TTC 10+ months, Part 11

[buzzybee123]

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

Cross posts

Critter - your lovely post ALWAYS make me feel better. Thank you for thinking of me. Vitmin D is essential. Glad you have some nice Crimbo plans.

Joy - it is my sisters wedding. The day itself will be brill. The symbolism of what it represents and what may come after makes me feel bad for myself ifyswim. My lap is proabaly 28th Jan. I did some reading in to short LP's - seems it can just be a dud month where progesterone just doesn't get going and hopefully will be a one off. Has AF arrived in full? I think you have some good plans in place for next year.

sar are you getting ready for your move job wise?? When is your sisters wedding??

nelly hope you and the highland two are ok

doll how are you??

madness soryy AF has arrived

critter thanks, I've had migraines/tension headaches since I was 10, I do love my my hot water botty, I have just knitteds a nice cover for it,

joy thanks yes today has been a good day migraine wise, sorryaabout the messed up cycle, I am trying not to think about what is going on and trying to accept that it is beyond my control what my body does right now

Well I now have a new laptop yay :) sadly Kayla is on heat :( and driving us mad with all this meowing, shall be booking her in for the snip asap, although she has been spending more time with me now she is hormonal too

waves to everyone else

Yes Buzzy all good, did my final Ovitrelle today (the injection that's in place of the progesterone arse bullets ) but am managing to forget all about it due to wedding madness.

sorry for not namechecking. Phone doesn't seem to like the updated app and won't let me on to the thread. Finally in front of my pc but must go to bed as the bags under my eyes are not attractive! Love to you all. Some of your posts have made me very sad, I hope you are all ok? I am reading and will post when I can, but know I'm thinking of you, all the time.

Oh cosmos don't completely disappear from MN as I will give you photos and the wedding story in a couple of weeks as you asked . Totally understand where you are coming from though.

mellow yeh, brilliant news, so happy for you.

What's all this about baby royal? I guess I'm lucky as MN is the only place I've really seen it. It's dreadful when the media can't leave something only, what a bore. Honestly though I couldn't give a monkey's arse 'bout what those folks get up to, diffedness included, it's completely meaningless to me. For me it would be the same if a character in a book got pregnant.

cosmos I enjoy your company here and hope to see you back soon, refreshed.

nelly I need some wellies! After bragging about the sun on here it poured for a whole day yesterday. Speaking of footwear I just remembered I have a moan to share. My best ever, brilliant, perfect in every way boots expired the day I found out I wasn't pregnant. I hate shopping and could not replace them anyway So, back to you! When's your bloody test day? Bloods or pee. I know there is some time left but thought I'd start bugging you now.

Where the bloody hell is Artemis ?

joy sorry to hear about the short cycle but at least sliver lining for no Xmas scan. And rabbit any news on the A+? lemon good luck for the IUI

madness you sound like me with the pessimist/miracle against all evidence combo.

My doctor is recovered! I just talked to him on the phone after trying to reach him the last couple of days (I congratulated him on not taking this phone into the op room - ) He hadn't heard my news despite the fact that the clinic did actually call me in the end. I wasn't forgotten after all. Yeh! Just that they called on Monday rather than Friday. He wasn't particularly encouraging regarding further cycles, but this seemed to be from a perspective of the risk of getting dragged into fail after fail and wearing myself out rather than because this cycle gives information that suggests further attempts would not be worth a go - a couple of good quality embies did go back after all.

I said I'd go see him after the new year. I'm traveling for Christmas so nothing can be done before anyway. I don't even have my period back yet (now realizing I forgot to let him that, he didn't ask) so it remains to seen what happens to my cycle. I was rather hoping for some sff at roughly the right time sort of thing before leaving here for Christmas cause once at folk place it's unlikely to happen. You see it's the ironic post-IVF updiff time (please see comment to madness above)

I've missed tons of people and stuff going on but I have to eat left over pizza immediately......

I forgot to say lemon I can't believe your BFP cycle was back in July. Where does the time go? Good luck again for this one. X

Hello all

I haven't been hiding, just ridiculously busy - work at the weekend followed by two of those lovely 12-hour days that Rabbit and I are so fond of. Have a day at my desk today and am a bit dazed and confused. Went swimming this morning but didn't take a towel and didn't realise until I'd got out. Had to dry myself on my top and shiver damply home in the cold!

