TTC/ pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 3

[freelancegirl]

For those who are TTC/pregnant undergoing immunotherapy treatment. Current list as it stands, do feel free to come and join us, it's moving quickly round here!:

Tuesday 22nd November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from November (BFP cycle one but mc)
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting first appointment (in Nov)/ov expected 28-30 Nov.
BFPSeeker

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+3 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+1 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 16+1 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+3 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 12+6 anomaly scan Jan

1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+4 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+1 Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 4+6 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 4+5 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 4+5 Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+4. Scan 3/12.

ari & choccy thinking of you today

free how long will your nan be in hospital for? Hope it's not too long.

hopeful well done on finding us again, this thread is moving super fast now! How did your appointment with Mr S go? Did you get your results?

snoopy yes, still could go either way at this stage, do you normally get early bfps or have you always waited till you are late to test?

coconut Good luck with selling, such a stressful thing to do. We're also slowly trying to declutter our house. Not because we're selling, just because our house is tiny and having a deadline like a due date has given me some focus in getting rid of all the crap that's been bothering me for some time.

stogan sorry to hear about heartburn, that can't be much fun. But funny how as much as we hate them, we're also grateful for these nasty symptoms.

scooter good luck tomorrow, what time's your scan? Will be lurking for good news.

brownie 12 weeks tomorrow! Is your scan on Monday with Mr S or the dating scan with the NHS?

Had a saucy dream last night...think I need to pounce on DH tonight, as this tends to put a stop to my subconsious from cheating on him!

Today's list:
Thursday 23rd November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.

Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting NKC results /ov expected 28-30 Nov.
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from January (BFP cycle one but mc)
Hopefulfor2nd - appt with Mr S 23/11
BFPSeeker -

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+5 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+3 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 16+3 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+5 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 13+1 anomaly scan Jan

1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+6 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+3 Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 5+1 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 5+0 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 5+0 Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+6. Scan 3/12.

Morning ladies, hope you're all doing great this sunny morning? coconut I admire your attempts at decluttering ... we had to do that just a few months ago, make our little house that we had way overgrown look something less than a hugely cluttered mess that no-one would want to buy. It's tough, but worth it in the end :)

snoopy definitely still in with a chance there, but you're right, that pred really does cause confusion. In the brain department, and in the symptom-spotting department too! You can't tell if it's pregnancy symptoms, or pred causing them, since they're much the same!

I have to say I'm feeling rather cheated myself here. I feel pregnant ... bbs tingling and more tender than usual, nausea coming and going, stretching-type aches in the lower regions ... but of course you can have all of those with just an empty sac, I know, and the progesterone can cause the symptoms by itself too. How unfair is it that the pregnancy sac can continue to grow - and produce hCG - even if there is no embryo nestled snugly within, giving all the appearances of an ongoing pregnancy even if there isn't one? I know I'm jumping the gun here, I haven't got my results through yet, but I'm still very certain that's what's happening. It's rubbish, but if that's what it is, then that's what it is. Just a mini-moan, really, that I feel pregnant even though I may not properly be, IYSWIM.

choccy how are you doing this morning? Feeling any better?

/waves to everyone

digi I have never done an early test only at just gone 4 weeks, so I don't know about that. Well done on your scan bet you are so happy.

ari just can't imagine the mind games/emotional torment your going through at moment. This bit is bad enough. everything crossed 4 you.x

i have those sort of things too Digi! I think it's the hormones. Dreams can be very vivid when pregnant can't they. I remember my dreams every night at the moment and they tend to stay with me for a while, affecting my mood for the early part of the day.

Good luck with the declutter coconut. DH and I live in two flats in different locations (go to Brighton on weekends) but have been selling one for a year. The sale fell through and it's back on the market so I know exactly what it is like having to try to look like you have a 'lifestyle' home all the time. A real PITA.

Ari maybe feeling pregnant is actually a good thing?! Every time I allow myself to feel something that is a potential pregnancy symptom though I always pass it off as probably being down to the meds. But realistically we must get some symptoms, after all - as unbelievable and possibly temporary as it feels we are at the moment pregnant.

snoopy I feel your frustration. I think I stopped testing as I was getting BFNs and then got a BFP on 14dpo. It was very faint though and I haven't tested again since. It sounds to me like you really are getting a lot of potentially pregnant symptoms!

I have had a bit of a wobble this morning, worrying about whether I am ever going to be mentally prepared to even have a baby! All this trying to have one, miscarrying and it all going wrong, and now I am actually thinking - will I even be happy with a baby?! I think being here on my own at nan's is not a good thing, too much time to think. Hopefully she is getting out of hospital in a couple of days as she is responding well to the treatment. I will work out later what I am going to do - whether will go back home for the weekend and come back when she gets out. I could really do with nipping back into my own life for the weekend having been away for so long. Starting to feel a bit displaced.

