TTC for 10+ months, part 4

[eurochick]

Time for a new thread as the other one is just about full.

Fingers crossed for lots of patiently-awaited BFPs on this one!

Oh God, just realised I cross posted with wine and looks like I am angling for a gift or e-card, not at all, so sorry! Sending love and luck your way instead!

I think I've added the bold in again for names. There are a lot of us aren't there? We are the 1 in 6! It's interesting how many are unexplained when the stats suggest that unexplained only accounts for a third. nelly I've also realised that everyone who gets pregnant naturally after 12 months already has a child. There were a few first timers when this thread first started but that was when we were 6 months plus and I think they hadn't been trying more than a year.

ladygee if you don't feel ready then you're not ready. It all depends on whether you think a natural BFP is a realistic possibility. I know that for me it isn't very likely so if I could afford it I think I would have started straight away. But we have to save up, the plus side of this is that when we do go for it we will have been trying for over 2 years so I will know then that I have given it plenty of time.

joycep I'm sorry your third IUI got cancelled. She upped your dose this time didn't she? So, did she not predict this was going to happen?? How do you feel about multiples? I don't think I would use protection either, surely the sperm can't miss with 5 targets? I'll keep everything crossed for you.

biscuits have you had your 20 week scan? Do you know if you're having a boy or girl? Have you got a proper bump now?

I reckon Kate is upduffed too. And I think more than 6 weeks because 6 weeks would mean she only did a test 2 weeks ago so I'd doubt anyone but her and Will would know that early on. She's more likely 10 weeks. The last couple of photos I've seen she has been wearing looser flowing dresses and she's looked a bit peaky. Chances are she's not one of the 1 in 6, so I'd be really surprised if she isn't pregnant because why would they not be ttc? That's the whole point of her life now isn't it? Will was supposed to be going to the Falklands for 4 months but now he's only going for 6 weeks so I think that's because she'll be pregnant. Their pregnancy bothers me because we know she wouldn't have started trying until after the wedding (and I don't think until after they'd been to Canada) so we will know how long it took them and it's further confirmation of how it happens quickly for everyone else. I think they'll make an announcement at xmas time once they're sure everything is ok. I'm so happy I'm not in the UK so I don't have to see all the newspaper photos. Although it will be all over the internet too so I won't escape it! Did anyone read on the DM website that the red haired ex editor of the Sun (Rebekah ??) is having a baby using a surrogate, in the article is said they wanted to help people with infertility because they have been through all the pain of ttc for 5 years.

Thanks euro, joy, wine, mrsd - that all makes so much sense but I just didn't seem to be able to get there on my own, thank you. That?s the reason this thread is so great.

It's not so much that I'm competing or wanting to set deadlines - it's that I'm worried what my mental state will be when those things happen if I am/am not going through IVF.

But that's what you're saying I guess - there's no right or easy time to do it, only when you know you're ok with it and ready. In all honesty, I think we might need a couple of months to allow things to calm down a bit and get Christmas out of the way. I know now that, as soon as we are ready, we can just ring up and start so it's there as an option at any point and that's not going to disappear.

runner - thank you. I hope that?s how we?ll feel when we get there too ? I think you must forget, to an extent, how you got there and just concentrate on the baby you?re going to have.

joy hope you?re feeling ok? In some ways, I guess it?s a good sign that you have five eggs all raring to go. I agree that you?ve got more targets to hit ? I?d just go for it!

wine I was thinking about what people did before IVF and how long people must have tried for, I think you?re right that with time most people would get there eventually.

I?m impressed with your internet discipline too, wish I had some of that?

Hello runner, it's nice to hear from you. How are you doing? How long to go now? I understand what you mean, I know that once I do get pregnant I won't care how it happened.

Just to add to my stats. My dr just phoned with results of 2nd LH/FSH test apparently they are fine and she was suprised I had my clinic appt so quickly. She did try to tell me my day21 results which I already knew, I do wish Drs would read their screens properly lol.
We seem to defy statistics or is it just weve all come together in one place?

