12 months on and most people on my TTC thread are pregnant so I'm starting a new one! Come and join me if you've been TTC a while or are TTC after pregnancy loss... we've been through it all!

[iloveberries]

iloveberries Age 31, DH 32, DS 2 yrs. Been TTC #2 for a year, 1 m/c, 1 ectopic, 1 tube removed. Will be starting TTC again after my next AF.

Still following the ladies on my original TTC thread but most of them are now pregnant so whilst I'm delighted for them I wanted to start a new place for those who have been TTC for a while and are still awaiting a healthy, sticky bean in the right place.

All welcome..... nothing if off limits, nothing is TMI, no 'babydust' though please

Did you test Moo? If it was a bfn don't forget you've got six month of guaranteed ovulations to look forward to which is so much better than those epic cycles you used to experience.

I'm going to start on my new office today. I had mine up in the attic but the extra flight of stairs meant I never went up there. Then I felt guilty, so I went up even less. Stupid I know. So I'm swapping the attic for the main spare room which is opposite our bedroom so I shouldn't find it too onerous to get to

To be honest it's such a horrid day I may as well be decorating, don't fancy going outside!

Dragged DP to the gym, I've found a way to cheer him up - supper! If two oatcakes with a bit of cheese on cheer him up in the evening, why not?

Hope everyone else has better weather than me!

Oh, and I didn't ov yesterday, at least my temp didn't go up. Definitely gearing up for it tho, had an achey womb yesterday.

Disco sounds like you are being very productive. I'm having a very relaxing day. Still in jim jams playing on computer meant to be sorting the house out still not properly finished after moving in, but after all the revision etc just want to do nothing for a few days!!

Sorry that you've not ov'd yet but fingers crossed it happens in the next day or so. And well done on cheering hubby up

Thought there might have been a very faint line but think I'm kidding myself so have charted negative. Gonna sit on hands now till AF is late (hopefully)

hello! we are off to turkey and i cannot wait!

No news here - just checking in and wishing everyone ovving lots of hot sex and everyone testing 2 strong sticky lines!

x

Hi Ladies, hope yous all had a nice weekend. It went all too fast!!!

Disco well done on the weight lost. I really need to get my act together and lose a few pounds as clothes are now digging into me. How did you get on with your DIY on your house?

Moo how are you? I know its very hard to resist POAS as I would be the very same. But as you say you now have your prescription and if af does unfortunately show up you are ready for next month. (FX you don't need to)

Berries nice to look forward to a holiday. When are you going?

How are you Count, Mezza & Smile?

Well on friday I could feel slight cramps all day. So I went home and POAS on both a hpt and opk. So the hpt was negative (don't know why I really poas on that but as I have no idea where my cycle is at I wanted to rule it out) But the OPK had a faint line. I tested again on sat and the line was much stronger. So we dtd on sat night. I tested again on sunday and line was still strong. But I had spotting on sunday (AGAIN!!!) and was feeling a little raw/sore so didn't dtd last night. I tested again this morning and the line is now very faint. I know when I am not temping I have no way of knowing if I actually O'd. Is there any point in dtd tonight? but then also we booked a holiday yest and we will be going on 27th July and maybe should leave ttc til after the hol as I have all these mad thoughts - what if I was pg and then had a mc again on hols even? would going on the holiday cause a mc? If I don't ttc then maybe I have missed this supposedly fertile time after a mc........

Someone please talk sense to me!!!

Anyhow hope everyone is having a good day.

Munchkin - aaaand relax!

Regarding holiday I know how you feel. I've been thinking what if i get pg and have another ep blah blah but i can't stop life cause of TTC. We all know that conceiving and keeping babies isn't always easy so if i were you i would continue with your holiday plans. Where are you going?

RE: POallthoseS... I have no idea. I didn't get on with OPK sticks though i did use the CBFM. moo is resident OPK expert so I'm sure she'll be along in a bit to help you!!

I gotta go, DSIL coming round later :)

Munchin hope you managed to get one last deed in yesterday. From what I know, a positive OPK (line should be as dark as the control line) indicates the surge of LH and ov should occur 24-36 hours after. From the sounds of it, you have timed sex well, as sperm can live for up to 5 days in the right conditions. Do you temp? Chart CM/CP? Only 3 high temps can actually tell you that you have ovulated. OPKs only let you know that it is going to happen. Hope that helps!!