Duh it's Thursday 24th November today. Stoopid me.

free I think it's totally normal to wonder if we're doing the right thing. Despite the fact that I'm so happy to be pg and doing well with it I do occasionally think about how much disruption it's going to cause. DS is getting to be quite independent now...we even left him with MIL yesterday during the scan as he's much easier for other people to look after. I've got a great work/life balance with my 4 day week which I'm at risk of losing once I've finished my maternity leave. DS starts full-time school next year so childcare costs would have gone right down. But it's all going to get expensive again. And we only have a 2-bed house. But I'm going on too much about myself.
I think we spend so long trying to 'crack' this whole getting and staying pregnant business that you forget that it's all about having a baby and being responsible for it and when you suddenly remember that it's very daunting. As it should be.

Wise words Digi! A friend said something similar, she is pregnant after mc and was feeling really guilty for also now worrying about how having another child will affect her life. Because we are all focusing so hard on trying to get pregnant and stay pregnant we forget that we are of course allowed to have the exact same fears that anyone having a baby or adding the family is going to have! Yes I can imagine that it seems daunting for you too - just when DS is getting of an easier age to handle. But - we are all doing the right thing and ultimately I imagine that parenthood is a world of happiness that overall is worth the ups and downs. I think I will stop at one or two though personally :)

thanks free for the pma. There's hope yet then.

Digi is right we are so busy with all this crap that you don't have time to comprehend what you are doing actually having one and then it dawns on you one day. I may not be the most knowledgeble re this stage but I am on the having a child already front......and it's the best thing ever! And as every parent everywhere will say it's the hardest and the most testing thing you'll ever do but it's worth every bit of effort you are putting in and all the mentalling. Your little mini me will be funny, witty, gorgeous and you'll love them like nothing else. It's the most amazing adventure when you look back on it.
It may be a blessing in disguise as you can just read too much on coping with a child (Gina Ford book got slung in bin on day 3!). Looking back I would have stressed less just going with my instincts. And although it is a big change in your life you still do most of the stuff you did before. Just maybe not down pub as often. Me and OH used to stroll down the pub in summer with DS asleep while we had a sneaky G&T in pub garden and went away on holiday to Cyprus to see my friend when DS was 11 weeks. So life doesn't change too much I don't think.

Hi all... Thanks all for asking after me, the Pred thread support and team spirit is fantastic.

There's thankfully less "activity" today, though I did have a bit of a push last night/first thing when I got up iykwim. Not feeling crampy so far today either, though definitely feel something going on down there. Fingers crossed the spotting will go away and soon, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

I've been using the tradesman's so not sure the spotting can be explained by the cyclogest causing cervical erosion or vaginal irritation. Nothing would surprise me any more though! Maybe I'll ask Dr Google...

Snoopy I got a faint BFP on 14dpo, so I'd say keep testing. Day 14 of the Pred for me was the day before, so on the day I got the BFP I went up to 40 so didn't have a gap in the Pred. Maybe do one the day after your last Pred just in case you find a line. Good luck!!

I'm monitoring symptoms or rather lack of in my case, but refuse to let myself worry about it, it'd only make me feel worse. My bbs are less swollen than in the 2ww/ when I got my BFP, and aside from the nauseous evening last Thursday, I haven't had any ms symptoms, but then I graze throughout the day which I found last time I got anywhere helped prevent ickyness. Got the occasional cramping and back ache of course, and the general awareness of the area, as free described.

I do feel its pointless to worry about lack of symptoms, it's just another thing we can't know either way at the moment so what's the point. Anyway, we nearly double the amount of Pred we take on getting a bfp, so wouldn't it make sense for the increased Pred to cause another step up in the effects on our bodies, ie once the 40mg hits home and gives us even huger Mr Greedy tummy (I look about 4 months gone!) mightn't it also actually reduce the bbs??? Total theory here obv intended to help me feel better about boob shrinkage but thought I'd mention it (a) in case anyone else had had it and (b) to record it while I remember (brain really not functioning!).

Ooh, coconut you just reminded me - Mr S found a small fibroid when he scanned me when I got my test results. He wasn't worried about it, and it's outside the uterus wall apparently. Must Dr Google to see if that might be a possible cause of the spotting. The aspirin also can't help the tendency to bleed, and not stop, can it. I can't bring myself to go to the EPU having had a dreadful experience there with my mmc in March. DH and I were left sitting in a corridor waiting to see the gynae after the sonographer told me there was no hb and told me off for possibly getting my dates wrong as it was showing 8.2 but I should've been 9.0...I'd rather pay than go back there again. Anyway, I've only got a week or so until I see Mr S on the 3rd, which will be 6.2 so I feel ok waiting until then to check if anything is there and if so if its in the right place.

digi and Snoopy very good points. I know deep down I want a baby but at the same time I can't think in any definite terms about how life will be. Aside from to know it'll be fundamentally altered forever but undoubtedly for the better. I have only enough space in my head for dealing with the ttc/Pred/early weeks/possible early mc stage at the moment. The rest is nothing more than hopes and dreams.