Gosh Runner - 35 weeks - good luck!!

I have indeed had my 20 week scan (was it MrsD who asked?). We haven't found out if it is a boy or girl - going for a surprise .

I do hope I didn't offend anyone earlier with my ramblings about going away with a ttc couple this weekend. .

I can't offer much advice for those contemplating IVF. I had pretty much resigned myself that that was where we would end up when the Clomid didn't work for us, so I was ok with the idea in principle, but had never had to put any specific timelines to it all iyswim? Therefore I was only just starting to consider the real implications of doing IVF. And I have to say it did scare me a bit! But I was also v v impatient so would probably have gone for it anyway . I had a huge issue (created in my head) about the the age difference for DS so I was v worried about each month that passed by. I had sort of thought that we might stop trying if the age gap was getting too big so I felt like we had a deadline looming (albeit of my own making )

Again, I hope that isn't insensitive or anything

Lots of love to you all xxx

Wow - look at all our stats! We are indeed the 1 in 6.
Wine - i'm slightly pissed off that iui has been cancelled but then again I am glad she is not irresponsible. I don't want her to risk it - I certainly don't want to be quintuplet mum! I'm not sure i agree with the 97% thing either but i wonder whether she was talking about her clients having treatment. I'll certainly be up for an e-card when i'm safely pregnant!

mrsd - Well, i guess there are more targets to hit but if it doesn't work that will jsut make me feel even more miserable that 5 eggs went to waste!

Talking of Rebekah Wade surrogacy. I was chatting to some gay friends (men) about this. They have started the process already and they said they hope to pregnant by next year. I was kind of like and at the thought of them even getting there before us. Anyway it's going to cost them £40,000 in ivf bills, expenses etc etc.

lady - it's probably a good idea to get christmas out of the way. I'm sure what your fitness is like and things but i think they say you should try and get fit and just try and get in to a good mental place before starting. I just had a chat with gynae about it before she ushered me out the door.

cakes - that's good everything is normal but it just adds to the confusion of all this doesn't it.

Gosh I go out to twilight for one night and look how busy it is, i'll have a catch up then add myself to the roll call.

Pixiepops Good look with the ironic BFP

Lemondrizzle Thanks for the respect, wrt the donor anonymity, we sort of though that if DHs sperm was any worse than it is, which it may progress to be, we wouldn't have a problem with using a sperm donor and think of the baby as mine and DHs so that helped us abit. If that makes sense?

Ladygee I found out about egg sharing as an option and so approached the clinic specifically about egg sharing rather than them asking me.

mrsden I would certainly be about a friend sending me a photo of her sideways bump. But then again most of my close friends know what we are going through so I don't think it would even cross there minds to do so.

I'm still on FB so still have to endure friends younger than me and who'v been in shorter relationships than me and DH announcing their great news. Most of the time i'm fine with it.

WRT frequency, with DHs sperm count being so low we were told every other/every third day, too often and there's not enough there, not often enough and it's all dead
The "lovely nurse" that we saw made the off hand comment that DH may not have any sperm left in a years time and so we should freeze some, so that always scares me when we have sex, that we're wasting it and it will run out quicker. I know it's not true. Stupid nurse.

I like the idea that if the thread fills quicker we'll get a BFP. Also going to have to set aside some time to read the spunk fritatta thread, inbetween shopping at aldi and asda waitrose.