Well, 14dpo today. Don't think it's going to be my month, despite the sore boobage, on/off cramps and a headache, think AF will rock up tomorrow or Thursday as planned. BFN with FMU so not looking good

Really thought we'd done it this month too!

Ack well; onwards and upwards!!

BRING ON THE CLOMID MOO!!!!!

hope you're not too down about the BFN..... hugs!

Thanks Moo and berries. No didn't dtd again. Was wrecked tired and decided not to with the holiday coming up at the end of July. We are heading to Lanzarote. I don't temp as I could be up a couple of times during the night. Hopefully we will get the opportunity to ttc again next month ie I keep getting regular cycles and not left for months with none. Back last January which was my last af we dtd when I got the +opk and I tested 2 weeks later and got a bfn. But no period showed up. I felt sick and got my bfp a month later in march. So I never knew if I got pg in jan or feb. All they told me at scan was baby had stopped growing at 7+6 and I never found out how far on I actually should have been.

Sorry Moo about your BFN. Hopefully its wrong but if not heres to next month on clomid.

Berries did you have a good time with your sil yest?

yes, lovely time thank you. very chilled. we have decided to give our house a bit of an overhaul so getting some advice from her as she's good at stuff like that!

I am busy trying to not focus on TTC!

berries good idea trying to take your mind off TTC. It can drive you nuts! What sort of things are you planning to do to the house? I need to get out into the garden at the weekend, just hope it doesn't rain..........again!!

Munchin maybe you will get a nice surprise this month :) have everything crossed for you.

Well 15dpo and AF day today!! Although I might only be 14dpo which means AF day is not until tomorrow. Either way, there is no sign of her and my cerivx is stil closed, my temp is still well up and the boobies are still sore; I am also very very tired at the moment. But...............i am sure a positive would have shown up by now if I was pg, so I am assuming i am not and it's just a wait for AF kinda moment now. If I am 14dpo then she should be here tomorrow if not then she should turn up sometime this afternoon (if she is a no show today though and I am 15dpo, then she is officially late).

Am not going to test because i would rather have AF than see another BFN. If after a week I am lucky enough to still have high temps and no witch, then i might just be tempted to break!!

How's everyone else doing?

Thanks Moo. But I'd say it would be a miracle if I was pg. I'm not expecting to be. Will be happy enough if AF shows up on time. Weird to be saying that !

As I said before pg symptoms and AF symptoms are so bloody similar. The high temp sounds along with other symptoms. Really hope you are pg Moo. But if not hope AF shows up quickly so you can start your next cycle.

Good evening everyone. Well, I'm 90% sure that I ovulated on Monday, hurrah! On CD18 too, five days before my average ov day so that is great as well, less hanging around. Just need a third high temp to confirm but my sore nipples have given the game away to me at least (ahem). I'd be very surprised if I got pregnant tho as this time 64 days ago DP was drinking like a fish quite merry and he's had a fever that has likely killed the current batch of sperm. Oh well, I may be in with a chance...but I think August will be when his sperm hits top quality! Wish it matured on say, a weekly cycle...

Berries, ooh turkey, how lovely! And have good fun with the interior design.

Muchin the DIY went well thanks, the hot pink walls didn't need a fourth coat as I'd feared...now I've got to do the worst bit, woodwork. Ugh, hate it. Lanzarote sounds great! I heard on the radio there are some great deals in Greece, I'm tempted even tho we've got our Welsh holiday booked! Hopefully either af or more hopefully a bop will show up before too long.

Moo, any sign of AF? Not bringing you false hope but some women have to wait until 18 dpo or more for a positive test, I suppose if they've implanted late or summat. Let's hope you fit in that category!

Hello Disco and well done on the ov!!! I reckon sperm ate resilient little buggers, so you never know!!! Got absolutely everything crosses for you.

Well I have spent all morning retching (been up since 4). Still no AF and refuse to POAS for fear of BFN! Although, FF says 16dpo (making me a day late), I might only be 15dpo. Temps still high though and toothache getting more annoying (have to wait until 23rd for appointment).

Only have digis left! Not really sure what to do.........

berries how are things with you?

