TTC/ pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 3

[freelancegirl]

For those who are TTC/pregnant undergoing immunotherapy treatment. Current list as it stands, do feel free to come and join us, it's moving quickly round here!:

Tuesday 22nd November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from November (BFP cycle one but mc)
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting first appointment (in Nov)/ov expected 28-30 Nov.
BFPSeeker

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+3 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+1 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 16+1 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+3 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 12+6 anomaly scan Jan

1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+4 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+1 Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 4+6 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 4+5 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 4+5 Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+4. Scan 3/12.

choccy just wondered who told you to double up the cyclogest and whether you were told to continue the aspirin when you were bleeding? I am still waiting to hear from local EPU but I wondered whether I should be seeking any advice from Dr S's office in the meantime.

Ari, Pred (even at 25mg) gives me the really bad shakes and makes me feel dizzy too. After 7 months on it, I still can't work out how to counteract it.

Scooter, sorry you've woken up bleeding. I hope you get in to EPU soon and find out what's going on. Fingers crossed for you that all is ok.

Choccy glad to hear things have settled with you. I hope it stays that way.

Iggi, I will echo what everyone else has said. I've always heard that dopplers can cause more worry than reassurance at your stage, especially in the hands of someone who's never used one before. I don't know if your GP surgery has an ante natal clinic at all but you could see if they have a doppler there. MY GP, who is head of the ante natal clinic at my surgery, told me that when I get pregnant I will be welcome to come in and see him and his doppler any time I feel I need to. Might be worth asking?

Snoopy sorry to hear of your BFN. I know how frustrating it is.

It looks like I'll be joining you on the "Waiting to Ovulate" section again too. Woke up with period pains on and off for a couple of hours and then signs of starting, although not in actual flow yet. I don't think this is implantation cramps/spotting. My body has decided it's now on a 25 day cycle, which means that if I did ovulate within 24 hours of my positive OPK my luteal phase is maximum 10 days. That can't be good can it?

I did say to Duggs in our PM conversation that I would be almost relieved if I wasn't pregnant because I have so much other stuff on my mind but, in the cold light of day, that's not really true. I'm pretty fed up and despondent about it. I've never had to wait a year between pregnancies before. Bollocks!

Oh Scooter, Sorry you're going through this. I hope the EPU see you quickly and are able to put your mind at rest. You must be frantic.

Iggi - How are things with you today?

Kittens - Sorry to hear you've got your period and you're feeling down. Even though you know in your head that you've got loads on your plate at the moment and it would be another thing to worry about, I'm sure it doesn't make it any easier to deal with.

Lemonsherbet - I second Ari that Mr S didn't seem to think my age (43 at the time) was an issue really. He said that my eggs couldn't be that bad as I was managing to get pregnant. Good luck with your first appointment. I think the general feeling is that while getting a diagnosis can be a bit daunting, having a concrete plan of action rather than the usual fobbing off feels very reassuring.

Well I've stayed home today as I've still got a stinking cold and feel completely wiped out. I've actually been doing school work since around 8.30 and will carry on for a few more hours, but that doesn't stop me feeling horribly guilty about not going in and actually teaching. I very rarely take time off but have had about 4 unavoidable pregnancy-related hospital appointments recently which have taken me out of work and, as I only work part time, I really feel bad. Ridiculous really as I work extra hours every bloody weekend and often in the evenings!

Right iggi I'm booking myself in for hot stone massage!! Can be Oh present to me! Never had one before, it's looks interesting. Also going to start temping this month will have to read up on it. I have a BBT in drawer that's never been used so will have a go at that. It seems the most accurate way to see when you actually OV. Also might try the acupunture too if I can afford it.
I have also just walked 4 miles with Mum this morning to try and get some pred weight off.
ari i was a bit shaky with pred but obvioulsy wasn't the high dose. Kind of like shreaded nerves feeling with me and a bit heart racing every now and then. But boy did it make me confused/thick!!

Louise advised doubling up the cyclogest. No advice to stop aspirin whilst spotting/bleeding so I've kept going. She said it would be ok to keep on double dose til I see Mr S on Sat but if I stay clear I might reduce again. No point building up tolerance or something in case I need to up it again I guess.

Where can I buy prune juice Ari? Couldn't find any on Tesco online is it a health food shop kinda thing? I do have some actual prunes I think tho am slightly nervous of the correct dosage(!) as I remember I think Iggi finding the juice was pretty effective rather quickly...

choccy Tesco's sells it (I just did a quick search on their online groceries site, it's there, 1L for £1.10), Sains sell it, and Waitrose - I suspect all supermarkets do? I just drink (force-drink, the stuff's disgusting) a glass first thing in the morning, actually take my pred with it because it vaguely disguises the taste. Does the job for me :)

Choccy you can find prune juice in most supermarkets, although usually they are in the long life juice section rather than the fresh juices. I tend to find somewhere between 6-9 prunes will do the job for me. Apples are supposed to be quite effective too, as are pears.