It would be slightly annoying if KM is pregnant, in an i've been married longer sulky way I suppose the Royal Family could have had fertility tests pre wedding to ensure a heir would be possible

Citysnow welcome to the thread

ladygee It makes sense. In my situation i've just given in to IVF/ICSI, that that's our only chance. I didn't want to get het up with the very very minimal chance that it could happen naturally for us. But I don't know your situation and how much of a possibility it happening naturally is for you. I wanted to get started on IVF asap but that's just me. Sorry i'm rambling

There's so many posts! I'll read them and post after lunch because after being ill since monday, i'm finally hungry

The few posts I missed..

ladygee Scrap that, eurochick talks more sense than me

Joycep I like the TMI bit, maybe you should contribute that to the "What are panty liners for?" thread
Sorry your IUI got cancelled. If it was me i'd probably just not wear protection, but maybe i'm a bit reckless. It depends on whether you feel you could cope with multiples.

Runner Thanks for ppopping across, gives me hope.

Biscuits So exciting for your scan

I'm intrgued by Candy Anthony now, I can see the rest of my day being waster

Can't copy all those stats on phone,but now feel idiot for leaving it so long before seeking help. Ttc 30 months, me 34, dh 39. Thanks to pct rule change this summer ivf no longer an option as dh has a ds. Day 21 test looming, SA also pending. Evrrything regular and normal so no idea what problem is.

I'll add myself to the list, there's a lot of us!

wine ttc 12 months, me 34, nothing appears to be drastically wrong yet bar a 9.5 fsh that consultant thinks was done on wrong day. Mr wine 32, 7% morphology which seems to be a problem and not a problem depending on who we talk to.

nelly ttc 15 months, me 37, blood tests show nothing major wrong, no further tests done on me yet. OH 33, first SA all normal. Still not organised enough to get second set done, or indeed get round to further investigations. So unexplained so far.

Pixiepops ttc 12 months, me 35 - blood tests all ok apart from low amh so time is of the essence. Starting clomid next cycle, if no bfp after 4 cycles our consultant's going to refer us for ivf. DP's 36, his only SA was good.

Karbea ttc 13 months, me 37 - blood tests all ok, not further tests done yet. DP's 38 - 1 SA done results "average" (whatever that means). Going to ARGC on Monday! Yikes!

LemonDrizzle ttc 16 months, both 32; all tests done at 12 months: nothing wrong with me (except slight irregularity, but we are talking a range of 24-31 days, with most 26-28), DH's SA okay but low volume and possible (head) morphology issues - after deliberation they sent us home to try more. Next step is IUI in Feb, then IVF in summer/autumn. Debating whether I want intervention yet, because it took my parents 6 yrs.

Gin ttc 16 months. Me 33, DH 32. My 21 day blood tests all fine. DH's SA disastrous! Count of 3 mil, very few normal and crap morphology. Urologists appt in Dec.

cakes82 ttc 13 months, married 18months. Me 29, DH 28. (af irregular range of 22-43 most around 25-26) DH's SA satisfactory bloods all fine apart from LH/FSH get retest results today still think done on wrong day tho. Clinic appt 22nd Nov.

citysnow ttc 14 months. Me 35, DH 35. Irregular and longish cycles before accupuncture started in May (now about 30 days rather than 38-44) so trying to pretend it has only really been 6 months...All tests done and show nothing so we are unexplained. IUI due to start in Jan 12 (with clomid?!)

ladygee tcc 12 months. Me 29, DH 32. DH SA is below average on all counts (don't remember all the stats). HSG showed problems with my right tube. On IVF/ICSI NHS waiting list (13 months). Deciding when to take the plunge and self-fund IVF/ICSI.

euro ttc 12 months (now on cycle 13). Me 35, Husband 36. Married 14 months. My blood tests fine, although I only just scraped a reading of 30 to confirm ov. TV u/s fine. HSG - tubes all clear. Hubby's 2 SAs fine -some below average scores but on different factors across the 2 tests so the fertility clinic thought this was fine. Now awaiting NHS IVF and seeing a private consultant for immunology testing soon. Would like to discuss with him the possibility of less "drastic" treatment before IVF.

