TTC 10 plus months, part 6

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A friendly, supportive thread for those of us who are taking a bloody long little longer time than average to conceive.

nelly ? I like the sound of that saying, I need to remember it! Sorry about the spotting, I hope AF stays away.

euro ? sounds like you?ve made a good decision, I hope it?s all smooth sailing from here for you.

mrsd ? DH?s legs on my shoulders sounds very acrobatic and far too energetic How funny that you had a toddler dream too!

pout ? hope the pre-op all went ok today?

gin ? yay to two lovely embies settling in nicely. I?ve got everything crossed for you.

Waves to everyone else and hello to all the pregnant lurkers!

I'm ready for the end of this week now, even though it's only been four days, roll on the weekend.

Belated happy birthday to frannie.

And massive good luck to the little embies embedding as we speak gin!

How was the pre-op appointment, pout? And more importantly, did your DH manage to assemble the spare bed?

Still spotting, nelly?

Totally agreeing that the 4-day week should be over now, lady. Hope you can sneak off early tonight!

Waves to all the pg-lurkers (and feel free to post, miss you!) And happy Fridays to everyone else (especially the faraway contingent, who should be tucking into their Friday evening tipple, if I am calculating correctly!)

Another belated happy birthday to Frannie, hope you had a good day! And hurrah for gin's two embies, everything crossed they stick.

Philbee I started temping a few months back and find it really helpful in understanding my cycles. My GP repeated the day 21 test twice before he would refer me but the fertility nurse said I needn't have bothered, I don't have regular cycles so the results weren't reliable and apparently that is not the most important test as far as the clinic is concerned. How did you get on with your GP?

I love how international this thread is becoming! Must head off and get some work done. Waves to all (special waves to the pregnant lurkers :)), happy Friday 13th to you all!

Lovely pg lurkers, can we have a round-up on how you all got your win, because I am lost... And need some encouragement!

I thought it was as follows:
Natural conception (but a little later): kitty, mini and many others, who?
Clomid: izzy
Scary op (drilling and endo removal): whatmess
IVF/ICSI: fatima

Quick wave at artemis

Good news and good luck, gin, hope it's all going well.

artemis - thanks. I have ordered my thermometer from amazon. GP was ok, wants to repeat day 21 test but is adamant that that's the right day to do it on. DH has to have his test and then she'll refer us based on those results, so hopefully in a few weeks.

DH and I did have a brief talk though, about when to call it quits in terms of intervention. We do already have a DD, and are very happy as a family of three. I think I'd like to pursue interventions a bit, but don't want to get to a very stressful point. I think DH feels we are close to that point already and I suspect he might be right. Since my mc last year I really don't like seeing doctors and going to clinics (not that it was enjoyable before, of course!), and I don't want to be doing it regularly really. The GP said today that we can't get IVF on the NHS anyway, as we already have DD, and I don't know how much it is to go private but I'm guessing too much and too stressful for us as a couple and as a family. If we get a referral and I can have clomid that will be ok, but maybe that's going to be the end of it for us, and we'll keep trying naturally for a few more years and set an age gap date to stop at.

Does anyone else feel like that? I know that lots of you are trying for no. 1 and if that was the case for us I'd feel differently.

Hi Lemon a round up is no probs...

We had a DD in Nov 2009 (took 9 months to conceive, I had cycles between 26-46 days) and started trying for a second in about June/July 2010.

Cycles were ridiculous in that i would go 100+ days with no period. Went to GP after about a year and had usual bloods and pelvic ultrasound. US didnt show much but i had a bmi of 35.6 so not surprising as it wasn't internal. Bloods indicated PCOS.

Referred to infertility clinic where I was seen in October 2011. Had internal US on day of appt which showed right ovary obliterated by cysts and left bad but not as bad as right. BMI too high for clomid (needed to be under 35) so started on Metformin for 3 months. I had a 26 day cycle with 5day Lp then a 28 day cycle with 8 day LP. The 28 day cycle showed i did ovulate but it was a 'weak' ovulation as prog only 5!

Back to clinic in January 2011 and had managed to reduce BMI to under 35 (was 33) so was eligible for clomid. Given a prescription for 6 months at 50mg and told that we could decide when to start them as the met looked like it might do something. We talked it over and decided to try a month of clomid to see if we could get a stronger ov.

