TTC 10 plus months, part 6

[mrsden]

A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

Happy Light Nights one and all! I've been working flat out the past few days to get all ready for taking some long awaited leave. Im now only working three days out of the next three weeks -woo hoo! We are off for a mini break later this weekend I've been sat in the garden this afternoon feeling very summery indeed. It has been a very very long time since I took a substantial piece of leave and it feels amazing. I think I've missed quite a bit but will try and catch up. I have been reading on the move so let's see what I can remember.

pout I can't tell you how much I hope that this is your month. I wouldn't pee on a stick either. I've everything crossed for you. Also, glad to hear things seem to be moving on for you, remind me, when are you having the lap? Did you win your fabric? I love fabric a bit too much.

Welcome back euro so glad you had a decent time away (and survived getting hit on the head with a boat!). When do thing get started for you?

lemon gosh things are getting exciting for you! Did it feel strange going in early on a Sunday morning? Can I be cheeky and ask is it private and if so is it pricey? I'd really like to try it this autumn, if they ever do manage to give my womb a spring clean. I'm convinced I'm not sperm friendly and that a helicopter delivery of sperm may bypass my toxicity! Bestest of luck. I made an orange drizzle cake the other day and thought of you!

whatmess I'm so sorry about your healing up issues? How is it now? Do you agree that stitching upand after care of laps could be improved not that I'm holding a grudge with my hospital?

frannie glad the acu has helped to keep you sane. Also, there has been a lot of talk about hair since I left! For a while I did Extreme Waxing. My waxing lady persuaded me one day to whip it all off and I got a bit addicted. It felt so clean and breezy and ahem, made it all a lot more sensitive. But dh found it freaky!! So I grew it back. Unfortunately, after three years, it never did grow back properly. Whoops. I have also noticed a hair growing out of my lap scar. Ugh!

ladygee were you the Aveda starter?! I've been drooling over their website. You even get 5 free samples...and it's bound to get me pregnant hpe you're ok and that post ivf hormones work for you.

joycep hello and I've enjoyed your fruit bashing . I thought I'd tell you that my serene state of acceptance took a nosedive on Friday when I realised with sinking dread, at 5dpo, that this was another fail month. I swear I can tell. I was foul tempered! And so annoyed at all the bumps bought out by the sunshine. But I've managed to pull it back. Just.

nelly I like your regularly replenished booze. I was dismayed to read (can't remember who said) that a consultant had been frowny at 8-10 units. This is my compromise to myself and bloody hell, it isn't very much. I'd like to make them stick to that for 18 months. I used up a substantial chunk of those last week with a lovely meet up with kitty and a couple of tasty cocktails, yum yum. There was lots to chat about again and it does make me feel so much better, about everything really. We thought we would do a trip to London at some point and hopefully some of you will join us. Also, if anyone is in the north west or near enough and fancies joining us do message, I promise it would be fun and not scary. Ttc needs to throw us some good things!

gin have you started injections?

mrsden well done for surviving the baby visit. It's never quite how it's portrayed is it?

I'm supposed to ring my consultant on tue to set up my delightful repeat attempt at a hycosy and internal exam (not in the place you'd expect ). I can't even be arsed really. I'm feeling loads better at the moment and only really feel that pressure feeling in the week running up to my period and it's not half as bad as it was. I dont want another lap. I do wonder if I just did nothing if it would ever happen. I suspect not. Boo.

Tonight's Sunday tea is Jamies roast pork and peaches, which we haven't tried before. It's been a lovely weekend of lie ins, spring cleaning (I enjoy it, I know I'm odd. I've even arranged my books in colour order , so very pretty) cinema and Japanese meal last night. I'm still keeping up with doing ace stuff as often as possible using the 43 things app.

Loves to anyone I've missed x

I thought everyone had nipple hairs. You mean it's not normal and is yet another PCOS symptom, as if the chin hair and tash were not enough, Damn PCOS . I tweeze chin and nipple area, but my upper lip is increasingly a problem. Can't tweeze and the bleaching doesn't seem to be working any more. I would try electrolysis but I am not pale, well not unless you ask my cousins on Dads side of the family. To them I'm white .