joycep ttc 19 months (22cyles). Me 32, DH 29. DH SA fine (7% morph). 1 m/c at 7wks 17months ago. I seem to be fine with a low AMH level for my age. Shortish LP. Tried Clomid for 2 months. Progesterone Suppostories. 2 x IUI cycles. 3rd IUI cancelled.

kitty 32, DH 33. TTC #1 for 15 months. DH's first SA showed poor morphology (2%). Second one count and morphology better (7%). As wine said, some people think that's fine and others not. Day 21 test done, confirmed ovulation (60). No other blood tests done yet; consultant deemed unnecessary as ov response so strong got my HSG next week. Next appointment in Feb and a could be a straight referral for ivf. Considering self funding a few iui cycles in the meantime if tubes clear though.

mrsden 30, DH 31. ttc 16 months (18 cycles). Tests show I have PCOS but think I ovulate most months but not all. DH has very low count and poor morphology. ICSI recommended, saving up to start summer 2012 and praying for a natural BFP in the meantime.

Fatima 25, DH 36. ttc 19months. Married 14 months. All my bloods and scan fine. DHs SA disastrous. 2 tests at 1 year. Self funding ICSI with egg share at private clinic, should start DR in Jan. DH has a SA with private clinic of 2mill but not great morph and motility. Had some frozen just incase.

Seems I am the baby of the group

WOW - loads of posts! I've read back, but can't remember everything to comment on.

Nelly I'm also trying for my first. I'm getting to the stage where I'm really worrying something is genuinely wrong with me and DH.

Karbea Have you thought about selling your dress on ebay with a reserve price? I bought my dress on there, though it had been worn before.

Welcome to the new people, I hope your stay here is short before your BFP.

My news is that AF came today, so no wedding night/honeymoon baby for us. I'm ok with it, I think I was resigned to it anyway, as I find it easier to deal with. Will post stats now.

wine ttc 12 months, me 34, nothing appears to be drastically wrong yet bar a 9.5 fsh that consultant thinks was done on wrong day. Mr wine 32, 7% morphology which seems to be a problem and not a problem depending on who we talk to.

nelly ttc 15 months, me 37, blood tests show nothing major wrong, no further tests done on me yet. OH 33, first SA all normal. Still not organised enough to get second set done, or indeed get round to further investigations. So unexplained so far.

Pixiepops ttc 12 months, me 35 - blood tests all ok apart from low amh so time is of the essence. Starting clomid next cycle, if no bfp after 4 cycles our consultant's going to refer us for ivf. DP's 36, his only SA was good.

Karbea ttc 13 months, me 37 - blood tests all ok, not further tests done yet. DP's 38 - 1 SA done results "average" (whatever that means). Going to ARGC on Monday! Yikes!

LemonDrizzle ttc 16 months, both 32; all tests done at 12 months: nothing wrong with me (except slight irregularity, but we are talking a range of 24-31 days, with most 26-28), DH's SA okay but low volume and possible (head) morphology issues - after deliberation they sent us home to try more. Next step is IUI in Feb, then IVF in summer/autumn. Debating whether I want intervention yet, because it took my parents 6 yrs.

Gin ttc 16 months. Me 33, DH 32. My 21 day blood tests all fine. DH's SA disastrous! Count of 3 mil, very few normal and crap morphology. Urologists appt in Dec.

cakes82 ttc 13 months, married 18months. Me 29, DH 28. (af irregular range of 22-43 most around 25-26) DH's SA satisfactory bloods all fine apart from LH/FSH get retest results today still think done on wrong day tho. Clinic appt 22nd Nov.

citysnow ttc 14 months. Me 35, DH 35. Irregular and longish cycles before accupuncture started in May (now about 30 days rather than 38-44) so trying to pretend it has only really been 6 months...All tests done and show nothing so we are unexplained. IUI due to start in Jan 12 (with clomid?!)

ladygee tcc 12 months. Me 29, DH 32. DH SA is below average on all counts (don't remember all the stats). HSG showed problems with my right tube. On IVF/ICSI NHS waiting list (13 months). Deciding when to take the plunge and self-fund IVF/ICSI.