Morning all,

Am keeping fingers crossed for you moo. I hope you're not getting ill. If you are pg it's doubtful it's MS as that doesn't kick in till around week six i think.
If i were you having had the chems you've had I would wait till Monday to test. Is that possible??!

Oh Moo, I don't want to jinx you but you were sick this morning omg!!!! It sounds soo promising. Your very strong to resist poas on those digis!!! I'd be like a shot.

Disco liking the sound of the hot pink walls. Yes I too hate woodwork especially when it's all white!!! It's this awful weather that makes you want to get out of country. I'm sure Wales will be lovely. So sorry for my ignorance why does it matter what dh was doing 60 days ago? Is that how long it takes to make a new batch???

Hi berries and to everyone else.

I'm off out with work tonight for meal and few drinks.

Berries with the pain in my tooth, and the need to want to take some mega strong pain killers, not sure I can hold out until Monday, but I know you are right and I need to wait until at least Saturday. I have ordered some IC's so they might turn up tomorrow meaning i can test on Saturday/Sunday. CP is now high and still closed which is a good sign.

I totally agree that i don't think I have m/s, although I have read that it can hit as early as the 4th week. So who knows. But yes, i think 6-7 weeks is more common.

My reasoning at the minute is, if i test and it is negative, at least i can take some hardcore painkillers (and NSAIDs) without worrying about harming any potential bean :)

Aaaargh; this has got to be the worst part of TTC!!!!

Anyone else testing soon? Berries, where are you up to in your cycle?

Sorry for being quite self indulgent lately, I just have no-one else to talk to about all of this and I am slowly driving myself insane

Yeah, apparently some people get MS really early so it could be.... ;)
You have to decide what's best for you re: testing mate! I so hope it's a BFP for you, and a big sticky one :)

You haven't been self indulgent - and let's face it, that's kinda what the TTC threads are for, cause none of us can talk to people in RL about it! You go for it moo!!

I am not testing anytime soon... only on CD 10. Using my CBFM and still showing low fertility readings, though we have DTD twice since the end of AF - FOR FUN! shock horror!!!!

I think i am being a bit more realistic that it may take a long while to get another baby so i must remain positive but not get my hopes up so much. At least now i know that every pregnancy symptom under the sun is also an AF symptom (FFS!)

Good Luck moo..... you hear so many stories of people who got pg just before IVF, or Clomid etc so maybe you'll be one of them :)

Moo I don't want to tempt you into testing but I get ms pretty much straight away. I also get a strong metal taste in my mouth also. But I agree if you need those painkillers maybe test for that reason???whatever you decide good look and I'm keeping fx. You are not self indulgent as berries says this is the only place you can share your thoughts freely!!

Berries we have to keep positive that we will get our bfp!!!!

Hi all! Been awol again - too much traveling.

moo everything crossed for you!

disco hurrah for the ov - but I also need enlightenment - 60 days?!?

berries I hear you on the not trying to think of ttc and not getting my hopes up, but personally I just can't help it... Hope you find something that works, and I'm crossing my fingers for you this month. dtd for fun - way to go! :)

munchkin hope you have a lovely night out!

...and hi to everyone else!

Not much in the way of ttc news this end. CD 10 today I think, too early to ov but cramping like mad today. Usually ov around day 16, but because of all this cramping I'm wondering if I should start the OPKs tomorrow already. My cycle has tended to change a little after the other MCs.

Called my GP yesterday about the results from all the tests last week, but all the receptionist could say was that it looks normal... I guess that is good, but I'd like to know more, so dropping by for a copy as soon as I have time.

Ok, I need to go get some coffee, so tired I'm feeling crosseyed. Can't believe it's Thursday already though, woop woop - almost weekend! :)

Hi Moo, hope you've stopped feeling sick...as to whether it is m/s, who knows? Mine didn't kick in til 6 weeks but as Muchin says some do get it earlier. How's your tooth? Btw this place is MADE for self indulgence, so don't worry! The only people who are as obsessed with TTC as you are, are us! Not sure if that makes sense but hey ho.

