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TTC 10 plus months, Part 7

996 replies

lisacn · 09/05/2012 18:27

A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

OP posts:
buzzybee123 · 25/05/2012 20:26

kitty lovely to hear from you :)

oh and a fur baby is a cat :) laughed at the monkey dressed up comment

carrieonlaughing · 25/05/2012 20:46

Hi all. I have been reading since my first hello and trying to keep up with the posts lol.
I wanted some quick advice, I am on first month of Clomid and in agony. I am due to ovulate and opks agree that today is the day but its quite a bit of pain. Couldn't get a gp appointment so went to walk in yesterday and they said it is more than likely that I am ovulating but there's nothing they can do. They said if it didn't go then to go to A n E. At the time it felt like my right ovary would explode but eased as the day went on. Dtd last night which was painful and today it wasn't too bad but now its getting worse again

buzzybee123 · 25/05/2012 21:17

carrie I found that on Tamoxifen I had very painful ovulation pains. Do you have a scan booked soon ?? Or have you had one recently?? If you are worried then I can only advise going to A&E just to be sure

carrieonlaughing · 25/05/2012 21:32

I have no scans or any kind of monitoring at all. All I have is five months of clomid and my next appointment booked for October. I am really suprised considering I have a history of cysts, ectopic oh and ovaries went into hyperstimulation years ago with out any fertility treatment, which my consultant at the time was gobsmacked about. (Its apparently rare without any kind of fertilty drug)

buzzybee123 · 25/05/2012 22:34

carrie i wrote a reply but who knows where its gone Hmm are you able to get a private scan if they won't help at the hospital. I did wonder about hyperstimmulation

ArtemisTheHunter · 25/05/2012 22:42

Hi Carrie, that doesn't sound good. They should be monitoring you particularly given your history. I have had ov pains on clomid for the first time in my life, occasional sharp shooting pains that start about cd 10, get worse and then subside after ov, but nothing like as severe as you describe. The egg does pop out with some force though, I know some people do get severe pains so I am sure it's nothing to worry about right now. I'd be inclined to ask for an appointment to discuss & would request monitoring for future cycles. 5 months is a lot for them to give you without checking whether it's working and not causing other problems. In fact I'm surprised they prescribed it at all given that you've had OHSS in the past.

Sorry for any typos & poor grammar, posting in haste from my phone. Hope you get to see someone about it

carrieonlaughing · 25/05/2012 22:43

I'm not no I don't have the funds for private treatment hence not having IVF. I have decided that I am not taking it anymore until I have seen the consultant again

buzzybee123 · 25/05/2012 23:08

its probably best to wait and see what they say, they should start by monitoring you, how do they know what is going, I think my ovaries are coming out in sympathy

TeuchterWahine · 26/05/2012 07:51

Thanks buzzy for clarifying that fur baby is a cat. She is indeed and a total princess. 6lbs of black fluff that likes to be cuddled on my shoulder with her head under my jaw or stretched up my tummy with her head over my heart. Couldn't get her into a collar, let alone a tutu Princess! Sharing your bathroom redecoration traumas. Mr Teu not being helpful, but must be included in the decision.
pout winced as I read your tale of hide the treat. That is so something I would do and promptly regret. Poor duvet Sad
35, well being that both my parents were born when their parents were in their 40s (grandpa was 50), I probably shouldn't get so upset. The flip side is I grew up with no grandparents.
Right, must scarper, off out.
Hi to everyone else. Hope you are all enjoying the fab weather over there.

sarlat · 26/05/2012 09:51

Morning

Can't believe the sun is still shining - it really does make the crapbags stuff feel a little better doesn't it.

Princess - very interesting re: hair analysis. I think you are right about diet giving you the advantage and worth percervering. Bodies do want to heal themselves where they can.

Critter - your RE sounds marvellous. So pleased for you both and what a difference that must make to the emotional welbeing side of things when someone puts a medical plan in place in a sensible, staged way. Why, why why can't they all be like that??

Buzzy - your FSH and LH are good - take heart you will get there and your holiday is exactly what is needed. Enjoy!