Ah I was looking in the fresh juice section. Wow you girls know how to get things moving thanks for the info!! Have to confess to feeling a little lighter suddenly though - Must've been all the talk...

Btw Ari I just had a rather light headed few minutes too. Maybe empty stomach but thought I'd mention.

Choccy I couldn't find any either, I bought a tin of prunes and drank the juice! I also added a good dose of innocent smoothie into the mix.

So sorry to read your post scooter u must be frantic but as all the wise ladies say this doesn't necessarily spell the end. Everything crossed for u here hunni xxx

Welling been MW and had blood taken and have to wait until FRIDAY fir the results , what is this 1922????

She reckons u could have obstetric cholestasis so obv I've been on the net and diagnosed myself as having it !! Thing is I can cope if I have it as I can be treated, it's the not knowing eitherway that's upsetting me, have cried since 10.30

Sorry for rubbish spelling and grammar

Any news from Scooter? We are all thinking of you. A friend on another thread had a big bleed in the middle of the night the other night but all was fine at the scan and no reason given for it.

I have news of spotting too ? am gutted. It?s just a bit of pink in the ?fall out? from Cyclogest at the moment but obviously none of us see this as a particularly good sign. I feel especially shit today too ? sickish and tired. Had a crap night?s sleep ? awake until around 4am and when I did finally sleep had vivid dreams about bad scans. No cramping or anything yet, so I guess that is one thing. But I have never had spotting before that hasn?t then led on to full on bleeding and miscarriage. Although at 5.6 today (I seem to have gained a day on the list) this is the earliest I have ever had any spotting. Sigh.

Wonder if like you Choccy I should call Louise and see whether I should go into an extra Cyclogest.

Welcome back Lemon! Looking forward to your appointment and hopefully you will be joining us properly in this calm place to discuss all the madness.

Stogan I will look up that condition later, but I did see a thread on the pregnancy boards about people itching too, not sure if you have seen it?

Sorry for lack of direct chat with everyone. Am off to get a luxury manicure - it's an hour and 15 mins for £23, so I thought was a really good deal. I feel really ropey all round and I thought it would cheer me up to at least have better looking hands!

Speak later xx

also lurking for scooter

stogan I think I read that itchy feet can be a symptom of OC, but they will test your blood to check. I had horrendous itching a few weeks ago, which seems to have calmed down of it's own accord - had some blood taken to check for OC anyway and it was fine. I also remember having lots of itching when pg with DS - again went and had bloods taken and it was fine. The MW told me that the skin is the next organ that filters out toxins when your liver can't cope with all the pregnancy hormones. It sends all the toxins to your skin and you scratch them away. It's an amazing thing. Fingers crossed you'll be ok. I reckon if there's anything for you to worry about you'll hear before Friday.

kittens sorry it looks like you're out this cycle. I won't move you on the list just yet because at 10dpo cramps and spotting could well be implantation and I want to remain positive for you.

(((((hugs))))) to free too for spotting. So bloody difficult getting through these early weeks, we all know it could mean nothing, but we'd prefer not to have to think about it at all. You did say there was some SFF action over the weekend, perhaps this is a result of that. Have amended you on the list. I was two days out from the last one so assumed everyone else was.

Monday 28th November
TTC
Waiting to test

Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1 test 4 dec
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov 4th cycle of pred
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1 Test 10 Dec

Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
Suemays - V High NKC TTC#2.
eurochick - TTC#1 Awaiting NKC results/ov 28-30 Nov.
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
Hopefulfor2nd - High NKC TTC in New Year
BFPSeeker -
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, #2, ov 10th Dec ish

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 25+2 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 20+0 Due 16/04/12
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 17+0 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 14+2 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 13+5 anomaly scan Jan

1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 12+4 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 9+2 Due 01/07/12. Scan 8/12
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 5+6 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 5+5 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 5+5 Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 5+3 Scan 3/12

free Sorry to hear you're seeing a bit of spotting too, this early pg lark is just bldy rubbish, isn't it? A thought though - you say you've seen it in the "fall out" from the Cyclogest; without being personal (well, trying not to be!) are you using the visitor's entrance then? I read that using the front for Cyclogest can very often cause internal irritation and a little bleeding because of it; could you try switching to the tradesman's entrance instead and see if that solves the problem? Obviously Louise is the one to ask, but I just wondered? hugs and hope it sorts itself out really quickly!

I know I shouldn't but am lol-ing at tradesman's and visitor's entrance! Gotta larf or you'll cry, right?

And I should add on the earlier discussion, there's no S with or without I going on in the Ari household for at least the next 7 weeks, I can tell you! I was told at the start of my last pg that it wouldn't cause any problems, but I had a small amount of bleeding the couple of times we DTD during the early weeks of my first pg a year ago and it terrified me, so I'm afraid until either we get past the 12 week stage or I MC again we ain't doing nuthin' like that! Poor OH :)

That was my thought exactly digi, you gotta try to laugh or else go completely stark staring bonkers. Of course, I may be there already, it's a moot point.

