TTC Super Ovulation part 2

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hey ladies,

There are a few of us who are ttc after mc's, however there will be ladies out there who are also ttc for the first time or second or third without success. If anyone is on, considering or had success on a super ovulation programme then do join us. How long did it take ? Did you try IUI with it.. ? Did you have PCOS?

Kicking this off and hoping some of you will join....

part 1 here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/conception/1385998-TTC-Super-Ovulation

Thanks Kittens, Brownstag and Ari for sharing that info. We only dtd the two days recommended ie Sunday and Monday although twice on Sunday. Think will try tonight as well just in case although pretty sure I would have ovulated Sunday as had lots of cramping in my right side. Think will have to try harder next month but it is hard having to have sex to order particularly when you have been trying a long time. Its also having to do it everyday even though only for a few days. My dh gets up pretty early as well so mornings are tricky!

Had a bit of a mare last night and today as one of my cats got these tiny baby birds, only a few days old really with no feathers. They were still alive so managed to find the nest and put them back in. Came home from work today and they were both in the grass and sadly one dead. The other had a wound to its head but still alive so took it to Tiggywinkles in Aylsebury and they said it will be fine once they feed it and give it some antibiotics. Felt so awful for poor little thing though ad don't know how long it had been in the wet and cold. .

Whoops crossed posts Kittens! Thanks do much for the info, I have actually never had an erpc just medical management so was surprised to find out I had scarring at all. Think I will try not to worry about it until I see Mr S next month for follicle tracking and see if I should take the Progynova. Still have some in my 'medical' box if drugs I am storing up!!

Joycep and Brownstag my chlamydia score was 1.3 x 10 but I have to admit I have no idea what that means.

Joycep hope you're right about the AMH, and yes I've read lots of stories of people with only 0.0something and still got PG. Mr S when I saw him poo poo'd the importance of it. When do you get your result?

I've switched from SO to IVF again this round. I was on 7.5m letrozole and got 2 or 3 good sized follicles each time.

Has anyone actually found some 'proper' research on hidden C? When I google it I get only forums and other pseudo-medical sites, plus the info from the testing lab itself, but no scholarly articles.

Care ? i think that means your chlymadia dna level is minimal. And I gather places like the ARGC place no importance on amh levels as well. From what I can tell though, you can get the best doctor in the world telling you one thing and the next best doctor telling you the complete opposite. This is why everything is such a minefield! I get all results next Tuesday and will be told next steps as well. I?m trying to go as far as i can with the NHS because I spent so much money last year going private and got no where. I can?t remember now but did you take a list of Level 1 tests in somewhere ? did you get all those tested on the nhs?
Brownstag ? I have only seen forum information on Hidden C and i think the trouble is the hidden C test is patented by this Greek place ? Locus Medicus ? and so you are really going on their word on this as no one else can test for it! I have read quite a lot of Dr Troth?s book though which can be read online. This is all about bacterial infections including normal chlamydia causing infertility and he believes most unexplained infertility goes back to these infections. He sorts it out by a serious antibiotic war on your body. His evidence seems quite compelling but doesn?t everything?

Thanks Joycep; God, I keep veering from one opinion to the other. By Dr Troth, did you mean Dr Toth? I looked him up and it's so convincing, as you say.
How is it going, you other antibioticers? If you can convince me that it's tolerable, maybe I'll give it a go.
Just got another NHS fertility appointment this morning. Not sure what they can do, though, as I think Clomid is the only weapon in their arsenal against infertility in the early forties. Last time they did give me oestrogen pessaries to try to counteract the drying nature of Clomid, and presumably the thinning of the endometrium, but as they didn't scan me, who knows how well that worked? I shall carry on with hydroxy though, but can't afford any more private superovulation treatment for the time being.

Hi, all and I hope you're coping with this blardy weather!

No news from me other than lots of twangs in the ovary area and peeing three times last night! I feel knocked up! I'm not, as we only did the trigger shot on Tuesday night. I know it's HCG, so I presume my body is reacting to that. Anyone else had peeing as a symptom 1dpo?

joycep, brownstag et al - I've been reading all the test results with interest. Am I right in thinking that these tests are useful if you're having trouble conceiving? Or might it answer recurrent miscarriage as well? I don't know what caused my first two mc, but the last one was a chromosomal abnormality. I had the UK STD tests done (I know they're different) when I got together with DH, so I'm operating on the principle that I don't really need the tests - what do you all think?

care it's interesting that you're on IVF this time round - is that with Mr S? (sorry if everyone knows that except me - I've newly returned to the board and aren't as up-to-date as I was!). Are you using letrozole with the IVF? My friend (sadly) has breast cancer, so she went on letrozole to prep her eggs for harvesting and freezing before doing chemo! We had a pill-popping bonding moment.