I have the same worries about how on earth we're ever going to find time to fit in a second child, there just don't seem enough hours in the day. Equally I had no idea how on earth I was going to manage when I was pregnant with my DD, especially since I was on my own and working full-time with absolutely no support network of friends or family, but you know, it just happened - somehow, I managed. I don't think anyone can envisage exactly how an additional small person can fit into what probably already seems a very full life, but amazingly it just does seem to work. Take heart, those who are pg with your first, it WILL all work out alright. :)

As for Gina Ford ... grrrrrr don't get me started on her! I know some people swear by her methods but for me, they just seem downright cruel at times. I did read her book, and hated it with a passion! Actually I read most of the books (you're not surprised, any of you, right? :) ) and did actually find one woman who made complete and utter sense, and to a degree I did follow her suggestions. Instinct is of course always best - but with a first, it's hard to know whether instinct is good enough, sometimes!

Thanks all, I do feel a bit better now. Inspirational words Snoopy about becoming a parent. I realise that you do adjust to things. Oh and I also realise that worrying about children is really rather premature for me right now! But it IS the natural conclusion of all this ttc-ing, drug taking, miscarrying etc etc at some point, hopefully, so good to know you have all had similar reservations and that everyone will also work around these things.

It IS pointless to worry about lack of symptoms Choccy but I am here doing it too. Don't think I have had any so far today. My brain keeps saying - how can it be possible that everything is going ok and I am creating a baby down there and not feeling anything?! Who bloody knows. Where's that Womb CCTV when you need it. I think you are wise to stay away from EPU. I am going to this time too.

Gosh, it's going to be a week of going quietly mad for many of us on here isn't it. Building up to those terrifying scans and results. It's awful but if it is going wrong half of me wants to know as soon as possible so i can stop being in bloody limbo. I think I get so far with pregnancy and then start thinking I want a bloody drink. I want to go out and have wine and stay out late and be reckless and not be sitting here like a good girl, knackered, knicker checking, obsessive symptom spotting, having early nights and just waiting for something to go wrong. Seems like such a potential waste of time.

That's exactly how I feel free - if it's going wrong, I want to know about it now. Importantly for me too, I want to stop taking all these extra drugs. If they're not needed (as in, there's nothing they can do to help this time round), then I'd rather not be putting things into my body that I don't have to be. I'd also rather know sooner rather than later, rather than face the exact same miserable scenario at Christmas that I did this time last year. I really don't want two Christmasses in a row to be hell, and while another MC now will obviously be hard, at least if I know now, it won't be coming right on top of Christmas as it did last year and I'll have had a bit of time to come to terms with it. Last year we found out I think 4 days before Christmas, and I was MCing all over the Christmas and NY period. Really, really don't want that again this year.

urghhhhh.

Caught a pickpocketer with his hand in my coat pocket. The fucking cheek of it. Thankfully I cottoned on quite early and made a big noisy, sweary fuss and asked the staff at Eat (where I was trying to pay for my sandwich) to call the police, so he and his sidekick left. Was very shaken up afterwards, but came straight back to the office to tell everyone which made me feel better.

Just off the phone to the police to report it on the non-urgent line, 101, and apparently I should have called 999 while I was there. Even though he didn't take anything it is still Attempted Theft which is a crime, and they would have turned up within minutes to arrest him and/or take statements. Not that I had the presence of mind to do anything other than call DH and cry down the phone...but thought I should tell you ladies in case you're ever in that situation, or are nearby when it happens to someone else.

Bastards! you poor thing... hope your ok?

Oh no digi, are you ok? What a thoroughly cr@ppy thing to happen to you, thank goodness nothing was taken. It's a pity the staff at Eat didn't apprehend him and his mate - even if you'd called 999 by the time they'd arrived he and his mate would have gone. Presumably the police can still visit Eat and take statements from the staff?

Sit down and have a nice hot cuppa, you must be shaken up by it!

Am fine, thanks. Shaken at first, but feeling better for having told everyone here at the office and speaking to the police.
DH called EAT's head office and spoke to their head of security who immediately looked into it and they have got cctv footage of the two guys so when the police call round there's plenty of evidence.

Well thank goodness for that, I hope they track the buggers down and give them a good slap. They aren't likely to do much else, in my experience, but still, they should be given a damn good fright.

That's really shitty digi glad you're feeling ok though and good to know they didn't nick anything. Worthless little buggers.

Ari any news yet??

No - waiting for the call back from the surgery. I did at least get a really sympathetic receptionist this time, so I do at least feel confident she is actually trying to get me my result this time! Biting my nails like you wouldn't believe here .. expecting the worst, but still terrified :(

Whatever the news you're sure to feel better just for knowing... As you say, at least you will know a bit better where you are. Keep us posted. Hugs

Digi that's awful, long as ur ok tho that's the main thing x

Everything crossed for you Ari xxx

OMG I just got the call back, and my level at yest morning was 252. That's just a little more than doubled since Monday's level of 112. I'm in shock, I felt sure it wouldn't have risen enough. I know it's no guarantees of anything, I know it's still very early days, and I know the level is still quite low, but it did at least double and it's way, way better news than I was expecting! I know I could get shot down in flames come the scan on the 7th, but at least for now something has given my hCG a bit of a kick up the backside.

I'm in shock, and very afraid to hope ...

ari that's fantastic news!!! Please allow yourself to breath a sigh of relief and be happy for now. You can carry on mentalling tomorrow!