TTC Super Ovulation part 3

[Arianrhod]

Hey ladies -

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Part 2 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1475108-TTC-Super-Ovulation-part-2?pg=1

Thanks Ari. Yes, that all makes sense. Thus far I had understood from my biology A level a very long time ago! In fact I've just had the post and Dr Alan Beer's book has arrived so I'll be able to study it in a bit more detail.
What a situation to be in for you, knowing that getting pregnant is a lottery unless you have IVF. Although I suppose it's the same for all of us ladies except you know the actual reason why.
So what test did you have and with whom?

I asked Mr S if OH and I could do the DQa test (along with the LAD test and karyotyping) and he agreed, sending us to TDL to get them done. Which I am now fighting my insurance company about, since while they agreed at the time to pay for it (back in June), they have now rejected the claim and won't pay. They've told me they will now have to listen to the recording of the phone conversation in which they authorised these tests to see whether or not they did actually agree to them being done ... the fact that they gave me an authorisation code for it doesn't seem to matter!

How infuriating! Having had similar things with cat insurance in the past, I fully sympathise.
Can I ask how much that test alone cost? I've had karyotyping already.
I'm meant to be working but am avidly reading Dr Beer instead, all about my uterus behaving like a den of lions after perceiving my placenta as a cancer in my last pregnancy ...

The DQa test on its own was £100 each, so £200 total. LAD test was 'only' £85 each, I thought it would be more than that.

I found Dr B's book very interesting, seemed to have all the answers. Yet even knowing what it says in there and having had most of the tests recommended, here I am, one year and three months after starting this whole RMC investigation lark and over 2.5 years of TTC, still with nothing to show for it except an extremely empty bank balance and a whole world of frustration.

Thanks. Yes, the book is all very upbeat but we all know it's not quite that simple. And it all assumes we have unlimited cash to pursue every avenue. I am now reading the parts about endometriosis, which I have, stage 4, and am quite amazed I have ever produced a baby at all. I'm definitely getting the feeling I'm not approaching the whole thing aggressively enough, with just hydroxy.

Ah, now you've hit the nail squarely on the head. The cost of all the investigations can be huge, and the treatments on top even more so (be thankful none of us have been told we need iVIG ... !). Even just supplements can work out very expensive (certainly if you take as many as I do!), and if you then factor in IVF as so many do ... well you can see why some people take out second mortgages. It's frightening :(

So what do you think you might do next brown?

Yes, I'm rattling with my supplements. And they always seem to run out at the same time, when I'm down to about a fiver in my account.
I suppose I'm pinning quite a lot of hope on my laparoscopy. If he tells me that everything looks normal then I shall start thinking of other tests. There might even come a point when I think of asking wealthier family members for a loan. Taking DHEA has relieved a certain amount of my anxiety that it's now or never.
I was interested to read in Dr Beer's book that severe postnatal depression is linked with the whole immune thing. After I had my DH, I was hospitalised for 2 months, in a mother and baby psychiatric unit, with what they thought initially was postnatal depression, but was later diagnosed as bipolar disorder. It was a total nightmare for everyone involved and took a long time to resolve. I still take medication for it, to add to my other dozens of tablets.
I think the cumulative stress of recurrent miscarriages was a major trigger, that on top of my generally obsessive personality, and the sudden withdrawal of pregnancy hormones. Even if you get the baby in the end, that anxiety doesn't just vanish overnight; it just morphs into something else. So I would say to everyone on here, whatever stage you're at, look after yourself as much as possible and take time to relax.

brownstag that's very interesting to read. Sad of course but helpful to others. I was seeing zita west psychotherapists and had deep hypnosis treatment as my anxiety and obsessiveness after the last mc after IVF in march tipped me over. I was and am still a little, convinced having a baby ( my first) will solve everything and I couldn't see my life or move forward without that. I think I've eased up a little as I slowly wonder if I ever will get that dream but it is interesting to hear it isn't all rosy and rainbows once you get there. Perhaps a rude awakening. I have had all the dr g tests DQ alpha match too they do add up but is less than an IVF round.

Ha! I know exactly what you mean .. I'm almost out of resveratrol, multi-vits, pycnogenol and something else that escapes me that's just as expensive (can't believe the price of resveratrol, something like £22 for a month's supply!) and I don't get paid for another 9 days :( Too much month left at the end of the money!

Sorry to hear about the bipolar ... I tell you, those hormones have got a hell of a lot to answer for. And stress of repeated miscarriages, even if you physically bounce back each time they do have an emotional impact with a much longer reach than people expect who haven't been through the same, I think.