euro ttc 12 months (now on cycle 13). Me 35, Husband 36. Married 14 months. My blood tests fine, although I only just scraped a reading of 30 to confirm ov. TV u/s fine. HSG - tubes all clear. Hubby's 2 SAs fine -some below average scores but on different factors across the 2 tests so the fertility clinic thought this was fine. Now awaiting NHS IVF and seeing a private consultant for immunology testing soon. Would like to discuss with him the possibility of less "drastic" treatment before IVF.

joycep ttc 19 months (22cyles). Me 32, DH 29. DH SA fine (7% morph). 1 m/c at 7wks 17months ago. I seem to be fine with a low AMH level for my age. Shortish LP. Tried Clomid for 2 months. Progesterone Suppostories. 2 x IUI cycles. 3rd IUI cancelled.

kitty 32, DH 33. TTC #1 for 15 months. DH's first SA showed poor morphology (2%). Second one count and morphology better (7%). As wine said, some people think that's fine and others not. Day 21 test done, confirmed ovulation (60). No other blood tests done yet; consultant deemed unnecessary as ov response so strong got my HSG next week. Next appointment in Feb and a could be a straight referral for ivf. Considering self funding a few iui cycles in the meantime if tubes clear though.

mrsden 30, DH 31. ttc 16 months (18 cycles). Tests show I have PCOS but think I ovulate most months but not all. DH has very low count and poor morphology. ICSI recommended, saving up to start summer 2012 and praying for a natural BFP in the meantime.

Fatima 25, DH 36. ttc 19months. Married 14 months. All my bloods and scan fine. DHs SA disastrous. 2 tests at 1 year. Self funding ICSI with egg share at private clinic, should start DR in Jan. DH has a SA with private clinic of 2mill but not great morph and motility. Had some frozen just incase.

seriouscaffeineaddict Ttc 30 months, me 34, dh 39. Thanks to pct rule change this summer ivf no longer an option as dh has a ds. Day 21 test looming, SA also pending. Evrrything regular and normal so no idea what problem is.

Stasi 30, DH 30. TTC#1 for 15 months (cycle 17). Day 3/21 bloods taken, but not got results. DH's SA form got, but not 'produced' or delivered. Planned for next week. Previous medical history could be a problem; as I had 6 months of chemo (Cap/Ox), but there are no studies available for their effect on fertility. Ov varies between days 14-18, LP from 9-13 days, and cycle length from 26-29 days.

Stasi - I'm so sorry about AF...and doubly sorry that it wasn't a honeymoon one. Also, I see you put some pictures up of yourself. Gorgeous wedding dress!!

Thanks, we've been doing some photo sharing on another thread to put some names to faces. I'm not too worried about someone I know finding me on here; I'd quite like to talk to them! I don't have any RL support, except for DH. He's sweet and caring and wonderful, but not the same as having a RL female friend, or you guys :)

Loving this roll call of the reproductively fucked challenged.

Have added myself to the bottom!

wine ttc 12 months, me 34, nothing appears to be drastically wrong yet bar a 9.5 fsh that consultant thinks was done on wrong day. Mr wine 32, 7% morphology which seems to be a problem and not a problem depending on who we talk to.

nelly ttc 15 months, me 37, blood tests show nothing major wrong, no further tests done on me yet. OH 33, first SA all normal. Still not organised enough to get second set done, or indeed get round to further investigations. So unexplained so far.

Pixiepops ttc 12 months, me 35 - blood tests all ok apart from low amh so time is of the essence. Starting clomid next cycle, if no bfp after 4 cycles our consultant's going to refer us for ivf. DP's 36, his only SA was good.

Karbea ttc 13 months, me 37 - blood tests all ok, not further tests done yet. DP's 38 - 1 SA done results "average" (whatever that means). Going to ARGC on Monday! Yikes!

