Fantastic 40+ thread - part 7

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Shiny new thread - over here everyone

Hopeful, thanks for sharing your charts. I have dissected them and come up with a few things. Firstly, you ought not to be getting your true LH surge on the same day as ovulation (Zelda says so!) Could it be you're catching the tail-end of a surge when you record it on the same day as ov? I suspect this is the case, as, in the majority of your cases of this kind you haven't recorded an OPK result the day before. This is quite pertinent, I feel, if you are relying on the LH surge to time your intercourse (I suspect you're not jumping DH's bones twice a day every day around ov seeing as he doesn't want to ttc). If you are relying on the LH surge, and you only catch the tail-end of it (and hence have sex on the day of ovulation) you may well be leaving it too late (especially if you ovulate early in the morning and only have sex late that night). Do you see what I'm getting at? Of course, I don't want to patronise you here; I know you've been pregnant only recently and therefore know what you're doing etc, but I do wonder whether your timing is off alot of the time (please don't be angry with me...there's more):

I also suspect that fertilityfriend has (gasps) pinpointed your ovulation day incorrectly on at least two occasions, on the Feb 2 and March 31 charts this year. On the Feb chart I would pinpoint ovulation at day 19 not day 18 and on the March 31 chart I would put it at 14 and not 12. This also fits with my theory that you're catching the tail-end of your LH surges alot of the time. Six times out of the last 8 charts you have recorded LH surges on the day of ovulation. If you're leaving sex on that day until late at night I think you may be missing the life-span of the egg. Just a thought.

I also noticed a couple of charts where you have over-ridden the fertilityfriend technology to pinpoint your own ovulation day (the charts where the coverline and ovulation vertical lines are blue). Is there a reason for this? I would be particularly wary of this practice, especially if your OPK readings are skewed.

I hope you don't think I'm a know-it-all, or that I'm being presumptuous about your love-life. Quite the opposite - and, like, I said, you've been pregnant several times in the last year so you're obviously doing something right. Can I ask which OPK strips you're using? Will your DP consider having sex two days in a row without him getting mighty suspicious you're ttc?

P.s...it definitely looks to me as though you ovulated yesterday. How exciting!!

P.ps..try not to test again after you've detected a true LH surge..it doesn't help when you look at your charts retrospectively, I feel.

Do you always test for pregnancy every day from DPO9? (You don't kave to answer that, darling, it was a rhetorical question ) This would DO MY HEAD IN. It seems to me that this only brings heartache every day you get a BFN, no? The best, best, BEST of luck to you this month, Hopeful x

Hopeful, the reason I suspect fertilityfriend has occasionally got your ovulation date wrong is because I also use The Fertility Awareness Detector, which is 'based on the Fertility Awareness Method (FAM) as it is widely published (ovulation is detected after 3 temperatures above the previous 6) with some enhancements. This detector is best suited to those with regular chart patterns who are already familiar with this method.' [quote/unquote] From your charts you can clearly see a 0.4 degree temp shift (or more) the day after you have ovulated, whereas the two months I've highlighted as possibly being wrong on your charts there isn't anything like this kind of shift - until a day or two days later. Something to think about.

I also think your Aug 2011 chart was off, too. I think you ovulated day 16, not day 14.

Somewhere, those employers/interviewers should be bloody shot. What an unprofessional hoo-ha! Dicks. I'm sorry you're having a horrid time of it. It seems to me that achy boobs are a method of mentally torturing women who are desperate to conceive. Next time, take absolutely no notice of your breasts/emotions/moods/cramps - infact, anything which might suggest you're pregnant. Difficult, I know. It's too much heartache when the period finally comes. Did you have sex on the day of ovulation and the day before? Obviously you don't need to answer that question but I'm obsessed with people's intercourse patterns (well, not everyone's...just those on here who are trying to get pregnant. Anyway, the way I see it...if we've got past the poo we can get past the sex, no? )

As you can probably tell, I have very little work to do today. Well, this isn't entirely true. I received a few chapters of a book this morning from a would-be author who is obviously keen to jump on the '50 Shades Of Grey' bandwagon. In between this: and this: , sputtering my , and with laughter at this sorry excuse of a novel, I have managed to accomplish very little and so have decided to waffle, instead, on here whilst considering demolishing a packet of

Oooh! Maybe DP won't need the Viagra tonight...I could let him read this novel

cuckoo it was a bloody hooha let me tell you. the important thing is to move on and not let it affect the future. I think on some level I didn't want the work as I've been falling behind on various other clients. I think I fell afoul of the 'knowing your limits' thing which is so stupid of me. but i'm moving on.

i am noticing a pattern as a freelancer of being v active in the week on here then quiet at weekends when i leave my computer alone! I think some people are the opposite.

my intercourse was on the day of the LH surge, two days before, three days before and five days before.