pebbles that's interesting re. scarring. I hope Mr S allays your fears. And I'm hearin' ya on the dtd reluctance. We've been really good this cycle, but on Thursday morning I had to wake DH with, "rise and shine, superstud. Let's get this over with" as I had to dash to work. We've been trying to have a baby for well over two years (I know your story is a lot longer!), and I have to say it's much easier in the months between a mc and trying again, when there's no pressure and no Mr S saying, "please have intercourse Wednesday and Thursday night." This time round, though, we've been pretty good and trying to keep it fun. And I also have two cats who also enjoy bringing gifts. No baby birds, thank the lord, but we've had a couple of live adult ones shredded to death in the hallway.

ari I hope you're enjoying Spain and you're able to inject some romance back into the DTD.

kittens thanks for the gonal F info. Sounds like you have got that cooling system licked! And we need to compile a dossier of the lengths to which we have gone to keep this SO programme on the road! You can start it off with the vodka disinfectant and the tent technique!

Hope you all have dry (?) weekends! Jxx

jaffaJiffy, the infections are theorised to be a cause of both miscarriage and infertility, and many other problems in pregnancy, low birthweight, still birth, etc. My husband and I also tested negative on every standard UK STI test, so my results were a bit of a surprise to say the least.
Didn't have any side effects from the trigger shot, but then I don't really have any side effects from any hormonal drugs, the pill, cyclogest, etc. I've never suffered from PMS ymptoms and usually only have pregnancy symptoms after 6 weeks.
Couldn't help doing a First Response today at 9dpo, which was negative. Which at least means plenty of drinking at a festival tomorrow.

brownstag 9dpo is still early your could implant today or tomorrow so you're not out

jaffa i'm about to take my first ovitrelle jab tonight, I already need to pee in the night so hopefully it won't affect me

well I have one follie again 21mm on my usually lazy left side, Mr S said he'll up my dose of gonal f to 225 next cycle so I can get 2 next time , the progynova has improved my lining to 7.8mm on cd10. He has also given me hydroxy too

Ovitrelle hasn't made me pee in the night but the Gonal F has given me really sore nipples! 2 good sized follies for me this month also seemed to kick off lots of ov pains, some of which made me gasp out loud. Luckily alone in my car and not whilst with a client.

I did my trigger shot on Thursday so I guess I'll be testing first weekend in August. Will be typical if I get a BFP this time as I will be on a rather relentless work schedule during the Olympics and can well do without being as tired as pregnancy makes you! But, of course, I will be delighted too. I am on my penultimate cycle of SO. I think we will do the FISH test this week and maybe SA too. Then we will know whether we should try IUI in our final cycle or save our money for IVF/Array CGH etc.

Mmm ... Louise just emailed me to say that Mr S would prescribe the antibiotics, after last week telling me that he doesn't use the Athens test as he thinks it's inaccurate. I've just asked her if he's changed his mind or whether he's 'doing it as a favour'.
Talking of changing minds, I found an article from 2007, about steroid treatment for miscarriage, in the US, I think, and Mr S was quoted in it as a UK miscarriage specialist, saying he would have concerns about the effects of the drugs used on the baby. How times change!

brownstag anti bs were just fine! Re tested last week and I have clear result on ureplasma ( yay) can ttc again from next weekend. Is just about a yr from first app with dr s. not sure I'm even going to bother telling him about seeing dr g? Going to see how I get on naturally then try SO again in sep. adoption question - yes 6 to 12 mths gap depending on council. But u don't have to tell them anything as isn't linked up. DH and I thinking of moving west for quieter life Bath way so adoption too soon for us. Hoping to get pg and keep the damn thing soon pls. Bored now. Sorry cant scroll on here so rubbish name check !

Thanks Duggs; how many antibiotics did you take for ureaplasma?
The sister of a friend of mine and her husband got pregnant naturally while their adoption process was going through, after trying for about 5 yrs, with IVF, etc.
... 13dpo and tests still negative ...

I took them for 4 weeks! Can't remember the dosage but had 3 types. Two at start then 21 days of another then one at the end. They were no problem I didn't even notice anything. Then again after the drug protocol of ivf and intrallipids and steroids etc then relatively speaking it would have been easy I guess. Yes I have heard those stories about adoption etc. anyway I hope u r ok?

You didn't have hidden C as well then duggs? Just (!) two diff anti-bs for me with hidden C plus ureaplasma, day 10 and going ok so far.