Have you got a date through for your lap? If nothing else it will reassure you that all is well inside - or else provide you with something to look into. Either way, you have another piece of the puzzle - for me, all information is vital, whether positive or negative; at least you know a bit more afterwards than you did before, IYSWIM.

Ha ha, I like it, too much month left at the end of the money!
I've banned myself from reading the Healthspan/Nature's Best/etc magazines they send as there's always some new supplement that I'm sure to want. I'm itching to Google a couple you've listed but am resisting ...
My perinatal psychiatrist, who is a fantastic woman, a complete genius, told me recently they are starting to realise that hormones are neuroactive substances. They are now working on ways to use oestrogen safely as a treatment for postnatal illness/depression, plus possibly for schizophrenia. I'm sure lack of oestrogen was an important factor for me because at the time I started going bonkers I was having hot flushes and night sweats. Insomnia was my main symptom, and interestingly since taking DHEA I've been sleeping like a log.
And yes, Duggs, managing anxiety always used to be last on my list of priorities because I was only interested in that ONE THING, but I realise the error of my ways now. Not only for my sake but for other people too.

Well, AF has shown her face this morning, albeit very light and thin/watery - I've never had an AF like that, so a bit puzzled as to what's going on. Typically the 'ideal' 2 days for a follie scan fall on Sat/Sun this month, so I'm either going to have to have an early scan again on CD10 or a late one CD13. Here we go again ....

Sorry AF showed her head.

I expected it lemon, but ty :)

Sure it couldn't be implantation if it's so different? Having said that, my last period was like that for the first day, where it normally starts suddenly and heavily overnight.

Def. not implantation, just ... odd. Perhaps because it's post-mc? Not sure, I guess I just wait to see what happens at my follie scan, what my lining is like.

Sorry about af Ari and hope it is not to much of a weird one.

It sounds like you went through a really hard time brown so glad to hear you are looking after yourself. Also wise words about the anxiety not going away just because you eventually reach that goal.

Duggs I know what you mean about wondering if you will ever reach the dream, mine has become more and more distant as time has gone by. I used to imagine and fantasise what it would be like having a baby but i don't bother torturingvnyself anymore!!

Sorry for the depressing post, not feeling well at the moment with a cold and feeling quite down about lack of success with super ov :(

Big hugs for you pebbles, understand the feeling. Try to take heart from what happened with abney, where SO did nothing and then she got pregnant naturally once she stopped taking the meds. Just goes to show that Nature wants things her way ... :)

I know nice thought Ari but has never happened naturally for us only with ivf....

I think we need a group hug :( xx

Yes defo, think we could all do with one!'

Yes please. Just had a Facebook ambush of people and their babies looking so content!!!!

Know what you mean duggs, found the same on FB last night, even the 'comedy' posts seem to be about babies, and a friend of mine is posting lots of pics of his beautiful newborn baby daughter. While I'm honestly thrilled for him, at the same time ... well, you know.

Yes, we know! Don't you also find that certain people having babies affects you more than others? Usually I really am genuinely pleased, but there's the odd one where I've had to have a private weep and feel, yes, I admit, total envy. I have one friend for instance who was trying at the same time as me and kept sending me texts saying things like 'Babies in the forties! That's the way to go! All it takes is good timing!' It might be the way to go, if, like her, you've never had a fertility problem in your life. But when you've got endo, a history of recurrent miscarriage, high NK cells, one ovary working, as well as being the wrong side of forty, it's not quite so simple. And of course she is now 22 weeks pregnant, aged 42, having tried for a few months. Which is lovely for her, of course, but I couldn't help feeling she'd turned it into a race, one that I was bound to lose. It was almost a relief when I did 'lose', to be honest and I could stop secretly dreading hearing her inevitable good news.

I know what you mean for me it is usually family ones that I find hard. It is also those that were pregnant with their first at the same time has my first miscarriage are now on baby 2/3, whilst I am still waiting to get off the starting line so to speak. I also had one person who wanted me to join her group so I could follow her pregnancy week by week, obviously hide those updates.

I just keep thinking eventually we will get there. Also it is not "my" baby they have got, so am usually happy for them. Just can be so hard when FB is full of babies at the moment

That's where we need that crystal ball again lemon. I could put up with all this treatment, supplements, even the miscarriages, if I knew that at the end of it it would work - we will get our baby. But I'm 44, 45 in 2 months, and just don't have that assurance that it really will happen, unfortunately :(

brown Know what you mean .. it's fantastic that your friend is pregnant at 42, but it really doesn't make it any easier for you. Group hug!!