Wine I must say I agree with you. After care was non existent. I had a 5 min chat with registrar while still dosed up on opiates and anaesthetic and an appointment in May, that's it. I am trying not to seem ungrateful but the whole thing had a bit of a conveyor belt feeling to it, despite the consultant and everyone else being extremely nice. On a positive, I am finally healing and the belly button looks much better.

Great things are moving along for you Lemon and glad your injection lesson went well.

Pout I am crossing my fingers for you, but also at your frantic knicker watch. [Whispers] I am obsessed with mine at the moment. Ooh that sounds erm dirty , what I mean is I am checking for signs ovulation is imminent.
I also recently bought some Kath Kidston material to make a peg bag and a toy tidy for dd. To put this in perspective. I do not sew and have only just got the sewing machine off my mum. Impulse buy, which after 2 hrs of fiddling with the darn machine, I figured was one of my more stupid moments. I mean who buys Kath Kidston material for their first ever attempt at sewing and lets not start on the fact that I thought I could just whip up a peg bag, quilted no less.

Hope everyone had the lovely sunshine. Twas 21 degrees here. Sheer Bliss. Off to watch the telly and take my mind off my ovaries . Chat to you all soon.

I defiantly continue to think that everyone has nipple hairs whatmess, I have a few of the PCOS symptoms as well (nipple and chin hairs, occasional spots - god I sounds so attractive, thank god SWI is off the cards now) but no gyn is interested in them if you have ovaries that look normal and produce an egg every month or so.

Well done for feeling better wine and lovely to have you back! Your dinner sounds fab! I am getting inspired by your Sunday dinners. I do think books organised by colour are a sign of serious insanity though . And no, I am not private and I don't think I would opt for this treatment if I had to pay for it (cos ivf gets better results and we don't have money to burn)...

Also any news pout am keeping everything crossed for you!!

Morning all. Well doctors appointment was pretty good - save for the prodding and prodding with magnifying glass . Anyways, looks like all my organs are working well (especially my liver, which is quite shocking given the level of abuse through my 20s) and blood stuff all good. It was CD17 when I had the test and I was showing high LH and low progesterone. However, they can't say that it was an LH surge because I was bleeding at the time. So, more blood tests in a couple of weeks for me just to check that I don't still have high LH. Looking like I'm too low on progesterone, which I've thought for a long while especially after two MCs. Scan in a few weeks time - GP thinks could be fibroids - hence irregular bleeing. Review of 'evidence' and possibly referral to a gyne. Feeling positive that it may just be low progesterone and no other scarey disease. I'll be a googlin' today to see if I can't prepare myself for the next round and to see if I can help with the progesterone situation through food. I've given up booze completely (8th day booze free) to try and help everything too. Not so easy but all for a worthwhile cause. (She says dreaming of Pimms or a fizzy G&T or a delicious white wine spritzer on this lovely sunny day).

Hope everyone had a lovely weekend in the sun. Big hello's to all :)

BTW GP didn't look at all shocked at my newly brazilian'd down there. I'll be sticking with my 6-weekly hot wax then.

Morning ladies

lemons I'm happy to hear that your injecting is going well. How many rounds of IUI do you get on the NHS?
As for news here, well I woke up this morning and there was no sludge at all but I went to the loo later on (not a wee) and there was a big wipe or two of blood that was a lot more reddish in colour, so it looks like this is the start of AF. I also feel crampy. I must admit I am a bit pissed off that after being quite sure that I didn't care about a BFP this month and just focussing on my lap that my body decided to suck me into the mentalling big stylee like this and give me false hope. Obviously my AF decided to show up when I had also started to dare hope. I had woken up with terrible acid and heartburn and last night DH said how hot I was especially my tummy so I admit that I had got a bit hopeful. Oh well!

Happy triggering lemons and let us know how you get on today

wine It is so nice that you have got so much leave to look forward to. It sounds like just the thought of it is already doing you good!
It is also nice that you have met up with kitty again. I must admit that I do find the thought of a meet up very, very scary indeed!
I am also eyeing up my books and wondering about the colour co-ordination thing!
My lap is booked for 1st May which is later than the consultant indicated and means that I have had to rebook my outpatients appointment which was supposed to be mid April but I suppose the time will fly by. Did you take PJs with you?

mess It's good to hear that your belly button is healing up. Boo to knicker watch. It is constant isn't it!
Good luck with your peg back project. I can't thread my sewing machine but fortunately DH can do it usually after 30 minutes or so of trying. It didn't help that I lost the instruction manual when we moved. I must admit that I did chuckle at you using the holy grail of fabric for your first project I am guilty of the same crimes, unfortunately my ambition far exceeds my capabilities too. I am planning on making some bunting for the bathroom. It is a really narrow, long bathroom and I thought that the colour might brighten it up seeing as hanging pictures would be a no, no because you would just hit your head off them owing to the narrowness of the room! I have also bought some felt and embroidery thread to do some applique....What the dickens was I thinking? Applique????