That cycle I started 50mg clomid days 2-6, I also took baby aspirin as my extensive googling research had found clomid can thin uterus lining and cause implantation problems and aspirin had been shown to help. We used preseed on the SWI days (only 2g as dont really need it for lubrication!) and I had my legs in the air resting on DH's shoulders at the crucial moment. I had also started taking a pregnancy/conception multivitamin as it was on offer in ASDA!

Had day 21 bloods that showed no ovualtion, then day 29 bloods that showed progesterone levels were 36 (+30 means successful ov). I was told to expect my period in a few days or so. CBFM had showed PEAK on day 22 so i tested 10dpo and got super faint line and then on 11dpo FRER was POSITIVE

and that was me! Although I have had a hellish rollercoaster since BFP as had big bleed, then a scan showed miscarriage etc etc but for now I am still pregnant!

Due in November!!

Goodness that was long, hope you dont mind but I couldnt think how to shorten it!?

Happy to share Lemons! hope it helps someone.

I came off pill in Feb 2011 and started TTCing DC1 in May 2011. I had fairly regular cycles if a bit longer than average (32-40 days).

In November/December 2011, went to GP and got blood tests and internal scan and SA done. Scan showed PCOS (11+ cysts each ovary). Blood tests showed hypothyroid (high TSH) and unconfirmed ovulation.

In January 2012 I went on levothyroxine. More blood tests at end of Feb, my thyroid was now normal and ovulation was confirmed. No BFP in February but then got a BFP on 27 March 2012! Month 11 of TTCing.

I really think it's the thyroid meds that led to my BFP. However, other things we tried (including in the month of BFP) were acupuncture, preseed, vitamin supplements, oh and the now patented Legs-on-DH-shoulders position...

I'm now 6 weeks pregnant and touching all wood in sight.

Hi all, Thanks for the lovely wishes- I was really touched!

Me, me, me alert!
Had a pretty nice day really. AF stayed away all day- until a pink wipe at about 11pm (bitch- she wasn't invited!). Didn't mind too much as was a bit drunk by then. Full on AF today Booked my first scan apt though so feels like I could at least be proactive. Going to keep myself super busy this weekend and rest of month. Am also considering not temping this month- to stop that being my first thought of the day! Anyone who's done IUI- do they expect you to temp/ was it helpful to you? Don't know if I can handle another 2WW mental like this one!
This month for some reason I feel more cross than upset. My 'unexplained infertility' is getting right on my bloody nerves. Feel it should be called 'There's- something- wrong- but- we- don't- know- what- it- is- infertility'! I feel like I'm one of many cattle going through the channels but that there haven't been enough investigations to identify the problem before being given bloody expensive treatment on the taxpayer (that has a low success rate because it isn't actually suited to lots of the people doing it!). That said, I don't want to seem really negative and ungrateful when I know I'm very lucky to have been given this treatment and that lots of people have it way worse than me and would give their right arm for this treatment. And it does work for some people, otherwise they wouldn't do it. I would just have thought it would be better to do lots more tests and investigations before starting this.

Sorry, the above sounds like the rantings of a total loon but I needed to get it off my chest and this is the only place I feel I can do it. Going to go off and do something relaxing and I shall come back later in a nicer mood and say hello properly! Lots of love to all xxx

I seem to have missed your birthday *frannie", so happy belated birthday. I hope you had a good one.

That's a good idea about the pregnancy round up lemons. Thanks izzy and mini for your stories. It really does give me hope that it will happen eventually.

How was the pre op appointment pout?

gin I'm keeping everything crossed for you. How do you feel about twins? Did they give you a choice about one or two embryo transfer? When did they tell you to test?