Rabbit did the A+ announcement arrive? they really are shitty. I'm giving a virtual kicking to the knobber that came out with the 'nature's way' comment. Babies are natural in the same way that cancer is but we don't push cancer patients out into a field to die. How is your pink spotting - did it stop?

Doll I'm glad you spoke to Dr Rock. I can't see why he would discourage you from another cycle given the quality of your embies, and they would be able to finesse the drug doses a second time around so you shouldn't have a gruelling 50-day cycle again. I'm sure it's a numbers game. You just have to get lucky - I can't understand why my mediocre embies stuck and yours and Gin's didn't. It's not fair. But good to give it until January before making any decisions for your body to recover and to enjoy the christmas booze. Bugger about the boots. I have similar much-loved footwear that I cling to even though they don't look their best any more and I will be gutted when they finally give up the ghost. Or I might just throw them at the twat who came out with the 'babies come when they're ready' comment. I've heard that too, from a late 30something mother who had panicked that time was running out, got lucky and then justified it to herself afterwards as far as I can tell.

Mrsd I'm in awe at your pregdar. I avoid TV news and tabloids so haven't seen much of the Middy news but I imagine it's going to be hard to avoid.

Lemon wow the time has flown since July. Good on you for getting back in the IUI saddle - fingers crossed it works for you again.

Joy short cycles are such a headfuck. It doesn't mean the antibs haven't worked though, does it? I'm really interested in the age discrimination case. Few clinics offer 3 cycles to women of any age and our clinic was quick to point out that the NICE guidelines are just that, guidelines. There is nothing that says they have to be enforced.

Mellow fantastic news on your scan! It must have been brilliant seeing the heartbeat. My viability scan is at exactly 6 weeks, i didn't think they could see a heartbeat so early, I'm surprised they didn't leave it longer.

Buzz the long migraine must be the pits. Sounds like Kayla does need the op, though on the other hand kittens are unbearably cute!

Pout 'babies' is one of my favourite Pulp songs too, not that I'd associated it with ttc, it's far too seedy . We have a shit plastic Christmas tree that was the cheapest one Wilkos had to offer a few years ago and we told ourselves we would buy a better one but the truth is we're both tight so the chances of that happening are nil We usually spend xmas on our own because neither of us likes each other's family, I wish I could get in the spirit a bit more but I'm an atheist who hates shopping so there isn't much in it for me really . Nice food and booze is my usual failsafe. There is a lot to be said for dangerous soft cheeses and a good mulled wine.

Nelly how are the Highland Two? Hope you're feeling good

Sar when I had my hsg the consultant talked his notes into a dictaphone that the receptionist types up later. I do wonder at the margin for error, there was a lot going on in the room and a fair bit of background noise. Do you think this might have happened with yours? I do think the lap will give you better quality information on which to make a decision. Concentrating on SFF and putting it back in Mr Sar's hands sounds like a good option, it sounds like you need to take the pressure off yourself at least until after the lap. Waiting is the worst part of any treatment. Try to stay in the moment with your sister's wedding and not think too far ahead. My younger brother has been married 10 years and they have two kids. I'm so far behind now it doesn't matter any more but he does make twatty patronising comments sometimes that I just have to ignore. I do understand the feeling of comparison which must be harder with a sister. Big hugs and extra chocolate truffles for you.

Madness sorry AF showed up, hope you are feeling better after CD1 misery.

Cosmos I understand you needing to take a break but as others have said we enjoy your company on here and hope to see you back in future

Critter Mr A clearly doesn't have your poetic sensibilities, the Blob has remained the Blob - how flattering . i don't think either of us can yet get our heads around it.

I'm fine, except I still don't feel pregnant. It's three weeks post ET, one week since the test but I've got no symptoms to speak of, at least none different to normal PMT (sore boobs/womble cramps/ wanting to eat everything in sight). I've put on about half a stone due to the IVF drugs/progesterone and the resulting constipation, and the fact i've barely done any exercise since ET - my stomach sticks out in a way it never has in my life. Might POAS tomorrow to see if i still am. I have an occasional panic that maybe they mixed up my test result with someone else's and I've never been pregnant at all .