Re hopeful - isn't ovulation at least 12 hours after the LH surge - so doing it at the moment of the LH surge is ok? not that it's worked for me so far.

Good luck with the shagging cuckoo maybe leave some key pages from the novel on the sofa where DP will find them and it can seem all spontaneous!

Somewhere - hope you get an answer soon. Hope everyone is okay.

Quick question for Diege - what is agnus castus and what is it supposed to do?

hey goth thanks x

Hello again.

Someone asked about DHEA. It was recommended to me when I had my Recurrent MC tests at a private clinic, the consultant said she had a number of 40+ women taking it to "improve egg quality". I just thought why not... Gum had some good info on it too.

here

Agnus castus, is a bit of a catch-all fertility herb, but I took it for about 6 months to try and lengthen my LP. Again who knows...? But a couple of people I knew and trusted recommended it and I was in the "will do almost anything now" camp...

Thank you, Jollster for that information.

Somewhere, everything I've read and reasearched states ovulation takes place between 24 and 36 hours after your LH surge. Occasionally I have read that ovulation can take place up to 48 hours after. Never 12 hours. You may be confusing it with the lifespan of an egg, which is deemed to be 12 hours (but can be up to 24). Because we cannot with confidence know the exact time of ovulation, Zelda West (have you read her terrific book?) recommends plenty of sexual intercourse in the days leading up to and including the day of ovulation. If you are relying on OPKs to let you know when to begin having sex, it's important not to kid yourself that any line on the stick equates to an LH surge (tempting though it may be). The test line has to be as strong a colour, if not stronger, than the control line. Anything fainter than this is a negative result. Those who record a positive OPK on the same day as ovulation - I believe- are seeing the tail-end of their true surge and may be missing opportunities for more well-timed intercourse.

Also, research shows (and OPK instructions state) that LH surges detected in morning urine will invariably be false-positives. Wait until 4pm to test having abstained from liquids for two hours previously. If you have the cheapie internet OPKs you can then test again at 8pm and 12pm the next day. Once a surge is detected there is no need to test again that cycle. Hope any of this helps.

Well, then, Cuckoo, all my LH positives must be negatives, because I almost always get them in the mornings. Despite testing the day before at about 4-5pm. I usually test with the opks after I feel ovulation pain, and I feel it almost every single month. In fact,that's how I got pregnant first try, every time with my first 4 kids( from the O pain). The reason I started testing with opks earlier than usual this month is because I thought I felt O pain on day 7, which is way too early, but I figured that as I'm getting older,I might ovulate early from time to time. But it doesn't seem to fit with my chart, so I don't know?

I'm just not sure that it's true that positive opks in the morning are negatives - surely they could be the tail end of a surge during the night?

As for the ovulation date on the charts - wow, you did some study there- thank you! But I'm not really worried about the O date after the fact, if you know what I mean. Once it is past, there's nothing I can do, but I like to keep track so that I know when to expect AF. Last month AF was quite late, perhaps the O date was off there? But if O was a day later, the temp seems too high. Mostly the charting shows O when there's a dip before a rise.

As for this month - I really don't think I ovulated, it's just so unusual not to feel ovulation pain, and today's temp isn't all that high, though reasonably so. I worry that I'm now in pre-menopause territory and opk's and charting won't help me.

What you were saying about the timing of intercourse, if I'm catching the end of my LH surge, if it is 24-48 hours til ovulation, then surely,even if you catch the end of a surge, there should still be time to catch the egg? I have heard over and over that it is important to DTD in the days before ovulation, but I have found in my own experience I'm better off doing it as close as possible to ovulation. I think Diege said something similar too.In my situation I can't really have plenty of sex in the days leading up to ovulation as suggested by Zelda (do you mean Zita?) West. It just isn't practical, so I'll go with what I can,and have managed to get pregnant three times the way I've been doing it.

As for testing from 9 DPO, yes, I do. I do because in the past I've got my BFP's at 9,10,9 and 10 DPO. Which is always exciting. But also because my GP has told me to contact her as soon as I know so she can prescribe progesterone. Of course that didn't happen with my last BFP because she was away and the other doctor wouldn't prescribe it for me ("There is no proof it will help prevent miscarriage"). Next time I'll go to a different practice.