I'd recommend temping too phillbee, I can tell by my temps when I haven't ovulated as there is no rise. I find it very reliable. Although I've slacked off taking it now because it does become all consuming. Re. when to give up, I was always one of those people who would have said IVF wasn't for me. And I see a lot of people writing on ivf threads who haven't had problems ttc saying things like "I would never have had IVF if we'd been unlucky enough to have problems". But, now that I'm in this situation I'd go to the ends of the earth to get pregnant, no matter what the cost or effort. But we don't have a child and I think that probably does make a difference. DH and I have said that we would try 4 rounds of ivf because after that it is very unlikely to work if it hasn't worked in that time. The thought of it not working is a very dark one that I'd prefer not to think about.

whoops cross posted with you frannie. How dare AF turn up on your birthday? That happened to me last birthday too, it's like she knows how to ruin a party. If it helps, I feel just as angry about having male factor and pcos diagnosed. I don't think there is any good diagnosis in this game. I get the impression that the treatment is more or less the same whatever the cause, clomid or other ovulation inducing drugs, IUI and then IVF. I wish we could get a fertility specialist or researcher on for a webchat so we could ask these sorts of questions.

Hello ladies

Great news gin I am keeping my fingers crossed for you.

wine, mrsd and ladygee I'm so glad that you mentioned the being exhausted with everything. I feel exactly the same and in the literal sense just am absolutely knackered all the time. I suppose mentalling 24/7 can make you feel physically yuk. I also agree ladygee that it is taking up all my energy just to keep putting one foot in front of the other.

nelly any movement on the AF front?

euro I am glad that you are feeling more comfortable with your plans for treatment going forward.
Lilac paint? Mmmmm sounds nice I always have a paint malfunction. In our old, old house one room got painted 3 times before I really lost it and just mixed up all the different tubs I had bought and made my own shade. I only wanted a neutral off white/beige shade FFS!
Thankfully the purple is a grower and following the advice on here it had mostly been obscured by the bed & curtains.

beryl have you exchanged yet? I am so envious and would love not to be renting!

philbee how did your GP appointment go? It is so difficult the dilemma of when to draw the line with all this. I know that I don't want to keep plugging away and feeling like this for the rest of my thirties but I don't think I am strong enough to say enough is enough & like you mrsd feel like I would go to the ends of the earth just to have a baby. I wonder if a massive part of it is the setting myself a challenge as much as anything else.

lemons how are you feeling? Okay I hope. The bed is up and I am really pleased with it. It was off ebay and was an absolute bargain which makes me love it more!
The pre-op was fine thanks for asking. It took ages with loads of waiting around with some mad nurse calling peoples names and getting them totally wrong. When we went in to see her she started bitching how people are just sat there with their earphones in and don't hear her calling them...nothing to do with the fact that you couldn't get their names right then or, I quote, "I shout out their middle name"?!
Bit of a bummer too. I can't have the op if I am on my period. Guess what, stupid AF is likely to turn up around that time! So I have to get a prescription of something to stop my period. Am a bit in case it messes up my periods for longer than this one cycle.

frannie I'm so sorry that AF came on your birthday. How rubbish.
I feel exactly the same as you about the unexplained thing. It is pants and makes me feel like more of a failure. I feel like there is nothing wrong so why can't I produce a baby. I would say to you just keep plugging away at your GP and don't do what I did and let your consultant off the hook by going away quietly. I'm lucky in that we got a second chance because we moved but I so let the consultant off with our "oh okay then, you have no idea why we can't conceive but I'll just bimble off" when we lived in Sussex.

Waves to everyone I've missed.

Afternoon ladies.

Pout what operation is it you are having? Sorry if you have mentioned it - I am struggling to keep up at the moment now work has got rather busy.

Frannie I know what you mean about being "unexplained". There is so much that drs don't know about conception. There is clearly a lot more to it than the basic egg/sperm/clear tubes that the standard tests cover. If that were all there is to it, there is no reason why IUI or IVF should have any success with people who are "unexplained". But they both do.

I'm having my first cycle of IUI and I do temp, but not because of the IUI - I've been doing it for a year. I have found it very helpful to get to know my cycle. It wouldn't be much use for timing IUI though as it only shows ovulation AFTER it has happened (the corpus luteum from the burst follicle causes progesterone to be released which causes the temperature rise). But I guess it would let you see with hindsight whether the IUI was well-timed. For timing the IUI my NHS clinic just asked me to use ov sticks twice a day. The private clinic I have switched to because of the weekend opening issue offers a mid cycle scan as part of the IUI price. I had that this morning and that showed a good lining and 2x17mm follicles on my left ovary. I'm on day 13 and I tend to alternate ovulation between days 14 and 16. Last month was day 14, so I thought I would be heading towards a day 16 ovulation and the follicle sizes also suggest this. I've hear they grow around 1mm a day and pop when they get to somewhere between 20 and 24 mm. But the dr said to keep using the ov sticks and call when I have a surge. I reckon I should surge saturday/sunday and ovulate on monday, which would be day 16.