Joyce - Those stats you quote sound good about IVF. My clinic tends to stick to the concervative 30% success rate so thank you for telling me that little boost. Blasto transfer is where they put back in the womb a 5 day old embryo. The idea is if they wait until day 5, the ones that would have survived anyway are still there so they have the strong ones to put back or freeze. Your scan sounded interesting, is there any chance you might ovulate early occasionally?

Artemis -I am cross about your arogant Consultant Angry. Feedback forms anywhere in your clinic?? I have commented on your HSG post. Could your spotting be a good sign?

Euro - Good luck with your IVF adventures. But sorry you still feel a little unhappy about it. If it's any help, I know exactly what you mean. We just don't ever ever envisage ourselves going through somthing like this. I distinctly remember looking at these boards when I was ttc about 6 months and skipping over any IVF/ assisted conception threads and updates as I thought that they would never ever apply to me and I felt 'sorry' for those women that did need it.

My gosh how far I have come. I think its a trade off between the ongoing misery of ttc (which for me was exactly 2 years when I started IVF) and accepting that level of help is needed. For me the pain of ttc and getting nowhere weighed slightly heavier than accepting the help of IVF. I think my DH's age also spurred me on as I am frightened that any children will grow up with an old dad. Everyones circumstances are unique to them. Have you considered doing a pros and cons list e.g. IVF versus continuing with more natural methods and seeing what the score is (a bit like being a teenager and debating whether to dump your boyfriend or not) Wink. For me there were also massive ethical issues whith choosing IVF. Thankfully, the clinic have listened to my concerns and I now feel at ease with my decisions as I can manage my embryos is a way that is comfortable to me. It felt particualry cruel that I should have to carry that heavy burden of choosing IVF as I felt I had more barriers to overcome than most.

But being 'in' a cycle of IVF does feel different again, I promise. And when I decided to go for it , I went for it. When you are in the cycle, if feels new and not like other ttc chapters so it has a renewed sense of hope. Every step is a challene to be overcome and that can appeal to some personality types. I also started to see how much IVF is about me and DH and what we put in to it and it feels less about what the scientists do. Rememer that the clinics can't 'magic' up eggs and sperm. That is about your bodies. Their job is quite straightforward really. You start to take control back and that brings some confidence.

Sorry for the mamouth post to you Euro - but I realy feel your pain. I am not saying you should or should not do IVF, but I hope you feel at peace with any decision. If you want to know the details of the preperations and the negotiations for time off work me and DH did leading up to it, let me know. And if the end result is a baby, nobody will care a damn about any medcial assistance.

Hello Kitty Grin Its great to hear how you are doing. Good luck with the scan and new role.

Beryl - congrats on the house move and I am jellous about your Tom and Barbara skills.

Mrs Den Grin anout hoping that scan would be a boy.

Lemon - good luck I am about 9 dpo so we are at a similar stage.

Carrie - hello and welcome. It looks like the other ladies have provided some good advise about those pains - I agree they should be monitoring you.

Hello to everyone else.

I am appaulled by the narrow minded IVF bashing thread. If we take the view that only life saving drugs and treatments are worthy of NHS funding then the OP ought to consider the following. That would mean no occupational therapy for a severley disbaled child with cerebral palsy to help them gain independance with mealtimes with specialist assement and equipment. No psychiatric drugs for patients with dementia who are distraught. No phyiotherapy / botox injections for people with severe back problems, no intense therapy for stroke rehap patients who have potential to get some abilities back. Can you tell I disaprove??? Grin The NHS add life to years and years to life.

Well it is 9 dpo for me (or 4 days post transfer of a 5 day blast), Not feeling anything other than progesterone side effects which are similar to early pregnancy so nothing to report on. I am worried it won't take (as everybody would be) but for me that can imply there is some damage being casued by my fallopian tubes. I am lucky that there are some frosties but I still worry none of them will take.

I am generally keeping busy in a relaxed kind of way but gosh its hard isn't it all this waiting.

Enjoy this sunny weekend ladies

buzzybee123 · 26/05/2012 10:14

teu I do spend a bit of my time translating kiwi into english for Mr B and work colleagues Grin someone asked me if I was a Saffa yesterday Hmm I didn't want to be a 40 year old mum but that is what is going to happen now, so jealous of Fur Baby, does she have a name, just asked Mr B if I can have one, he just gave me that look of not this conversation again. So what is happening down your way or on the flip side :)

carrie how is the pain today??

sarlat and other, can I ask a silly question, how soon after one IVF treatment can you have the next.