Hi pout sorry about getting your hopes up and (probably) dashed... That is rubbish. But I love the optimism on the crafty-front and the fact that your husband has to thread your machine! I seem to get 4 goes at IUI, then on the IVF waiting list. We are saving for more after that, but happy to go along with the little help... It is in the NICE guidelines that they should offer upto 6 cycles, but some gyns believe if it has not happened in 4 iui's you might as well abandon the attempt.

Well done on the positive appointment princess. Was this all at your GP's? They seem to be a bit more thorough than ours...

Sorry I missed you Princess, wasn't ignoring you!!!! I am glad that your appointment was so productive & hope that you get your referral soon. I read over the weekend (whilst googling like a mad person) that spotting can indicate fibroids. It's good that your doctor is so on the ball.

lemons Wow 4 gos of IUI seems quite good, I was expecting you to say a couple of rounds. If (because obviously you will get updiffed before that!) you have to go onto to IVF will you have to wait ages or will it be pretty quick? Are you already on the waiting list....I don't know how this all works at all.
Definitely AF BTW. Bad cramps now and lots of bright red blood

So sorry about AF, pout!
I am not sure how long the waiting-list is after iui's - I am keeping my head firmly in the sand on that, as I cannot do much about it. Once we get nearer, I might have to engage with it. But I am giving myself a few more cycles of blissful(ish) ignorance. The no SWI necessary is quite nice, I have to admit. We can do it whenever we feel like from iui but we don't need to :)

Our trust gives you EITHER three gos at IUI or one go at IVF. We opted (being asked to make the decision on the spot) for IVF but now I am doubting that.

I'm very impressed at all your crafty attempts, ladies. I don't do craft. The only sewing I ever do is reattaching the odd button. I am just rubbish at that kind of thing. It's probably a good thing I like my decor fairly minimalist as I wouldn't be able to decorate with nice homemade bits and pieces even if I wanted to!

For those asking about timing, we could start downregging injections this week, but I am still not sure what I want to do. Maybe put it off for a month, maybe see if we can move to IUI instead. I am really in a quandry.

at the having to make that choice on the spot euro. I think that is completely unreasonable. It is a big decision. Have you had a look at costs of things privately? If you are still unsure I would consider putting it off for a month. The one thing I have noticed, is that time is flying now we're onto treatments (and it scares the hell out of me). Do what feels right for you! (For what it is worth, euro I think we would have opted for IVF as well, if we had had to make that choice)

Aw pout sorry this wasn't the month. Hope you can just nestle with a hot water bottle today. It's worse when the mentalling gets a firm hold. About a year ago my mum had a dream that this month I'd get pregnant so I was having silly daydreams earlier in the month but I'm most def pre-menstrual. It's a mean old game. I'm not sure which is worse, bring hopeful then dashed or permanently unhopeful. I love the sound of your crafts! I spent ages mooching on etsy last night at retro patchworked cushions and art for the room we are decorating over our leave. I'm just sat in that room now and have counted six ladybirds why??

lemon I have iui I get no option of that. I may still try two rounds and think of it as a highly extravagant golden lottery ticket.

princess what was the magnifying glass for!!!? Really? Hope you get light shed on things soon.

euro I think, without meaning to be woo, that you need to follow your gut instinct. For me, trying other options first feels right, just in case it's a sperm journey problem. It feels part of the plan, for some reason. I think it's important you're ready and another month, if it helps you get there, is nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a tricky one to work through though.

Today I'm meeting my mum for a glass of champagne. This isn't in any of my baby making manuals as an approach but sod it.