Sorry, I'm wittering on because I have just been doing all the mental calculations on the train into work after my appointment!

So it looks like we could have stayed with the NHS and had the IUI on Monday, but I'm still fine with the fact that we have changed clinics. At least the scan gave me some idea of what is going on in there.

I met a friend for lunch yesterday who I had thought for a while might be trying. Anyway, we got talking about it and it turns out they have been trying for 3 years. She had IVF late last year and got pregnant but then miscarried. I could tell from the way she was talking about it she was still in bits. There was another friend with us who has 3 grown up kids and she said she couldn't imagine what it must be like to deal with all this and the two of us both chorused "it's sh1t" at exactly the same time. So that was unanimous!

Afternoon ladies!

Glad to hear the pre-op went well pout. It?s so typical that AF is due to turn up at the same time as the op itself! The thought of taking stuff that might upset your cycle is worrying, but I guess you have to focus on the positive side that you will get the op over and done with and hopefully be one step closer to your BFP? The exchange went through, thanks for asking! I?m super excited and can?t wait for Mr B to get back (tomorrow) so we can celebrate . Have so far spent the day looking at furniture we can?t afford?

euro what an exciting few days you?ve got ahead of you? Best of luck with the IUI! It sounds like the reassurance from the scan was worth the hassle of changing clinics. How sad for your friend? but it?s good that she was able to confide in someone who knew something of what she has been going through.
Congratulations gin on the two little embies! How are you feeling now? Do you have a 2ww as normal? I hope you have lots of nice and relaxing things planned for the weekend.

frannie I?m glad you enjoyed your birthday, despite AF gatecrashing the event. Sorry you?re finding the ?unexplained? diagnosis difficult. I can well imagine how frustrating it must be. We?re just at the initial stages of trying to identify the problem but, in many ways, it sounds like it will be easier if they find something properly wrong so at least we?ll know what it is we?re dealing with.

Hi purple! I thought I recognised your name. You gave me some useful advice on timing the day 21 test, if I remember correctly. Tomorrow (Sat) is actually cd21, so I was planning on going for the test on Monday (cd23). But seeing as I only ovulated on cd19 (well, I got my CBFM ?peaks? on cd17/18, so I?m assuming that?s right??), I?m thinking I?ll wait even longer, say Wed/Thu. In any case, from what other people have said, I?m not holding out any great hopes that the day 21 test will reveal anything. Anyway, how are you? Beirut sounds interesting... have you been there long?

Hope everyone?s having a good Friday. I?ve started winding down for the weekend without ever having really been wound up .

Hello ladies. Just a quick phone post. AF is here . On the plus side, as expected it was a day later than my app said, which proves I really know my cycle. Which is great, except I know it every month. I really don't need more practice .

I've also worked out that was my 24th cycle fail. Equivalent of 2 years worth, although with shorter cycles it's "only" been 20 months. Discovering that has actually upset me a lot. This is shite.

Still at least this cycle brings an appointment. Looking on the bright side .

Meh. Sorry for me me me. Will go and have coffee and cake, then later some wine, and post later to catch up with you all.

Afternoon ladies!

Sorry about the AF arrivals, nelly and on your birthday too, frannie. That is evil! I am with you on the hating unexplained, frannie and euro. Although I panicked a lot before the first few SA as no swimmers whatsoever would have been devastating. One thing to keep in mind is, that our gyn said that 40% of the unexplaineds that don't get pg in the first couple of IUIs do have something noticably wrong at a lap&dye. So that may be our next point of call (after a few more tries).

Also pout, a lap&dye does sound like a good step, so shame about the messing-up-w-cycle hormones, but best get it over and done with. I hope they clear up any issues they can see! Great the room is looking better with stuff in it (isn't that always the case?)