Yeah I did s without i yesterday so I do hope that's it, but am not feeling confident. I wont be dping it again if this turns out to be just a scare. Ive never had just a scare of course hence the lack of pma. And yes, am using the visitors entrance! Maybe I should try the trade... I feel so bloody queasy and tired today too.

On the plus side I've discovered a great little treatment place and cafe in Greenwich Millenium village. Pretty sure none of you are local but it's all organic and Ayurvedic and really good prices.

Very, very common free, DTD causing a small amount of spotting/very light bleeding, in early pregnancy. Yeah, I Googled it last year, since it scared me, and while it definitely didn't cause my MC then, the fact that the only spotting I got (until my MC of course) was only the next day after DTD, after the second time it happened we didn't repeat the experiment. I'll have lots of PMA for you, then, it was the non-I S that caused it. Might not hurt to switch to the tradesman's anyway, for your own reassurance? Lord the things we discuss here! I decided right at the start to use that when I read it can cause irritation at the front, because of the aforementioned disposition to all things UTI. It's nowhere near as bad as I thought it might be, not dignified in any respect but nothing about this whole process is!

And btw, the serious queasiness? Very good sign, that :) It's a bugger about the tiredness, I'm with you on that, I keep waking up throughout the night, every single night, and it's knackering me out! Hang in there free, crossing fingers for you and choccy having a great scan on Sat.

Also still lurking for news from scooter, hoping all ok with you ..

free serious queasiness and tiredness are both good signs. I've never felt so tired as I have when pregnant. I'm not going to tell you to try not to worry about the pinkness, I know that's nigh on impossible. But I have my fingers crossed for you.

I am lol-ing at ari's comment about the "tradesmen's" following straight on from the S w/o I subject. I'm assuming you were referring to the cyclogest in that context but could so easily been misconstrued. Also lol-ing at the earlier post which I must've missed in cross posting this morning about "inappropriate happiness".

stogan, sorry to hear you're feeling miserable. I hope you can get some reassurance before friday.

digi I appreciate your optimism but I really do think it's game over today. I've had implantation feelings before and they were quite different to the cramps I've had today and the flow is starting to get going a bit now. It's all looking very familiar and, typically, it was the wipe just after POAS (+ve) that was red.

I have just taken decisive action and made an appointment to see Mr S privately at NLC with a view to super ovulation. If I wait for my NHS referral to go through it could be a few months, once all test results are back, before anything actually happens. This way I can have a shot and if it doesn't work I am still in the system with the NHS so might get another go.

Free hunni so sorry you've got it too. Keep an eye on it but it sounds like how mine started I do wonder if we Pred girls are particularly prone to spotting with the cyclogest and aspirin. Speak to Louise to set your mind at rest and so she can update your notes for Sat and I expect she'll say to go to two cyclogest a day ie every 12 hours or two at night.

On the timing this is pure conjecture but bear in mind that although your LMP was earlier than mine I ov'd a couple of days before you. That must have an impact on what is actually happening inside eg I might be further along hence spotting earlier if it's implantation bleeding for both of us. Hang on in there til you can have a look in Sat xx

Can we just get one thing straight.

1. Tradesman's best for cyclogest - for the reasons Ari gives. And it's fine. I think I just ignore the ick factor.
2. Visitor's best for swi/sff BUT I'm with Ari again and am far too scared esp after spotting to sff until at least 12 weeks. Poor dh indeed, its feast or famine, but luckily he's v understanding and tbh wouldn't be "interested" if he knew I wasnt completely up for it. Which I'm really not.

Probably best not get the choice of entrance/implement confused. That would only cause mess and discomfort for both parties.

What was it Ari said about inappropriate/random amusement?! Maybe I'm just hitting max madness in lead up to scan...? but hey you have to laugh don't you? :)

free what place is that? I'm pretty local to there.

I'm v amused by all this talk of tradesman and visitor entrances. I guess I have the cyclogest delights to come!

Hi sorry for lack of personals, just having such a difficult day. This is all a real shock as I thought if it was going wrong I would have had more warning. At least DH home now, horrible to come back to this though. Scan booked for 1.30pm 2moro, my GP phoned to check I was ok and now waiting for a call from St Helier's midwife team to ask about the cyclogest. It's just a day of waiting and dreading every time I go to the toilet because so far every time it's been worse and not tailing off. My only slim hope is this could be a breakthrough 'period' (it's around the time my second period would be due) and my body will remember it's pregnant at some point and sort itself out. I have heard stories about people having 'periods' all the way through pregnancy. Hope hope hope. But I know all the signs, cramps, headache, dark red blood not promising at all.

Oh scooter, crossing all fingers and toes that everything goes ok for you. I know all could well be ok, and I'm praying that it's so, but it must be terrible for you. It could well be a breakthrough 'period', you do hear of lots of women who have this around the time their period would have been due, but I know nothing much is going to reassure you until you see what's going on for yourself tomorrow.

Huge hugs to you, take good care of you and try to rest and take it easy until you have your scan tomorrow.