We had at least discussed it beforehand, but we didn't know we would be asked to make a decision there and then. The consultant sort of steered us into it anyway, because he said with no know sperm issues, IVF would be our best bet. But a big part of me would prefer the less invasive option. And we are in the fortunate position of being able to afford private IVF if IUI didn't work. Part of me just wants a baby asap, but another part of me really, really doesn't want IVF.

Afternoon everyone. Sorry I'm such an infrequent poster at the moment, things just keep getting in the way. Being banned from computers for a month has got me used to doing other things with my time, so I'm just not online as much these days. I'm back at work for a week now, so should manage a post a day at least.
We're on about 4DPO, but my temps aren't staying stable so far, so I'm not sure. I made DH do SWI 3 days in a row, which he found hard work. I wanted to give this month a good chance as it's the second since my HSG. Not sure if I feel hopeful though. I did find an appointment with my consultant I'd forgotten about, for early May. So looking forward to that, and associated answers.

Euro When I asked my consultant about IUI he said there's no point doing it. The success rates in their studies showed it wasn't any better than just leaving couples to try unassisted for the same amount of time. If I was given the choice, I'd go IVF.

Pout sorry it's not your month, I was reading your posts and feeling hopeful for you. I hope your lap gives you some answers, or nice clean tubes. Do laps have the same benefits as HSG seem to?

Loving the chat about crafts. I wish I did some! I've had plans to make all sorts of things, but just never seem to get around to it. Even being off work for the last 3 weeks. I decided to spend the time getting the house more tidy and organised instead. Our spare/guest room is more of a computer/storage room, and I really want to change that. I also want to be able to turn it into a nursery one day.

Uhoh, lunch ended 10 mins ago. Waves to everyone I've missed!

Hello lovely ladies,

I've missed so much in just a few days! We've had a strange weekend, it was mrgee's birthday so we were supposed to be celebrating with days out and the like but it didn't quite work out that way...

A belated welcome back euro. Sounds like you had fun on holiday and a few not so fun incidents too, glad you managed to take a break from ttc mentalling though. Sorry you?re still in a quandary about what to do next. Fwiw, I?d wait if I wasn?t sure, you know you can go for it at any point.

Lemons ? yay on the lovely follie at an impressive size already, how did the trigger shot go? And your fridge sounds like mine, ttc friendly organic milk next to non-ttc friendly gin, limes and tonic!

Mrsd and others ? ouch at nipple hair and even more ouch at tweezing them out!

Whatmess ? I hope your infection starts to heal up soon.

Mini ? have a great holiday!

Kitty ? T?wasn?t me who started the Aveda chat [casually ignores the fact that I did probably help fuel the fire once started though]. at stealth SWI ? good going!

Wine ? (and Kitty) don?t forget to sign up to the privilege card for Aveda, you get a free birthday present every year and I?ve now saved enough points to get my hair cut and coloured free next time I go (wonder how much money that means I?ve actually spent on the stuff )

Very jealous of your time off wine, sounds like you have some lovely plans ? starting with a glass of bubbly with your mum today! And I'm really pleased you're keeping up mission lovely things!

Pout ? so sorry that the last few days have resulted in AF, it?s crap, truly crap. I suppose at least you can get on with investigations as planned

Gin ? Great news that you?re starting IVF in a few days. We had one embryo transferred, despite saying we would have two if it was an option. The only reason we did this is because that one was so much better than any of the others so there wasn?t really another to choose. Personally, if there has been two good looking ones, we'd have had them put in.

Ah, the joy of daily ?-and then twice daily-- injections. Two things I found most useful were breathing out as I put the needle in and injecting very, very slowly so that you can?t really feel the liquid going in. The nurses suggested numbing the area you?re injecting with an ice cube but I never did this as I don?t like being cold!

Frannie and kitty ? thank you for your positive post-IVF stories. It?s nice to know it does and can happen.

Joycep ? I?m glad your GP has referred you, even though it?s taken far too long. My GP only did the basic bloods and then it was off to the hospital where they did more bloods and the HSG before they discussed any treatment options.

I know what you mean about flipping between miserable and just plain angry. This is me at the moment and I can?t seem to snap myself out of it.