As to temping and IUI, I don't do it, I did a few months a year ago, which confirmed ovulation and hated it. It def is not necessary, but might help you. How is your clinic monitoring you? And is it with or without clomid or something? My clinic does close monitoring, so I go in for ultrasounds regularly until the follie is 18mm, then they trigger and IUI 36hrs after. Good luck with your IUI, euro!

Agree with mrsd and others about going to the end of the earth for a baby. But I have to see how we go, stresswise. I am absolutely fine again, but found the last 10 days really intense and knackering...

Thanks for the how-you-did-it stories, izzy and mini. I did not realise you'd had thyroid issues, mini. Keeping fingers crossed for uneventful pgs!!

Nothing wrong with winding down without winding up this week, beryl. I cannot be bothered anymore and it is not home time yet :( Anyone got anything nice planned?

Struggling to keep up ladies!

carebear - missed your post pre Easter. Not sure you will see this post but that?s great you have an appointment with Dr S. I hope it throws up something obvious and he says ?this is why it hasn?t been happening?. There?s nothing worse than there just not being a reason...as there has to be one at the end of the day. Thanks for your thoughts on how you found ivf. I must say i am finding it comforting hearing that the physical side isn?t too bad...ok the emotional side is a different story. Rye flour is a good option actually. I may look in to recipes with that as well. Also I noticed from another thread that you had had a lap done. Did you have to push for this or did they just offer it to you or did you have symptoms that suggested endo?

gin - the best of luck for the next 2 weeks and hopefully your little embies will be bedding down for the next 9 months Do they put you on progesterone or as it is mild ivf, do you just carry on as if it is a normal cycle?

lisa - i don?t think i can take sick leave as i presume that would involve me coming clean. I just don?t know how i would approach the directors in my office about ivf. They are old fuddy duddy types and it?s such a small office. The MD often takes people in to his office if they are 10mins late. I?m overly conscientious as well so feel bad even asking for holiday...weird i know! I have only ever taken 1 sick day in 3 years and that was for my m/c. I think it?s because it?s such a small business ? if i was in a larger corporation, i would find it easier.

euro - great that you are gearing up for your first iui. Best of luck on Monday. Are they going to give you progesterone suppositories to support your LP or am I thinking it?s someone else who has a short LP. I?m getting in a muddle with everyone. You do know a lot of people doing ivf. Has this friend who has been trying for 3 years got any kids already?

frannie - i?m sorry about af turning up on your birthday. I think being slightly inebriated is the best way to find out about af actually ? alcohol is a great anaesthetic and dims the pain effectively. I totally understand the cross feeling. I have been feeling the same but I would describe my feelings more anger than cross! In fact I have been plotting angry letters in my head that I want to send to various people in the medical profession ? once i have a baby of course--...my ex gynae, my gp are at the top of my list so far. . I want to tell them that they need to sort out the way they help people with unexplained infertility and tell them what i think of their bedside manner. In fact i will start mentally plotting one for the West Sussex consultant who dismissed pout. I still can?t believe how dismissive that one was. Anyway the upshot is i find it ever so slightly therapeutic!

philbee - it?s difficult to know how i would feel if i was struggling for my 2nd. I always said I would never put myself through ivf if i had a problem and here I am 2 years later signing up for just that. I think you have to weigh up the effect it is having on you and your family as it can be a huge strain. I will definitely go through a lot before i give up but i?m trying for my 1st and even though i know it will put a huge stress on me, I know not even having one child will be a bigger strain on dh and me.

nelly - blurrrrgh to AF> and sorry it?s your 24th, it?s a hard thing to take on board. I must be on about cycle 29 ? for most people that would have amount to about 20 babies by now.

lemon - i found iui knackering as well. It?s the emotional stress more than anything else. I am glad you are feeling better though.

I had a day 21 progesterone test today. The results get sent to my acupuncturist. I wonder whether they have gone down since last year. Acupuncturist said that the NHS look for signs of ovulation hence why their ?normal? levels are quite low. Mine were 30 last year and he says he like to see above 50, my gynae wanted above 40...i don?t know why my levels are always so low.

Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend.

Hello lovely ladies. Please may I join you?

I'm 32, and have been ttc since coming off the pill at the end of April 2011, but my periods never returned and so in November I trotted to the doctor, who sent me for an ultrasound that showed cysts on my ovaries.