I haven't read the IVF thread, perhaps best that I don't but I agree with sarlat are we going to stop treating smokers/ drinkers and obese people too, that is a life style choice too.
Well I'm off to tidy up the jungle sometimes referred to the allotment, hope everyone has something fun planned for the weekend

eurochick · 26/05/2012 10:38

carrie that level of pain could be OHSS. I got the symptoms of mild OHSS on my second month of Letrozole. They faded by the time I could get a dr's appointment a couple of days later though (they weren't severe enough for A&E). Keep a close eye on yourself and get help if you are in too much pain.

sarlat thanks for your comments to me. My period pains have started this morning so I expect AF to arrive this weekend. That means we are on to IVF (if the clinic has completed its move). I want to go ahead from a diagnostic perspective (to see if the eggs are decent quality, fertilse, etc) but I am still not thrilled to be here. You are absolutely right about it being a trade off to end the misery of ttc.

BerylThePerilous · 26/05/2012 11:01

Good morning!
Hope you all have lots of sun-filled activities lined up for the weekend. Someone mentioned how this weather brings out all the bumps. In my new area, it seems to be not so much bumps as little children ? which I think I am finding even more heart-wrenching. I wasn?t getting much work done yesterday so went out and about a bit. In the morning, there was the school run; in the afternoon, I made the mistake of going to the supermarket, which was crammed with mothers and their adorable offspring. I want one! If only it was as easy as going to the supermarket: milk ? check, bread ? check, cute little baby ? check. [Cue M&S sultry voice-over: this isn?t just any baby, this is YOUR cute little baby?] Sigh. We will get there? one day?

I?m off to my favourite part of the world tomorrow and very excited. I ought to have organised some work-related activities to take advantage of being there, but I think I might just soak up the atmosphere and hang out. It?s just a short trip ? five days ? but I can?t wait to go back. Nonetheless, I shall be keeping an eye on what?s going on with you all Smile. In particular, to hear how the torturous 2ww is coming along for sarlat (best of luck and much sympathy ? the waiting game is soo hard); to find out how buzzy?s allotment is shaping up (suddenly worried that this is not in fact your veg patch but some euphemism for ladies? bits Confused); to check that carrie?s clomid symptoms have eased; to find out whether artemis needed the fish slap or whether the spotting was indeed that fabled implantation bleed (keeping fingers and toes crossed); and generally to be entertained by all you lovely ladies. Waves to everyone!

BerylThePerilous · 26/05/2012 11:03

Sorry euro, missed your post. Boo hiss to period pains Sad. Hope you are bearing up. Brew

buzzybee123 · 26/05/2012 16:02

euro sorry to hear about the AF symptoms, life can be a real b*tch at times

beryl love the M&S comment and yes I do actually have an allotment with veges on it, the grass was knee high Shock Have now planted everything but courgettes as mine haven't come up yet Confused, couldn't believe the amount of ant nests there were too. I just hope it will rain a bit while I am away. Although I do need to trim my own personal forests before my hols, where are you going??

artemis what is happening??

Well after the allotment we went to Tesco, Mr B was very clucky with every baby/toddler we saw, made me feel guilty especially when he told me about the baby on the train and how he tickled the babys feet :(

Off to have yummy Valarie ice cream now

TeuchterWahine · 27/05/2012 11:40

Good morning all.
carrie How are you feeling now?
euro Brew and support thoughts.
sarlat Thank you for your great posts. Thinking of you and your wait.
buzzySad about tickling baby feet. I'm sure MrB wouldn't want you to feel guilty. On the translation front, MrTeu is from Coventry, I still have to translate Scots for him Grin My Fur Baby is called Princess Poppy, but we avoid using the title in front of her as she doesn't need any encouragement, never a dull day with her around. Playing devils advocate you could have one in a flat so long at it had enough to entertain it Wink We also had a nice 5.2 this weekend, on top of the 4.1 and 4.8 a few days ago. Oh yay.
AF will be here on Thursday (it is that clockwork). And then we are into cycle 12, tail feathers preened. Start the new job Monday and bricking it somewhat.
Have a lovely Sunday ladies.