LemonDrizzle ttc 16 months, both 32; all tests done at 12 months: nothing wrong with me (except slight irregularity, but we are talking a range of 24-31 days, with most 26-28), DH's SA okay but low volume and possible (head) morphology issues - after deliberation they sent us home to try more. Next step is IUI in Feb, then IVF in summer/autumn. Debating whether I want intervention yet, because it took my parents 6 yrs.

Gin ttc 16 months. Me 33, DH 32. My 21 day blood tests all fine. DH's SA disastrous! Count of 3 mil, very few normal and crap morphology. Urologists appt in Dec.

cakes82 ttc 13 months, married 18months. Me 29, DH 28. (af irregular range of 22-43 most around 25-26) DH's SA satisfactory bloods all fine apart from LH/FSH get retest results today still think done on wrong day tho. Clinic appt 22nd Nov.

citysnow ttc 14 months. Me 35, DH 35. Irregular and longish cycles before accupuncture started in May (now about 30 days rather than 38-44) so trying to pretend it has only really been 6 months...All tests done and show nothing so we are unexplained. IUI due to start in Jan 12 (with clomid?!)

ladygee tcc 12 months. Me 29, DH 32. DH SA is below average on all counts (don't remember all the stats). HSG showed problems with my right tube. On IVF/ICSI NHS waiting list (13 months). Deciding when to take the plunge and self-fund IVF/ICSI.

euro ttc 12 months (now on cycle 13). Me 35, Husband 36. Married 14 months. My blood tests fine, although I only just scraped a reading of 30 to confirm ov. TV u/s fine. HSG - tubes all clear. Hubby's 2 SAs fine -some below average scores but on different factors across the 2 tests so the fertility clinic thought this was fine. Now awaiting NHS IVF and seeing a private consultant for immunology testing soon. Would like to discuss with him the possibility of less "drastic" treatment before IVF.

joycep ttc 19 months (22cyles). Me 32, DH 29. DH SA fine (7% morph). 1 m/c at 7wks 17months ago. I seem to be fine with a low AMH level for my age. Shortish LP. Tried Clomid for 2 months. Progesterone Suppostories. 2 x IUI cycles. 3rd IUI cancelled.

kitty 32, DH 33. TTC #1 for 15 months. DH's first SA showed poor morphology (2%). Second one count and morphology better (7%). As wine said, some people think that's fine and others not. Day 21 test done, confirmed ovulation (60). No other blood tests done yet; consultant deemed unnecessary as ov response so strong got my HSG next week. Next appointment in Feb and a could be a straight referral for ivf. Considering self funding a few iui cycles in the meantime if tubes clear though.

mrsden 30, DH 31. ttc 16 months (18 cycles). Tests show I have PCOS but think I ovulate most months but not all. DH has very low count and poor morphology. ICSI recommended, saving up to start summer 2012 and praying for a natural BFP in the meantime.

MrsHY1/MrsFrittata 31. TTC 12 months. Have polycystic ovaries but normal bloods. Cycles vary but tend to be 30-35 days with late O (even with Clomid) at cd18-25. Short luteal phase of 9-11 days. 4 cycles of Clomid down, 2 to go. HSG next week (agh). OH's results normal.

stasi I've had a peek at your photos and you looked amazing! What a beautiful dress.

I'm sorry AF came and no honeymoon baby for you .

I'm off work today and the plan was to get the housework done but this thread is on fire and very distracting. Every time I think about getting the hoover out another post appears. Stop it ladies, please I really must do the housework!!

Go hoover mrsd and come back to chat more. I am loving the busy madness on the thread. And the crazy stats list. We are definitely the 1:6.