Oh I have an icky story about the progesterone bullets (avert eyes if easily grossed out). I noticed a small blob of what looked like white wax on the hall carpet the other day. I could get it out after a lot of scrubbing but it's left a mark. Then another, and another, forming a little trail from the bathroom to the bedroom. Finally realised it must be bits of suppository that had fallen out on one of my nocturnal visits to the bathroom . Mr A has since nicknamed the bullets 'fanny candles'. So Nelly I think you've done well to avoid both the arse bullets and fanny candles. I did wonder (though rather too late) if bits of them might end up floating round the swimming pool this morning. Major ick

art I wondered the same about swimming, but mine was more attempted avoidance excuses, it was parental duty kind of swimming and I hate swimming in indoor pools in the winter at the best of times. Without a towel? God, nightmare. Bloody fanny candles, how long do preggo types take them? (just wondering if your hall carpet will hold up). I haven't got used to not having wet pants all day yet, I figured it would be replaced by period but it seems I get a break from fanny happenings, though I did go to the loo today thinking period but CM apparently I've been working at home the last two days and out in the mud tomorrow so I'm sure that will help speed things up. Btw, I thought 6 weeks on the nose is on the early side for a heart beat but I guess they wouldn't schedule you then if there was a good chance that it was too early, 'cause then they'd have tons of repeats which doesn't seem smart. I mean even if the individual wants to know as soon as possible, the hospital staff are hardly on the edge of seats are they?

Popping in to steal some of those truffles arte. You are 5 weeks now. Yay. Although arte and doll you have completely grossed me out with your bullet-trail-swim stories! Just as I was thinking I might be able to do IVF after all...

The BFP incidentally was in August, but most the stabbing was in July. There is that pesky two week wait. But yes time has flown by. I feel a very familiar hormonal headache coming on, so I shall love and leave you.

But not without shouting GO highligh TWO, GO!! and signing up for the complete wedding story, photos etc. Good luck with the last bits of preparation nelly.

Big waves and luffs to all the 10+ers (and an extra big one for cosmos if she is lurking, do what you need to, we're here for support and we understand the need for distance!)

Highligh is highland obviously. I should not write when tired!

Evening ladies,

Quite a quiet day on here. I might even be able to keep up with the name checking - maybe......

joy my op is a week from Friday (the 14th) which is all starting to feel a bit more real. sar I ended up buying a sample container from boots for 40p because I couldn't get to the gp during opening hours. A bit about carrying it around all day tomorrow before the appointment but it says a morning sample so needs must and all that. It's better than the early morning dash with MrM's sample anyway! I hope you're feeling better about the wedding. I agree that trying to stay in the moment is best, if bloody difficult to do.

doll very strange about Af not making an appearance. Your hormones must be confused . Glad you finally tracked down the doctor. Interesting that he isn't pushing you back in to treatment quickly. Giving you time for that post ivf ironic diff I'm sure

Hang I there art no symptoms at this stage isn't very unusual. And anyway, pmt symptoms are symptoms I think! My mum had no morning sickness or anything with me and I turned out alright Your carpet situation on the other hand is rather gross.....

buzzy poor old kayla doesn't know what's coming...... I never understood as a child why my parents found it so funny that after my dad had a vasectomy I thought that he'd had the same surgery as our dog and kept telling people that he'd been neutered . In retrospect my mum thought it was a lot fu nier than my dad did!

nelly can't wait for the wedding stories

art (sore boobs/womble cramps/ wanting to eat everything in sight). re a pregnancy symptom I am sure the sickness and exhaustion will follow in a week or so, might I suggest knickers to help with the 'fanny candles' I can understand POAS though.

doll glad you have found your doctor,I am a little confused as to why he wouldn't want you to try again, it could work next time??? Hope you get some SFF in before you leave

madness at your story, I can only hope that it ends soon so we can get her sorted, I have two people recommend a vet near here so that is where she is off to