CritterPants · 27/05/2012 13:30

Morning all! It's a beautiful three-day weekend here, and I've been drinking a mug of tea (made from my special supply stash brought back from London last weekend) and downloading the Archers omnibus - gah, homesickness is clearly turning me into my mother! Grin I hear the weather is absolutely glorious in the UK. I hope you are all enjoying the sunshine, in spite of the rash of bumps and small children it has enticed out. It's 90 degrees F already here, and Mr TightarseMr C has been refusing to turn on the air con on in our flat, so I'm up early to enjoy the cooler temperatures. And, of course, to read my favourite thread on MN! Smile

euro - I'm so sorry that AF is on its way, and so sorry that you're on to IVF and feeling understandable amounts of trepidation about it. It's totally crap. Thinking of you, and praying that this next step will be the one that brings you your little one. We will be here to hold your hand through the process.

teu sorry that your period is due, and really good luck with the new job on Monday. I always find it really exhausting when I start a new job, as there is so much information to process - not just the work, but learning all the new faces and navigating the new office dynamics as well. What will you be doing? Are you and your DH in NZ for work, or permanently? No need to say if you don't want to put too much info out there! From my limited research of watching Lord of the Rings, it looks like a stunning country. I would love to go one day.

carrie how are you feeling? That sounds terrifying. I definitely had sharper pains and twinges on Clomid, even though I didn't ovulate, but like others have said, nothing like you describe. I can't believe that you aren't being monitored with your medical history. I did three rounds of Clomid myself without any monitoring and found the lack of knowing what's happening bloody stressful and frustrating. I'd push really hard for your doctor to be checking on what your ovaries are doing with scans and blood tests.

sarlat Just wanted to say that I found your post about IVF very moving. It's a horrible thing for anyone to have to go through, and it is amazing to hear about your journey (if that doesn't sound to American). I really, really,really hope that this wait flies past for you, and most of all that this round is successful. As you say, it will all be worth it if there is a baby at the end.

buzzy hope you're doing ok, and enjoying your holidays. What are you growing in your allotment? I've found that doing a bit of gardening is one of the best destressers in this whole crappy process, although I am very much a novice at it!

kitty yay for the 12 week scan! Lovely to hear that it is all still going well on the other side, as it were, and sorry that you're feeling anxious - I hope the hypnotherapy helps.

princess you are one funny lady Grin Sorry to hear about ShowerGate, although it sounds as though a great triumph compromise was reached with the girly bedroom design! The waiting room was quite plush in my new doctors, actually - it was huge, with masses of comfy chairs and filtered water....no Vogue, but they did have Allure! I thought of you on Friday when I splashed out on a kale, cucumber, pineapple, broccoli, pear and parsley juice at WholeFoods. It was $7 of green deliciousness, but I did feel a little embarrassed paying at the checkout. I imagine the cashier was thinking, bloody yuppy! Blush

Speaking of yuppies and fur babies, my friends came over last night with their elderly Jack Russell terrier and it emerged that they occasionally give the dog coconut water as a treat, which apparently he loves Grin. I'm sure that his ancestors would be howling in horror. Can dogs be metrosexuals, do you think? Grin

wine how are you feeling? Thanks I hope you've been able to sit out in the garden and soak up some Vitamin D. Maybe Mr Wine could bring you a nice cold drink and some crap magazines to read? I'm sending positive thoughts your way, and praying that you heal as fast as possible. This has been one hell of a rough ride for you.

mrsden how irritating about your colleague. I think that some people don?t even consider that getting pregnant isn?t as easy for some people as others. Reading the IVF thread ? in which the vast majority of posters were thoughtful and kind, apart from the horrible OP ? reminded me that if you haven?t had the experience of wanting children and not being able to have them, you can?t understand what it feels like.

joyce yes yes to the heart bleeding sensation. That is exactly what it felt like being surrounded by all the little outfits? I know rationally that the best thing for me to do is to not put myself in situations with a high danger of baby awareness, and yet often I can?t seem to help myself. Good luck with the scan tomorrow.