:( about AF, stasi and about the cancelled IUI, joycep. Although I would also go for the multiple!

fatima you are indeed the baby. Bless. And I can see your point about donor-sperm. But I had nightmares about having to do that when DH was really, really worried about his SA. If it all fails, I'd just like one of my sister's kids, please. They are fab. :)

Someone asked how people did it before IVF, and it was just trying, trying and trying more. My parents were one of those couples. And as I have confided in more people about our troubles, quite a few other mums of friends seem to have had similar issues. It is just that I would not cope for 6 years... And that I would preferably be below 35 for IVF, because it gives the best results (sorry, it is simply stats). Also what I found interesting is that people were not tested for anything before the 2yrs were up, about 10 yrs ago. It was considered normal to take upto 2yrs. That has changed because they can test for more things and there are some treatments, actually on offer, I think.

I am so impressed with your patience and perseverance serious, that is a Long Time...

i know what you mean mrsd - i'm so bored at work although i have plenty to do but i keep finding myself on here. Last check in now for oooh at least an hour or so...
All of us on the list above are trying to conceive #1 aren't we? It seems i've come top of the class for the first time in my life...trying the longest i see...actuallyt hat probably makes me bottom of the class...!

On the positive side of the coin:

I had a peak at your pics stasi and you are a gorgeous bride! Wow!! And a lovely dress too. Who is the cute little boy?

Nice to see runner I remember you (oops that means I've been reading here for more than 30 weeks ). And pout has simply disappeared, we wonder about her, and hope for a BFP as well.

Well done on good scans, biscuit.

Ooo stasi where are your pics?
sorry you didnt get a H-Moon baby :(

Un related question, anyone seen a good films lately I want to download something to watch tonight.

I'm obsessing slightly, thinking about the stats we all posted. I wanted to look back and see how many cycles I'd managed to time everything well on, and how many I "missed". Since I started tracking on my phone:

Nov - SWI CD8, 10, 12, 14, 18 - Ov CD14
Oct - SWI CD6, 13, 14, 15 - Ov CD16
Sep - SWI on CD 7, 10, 12, 14, 16 - Ov CD14/15
Aug - think well timed, but on holiday
Jul - SWI on CD7, 10, 12, 14, 16, 17, 18 - Ov CD18
Jun - SWI on CD15, 16, 17 - Ob on CD16
May - SWI on CD10, 12, 14, 15, 19 - Ov CD16
Apr - SWI on CD10, 12, 15 - Ov on CD17

My charts are always very neat, my temps will be around 36.5 before Ov, and 36.7 after. I take this as showing I do Ov every month (though read on a thread somewhere that apparently your temp can change without an egg popping...).

If DH and I were 'normal' can we really have tried all those months, with well timed SWI, and not got pg? :(

The absolutely GORGEOUS boy is my nephew, 3 years old this weekend. I love him to bits, as does everyone in the family. He's the first of his generation, my elder sister being the first to have kids (it was an 'accident').

The photographer was using my nephew to get the nicest smiles from me in the wedding photos. She said my eyes lit up every time I looked at him. Just typing that has made me start crying at my desk in work!!

Quick, distractions!

actually just to continue on from Lemon's post...i think the trouble (or not trouble) is now, we do have other options...unlike in the old days. We're so use to getting things on demand and ivf just adds to that feeling. And we say we wouldn't cope if we had to wait 6 years but that's because we don't have to wait that long. whereas before you had no option but to just continue on as normal. Lemon - does your mother say that she was in a panic about it for 6 years, is that all she thought about for that length of time?

40,000 people have ivf every year now...that is actually an extraordinary amount...if it wasn't available i do wonder how many of those people would actually go on to conceive naturally...i reckon quite a few.

stasi - i use to work things out like that on a piece of paper and mull over our stats but honestly it's not worth it, it makes for more obsessiveness! You can be quite easily 'normal' and it could still take more goes than this, that 's why fertility is odd. I also read that thing where you can get temp rises and still not pop but i expect that is highly unlikely tbh.

karbea - if you haven't seen already, i recommend Bridesmaids. Just the funniest thing i've see all year.