Well AF is due on Friday but I feel alright about it all, I haven't had any tears or the usual 8dpo mood drop which is good, feeling pretty good in general, just cold, loved the snow this morning, I woke Barry up to tell him, he said surely after 16 years here the novelty has worn off umm no it certainly hasn't :)

just watching the news, no surprise that the Aussie's are in with their pranks already and even less of a surprise taht the staff at King Edward Hspital are too stupid to notice the difference between and Aussie and the Queen

Buzz - wedding is 22nd of this month (trying not to out self) de ma petite soer. Feeling better about new job. Current manager gave me some help with goal setting for my new role etc today which was good. Although not looking forward to telling new boss that I will have an op 2 weeks after I start at end of Jan - ooops. Glad the migraine has settled and you have a new lap top. It's great to hear that you are feeling so well in yourself!! Poor Kayla - bet she doesn't know what to do with herself

Nelly - glad you are busy with exciting wedding plans - a great distraction. It has been a bit sad on here recently hasn't it. I have always been fasinated by how this thread seems to be a reflection of the psycology of TTC. We seem to have gone through many phases as a group - phases of shock about being in the position, followed by crazy ttc tricks and tip swapping phases followed by alternative treament options, followed by medical input and then sometimes real down periods. It seems that we all really undersrand one another which is something that money can not but in real life.

Doll - that Dr's attitude is a little odd. I understand that all woman need to be careful that they don't exhaust themselves with IVF and don't do it unless they really want to. But that shouldn't be the startig point about whether you go again. And you didn't tell them you were finding things stresfull during this cycle either. In fact you took it in your stride. Yes - you did have great embryos and were simply unlucky this time. So if you want to go again then I'd say you have really good odds still. Either way, I hope you have a lovely relaxing Christmas break with the Doll Guys. xx

Artemis - do you know, I hadn't thought if it was crap dictaphone / typing that led to the weird report - good thinking. Thanks for the advice about staying in the minute. Every little bit of support I get from you lot honestly does make such a difference. Sorry about the bro's twatty comments - you must have grown a thick skin to deal with that. Thank you for the truffles - I do love em. @ fanny candles. I undertand your nerves about worrying if this pregnancy is real. Those symptoms sound just right though. If it will reassure you then dipping a hobnob sounds like a plan. Gentle squeezes and good luck to you my lovely.

Lemon - ooo I am excited that you will be doing IUI agian soon. You can be 200% confident about things working out again very soon.

Madness - I am sorry that AF turned up - she's a cow isn't she. I think your optimism is admirable and will carry you through and allow you to reach your goal. Based on your focused and sensible attitude towards your lap and tube removal I think you are going to wake up after the op feeling relieved and pleased with yourself. You will then be free to move forward on to IVF knowing you are back on an even playing field with every chance of getting pregnant very soon - what an early christmas present [frin].

Joy - how is the thrush and pesky AF? How are you in general?

Rabbit - did the annoucement come? Aw, it is so yucky and stabby. I'm sorry.

Hello to Euro, Pout, Teu and everyone else.

wonders in and shouts hello heeeelllllooooooooooooo is there anybody there well I am making sure I have my lunch break, as I am entitled to have one :) not much to report, MIL friend is driving me mad with her constant moaning, told her she should stop moaning and be grateful she is pregnant again in 4 months, others have been waiting longer never mind.... I have got my AMH results back which say 1.1 which is in the very low/ barely detectable range, so I now wonder if it has been low for the past 2 years I have been trying or if it has just suddenly dropped in the last year if always been low then we keep trying as it has happened before, if it has dropped then we should just consider donor eggs, something for Barry and I to discuss tonight over Kaylas constant wailing

waves to you all.......... off to scoff mince pies and put the kettle on :)

Quiet on here at the moment!

sar I do love a winter wedding, but I'm sure it will be hard. I know when I got married it was hard for my (older and single) sister. I'm sorry love.

doll It is a numbers game, and you had great quality embies. For lots of people it does take a few rounds (not saying it isn't bloody hard). We were all in awe of your coping mechanism when you were going through it, in spite of it being crap in terms of care on top of everything else. I do agree that taking a holiday break is a great idea.

art the story about forgetting the towel reminded me of when I was taking progesterone to bring on a period. I forgot I'd invited not one but three separate guests over for dinner. I think it's good sign that you're forgetting things! But how miserable to have to shiver home, you poor thing. Nothing worse than not having dry clothes to put on!

buzzy your cycle seems to have been different this time. I love snow too - it was nearly in the 70s here for a couple of days this week, totally bizarre! Has got cold again now.

cosmos sorry you are leaving us - do come back when you feel ready. Totally understand though.

madness good luck for your op sweetie, not long now to wait. You seem very calm, you should be really proud of yourself! I'm sure it doesn't always feel that way. But this op has got to be a good step in the right direction.

nelly I hope your 2ww isn't driving you too bonkers and that the wedding planning is taking your mind off it a tiny bit, if at all possible.