DH and I both seem to be stuck in a rut. It was his birthday at the weekend and it was pretty miserable. He opened up and basically said he didn?t want to do anything to celebrate as it all just felt insignificant and he didn?t really want to go anywhere/do anything as there were reminders of the fact that we haven?t got a baby everywhere. I thought it was just us ladies that felt like this. DH is usually the one who picks me up and I?m hoping I can pull myself together enough so that I can be there for him. We are making an effort with new hobbies and planning mini-breaks but it all just seems so damn hard, and sometimes a bit false?

I know I shouldn't be ranting on such a lovely day but I needed to vent and move on after a crappy weekend.

Waves to stasi and everyone I've missed!

Oh pout - i was sitting on the train yesterday thinking about you and just saying to myself like a mad woman that i really hoped this was your time. I am sorry that your hopes have been cruelly dashed. It really does sound like your body has been trying to do something though. I?m not sure that?s a helpful comment.

wine - i?m so pleased you are getting some time off over the next few weeks. Enjoy. You thoroughly deserve it and I hope this weather sticks. Well done for pulling back in to serenity. I find it increasingly difficult to so i am in awe of your positivity. You also sound like a very good cook, my mouth waters when i read your post!

Oh dear about all the nipple hairs, chin hairs and tache hairs. Check, check, check. And I don?t think i have pcos or if I do, nobody has told me so. I thought it was just a sign of getting older actually.

princess - i am glad your appointment went well. I have low progesterone too (30 on the day 21 test ? should ideally be above 40). Although, if your LH was hight and progesterone low, doesn?t that suggest you hadn?t ovulated?

euro - i can imagine i will never be ready for ivf but i would think your head needs to be in the right place before embarking on it. Perhaps you can leave it for a month to try and work out what you would like to do.

stasi - I hope your hand is getting better. How nice you can?t use computers though - i?m rather envious of that!

lady - i am sorry that you and dh are feeling stuck in a rut and that your dh didn?t want to celebrate his birthday. It must be horribly hard and very difficult deciding what your next steps should be. I hope your follow up brings some answers and a new plan. I think plans are always good and being stuck in limbo just leaves us all lost. DH and I were very miserable too this weekend. It doesn?t help that I don?t see him very much these days and it was our first whole day together since Jan. He was saying how unfair everything was. I don?t know what?s better really, that they are all positive and shrug off all our worries or when they open up and reveal that they are just as miserable as us ladies.

I was on Fertility friends last night for hours, ploughing through the minefield of immune testing. I?m going to try and book myself in to get these tests done whilst i wait for a nhs appointment.

Boo to AF and it's mind games Pout.

Just woke up from a 3 hour nap , my hormones seem to be playing games with me at nighttime by waking me up every hour, so not surprising. Anyway just woke up to quite painful cramps very low in belly. Rushed to the loo thinking AF was here, but it looks like it might be the ovaries finally ready to let an egg out. No on the OPK but knicker watch [sorry that phrase is a goer in the Messy household now] is looking very positive.
Will OPK again tomorrow and hopefully get a .

I told MrMessy that we probably needed to DTD again today, his response was a rather comical face with raised eyebrows and a questionable What. then a laughable, "Don't touch me, there's too much contact in this relationship at the moment". As you can tell my husband is a joker.
Seriously he is being great and I think going through this is bringing us closer together, although I wish we could have found an easier way to rekindle the romance.

Just wanted to add, having caught up with the posts I missed...

Lady I'm sorry you and your DH are feeling so down and hope it passes for you both soon. It is hard when they are always so brave for us to know how they really feel and then when they do open up it can be a torrent that we don't know what to do with. I think you are right to try distracting yourselves even if it feels false, it won't matter if it helps make you feel better.
My DH is very bad at talking to me about stuff, we've had a lot go on the past few years following a serious road accident he had and my MC. I won't go into detail except to say, if he finds it hard to talk to you then it might help if he tries talking to someone neutral (a friend or a councillor). I found with my DH, that the worst thing was it all building up. We all have this forum as a release valve and the men need that to.
Hope I haven't overstepped with my advice. It's difficult to know just how much of ones own life influences responses. I suspect, pretty much all of it.

joycep there's lots of info on the Pred thread on here about immune testing too. A lot of the info on FF is helpful, but the results look completely different to the set I got. I think most of the women there are seeing one dr (whose name escapes me) and most of the women on the Pred thread are seeing Shehata. I think they use different labs, so the test results look very different. I'm glad I had the immune testing done even though I haven't ended up with a pre-IVF BFP.