Oh, I also forgot to add that my thermometer stopped working yesterday and I had start using a new one, in which case things could be right off! I guess it will remain to be seen. I'll keep doing opks(I have the internet cheapies) because I don't think I ovulated yet. I usually get sore breasts right after I ovulate,and there's no sign yet.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could be oblivious to all this stuff, just shag when the mood took us and find out at 6 weeks we've gotten pregnant effortlessly? I've stopped taking all the hundreds of supplements I used to take, so I guess I am starting to wean myself off TTC. I guess, eventually, it just wears you down.

hey hopeful nice to hear from you
I want to tell you to keep trying but it sounds from your relationship that it's more complicated than that. A family is a system, you have to work together. I hope you get one though - it was a lovely description of the little child waiting to come.

It's two days till AF due. My boobs have become less sore and I'm getting cramps. Seem's pretty clear what's happening.

This is doubly bad because in my case it's rather embarassing as anyone who read my post yesterday will realise. I blurted out to some potential employers who mucked me around in a most unprofessional and ego-wounding way that I was in early stages of pregnancy.

On the plus side I can indulge in some jogging, unpasteurised cheese, wine and coffee. I'm not terribly elated about that but I will be once I get a good jog under my belt.

xx

irishmammybread btw meant to say - great that you got a heartbeat! keep us updated xxx

Morning! Hope you're ok somewhere; did you hear anything back from the potential employer? Good on you going for a run - do you stop personally when you think you might be pregnant?
Re: LH surge, I'll add my thoughts. Gum , yes for me dtd as close as possible to ovulation resulted in my pregnancies. In fact I'd get a LH surge, dtd, then have a temp rise the next day. I may indeed have been catching the tail end of the surge (though had convincing negs 3 times a day before the pos) but I suppose as Gum says then this still leaves some to to catch the egg so to speak. I spoke to my consultant and he said that, while it is usual to ovulate some days after a surge, for some women it can indeed be within a few hrs which is what I think happened with me. Unusual, but possible! I think I read somewhere in Toni Weshler's book that this can also happen. Nothing's simple eh . As you say gum, the way you do it does result in pregnancies, so I'd stick at it that way. Indeed, in an ideal world we'd be at it whenever/whatever the day
goth, as Jolls says, agnus castus can work for some - i9t did for me, and with no side effects. I think others however have found it mucks up their cycles. If you have a good luteal phase length, then don't bother. They call it 'nature's clomid' butI think the jury's still out.
Hi cuckoo, was the viagra needed after all?
On annual leave today but it's throwing it down so might have to come up with something creative to do with the dds, other than watch the Olympics which would be my activity of choice if it were just me . At least ds's are at nursery so we can venture out to town without having to take the phil and teds...
Hope everyone is ok xxx

NB: for those not in the know 'Phil and Ted' aren't the names of my ds's , but a brand of double buggy

no deige they really crapped on me, in a small limited way so I pulled out. It was just for a four-day freelance gig so a bit of a storm in a teacup. I think my hormones were partly to blame. I'm obviously not totally philosophical about it cause still going on about it.

interesting re ovulation - more interpretations of the tealeaves! I mustn't think like that though - i need to get some facts from the doctors.

I've been DTD up until the surge then stopping - i'm convinced it's the beginning of the surge cause been getting clear negatives then clear positives and it's always the same day of my cycle.

I really want a girl and my understanding is doing it slightly early is the best way (girl sperm lives longer but swims slower than boy sperm allegedly, say certain tea-leaf readers).

Has anyone else tried this?

i am tempted to try dhea and agnus castus.

I'm sorry TTC is grinding you down hopeful it grinds me down cause I get so bloody hormonal before AF.

xxxx

Hopeful, you have changed my mind. It must be possible to surge on the same day as ovulation is you've had success from this in the past. I keep reading that ovulation occurs 24-36 hours after the surge so I have tended to think that sex on the day of ovulation, for me, is chancing it a bit. My Clearblue digital OPK gave me a smiley face at 7pm last night (again, I'm not convinced with these Clearblue kits; I'm convinced they give you a smiley face at the merest hint of luteinizing hormone). Anyway, if smiley is to be believed, I will ovulate between 7pm tonight and at the latest 7am tomorrow morning (give or take an hour or few). See...if this is indeed the case, I don't want to be relying on sperm which may only be delivered tomorrow night. O course, I will be DTD tomorrow (day of ovulation) as well as today, but I'll make damned sure we have sex early in the morning. Last night's DTD was a roaring ('scuse the pun) success. Rather concerned that today is the day before ov and I've had nothing but dry stickiness in the way of cervical mucus so far. I was tempted to record it as 'watery' this morning but, who am I kidding? (I'd just had a wee).