I took progesterone to induce a period, then Clomid... then more progesterone to induce another period as the first round of Clomid at 50mg didn't work... and then yet more progesterone as the second round of Clomid at 100mg didn't work either.

I'm now on my third round of Clomid, this time at 150mg. So even though I have been swi for a year, I have yet to ovulate. The doctor says if this round doesn't work, he'll refer me on to a specialist, and as my temps are all over the place, I think that's probably what's next on the cards.

I am trying to stay chipper but feel like I may be in for the long haul, and would love to join such a nice group of people who are dealing with the same disheartening crap.

Holy crap, I've missed so much! I have to rush to my reflexology sesh in a mo (this ritual replaces Friday after work at the pub - I am sober 4 wks on Sunday - bloody miracle if you ask me). Congrats kitty - fab news! Loving your comments Frannie re SATC, believe me there is so much more drama in this household than randomly splurging unfairs and I wants etc (I'm highly strung enough without hormone problems - princess by name, princess by nature!!!) and I hope you had a really fab birthday :-) too. Re: complaining, the -bitch- doctor who made the God comment was in the Isle of Man where my 'rents live and whilst her views do not represent all people of the IOM there are some fairly backward/1950s people living there. I didn't complain, partly because I wasn't surprised and partly because I was too distraught and spent a week hoping I still had a baby in me because she didn't bother to do any blood tests and said to go home and put my feet up. Fat lot of use that was! Sorry so many are feeling down, my positivity has been blighted by the biggest build up of PMS (at least I hope it's PMS and not another low prog symptom) which is always accompanied by anxiety and resulted in the mother of all panic attacks the other day (set off a quote we received for a new limecrete floor - things are getting strange and ridiculous in our household). I've been trying to be kind to myself and keep perky but I've been in a very strange place and feeling quite spaced out / anxious / teary etc Also crapping myself about them finding potential babyblockers next week. Right, I really must dash. Love to you all. I'll catch up properly over the weekend. xxxx

joyce can't you just pretend tat you have delhi belly ??? I know you said you have a small office but do have occupational health dept you can go see, I know I didn't have to put down in detail the reason why I was off (although everyone knew) I could be quite vague with info. I just don't think its fair that you have to use your AL.

critter welcome and I hope it all works for you this month :)

nelly and frannie sorry af showed up

philbee mr nickers and I had a chat after my second miscarriage, I said at the time 6 miscarriages would be my limit wtf I think 2 more is realistic and if I'm not pregnant by the time I'm 42 then we'll call it a day. Athough last week when I spat the dummy I said I didn't to try anymore, I'd had enough. I feel quite calm about it and feel we would survive as a childless couple but thats how I feel now

thank you lurkers for your stories

princess big hugs

teu I would happily send you british Marmite mr nickers hates the kiwi stuff

beryl yay for the exchange going through :)

Well I had a very tiny bit of spotting late last night which freaked me out as I'm on CD22 wondering if I need to up my progesterone. It feels really heavy inside like AF is imminent a whole week too early. I called the GP surgery and they said my blood results were normal, what the hell is normal??? Anyway going to GP on Wednesday to see about a hysteroscopy on the NHS so will ask her more about the tests. Hope you all have something nice planned for the weekend, we are finishing off the kitchen tiles

waves x

Loves Here's my story. Had dd1 in 2008 and then got preg again 2010 but mc. Well tech, I didn't MC, baby just stopped growing at 8wks and heart stopped, but he or she hung in there for another 4 wks without showing me any symptoms at all that anything was wrong. Hardest thing to know you've carried your dead baby around for 4 wks and didn't know. Stupid but I still feel very guilty about that. Found out at my 12 wks scan and elected for an EPRC or what used to be known as a DC. Then started trying straight away, but periods were anything from 40 to 80 days apart, very heavy and very painful.
Went in to see GP (she was visiting the surgery at the time and didn't really know the routine) so she referred me immediately. This was in May 2011. So the consultant in November and had a scan at the first appt which showed polycystic ovaries, 13+ on each ovary. Was offered Diathermy operation straight away and accepted. Consultant also suspected endometriosis.
Had the operation on the 5th of March and started temping for the first time as well as peeing on the OPKs. Ovulated around CD 24 according to chart. We dtd on ovulation and -2, -3 and -5 days before ovulation. I read somewhere that -1 is the best day but DH was too tired by then.
Now heres the icky bit. I put a little cushion under my hips for a short while afterwards, to tilt them up and ensure every bit stays in. Also we tend to mix up positions a bit. TBH I think this just gave us a sense that we were actively doing something, I don't really think it makes any diff.
Apart from preg vitamins, I din't take or try anything else. DH occasionally takes a multivitamin but he often forgets.
Hope some of this helps. Fx for everyone on this thread. I really hope you all get that positive very soon.