If you go down that road I would recommend having a think about how aggressively you would want to treat if there is a problem. I am fine with steroids (which I have had) and intralipids (which I have not had) but I am not keen on IVIG (blood products). Maybe I would go for it after several rounds of IVF but it's not something I am very comfortable with personally. But plenty of women on the FF board seem to have had it with no problems.

lemons no SWI baby making sounds like bliss to me

euro what a horrible choice to have had to make between IVF and IUI. I would have relied on the consultant to steer me through that one too. I am sorry that you still are in a quandry, I hoped that your holiday had helped to clear your mind on it. I don't really know what to say other than echo what others have said about going with your feelings on it.

wine Ah, the silly daydreaming, there was plenty of that for me over the weekend sadly! Was imagining Christmas with a newborn and all kinds of silliness. Your Mum's dream would have got my hopes up too. Funnily enough the night before I started with the darned spotting I dreamt that I got my AF - I have never dreamt that before!
I used to love ladybirds until I read that when there is little water about they give a nasty bite to draw moisture out of our skin Do you think you have a nest? Do they nest?
Enjoy your champers with you mum! Beats sharing a cup of Mellow Birds!!

Stasi It is odd how us ladies on here must be in the minority for actually looking forward to hospital appointments! I hear you on the spare room. Our second room hasn't been used since we moved in because it needed damp issues to be fixed. We plan to decorate it over Easter and wallpaper one wall. I am in a dilemma because I hope that one day it will be a nursery and don't know what paper to pick. I wonder whether to tempt fate and choice something flowery & totally unsuitable for a baby boy.....

ladygee Goodness Aveda must be expensive if you get a birthday present! Can't see Tesco value shampoo offering that
I'm so sorry to hear that your DH is struggling too and didn't enjoy his birthday.

joycep It must be difficult not seeing much of your DH at the moment especially when you are feeling low yourself. I hate it when my DH works weekends so can't imagine what it would be like for this to be a regular thing.
I also think that something tried to happen this month. DH reckons I ought to test each cycle so I know for sure and can tell the doctor if things are happening but not sticking but TBH I couldn't face the mentalling over ever growing faint lines should that be the case.

mess Gosh at your ovulation pain feeling like AF pain. That is horrible. It is also horrible when your night time sleep gets disturbed like that. I am a horror when I am over tired!
It is nice that TTC is bringing you and your DH closer together

There has been lots of DH talk on here and I realised today that I am narked with my DH because I don't think even he thinks I can get pregnant any more. When I told him about AF coming earlier whilst on the phone to him, he just said how it wasn't a surprise and he was expecting it. I guess I also was a bit peeved that he wasn't exactly optimistic over the weekend too and not actually at all very interested. Does anyone else's DH actually ask about whether AF has arrived or whether you are still spotting etc..?

Sorry for incessant posting on here over the last few days, I am aware that I can be quite me, me, me and will endeavour to change until my next mini crisis

pout I?m so sorry. I was eagerly awaiting your posts hoping for good news. I really hope you don?t feel too down, hugs to you x x
and at birthday pressies from Tesco value. My DH used to be really optimistic every month, but these past couple of months I think reality has set in and he?s losing his optimism (about a year after I lost it). Don?t apologise for posting, that?s exactly what this thread is for and we all understand how you feel.

whatmess ooh you are about to lay an egg, me too. I had thought I was heading for an anovulatory cycle, because I had lots of EWCM on Friday and Saturday and then it abruptly dried up, negative OPK and no temp rise. But today I had a +OPK so it looks like it?s shagging time tonight in the Kitty household if DH ever makes it home from work. I?ve just had some cough mixture and a big glass of grapefruit juice to try and encourage the EWCM along a bit.

joyce good plan on the immune testing, it seems that it is something that can be tackled relatively straightforwardly so got to be worth a try.

lady I was really sad to hear that you had such a difficult weekend. I can imagine it was a bit of a shock to hear that your DH was thinking the same things that we think all the time. I feel exactly the same about days out; there are just too many children and babies. I find that doing something absorbing is much better at taking my mind off things. And I so know what you mean about things feeling false and empty, it?s really difficult. Hope you and your DH feel better soon. Thanks for the tip about Aveda, I shall definitely get a loyalty card. When I went into the shop the consultant took one glance at my hair and went ?I?m putting you straight onto Damage Repair?! :(