You are right, of course, that it would be so much easier if we all could simply shag like rabbits and oops! here we are, pregnant. The fact is, I guess for everyone over 40 trying to conceive, sex is now, for us, entirely tied up in the dream of having a baby. Time is no longer on our side, which inevitably means sex has taken on a whole new dynamic. Maybe sex will never be the same again I know for me, personally, sex around ovulation is absolutely nothing to do with arousal or yearning but everything to do with clock-watching and needing sperm. And I hate that side of it. Moreover, I have no idea why I pay good money to fertilityfriend just so I can sit and scrutinize a dot on a chart every morning for months and months on end. I mean, it's not as if I don't know when I ovulate! It's day 15 every single month without fail! Why am I charting? What does the behaviour of my post-ov temps actually tell me that I won't soon find out anyway when my period arrives? [Huge sigh]

But...I know I won't give up charting, just as I know I will never ever have horny, spontaneous, abandoned sex during my fertile window EVER again

Somewhere - you fascinate me. Why are you so keen to have a girl, may I ask? Do you have boys already? How old are you? (Not nosiness; picture-building )

I read the link which jollster kindly sent us regarding DHEA. I couldn't see anything on there relating to fertility or conception. What I did read was that there are links between DHEA and its lessening effect on the hormone cortisol (responsible for stress and weight retained around the stomach). This was enough to make me want to overdose on them. It is said to have anti-ageing properties, too, but there was no talk on the link at all about women's fertility or conception. I wonder what natural foods contain DHEA?

Diege, chortled at your Phil & Ted quip

P.s..how many over 40s are trying to conceive on this thread, do you imagine? Are there just the handful who appear on here most days? It doesn't seem very busy?

Somewhere, Hopeful, Goth, Sparkly, Pocket, Tina and me. I think that's it. I thought there would be lots and lots..

hi cuckoogirl I hang out on another thread but read here too sometimes (a couple of folk may remember me as purpledragon, not so long ago). I have been very interested in the last few posts on LH. I tend not to use OPKs, never had much luck in the past. A friend gave me a box and you might be interested to know that I got one + seemingly on the day of ovulation (with a negtive before and after) this weekend. And yes shagging tensely organised around this amazing event. I've also been thinking alot about how to 'unlearn' charting (nice charts, never been pg), I wonder how that will happen. One thing a have done is stop charting on 3dpo and to start again around CD 7 (I have a short cycle). Charting post ov is just fuel to the mentalling for me, for nothing. I've seen many a perfect 'pg chart' that wasn't. Anyway, just popping in rudely (not 40 yet but very very close!).

cuckoo i have one little boy. i have 2 sisters and i'm just a woman's woman - all my mates are women. i'm now 41.
i could certainly cope with another boy tho.
Yay that your shag was a success! good luck today and tomorrow!

there were loads more but they've all dropped off - italian is now thinking about adoption, diege has rowed back, hopeful is rowing back, twirly gogo who was great - shame you missed her - has just gone after she got bad news from the doc.

angel georgie - are you TTC another?

i'm sure there must be others.

there are actually quite a lot of pregnant people too - jollster, mam, knicky, irishmammybread. good inspiration. and recent babies born 'in the snug' as this thread calls it to 1000fireflies (lovely nickname) and lolfactor.

i;m sure there are tonnes more, i might do a reccy.

Check this out

STOPPED TTC
Twirlyagogo dc1, dc2, mc, mc, dc3, mc x 2.

ADOPTING
Italiangreyhound, 47.DD aged 7 (from IUI), MMC 2006, IUI/IVF/Donor IVF - failed. FET donor cycle March 2012 also failed. Looking at all options, including adopting.