Well I was out and about yesterday, celebrating my 33rd birthday with a management course (yay!) followed by a lowkey but very nice evening out in a bar with MrC. My chart is back to being all over the shop so I think my blood in CM moment on Saturday was just a random occurrence. I reckon my ovaries keep gearing up to ovulate and then can't quite manage it, like when you have a sneeze and then it doesn't appear. Oh well, not long now til IVF time and then I can just outsource the job!

critter happy belated birthday :)

Critter ? happy birthday. There are a few 1979 girls on here. Very strange aobut the blood in cm, i was crossing fingers it meant something. Anyway if it doesn?t, clammy paw will be here as we go in to ivf together.

Buzz ? you are amazing and calm about amh results. Mine were only a little bit above yours and there was a lot of tears! I will repeat my mantra that many women have babies with a 0. Something level and your fsh is pretty good if i recall correctly so DE talk a bit premature?? It has happened before.

Sar ? oh goodness, i didn?t realise it was your sister?s wedding. Family weddings are pretty stressful at the best of time (oh perhaps that?s just my family) and they always serve as a reminders especially when people nose in to your business but hopefully that won?t happen for you. But you are right the symbolism of what is to come is stressful. I?m glad you current boss is being helpful for your new job , that?s good. I?m sure your new place will be understanding about your op. They?ve got to be. thanks for asking after me. AF has been painless prob because it was such a short cycle and touch wood thrush seems to have gone. Hopefully it was just a dud cycle and not some sort of resetting of my cycle. I don?t think i could cope with a 23 day cycle.

Madness ? not long to wait until your op. I hope you?re feeling ok about it.

Lemon ? welcome back and best of luck with this cycle. Hopefully you will get another bfp very soon.

Art ? it does sound like you have quite a few pregnancy symptoms! Sickness starts a little later on. I did laugh at your progesterone candles story. Sorry you are so bloated at the moment. that must be very uncomfortable but hopefully all just good signs.

Doll ? i?m glad you have a bit of a break over xmas so you can regroup and decide on next step. Any sign of af yet?

Nelly ? hope you are doing well and i can?t remember when your wedding is but soon i assume.

I had 12 vials of blood taken a few days ago which are now winging their way to Chicago. Goodness my blood has seen more of the world than me. Hopefully will get those immune results back before xmas. If one particular result is dodgy, it will delay ivf by several months whilst you are injected with humira or something. Have decided not to look it up all in the name of taking it as it comes. On way to do bloods, I had to walk past all the tv cameras and camera trucks as you know who was in the parallel road. I just thought typical and i was on my first clomid round on their wedding day and was told by the gynae that i was to call my 2 follies that month ?Wills & Kate? if it worked. Gah and humph.

xpost buzzy - you are so together about the AMH. I'm just so impressed by how you have managed the past few months, it's been amazing how you have become so much stronger at dealing with all this horribleness.

joy gah indeed about having to walk past the Kate debacle. Harrumph. I will be so interested to see what the Chicago tests say. Are they looking for something specific? about your globe-trotting bloods.

Ladies, I have a question. Sister Critter is thinking about freezing her eggs. She's 35 and single with no bloke on the horizon. Of course, that could all change quickly, but given my woes I'm inclined to encourage her to go for it. I know it's expensive and not a guarantee by any means, but figured it can't hurt, as she can probably manage it financially. I am going to suggest to her that she does one (or maybe two) rounds and freezes half the eggs and then fertilises the other half (or tries to) either with donor sperm or with gay friend sperm, so she has frozen eggs and frozen embryos. I don't know if this is good advice or not. What do you guys think? Also, is there somewhere in London that is particularly advanced at this sort of thing? I read they've got a new 'flash-freezing' method that is meant to be much better at not damaging the eggs than the old way of doing it. Thoughts?