Hi stasi hope you are finding it ok being back at work and good luck for your second post-HSG cycle, fingers crossed.

euro that is crap that you had to make that decision on the spot. I was stressed when they asked whether I wanted a lap or HSG, and I?d already given it some thought before I went in. Yours sounds much worse! I would definitely have picked IVF though given that choice. It makes me mad because it is another example of postcode lottery. Anyway I hope you manage to reach a decision you feel comfortable with, gut instinct is the way to go I reckon. I?m not a crafter at all either. I have no interest in making things and am totally rubbish with anything like that, if I want something I buy it from John Lewis

wine hope you had a lovely day with your mum, beautiful day for it, very hot and sunny round here. And enjoy the rest of your leave, you really deserve a rest.

princess glad your appointment went well, it sounds very thorough. The sunshine makes me want booze too, just seeing the words ?white wine spritzer? in your post made me slaver! I?ve had a bit too much recently and am going back on the wagon for a bit :(

lemons really massive good luck for the IUI. I?ve got everything crossed for you and I hope it all goes smoothly, and the procedure itself is nice and easy.

I am really hairy too, it?s a constant battle to keep them in check and they seem to get worse and worse as I get older. And they are EVERYWHERE!! (nipples included). I?ve always assumed it was hereditary as my mum is the same, but now I know I?ve got one polycystic ovary I guess that?s where it comes from. I?ve also got oily skin and am prone to chin spots so it fits the profile. Bah. The chin hairs are particularly gross, but they are a joy to tweeze :)

gin am so excited that you?re finally starting, massive eeeek to you. I have got everything crossed for a successful cycle for you.

Waves to mini lisa nelly frannie mrsd sorry if I?ve missed anyone.

Well I had a nice relaxed weekend visiting friends that was not baby or TTC related in any way shape or form, lovely. I did have the misfortune to meet a male Coven member on Saturday night though. About 2 seconds after I had been introduced to him he asked me how long I?d been married and then he followed it up with ?...and you?re not pregnant yet?? in a snidey and disbelieving manner. I curtailed that convo pretty quickly but not before he managed to slip in that he had two boys aged 7 and 9 Seriously, who are these people and why must I constantly meet them?! Anyway I was a little tipsy and had a drunken sad moment about it all with a lovely (non-coveny) male friend, and he had no words but just gave me a massive manly hug which was so nice and made me feel loads better! I do wish people wouldn't make those kind of comments so casually. It was such an off the cuff, careless remark but it very nearly ruined my entire evening . I was doing a very good job of pretending to myself that I was ok, and the comment was like shattering my little glass bubble. And aside from fertility issues, the implication that as a woman I should just be breeding really irked me

Then had a preg announcement and a birth announcement today, sigh, nothing new there though.

Sorry for monster posting ans ranting at the end there! Hope everyone is ok.

pout sorry its not your month, my DH usually knows when AF is due but does't mention it to me really, just got a text from a lady who I met on a different website, she asked how it was going and I said AF had arrived, she was oh poor you, you must be fed up by now blah blah blah, I wasn't feeling to bad until she text me, I don't need her pity just because she is pregnant and I am not !!! Sorry just needed to rant

lady sorry you and DH didn't have a good weekend, I hope things get better for you both soon my DH doesn't say much and keeps most of it to himself, although since the last miscarriage he has spoken up more about how he feels.

wine enjoy your time off :)

this thread moves really fast, I think and type slow, the joy of being soooooooooo OLD, so sorry for lack of personals x

kitty & Pout Not 100% sure it's ovulation as I haven't had a +OPK yet but all the other signs are there, shooting pains in nipples and cervix fluid checks, all though tbh I've never had cramps this bad with ovulation before. What's the deal with the cough meds? Heard it mentioned b4 but don't know what the idea is behind it.

kitty a MAN said that to you [shocked] wow he sounds very insecure if he has to make comments like that!!! Or suffers from tiny p*s syndrome. This isn't the 1950's where women do nothing but stay home have kids and keep house, even DH is surprised by it

whatmess the cough medicine thins your body's fluids including your CM, hopefully making it nice and easy for the swimmers to get through. I wish it made them rocket powered