Artemis Grin at the linen outfit ?projecting an air of relaxed cool?! I bet you look great, though. My sister (who lives in Italy) was laughing at me the other day for unironically wearing a pair of neon yellow nylon running shorts with very, very pale and slightly furry legs, and told me that ?no self-respecting Italian woman would be seen dead in those?. I really need to work on my ?summer look?. I am lightly waggling a kipper at you, but fervently hoping that it?s not required.

Gin hooray for Pimms at the Chelsea Flower Show! I am totally jealous, I?ve never been? I went on a tour of grand private gardens here in Georgetown (an uber posh part of DC) a few weeks ago, and it was amazing ? one garden had only white flowers, and another garden was a massive two acres, with an enormous main house, a huge pool and a sweet little summer house in the grounds, in spite of being in the centre of one of the most expensive areas in the US.

beryl It sounds like you are fully in the system, and that things are progressing, with Mr B?s SA coming up, and your blood tests normal. I know what you mean about not wanting to ask about exact results, but you could always ask for a print out of your notes? That?s what I did with my previous doctor. I can?t believe that 35 is the magic drop ? so many of my friends here have had their first baby after 35 and gone on to have more. I was just having lunch yesterday with a pal who had her first at 39 and is having her second at a month shy of 42.

pout how are you doing? I dyed my hair red throughout my twenties and vividly remember the purple boobs look. The best way to not get dye on your clothes is to do it in the way you describe. It's practical, innit! Grin

lemons you must be nearing the end of your 2ww - hope you're feeling chipper. Keep that tail feather high!

Waves to mrstolis, frannie, becks, and everyone else that I have missed. Right. I'm off to make some princess approved buckwheat pancakes. Mr C has emerged from the gloomy lair of our bedroom and all this typing has made me peckish!

mrsden · 27/05/2012 13:51

Hello,

critter the archers and tea sounds like the perfect way to spend a sunday. Enjoy!

carrie How are you feeling today? Did you see a Dr? It sounds like you might be hatching more than one egg, I thought that was why you should be monitored on clomid so as to avoid sextuplets. I don't normally feel ovulation but I had what I can only think were ovulation pains earlier in the week. It was a tight, pulling sensation type of pain in my lower left tummy. I'm not temping this month so I can't be certain that that is what it was. How long do ovulation pains normally last? This lasted 12 hours or so.

pout Sad about your lovely bed linen. Naughty doggy.

teu good luck for the new job.

sarlat i am keeping everything crossed for your 2ww. How are you finding the wait?

Waves to everyone else, it's lovely to hear from you kitty.

I have to finish packing or I'll miss my flight at this rate. Hopefully I'll be meeting some of you for real soon. Is there a venue yet?

carrieonlaughing · 27/05/2012 15:32

Hi all sorry for the silence had a busy time packing to go away and arguing with partner. He got upset about the amount of pressure it is putting us under and just didn't feel like he could dtd. We both got upset although I wasn't mad just felt let down especially with the pain I have had. He doesn't want to stop but I'm not willing to go throught that again (pain has almost gone and with temps and opk it was me ovulating) to be let down.
I will keep popping on and checking ou the posts but on my phone to unable to leave big messages but I am thinking about you all and thanks for the advice. I will go back to gp after our break :)

buzzybee123 · 27/05/2012 16:31

teu good luck with the new job, it seems never ending with the earthquakes, I read that some people are petitioning to save the Cathedral. Mr B is not prepared to budge on the fur baby front, I did tell him that it would be very soothing and therapeutic for me to have some cute and soft to stroke, he said he would get me a furry cushion Hmm I would love a possum cushion but nearly passed out at the price of a bit of road kill Shock Princess Poppy sounds delightful. I have told my Physio's that I'm only interested in patients who will make me a cuppa and have a pet I can play with :)

critter I love to garden, wish I had my own, my balcony is rather full with 2 little trees various shrubs a fold away BBQ and table and chairs. On the allotment I'm growing lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers, carrots, peas onions and potatoes, strawberries, raspberries and mushrooms, just need to sort out the courgettes, last year I was giving them away. I like the friendly atmosphere there.