Critter ? i think that is very forward thinking of your sister and a really good idea. Do i remember correctly that she found out she had low amh a few years ago/? I think freezing eggs plus embryos is s a good idea so at least she has some fertilised. And she may never have to use them but at least it will give her some peace of mind. I?m not sure where in London specialises in this though ? I am guessing the big fertility clinics like crgh, argc, lfc etc. I have heard that the Copehagan fertility clinic is big on this sort of thing and may be a lot cheaper. Also may be worth checking out this article, it sounds interesting: www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2130269/Now-women-delay-motherhood-freezing-ovaries-having-implanted-years-later.html

Thanks so much joy - I will look those clinics up and send her some links. I think she's a bit freaked out by the process, but as you say, it will give her some peace of mind at least, and better to be proactive if possible. We were thinking that if we were lucky enough to have any extra frozen embies after we do IVF this year we would keep them and maybe later donate them to her, but I know that is a slightly more complex thing, and although I would give her my eggs in a heartbeat, it'd be slightly different with MrC involved too, ifyswim.

Critter - I think your sister's plans are wise. Would egg freezing be equally as successful as embryo freezing - or is there a difference in how they cope with thawing? And happy birthday. Another 1979 chick here. 33 feels like a rounded and bouncy number - hopefully lucky too

Buzz - as always you are an inspiration with your coping mechanicsm. I have to say I agree with Joy that although the DE option is great - it may be a tad premature for you to go there just yet. I doubt the AMH would have plumeted rapidly and it does flucutate. Surely your FSH and relatively recent pregnancies suggest things aren't that extreme maybe? In any case I hope you come to some good conclusions and move forward with a plan.

Joy - glad this AF wasn't painful. I really doubt that short cycles are going to become the norm, but I know it is annoying that your cycles have decided to go a little wappy. More about weird cycles below. Sorry you had to pass by 'that couple' on your way for bloods. I am lot like you in that I find symbolism in everything at the moment. I am impressed that you took the step to send blood to Chicago. Wahtever the outcome, it will help you without doubt. Yes sisters wedding isn't easy - not the wedding itself, I just feel under huge pressure and I can't seem to find an outlet.

Had a good reflexology session this week. She has got me a new homeopath treatment for scarring / blocked tubes which apparantly also matches my personality so she thinks its perfect for me. I am having a very heavy discharge month so far . Loads of creamy cm last week and I am now on my 7th or 8th day of ewcm. Normally get 4-5 days of ewcm. I think I ovulated yesterday. Anyway not had much shagging during shag week due to feeble attempts to stop ttc with intent for a while so I really shouldn't be taking notice of any body signs. My reflex lady reckons the recent full moon or new moon or something is the cause for the extra discharge in this cycle which enhances fertility. She reckons the moon can clear us out and boost our ovaries etc. I did have a particualry painful CD1 this month and apparantly lots of woman have had painful and wacky periods and cycles this month too - Joycep - thinking of you. Apparantly it's mother natures way of trying to re-set our bodies and make new / fresh. Apparantly there may be an increase in the number of babies born in 9 months time. . Anyone else had a weird period?

wonders back in with full thermal mountaineering gear, its blinking freezing

critter I personally would say yes to your sister freezing her eggs, not sure about fertilizing some unless she would think about having a child without a man in her life but you can always suggest it to her, can't hurt, I know Create do it. In fact when they were talking about it at the Create open day I remember thinking I wish I had thought about it. It is best to cover all bases as you never know what ill happen in the future. It is a big decision but I think a sensible one.

joy You should be able to get air miles for your international travelling blood can I ask who you are having the tests done through?? You can PM if yo prefer?? I think Shehata is now looking into using Humeria.

sar does your sister know about your TTC story??? I too am having a funny cycle, I had really bad cramps and a bit of spotting for 7 days before it started, today is CD1 and had to take a painkiller as it was so bad plus I felt sick too

Thank you ladies but I expected the AMH to be low, did have a little tear with my life coach but she is such an amazing woman and I feel so calm about it all.

