dustier/messier the better, then she can spread it all round the house.

Madness good luck with the move to the stimming phase. For me, I felt a lot better during stimming than I did during downregging despite bloating and random pains, hope you find the same.

Joy hope you've recovered from the tennis match! I'm glad you sound to be getting back to normality. I'm a bit Shock at the grubby clinic but presumably surgical areas were spotless! The clinic decision is a difficult one. I can't remember who raised it originally. We didn't have a great deal of choice as there are only 2 within a sensible travelling distance and because we were self-funding via the NHS they were the only two choices available. We went with the one the satellite clinic recommended as offering more flexibility and private rooms. Sounds like a very shallow basis on which to make a decision but I had driven myself crazy searching clinic stats and trying to make some sense of them and Mr A sensibly pointed out that we just needed to make a decision and get on with it. According to all the stats it shouldn't have worked for us so I now take statistics with a big pinch of salt, what matters is the individual situation. They will have so much more information to go on as you go into a second round as there will be so much detailed data on the first one, that in itself ought to improve your chances.

Grouch really good that the HSG was all clear. That's a major issue ticked off the list. I guess it doesn't take you any further forward in terms of a diagnosis but it's good that there were no problems found.

Nelly what a lovely thing to say about the grads Smile. Angry at the witch's appearance. It really was time for the ironic diff. I have never been convinced that spotting is not an issue. Everything I've read says that spotting can be due to an issue with progesterone so the fanny candles may well be a good idea. AFAIK extra progesterone can't actually do you any harm.

Sorry for recent radio silence. I've been reading, but working 12 hour days at my desk for the last couple of weeks finishing financial year end reports so have not had time to post (or to do much other than eat and sleep). However we're now having a week off to relax so it's payoff time. Staying in a cottage in a part of the country much posher than the one we live in. Mr A has been hyperventilating at the price of a pint. Good job I'm a cheap date these days. Have been feeling fine, hard to believe we are past the half way mark, not sure I will ever stop worrying but starting to feel a bit more confident now a bump has appeared (albeit a small one) and I'm getting a few weird sensations that might be the baby or equally possibly might be wind. Still not buying anything baby-related and keeping it all very low key but it is starting to seem a bit more real.

Waves and tail feather shakes to Sea Lemon Madness Doll Mrsden Critter Numbers and anyone I've inadvertently missed. Hugs and booze-free chocolates to all the IVFers and extra paw squeezes to Rabbit and Gin. I'll try to keep a bit more up to date now the worst of the work craziness is over, i do think of you all frequently in a friendly not in a stalkery way and wonder how you're getting on Smile

ArtemisTheHunter · 08/04/2013 18:54

x-post Rabbit. I'm sorry for the battered self-esteem. I think we can all relate. Mine has taken a big knock over the last few years and has not really reappeared even after the successful IVF. I can't trust my body any more which makes me quite sad. I'm sure you don't look old though. You look gorgeous in your holiday photos on t'other place. And really, does anyone (other than airbrushed slebs) ever look good doing hot yoga? Just the idea of it makes me go sweaty and blotchy. Maybe time for a few treats to make you feel more positive, things you know will lift your mood? I have really had to force myself over the past few years to do the things that will make me feel good. I am still hopeful for you but not going to say any more that will fuel mentalling as the headfuck cycles really are the pits. And Friday 13th best avoided for sure!

rabbitonthemoon · 08/04/2013 19:16

Art I feel so glad to see you! Thank you. You are right that bikram is a sweat fest. Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad there is some baby motion and that you have a lovely break planned. Did you find out the flavour or are you keeping it a surprise? You are missed here lovely.

ArtemisTheHunter · 08/04/2013 20:15

Thank you Rabbit, what a lovely thing to say. We didn't find out the flavour. There are few enough surprises in life (and we didn't want to be inundated with colour coded gender conditioning before it's even born). The down side is I'm instead going to be inundated with cream/beige/lemon matinee jackets as my mum has gone into hyper production mode but I guess at least if everything is beige the sick won't show so much Smile

rabbitonthemoon · 08/04/2013 20:24

Oo art a surprise will be lovely. Bring on the beige!

rabbitonthemoon · 09/04/2013 10:07

Just to say af came in the night properly as expected. I want to get on with treatment now, I'm finally ready. I'm fine as knew it was on the way but bothered about the whole fsh crappy eggs spotting disasters.

EuroShaggleton · 09/04/2013 10:32

Rabbit I'm sorry AF arrived. I was feeling cautiously optimistic for you.

Art how lovely - a surprise. I've always felt that I would want a surprise. I'm not sure what Mr Euro's view is. I can't believe you are at the halfway point with a mini-bump. How are you feeling?

critter welcome back! How were the hols?

madness it sounds like a good talk was had. We always seem to have those discussions in the car. I think sometimes the emotive stuff is easier when you don't have to look one another in the eye (or maybe that's just me).

Good luck for a good test result today gin. May your HCG be sky high. :)

seaviewasia · 09/04/2013 10:47

Gin - Have you done the bloods? Any news? Keeping everything crossed for you. Pls tell all! It?s about time we have more good news on this thread. Would love for it to be you.

Buzzy ? Hope you are feeling okay. Kayla sounds lovely. I love cats!
Sar - It was me who asked about Dr Tubes. Would appreciate his details as I sometimes travel to the north. Great that you found a doc that you are comfortable with. Makes a big difference.

Art - Lovely to hear you and your pregnancy progress. Glad it's feeling more real for you. Good call on not finding out the flavour although I'm not sure I could do the same. Not knowing would be too difficult but I agree about not enough in life is a surprise. Beige is a lovely colour.