TTC
Hopefulgum, 45. ttc#6, 3 mcs
Hippychick, 45. DS1 and DS2 conceived in 30s, then decided to ttc at 43. Successful after 5 months but unfortunately MMC; got pregnant again after 3 months - again MC. No BFP since and trying to move on.
Purple Dragon, 39. 1 adopted child; now ttc biological child.
mrscupcake, 42. First pg age 36 ended at 14 wks due to chromosomal abnormalities, ds born 2007 now 5, mmc June 2011, mmc now - ERPC.
kiwibabe, 43. DC1 at 41. TTC DC2.
TinaO99 , failed IUIs; considering natural IVF.
blackcatsdancing44 . TTC second, first is an adult . Had a MMC earlier this year and hoping to have better luck next time.
sparklysapphire, 44 DD (4) , TTC #2
Incaminka, 42. Three mmcs, 6 weeks, 14 weeks and 8 weeks.
luckyagain, 42. Conceived DS via ICSI when 41. BFP in February and told expecting twins.... lost the hb on one at 7 weeks and the 2nd at 9 weeks. Now trying naturally after ERPC.
RetroMaggie. First dd was IVF after 5 years of ttc. One mc since at 7 wks and a possible very early miscarriage.
Elena67, 45. DS (2)
MaisieM, 42. TTc first with DH. Came off the CP in August 2010 and DH had a vasectomy reversal last June and has been tested since and all seems ok with the 'swimmers'.
Curlylox needs updating
Somewhere, 40 DS1 2009, trying for 9 months to conceive #2. 1 poss CP.
Goth,
Cuckoo,
Pocket,

PREGGOS

MiaAlexandrasmummy, 42. Sad loss of 13-month old only DD who was conceived naturally. Now pregnant naturally with DC2.
marytheresa Due date for DS is 25/7/12.
Jollster, 44 - 1 DS (4) TTC#2 since June 2009, 3MMCs 2 early MCs. Now 24 weeks.
10000 Fireflies - 42, blocked tube, x 2 failed IVF cycles. 40+2 with first ever (spontaneous) pregnancy.
Lolfactor, 46, DS1 and 2 and DD now grown up. DS3 (with new partner) took 2.5 years (on and off) to conceive naturally. 3 x cp and 1 x mc at 5 weeks. DS3 due any moment (so that will make 4 plus a stepdaughter)
clickingtock (aka Beangrower) 42. DS1. BFP after 16 months TTC DC2.
Knickyknocks, 40. Had DD at 37 - had 2 chem pgs since and 1 m/c. TTC #2
irishmammybread ??

RECENT GRADUATES
Diege, 42, ds2 born October 2011, 10 months trying. Dc number 5! Samuel born happily in the snug.
Angelgeorgie, 41, DD (Phoebe) born 18/10/11 after 4 years of ttc. 2 MC s & Darling Georgie ( stillborn at 41 weeks 10/10/10).
Beattiebow (BB) 41 - just had #6. 2 miscarriages, several chemical pregnancies. Preg after 16 months trying. Used CBFM and Progesterone. (tried temping and clomid also).
Shandybass - 41 , 3 mcs, then DD delivered safely, if a little late!
Herecomesthesun - DS1 at 44, DD at 47 - both conceived naturally. PCOS and went on metformin, which apparently can help reduce the risk of recurrent miscarriage. Was recommended vit B supplements such as pyridoxine (B6) and B12 and also folic acid 5mg daily (DH's family have history of mild spina bifida type defects).
Hairytale - 43, 3 mcs, then DD, naturally conceived.
Fifitot, 47. Had DC1 at 43 and DC2 at 47.
spottysox, 44. DD1 - Labour was 51 minutes from start to finish.
TTT, 41. Sadly lost DD1, aged 3. DD2 conceived naturally after 15 months and delivered safely in the snug.
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Just wanted to say congrats to Marytheresa - fab news about your lovely new, beautiful baby.

Hello to everyone who knows me

Big squeeze for gum - you deserve a medal for your dedication.

I don't think you need to include me in the TTC list - I'm really not expecting to get any more BFPs if I'm honest (but nice that you thought of me.)

Had a bit of a read through and am delighted that Miasmum is doing so well - hang in there, kid

Welcome to all the new people - there are so many of you.

cuckoo work hard at that gym but don't end up all skin and bone - will you!

Hi, Rain
I had a sneaky namechange so have moved from TTC to preggo...
Update:

STOPPED TTC
Twirlyagogo dc1, dc2, mc, mc, dc3, mc x 2.

ADOPTING
Italiangreyhound, 47.DD aged 7 (from IUI), MMC 2006, IUI/IVF/Donor IVF - failed. FET donor cycle March 2012 also failed. Looking at all options, including adopting.