whatmess can I ask, did you have blood tests before the drilling and did they show you were ovulating, or not? also, any reason they went for drilling in your case rather than clomid?

Oh poo nelly about af. And I'm sorry it's your 24th. That would right piss me off too. But its just numbers. And every month that sperm and egg might hit it off. Loves to you.

thanks everyone who's updated about how it all happened. Please don't feel you can't post here. I for one, should the magic finger ever lose his grudge against me, will continue to post here with my ongoing worries and frets and to stay within the comforts and company of my lovely 10 plussers. I am hoping that a) this happens b) some of you are still here! And c) no one minds. But pipe dreams pipe dreams.

frannie how do periods find our birthdays. I was greeted on my 35th with mine I think. Or spotting. But I do remember sitting in my dressing gown with my presents weeping! Yay! It also found my honeymoon and practically every holiday since ttc. But, belated happy birthday anyway. Welcome to 35. I can't say I've loved it BUT! We are not that old in the grand scheme of things.

joycep could you say you had to have a laparoscopy? And get your gp to sign you off with gynae issues? My sick note said gynae procedure. I really think you could do with holiday too. But I'm not averse to white lies and understand if that would make you feel uncomfortable, working in a small place must make it feel more noticed.

lemon

pout oh how typical that af would get in the way. My consultant didn't care if I had my period. How annoying that hospitals are different. But I think I would have cared quite a lot. Although (and sorry tmi) I woke up wearing a kind of nappy to what looked like a period even though it was cd 14. but it wasn't crampy. Oh the dignities. But then, childbirth would no doubt make it all pale into insignificance. Also, im sure the drugs won't tip things out too much. Do pm if you want any lap questions answered.

Oo I'm on the phone now so will toddle off but positive thought to your lovely easter embies gin and waves to you all x

Hi there, sorry not to reply to you all, not keeping up at all, but just to reply to Joycep yes had a lap as they suspected endo due to recurrent mid cycle bleeding (well they didn't have a clue really but just kept putting me through more tests to try to work out what it was), but they didn't find anything.

I didn't see the story about Pout's West Sussex consultant - wonder if it was the same one i saw once who told me i had 1 blocked tube - when i asked him more questions about why it was blocked and what this would mean etc etc, he told me not to worry about it as 'that's why god in his infinite wisdom created 2 tubes'

wine my period also arrived on my 35th birthday. I remember it well because it marked the end of our first month of proper trying.

Welcome Critter. I'm sorry you find yourself here but I hope you find some support here. The good news for you is that women who don't ovulate tend to find a lot of success with Clomid and/or ovarian drilling. Once they start laying eggs they seem to get duffed very quickly. So once they find the right treatment, your situation is eminently treatable. I don't know if you have found it yet, but the Verity website has lots of useful info on PCOS and good forums.

We have just had what is probably our last swi for this cycle as Mr euro needs to "rest" for a day or two before the IUI (making our best guess as to when it will take place). We were discussing earlier that IUI is the ultimate in outsourcing - "I can't be bothered to spaff in my wife. Here's the goods. Please deal!" You've got to laugh I guess.

Minipie All blood tests were normal except for progesterone which was inconclusive, but the consultant was adamant that I was not ovulating. She based this on the irregular, long cycles. I think her words were, " you're can't be ovulating with 48+ day cycles".
What she explained was that although I would get +ive OPKs this just showed that I was having an LH surge and did not mean ovulation would follow. The periods I eventually had came only because the lining of my womb got so thick it couldn't sustain itself any longer and would breakdown in the form of a period.