Rabbit ? Sorry the witch has arrived. Sad. Well done on the Bikram. I am sure you don't look old at all. Everyone looks worst than they do in those big hot sweaty mirrors. I have been meaning to do a few classes. Once I get over this awful cold which has knocked me for six, I will do a few...

Madness ? good luck with the first cycle. Exciting? Hope you feel okay.

Sweet ? not sure if I wrote already to say thank you for the detailed explanation on immunes. Makes sense. I?m looking forward to being tested. Just not sure what I want the result to be. I have no control anyway?

Critter ? welcome back!

Joy ? well done on the tennis. Hope you have recovered.

Sorry if I have missed many of you. I am still very cloudy from my cold and have gone deaf in one ear.

seaviewasia · 09/04/2013 10:50

Sar - meant to also say I am sorry to hear about your job situation. There's a lot of it about at the moment but it sounds like you have plans in place. Hope it all works out okay.

EuroShaggleton · 09/04/2013 10:56

I've realised I forgot to mention Mr Euro's weebits appointment yesterday. He had his bladder, kidneys, prostate, etc ultrasounded. Everything looked normal. They ultrasounded again after he had emptied his bladder and there was slightly more retention there than was normal (apparently 50=normal, 100=investigate further, 200=problem). His was 55. So they might want to repeat the scan. He's getting bloods and a urine test too and he hasn't had those yet. In one way the best result would be some sort of minor (fixable) swelling or infection. He's mulling over going for the DNA frag test too. That can be one of the sources of mc, and I read last night that it can also cause slow early embryo development. The article didn't explain exactly what that meant, but our embie was at the low end of the range at day 2 (2 cell when the normal range is 2-6) and seemed to implant late, etc. I've had the DNA frag thing on my mind since I read that article about there being DNA frag problems in 80% of unexplained couples. As we are unexplained, I guess it is our most likely problem, so if we can find some sort of minor boy bits problem, that might get us somewhere.

On a lighter note, he was quite shocked at how painful it was to have a sonographer press down hard on a full bladder. Erm, yes, try it when they are running an hour late and you have a speculum pushing UP squashing the bladder from the other side... I think he now understands why I was going a bit cross-eyes during ET!

EuroShaggleton · 09/04/2013 10:58

Sorry to hear that you are full of cold sea.

joycep · 09/04/2013 11:38

Rabbit ? oh no i am sorry. You seem to have a lot of these close months where something appears to be brewing. Do you think you will get immunes tested? I think something does snap inside at some point where you think enough is enough, i?m ready for treatment. And it?s a big jump up but i promise you?ll feel better for doing something. Personally i liked handing control over to someone else. I quite agree this situation is so bad for self esteem and I?m sorry you feel like that too. Big paw.

Art ? it?s lovely to hear from you and your update. It?s wonderful you are over half way now. Time has probably dragged so much for you but I always find that other people?s pregnancies go by really quickly. Are you still in shock that you are pregnant..actually can you even say the word? You sound so low key about it. Did you ever imagine getting this far? Sorry for the questions. I just feel like there is such a massive mountain in front of me to get there and I wonder whether not being able to envisage it happening is a bad sign. Confused

Gin ? i hope today goes well and puts your mind at rest. Blood tests are nerve racking but can also be reassuring. I really don?t think the poas are an accurate way of knowing what?s what. And please never worry about posting on here. It?s funny I became very self conscious about posting my worries for fearing to be insensitive yet I never feel like it is insensitive when people talk about their pregnancies on here. They are long waited and much wanted bfps and the first 8 weeks ?9months-- will always be a worrying time for everyone.

Mad ? i?m glad you had a nice weekend with a good discussion about adoption but you won?t be going down that route.

Euro ? yes it sounds like I need to get internet cheapies. I have to say i loathe the damn things. Although rather sadly i have kept the one which showed a really strong second pink line ? i can?t bear to throw it away. I guess that?s weird. Oh and thanks for asking. Bleeding did stop a few weeks ago. I thought it would never end but actually it only lasted 2 weeks. It wasn?t really bleeding actually, it was gunking. Also I recommend the sperm frag test. It may indicate infection which can be sorted out.

Pout ? i reckon a cycle after ivf is always going to be a bit wonky. Very good points you made about ivf.

Nelly ? sorry about AF but onwards to treatment. I hope the stimming is going ok.

Sar ? you are not pathetic and you don?t need a slap. We are always preparing for the worse. The last 3 years have been an ordeal for you and it?s only natural to think things will go tits up. When is your hsg? I?m sorry to hear about all the stresses at work as well.

I?ve been feeling a bit het up recently and my anger seems to have come back. The scales last night told me I have put on 10lbs (did other ivfers put on this kind of weight?) and I also have 7 friends who are ttc at the moment. I?ve really kept myself to myself this whole year but as soon as one of them gets in touch with me , i feel this nervous energy go through my body and my heart rate goes through the roof. I can?t stop wondering are they aren?t they. I want them to go away and not get in touch just in case they tell me something ?exciting?. I feel so safe when I don?t hear from people who potentially could drop an announcement on me. But at this rate I will become a lonely angry baroness and I worry how long this will go on for. Roy received an email announcement yesterday with a scan attached. He was pretty cross about the scan bit especially as the couple knew of our issues. Perhaps we are just oober sensitive. But really what are people?s obsessions with broadcasting their scans to all and sunder? Surely it?s quite personal? Or perhaps i?m being ratty. Can you imagine the backlash if asked that question on AIBU?Grin

akuabadoll · 09/04/2013 11:49

I just popped by to see if gin had the blood results done and saw your post joy Seriously who are these people? You and Roy are not not not not not ratty or sensitive. It's just thoughtless poor behaviour and I'm Angry on your behalf.

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