TTC
Hopefulgum, 45. ttc#6, 3 mcs
Hippychick, 45. DS1 and DS2 conceived in 30s, then decided to ttc at 43. Successful after 5 months but unfortunately MMC; got pregnant again after 3 months - again MC. No BFP since and trying to move on.
Purple Dragon, 39. 1 adopted child; now ttc biological child.
mrscupcake, 42. First pg age 36 ended at 14 wks due to chromosomal abnormalities, ds born 2007 now 5, mmc June 2011, mmc now - ERPC.
kiwibabe, 43. DC1 at 41. TTC DC2.
TinaO99 , failed IUIs; considering natural IVF.
blackcatsdancing44 . TTC second, first is an adult . Had a MMC earlier this year and hoping to have better luck next time.
sparklysapphire, 44 DD (4) , TTC #2
Incaminka, 42. Three mmcs, 6 weeks, 14 weeks and 8 weeks.
luckyagain, 42. Conceived DS via ICSI when 41. BFP in February and told expecting twins.... lost the hb on one at 7 weeks and the 2nd at 9 weeks. Now trying naturally after ERPC.
RetroMaggie. First dd was IVF after 5 years of ttc. One mc since at 7 wks and a possible very early miscarriage.
MaisieM, 42. TTc first with DH. Came off the CP in August 2010 and DH had a vasectomy reversal last June and has been tested since and all seems ok with the 'swimmers'.
Curlylox needs updating
Somewhere, 40 DS1 2009, trying for 9 months to conceive #2. 1 poss CP.
Goth,
Cuckoo,
Pocket,

PREGGOS

MiaAlexandrasmummy, 42. Sad loss of 13-month old only DD who was conceived naturally. Now pregnant naturally with DC2.
marytheresa Due date for DS is 25/7/12.
Jollster, 44 - 1 DS (4) TTC#2 since June 2009, 3MMCs 2 early MCs. Now 24 weeks.
10000 Fireflies - 42, blocked tube, x 2 failed IVF cycles. 40+2 with first ever (spontaneous) pregnancy.
Lolfactor, 46, DS1 and 2 and DD now grown up. DS3 (with new partner) took 2.5 years (on and off) to conceive naturally. 3 x cp and 1 x mc at 5 weeks. DS3 due any moment (so that will make 4 plus a stepdaughter)
clickingtock (aka Beangrower) 42. DS1. BFP after 16 months TTC DC2.
Knickyknocks, 40. Had DD at 37 - had 2 chem pgs since and 1 m/c. TTC #2
irishmammybread ??
MrsWooster, 45, DS(2)

RECENT GRADUATES
Diege, 42, ds2 born October 2011, 10 months trying. Dc number 5! Samuel born happily in the snug.
Angelgeorgie, 41, DD (Phoebe) born 18/10/11 after 4 years of ttc. 2 MC s & Darling Georgie ( stillborn at 41 weeks 10/10/10).
Beattiebow (BB) 41 - just had #6. 2 miscarriages, several chemical pregnancies. Preg after 16 months trying. Used CBFM and Progesterone. (tried temping and clomid also).
Shandybass - 41 , 3 mcs, then DD delivered safely, if a little late!
Herecomesthesun - DS1 at 44, DD at 47 - both conceived naturally. PCOS and went on metformin, which apparently can help reduce the risk of recurrent miscarriage. Was recommended vit B supplements such as pyridoxine (B6) and B12 and also folic acid 5mg daily (DH's family have history of mild spina bifida type defects).
Hairytale - 43, 3 mcs, then DD, naturally conceived.
Fifitot, 47. Had DC1 at 43 and DC2 at 47.
spottysox, 44. DD1 - Labour was 51 minutes from start to finish.
TTT, 41. Sadly lost DD1, aged 3. DD2 conceived naturally after 15 months and delivered safely in the snug.
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Somewhere I not ttc at present after the last 4 years I want to enjoy my life , am loosing weight , going on hols again & enjoying my dd .. So definatly not at the mo!!! For the last 4 years I ve either been ttc, pg, mc or grieving.... Lovely to be chled again & off the emotional rollercoaster.. Concentrating on work, relationships etc.... Good luck to u xxx
Hi all ; good luck all...
Hippy luvs ya!!!
Diege back at you!!!
Hi Gum xxxx
Welcome to newbies , regards to " oldies" ( though not in the age sense!!!) xxx