Am reading all posts but posting a bit difficult on the phone, back Sun so will catch up properly then. /waves to all

Oh yes I did! Trace amounts but was there. The standard urine c test I had to have before my ivf showed a negative result so it really was hidden

Went to the GP today and she wasn't going to play ball with prescribing the antibiotics; however she is writing to the consultant at the GU clinic to refer me and see if he will. But I might have asked Mr S for the prescriptions before then. Plus I assume he will write one for DH which will save a lot of bother.
What is the deal with not drinking on the antibiotics; is it because it makes you ill or because it will prevent them from working? We are on holiday next week so I'm wondering whether to hold off for another month.
14dpo and this morning I got another one of those evaporation lines on an internet cheapie (not going to fall into that trap again!). Two more internet cheapies said no, but by then I had decided to use another progesterone pessary 'just in case'.
How many days are you meant to use the Cyclogest for? I had stopped it at 12dpo, thinking that I don't want it to extend my luteal phase unnecesarily if I'm not pregnant. What is everyone's experience of it? Can it hold off AF, or would bleeding break through if you're not pregnant?
I realised today that the thought of a natural cycle this coming month actually scares me, because I've got so used to the control (with SO) over when I ovulate and knowing I'll have a decent luteal phase. I was even thinking of taking some old Clomid at the back of the cupboard, even though I know I won't get pregnant on it, just to maintain that control! It's also useful to have a scan on a Monday at Harley street, so a nice 28 days would be very useful for the future. Barking!

I ignored the "non drinking" part! Bloody hell. . . The lives we've been living these past few years if drinking was off the agenda I'd be in a loony bin for sure Is standard advice but it is a bit like a 30mph speed limit.

The main "no drinking" rule is with Metronidazole. If you drink on that you will be very sick, apparently. Otherwise I don't think it's a problem. Probably best not to get shitfaced though

The no drinking thing is apparently it can reduce effectiveness (I looked it up for both of the anti-bs we were prescribed) but I have to say I'd rather take the same view as duggs - bugger it, as long as you're not getting plastered, we're taking the things for 25 days after all! OH is certainly still having 3 pints of beer every evening, no way he wasn't going to drink while on holiday!

I have to say the no-medicated cycle has been a relief for me - I really don't like chemicals messing with my body and have to admit I've only been taking the bare minimum of my supplements too (can't be arsedness kicking in while on hol) - but oddly I am pretty sure I ovulated last night on what would be cycle day 11 - that's 3 days early for me. On a natural cycle? Makes no sense to me but I'm not going to worry about it, it's a waster cycle anyway and gonal-f looms for me next cycle so I'm enjoying the lack of chemicals while I can!

brownstag Just wondered what benefit there is in Mr S writing a prescription for the anti-bs (as opposed to using the one from Serum)? Will still be a private prescription - have you found the anti-bs cheaper than you get from Ali? Just wondered. Which ones have you been prescribed, just out of interest?

Ari, I was assuming Mr S will charge £10 for the prescriptions (i.e. £20 for DH's too) whereas it's 100 euros from Serum, isn't it? And presumably Serum wouldn't prescribe for DH, or would they?
I would be on azithromycin and doxycycline. For some reason I thought it was 3 but it's 2.
Mmm, will definitely be drinking moderately, this holiday I think.

Did you order your tests through Serum? If so they don't charge for the prescription and they just prescribe the total number of tablets needed for you and your OH. I think they only charge for a prescription if you go straight to Locus Medicus for your tests.

I was wondering if you ladies who have sent your blood to serum able to share your treatment plans, I've seen cares on a different thread, thanks

Thanks Ari, just stopped Cheryl in the nick of time and have just received my prescription from Serum. Can I use it anywhere?

Buzzybee, here is mine:

CHLAMYDIA TREATMENT

The treatment needs to be followed by both partners at the same time.

Unprotected intercourse is not permitted during treatment.

The antibiotics should be taken after your main meal, in order to avoid digestive problems (except Zithromax).

Alcohol intake should be avoided during treatment period.

Day 1: 4 pills of zithromax (azithromycin) 250mg* all together preferably with empty stomach

Day 2: NOTHING

Day 3-7: Vibramycin 100mg (Doxycycline), 2 tablets/ day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Please avoid dairy products one hour before and one hour after the tablet.

Day 8: 4 pills ofzithromax (azithromycin) 250mg* all together preferably with empty stomach

Day 9-24: Vibramycin 100mg (Doxycycline), 2 tablets/ day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Please avoid dairy products one hour before and one hour after the tablet.

Day 25: 4 pills of zithromax 250mg* all together preferably with empty stomach

DURING THE TREATMENT YOU MAY TAKE1 TABLET OMEPRAZOLE 20 mg IN THE MORNING IN CASE YOU HAVE SENSITIVE STOMACH OR IF YOU FEEL THAT YOUR STOMACH IS UPSET. YOU CAN ALSO TAKE PROBIOTIC TABLETS DURING YOUR TREATMENT TO AVOID GASTROINTESTINAL PROBLEMS

P.S. I take back what I said in a previous post about not getting any side effects from any hormonal preparations. After 2 weeks of Cyclogest I am now a bloated beached whale. And a 16-day luteal phase was more than I needed when I knew I wasn't pregnant.