My plan is to hit my GP up again for FSH, LH and E2 tests again (next cycle) I will ask what Create think my chances are then ask Shehata what he thinks, from there we will decide what to do.
We are limited by funds,I obviously would love to have my own baby but if they were to say that the chances are very slim then maybe we would be better to put the money towards DE, the place in Brno specialize in DE and have something like a 70% success rate???, I am of the thinking that I will have a baby eventually, either my own, DE or adoption, I desperately want a baby so if DE offers me a better chance I would be silly to turn it down. I am not worried about the baby not being biologically mine, I will carry the baby and love it like it was my own.
I don't see the point of fighting against what is happening, I plan to go with the flow and see where it leads me, I'm not going to have a baby the way I planned but by god I'm going to have one somehow someday

I have also decided to contact the MOD and offer them Kayla as a form of torture, any terrorist would crack and confess all after a day of her wailing oh dear here I go again talking about her all the time..................

wave to all you fabulous wonderful mothers in waiting :)

sar I'm glad you had a good reflexology session, and that is so interesting about what your reflexologist said. It sounds a bit woo but it does seem to chime with our experiences! Even old 'quiet as a library ovaries', yours truly, with the EWCM with blood!

buzz you have an amazing attitude. Your life coach sounds like an absolutely incredibly woman. I really am in awe.

Apparently eggs are more fragile than embryos and less likely to survive a thaw. But I think my sis would much prefer to freeze eggs than embies, as that way if she meets Mr Right she could use his sperm, and if she didn't need to use them at all, she'd be discarding eggs not embies - I know it's a small difference but it is still a difference. It's bloody complicated, all this stuff. And I feel bad talking to her as I don't want to upset her or stress her out, and she says I get a 'crazed look in my eye' when I do because I'm so wrapped up in thinking about it all.

buzzy tough news on the stats. It could still happen, of course. I have no idea of mine, I guess they can't be good. The testing just hasn't been part of my path. Your 'own baby' will be just that, no matter the outcome of these details. These painful painful details. When he or she is here you will love that little bugger with all your heart and this will, I promise, be a detail. I say that as a parent who is in an extreme set of circumstances where I never, not for a day, get left to forget our 'special' version of events. Your baby, your baby, always the same goal.

critter I know shit about it but I heard the same, eggs much more difficult to freeze than embryos, to the extent it is still hard to justify. Of course I understand the difference completely. At the end of the day, if you can, do the thing that is most likely to be of benefit?

Buzzy sorry about your AMH but well done on being so calm about it. FWIW it's close to mine (assuming they are using the same scale and I have embies remember :)) Like Joy I too bawled my eyes out and broke down rather publicly on MN

Critter - I think it's a good idea for your sister to freeze her eggs - oh how I wish I'd done that. But I'm not sure about the embies. My sister still has 2 frosties and as she now has 2 children they are unlikely to be used. We did have a vague chat about them; as she is too old to donate eggs to me if that's the route I end up down; but we decided it was not right to use those embies as they would be full siblings to her two. I'd rather use a stranger's eggs and have Mr Nelly involved. In the same way, if she later has a partner she wishes to have children with, embies that are not related to him might not be the solution they were hoping for. Of course that's just my opinion and creating embies does add another level of defence against future childlessness.

Joy wedding is in a couple of weeks. getting very very busy!

Interesting about the moon and cycles Sar. I really do hope there are loads of babies in 9 months. Well, 8 to be honest . I hope the wedding is ok. Mine is the opposite scenario. Pretty much every one of our guests has had at least 1 of their children already. In fact a few can't manage due to logistics related to them. So the bride will be the only barren, and I'll be terrified of any second announcements :(. Of course I might be faking drinking all night :)

I can fully recommend the wedding/IVF combo. Really haven't thought about Talisker and Laphroaig much at all. Have instead thought a lot about how best to fold napkins . Don't worry Lemon you will all get the full story, although I'm not sure I'll put pics on here. I might PM you links to my facebook once I've put some on there.

The App is still not allowing me to read this thread. Which is annoying for keeping up, but good for my wedding work productivity. So only catching up in the evenings.

Waves to Rabbit Lemon Teu Pout Euro Madness Art Doll MrsMellow and everyone else I've missed.