mrsd hope you had a good flight over

carrie hope you have a lovely holiday, sorry you and Mr C had words, this is such a stressful process, it just seems so unfair

well I just need to sort myself out and then I'm ready for my flight tomorrow, Have a slight sore throat Hmm last night we found that there is a leak under the sink, Mr B thinks he can fix it but I said I was more than happy to call the very cute plumber back Grin also the kitchen door got stuck and we couldn't open it, cue lots of rude words, Mr B took off the handle and still couldn't fix it, so he thought he could kick it in Grin I very thoughtfully pointed out that the doors on TV were made of cheap light stuff so it was easy to kick in. Cue more rude words, anyway I had a go at fiddling with door handle and abracadabra the door opened Grin Grin I also very kindly pointed out how I managed to fix the car aerial while he and MIL mucked about trying to find the right* screw driver Hmm

Well I'll try and log in while I am away for news of the BFP's that are lurking, the big fat chubby finger is pointing at few of you :), will pack a couple of kippers just encase. I have to say i'm feeling really happy Hmm starting to think I might be slightly bi polar with these mood swings and always worry when is the next slump coming

buzzybee123 · 27/05/2012 16:33

oops sorry about the bold typo above :)

MrsTolis · 27/05/2012 19:04

Hi all,

Oh Carrie I do hope you are feeling better. I did not realise that Clomid could cause pain during ovulation.

Congratulations on the new job Teu.

Sorry for my absence all. I have had a really bad time of it and thought it better not to post in case I spread my negativity.

On a better page now. I finally like my new hair colour and got AF so am going for my blood test tomorrow and will be ringing the hospital to try and get my HSG booked. Wish me luck.

I have not been able to catch up with all the posts but do hope everyone is doing good.

sarlat · 28/05/2012 08:53

Morning

Took a test this morning - BFN! Sad

It could still be too early as I am 6dp5dt (or 11dpo).
Yesterday any 'symptoms' I did have which were mainly sore boobs etc disapeared which I now know is due to the HCG leaving my system. The HCG shot is the injection taken 36 hours befor egg collection to induce maturation and some other hormonal support.

My Dr did say that with IVF , woman produce symptoms much later as the pituity gland is shut down and it is the progesterone supplements which are supporting the pregnancy. Not sure I totally belive this as other IVF'ers on websites describe stong pregnancy symptoms around this point after the HSG shot has left their systems. And I know from my one and only other pregnancy that I had far far more symptoms at this stage.

The only other symptom I can think I may have had are occassional painless poking or pulse sensations in the lower abdomen from day after embryo transfer. But with this being an IVF cycle, this could be due to the trauma of the instruments in the womb or the gassy side effects of progesterone.

I am well use to getting BFN's (aren't we all unfortunatley) but this feels like a higher place to fall from. My family and close friends who know I am doing IVF have placed me on a pedestal throughout this as they tell me they are proud of me and think I'm brave.

Sorry for the ramblings - I think it helps me just to write it down.

The sensible side of me knows it is too early to say game over. But I just don't have the confidence or evidence to feel this has worked. I think my greatest fear is the Dr will say have your tubes out so that any further embies won't be washed away by your toxic body.

And breath - making a great job of running away with myself here. Need to calm down and get Brew

Thanks for listening and the endless handholding. x

lovesLemonDrizzleCake · 28/05/2012 10:08

Big hugs to sarlat. Sorry about the BFN but it is too early still. I had to step away from the tests this morning (also 11dpo) because I know (as do you) that there is nothing to be learned from tests now. Give it til Friday. If no AF, then test again. Do you have to go into the clinic to get a blood test done?

Sorry you've been miserable mrsT, but please don't feel you have to spare us! Do come and spread your feelings here, we all do! And carrie sorry you've argued with your DH. How are you feeling now?

Have a good time away buzzy and Grin at the happiness to accomodate a handsome plumber!

YAY for the trip mrsd and I hope you all have so much fun meeting tomorrow! Do we stragglers get a live feed of the meet?

Waves at everyone. Feel so much better now the sun is out (and I have been on a cycle ride again!)

eurochick · 28/05/2012 10:59

Hugs to sarlat. It really is too early you know. Try not to be too glum until you can test again in a couple of days.

I agree with lemons MrsT. Don't feel that you have to spare us. I'm certainly not that considerate when I am down in the doldrums! We are here to support one another and when one of us is feeling down is when we need that support most.

AF arrived for me this morning so IUI#2 was a failure. On to IVF (if the clinic has completed its move!).

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