Muchin, hope you enjoy your works do! The sixty days I mentioned was a reference to spermatogenesis, the cycle of which took a mean of 64 days to complete in a relatively recent study. Admittedly it was a small sample but I got so fed up of stupid websites still saying it takes 90 days without any references cited that I went looking one day! The abstract for that study is here btw www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16406920

In fact, I think TTC could benefit from many more studies like this as so much crap gets talked about various things that will help without any scientific basis...a while ago everyone on Conception went mad over Manuka honey. If it was that good the NHS would be giving it on prescription! I also think a lot of practioners get a lot of money out of desperate women for remedies that have no biological basis. To quote my face web comic, "What we need more of is Science!"

Sorry, rant over, it's just something I've been thinking a lot about lately as you can probably tell.

Berries, you do know that DTD for fun whilst trying to conceive is banned don't you?! I am also coming to the conclusion I'm probably in it for the long haul and actually feel less pressure this way. The thing that does stress me out is my advancing age (32 but I want two children!) and more than that, DPs age, 51. Really don't want to be having a second baby when he is 55 :(

Mezza I'd book an appointment to discuss your test results if you want more info.

Right, better go and sand some woodwork. Ugh.

Wow Disco i never knew that about spermatogenesis. Wow. I am enlightened.

Mezza I echo what Disco said, you should make an appointment to go through the results with your GP; no offence to the receptionist, but they can rarely interpret the results correctly.

at berries having sex for fun!!! How very dare you

Thanks for all your kind words and support. I will self indulge more often

Well...............not good news here I am afraid. Knew before I even went for the loo that she had got me; temp dropped, and although not drastically, it is enough to realise that the witches arrival was imminent! I am angry more than upset, we just didn't try hard enough this month. 3 months in a row I have ov'd on my own, what if the Clomid creates super ovulation. Eeeek!!

Going to start taking it tomorrow, so will see what happens. It can only be a good thing......right?!?

Anyone watching the tennis? Can't believe Nadal is out!!! Let's hope Murray can make it to the final this year :)

It's FRIDAY!!!!!!!! YEY!!!!!!

Ah Moo so sorry the old witch showed up. Pure shite!!!! And all those symptoms. Really fecks with your head. Take some time to pamper yourself this weekend and then your starting on your tablets and look forward to a new cycle. Haven't seen any tennis but omg nadal out!!!

Disco I never heard of spermatogenesis. I have dh on vitamin c and zinc tablets. Don't know if they do any good. Your only a young one but I do appreciate how you feel with dh age. But sure look at Des O'Connor having babies in his 70's!!!!

Mezza as the others have said I would make an appoint to go through results with gp.

Well done Berries on dtd for fun!!! Whats that ???? Ha ha.

I had a great night out last night with lots of mohitos!!! Very tired today though.

Dh rang this morning to tell me car needs new parts costing way too much money that we didn't bargain for especially after booking hols !!!
Then my sil rang but missed the call. So she got dh instead and told him she's 10 wks pg!!! Her first baby is only 8 mths old. Have to say this news hit me hard and thank god I have time to get my head around it before speaking to her. As I think I would have starting crying on her which would not be good. Our baby should have been born in oct/nov and would have been a play mate for this baby. So my morning went down Jill rapid.

But hey it is Friday. Chin up to everyone.

Hi all - booooohisssssss flippin AF witch!!! Moowoo I'm so sorry but armed with you clomid I'm sure it's a matter of anytime now!
I wrote this long post, and it never showed up! So I will pop back!!
Munchin - and your newly pregnant SIL not bad news just bad timing!
Mezza- as said before def go through results with gp so all the info can be explained and you can get it broken down for you!
Ilove - you go njoy yourself! Dtd as enjoyment no pressure!
Disco - loads of facts - will read it more deeply later when off my phone!
I'm off to bake cake I feel like baking!!

Oh moo sorry about the bitch showing up! At least this month you have extra ammo!

munchkin :( news like that are soo hard to deal with. Hope you are coping ok and that you have some nice things planned this weekend.

disco - I'm totally enlightened! Turns out I don't know a whole lot about sperm... Hate doing the woodwork, but think of how nice its going to be when you're all done :)

count mmm cake - enjoy!

Re the test results - my GP is in the "probably just bad luck" camp, so unsure how enlightening it would be. I'm hoping they will go through it all at my appt at the recurrent mc clinic. Less than two weeks to go to the appt.

Hope you are all enjoying the weekend! We're heading out of town tomorrow, off to the coast and have a rather nice looking restaurant booked for dinner, very much looking forward to it!