TTC for 10+ months, part 4

[eurochick]

Time for a new thread as the other one is just about full.

Fingers crossed for lots of patiently-awaited BFPs on this one!

Welcome cupcakes. I've seen you around on other threads on this forum. I am glad you have found us.

I am updating the list posted above as my entry is fairly different now.

wine ttc 12 months, me 34, nothing appears to be drastically wrong yet bar a 9.5 fsh that consultant thinks was done on wrong day. Mr wine 32, 7% morphology which seems to be a problem and not a problem depending on who we talk to.

nelly ttc 15 months, me 37, blood tests show nothing major wrong, no further tests done on me yet. OH 33, first SA all normal. Still not organised enough to get second set done, or indeed get round to further investigations. So unexplained so far.

Pixiepops ttc 12 months, me 35 - blood tests all ok apart from low amh so time is of the essence. Starting clomid next cycle, if no bfp after 4 cycles our consultant's going to refer us for ivf. DP's 36, his only SA was good.

Karbea ttc 13 months, me 37 - blood tests all ok, not further tests done yet. DP's 38 - 1 SA done results "average" (whatever that means). Going to ARGC on Monday! Yikes!

LemonDrizzle ttc 16 months, both 32; all tests done at 12 months: nothing wrong with me (except slight irregularity, but we are talking a range of 24-31 days, with most 26-28), DH's SA okay but low volume and possible (head) morphology issues - after deliberation they sent us home to try more. Next step is IUI in Feb, then IVF in summer/autumn. Debating whether I want intervention yet, because it took my parents 6 yrs.

Gin ttc 16 months. Me 33, DH 32. My 21 day blood tests all fine. DH's SA disastrous! Count of 3 mil, very few normal and crap morphology. Urologists appt in Dec.

cakes82 ttc 13 months, married 18months. Me 29, DH 28. (af irregular range of 22-43 most around 25-26) DH's SA satisfactory bloods all fine apart from LH/FSH get retest results today still think done on wrong day tho. Clinic appt 22nd Nov.

citysnow ttc 14 months. Me 35, DH 35. Irregular and longish cycles before accupuncture started in May (now about 30 days rather than 38-44) so trying to pretend it has only really been 6 months...All tests done and show nothing so we are unexplained. IUI due to start in Jan 12 (with clomid?!)

ladygee tcc 12 months. Me 29, DH 32. DH SA is below average on all counts (don't remember all the stats). HSG showed problems with my right tube. On IVF/ICSI NHS waiting list (13 months). Deciding when to take the plunge and self-fund IVF/ICSI.

euro ttc for around a year (now on cycle 14) and was casual with contraception for a couple of years before that. Me 35, Husband 36. Married 16 months. My blood tests fine, although I only just scraped a reading of 30 to confirm ov. TV u/s fine. HSG - tubes all clear. Hubby's 2 SAs fine -some below average scores but on different factors across the 2 tests so the fertility clinic thought this was fine. Officially diagnosed with "unexplained infertility". Now awaiting NHS IVF. In the meantime I am seeing a private gynae for immunology testing, which has found v high NK cells, so I am about to start immuno-suppressant treatment for that. He has also prescribed Letrozole and a HCG shot to give ovulation a boost and try to speed things up.

joycep ttc 19 months (22cyles). Me 32, DH 29. DH SA fine (7% morph). 1 m/c at 7wks 17months ago. I seem to be fine with a low AMH level for my age. Shortish LP. Tried Clomid for 2 months. Progesterone Suppostories. 2 x IUI cycles. 3rd IUI cancelled.

kitty 32, DH 33. TTC #1 for 15 months. DH's first SA showed poor morphology (2%). Second one count and morphology better (7%). As wine said, some people think that's fine and others not. Day 21 test done, confirmed ovulation (60). No other blood tests done yet; consultant deemed unnecessary as ov response so strong got my HSG next week. Next appointment in Feb and a could be a straight referral for ivf. Considering self funding a few iui cycles in the meantime if tubes clear though.

mrsden 30, DH 31. ttc 16 months (18 cycles). Tests show I have PCOS but think I ovulate most months but not all. DH has very low count and poor morphology. ICSI recommended, saving up to start summer 2012 and praying for a natural BFP in the meantime.

Fatima 25, DH 36. ttc 19months. Married 14 months. All my bloods and scan fine. DHs SA disastrous. 2 tests at 1 year. Self funding ICSI with egg share at private clinic, should start DR in Jan. DH has a SA with private clinic of 2mill but not great morph and motility. Had some frozen just incase.

seriouscaffeineaddict Ttc 30 months, me 34, dh 39. Thanks to pct rule change this summer ivf no longer an option as dh has a ds. Day 21 test looming, SA also pending. Evrrything regular and normal so no idea what problem is.

Stasi 30, DH 30. TTC#1 for 15 months (cycle 17). Day 3/21 bloods taken, but not got results. DH's SA form got, but not 'produced' or delivered. Planned for next week. Previous medical history could be a problem; as I had 6 months of chemo (Cap/Ox), but there are no studies available for their effect on fertility. Ov varies between days 14-18, LP from 9-13 days, and cycle length from 26-29 days.

MrsHY1/MrsFrittata 31. TTC 12 months. Have polycystic ovaries but normal bloods. Cycles vary but tend to be 30-35 days with late O (even with Clomid) at cd18-25. Short luteal phase of 9-11 days. 4 cycles of Clomid down, 2 to go. HSG next week (agh). OH's results normal.

izzybizzybuzzybees ttc#2 ME 27 DH 27 married for 3 years ttc #2 for 17 months but in that whole time I've only had 4 cycles! I have just been diagnosed pcos with right ovary covered in cysts, left not as bad. Cycles non existant really, currently cd 71. On metformin now, bmi is 35.6 but at ww and as long as is less than 35 at appt in Jan we will start clomid. everything normal with DH.

TheCake ttc#1 I'm 31 and DH is 32, we've been married for 16 months and ttc for 11 months with no hint of a bfp! My cycle varies from 28 to 33 days, my luteal phase is short but it has got to 11 days most recently which is better than the 9 it was. If I'm not pregnant by next year I will go to the docs. I'm healthy weight and fit- do yoga and run and my DH is too, however we both have stressful jobs and probably drink too much

Loup23 me 32, DH 42 (is he the oldest DH on here?!) ttc#1 for 11 months (m/c in Feb/March at 7 weeks) nothing since! Slightly late O but generally 32 day cycles and mid-cycle spotting stopped since accupuncture over 4 months. Blood tests in May all normal, repeating this month to make sure. DH has children from previous relationship so unlikely to be poor SA - hoping it's not alcohol related as we both drink way too much.....

Pout Me 36, DH 40, TTC#1. Think that I am in my 20th or 21st cycle (have tried to stop obsessing and slightly lost track of things in the hope that I could trick my stupid womb that I don't care!) Diagnosed with mild PCOS but seem to ovulate. Had ultrasound, bloodwork and HSG which were fine. DP had SA which wasn't as good as they would like but satisfactory. Referred and discharged by Consultant with unexplained infertility. The PCT has withdrawn IVF/IUI funding so was told to have privately funded IVF. Not a chance we can afford that before my ovaries shrivel up so am stuck in limbo.

Poppyjen ttc#2. I am 30, DH 29. DS1 conceived first cycle after coming off the pill which was a bit of a surprise after diagnosis of PCOS. 10 months ttc no2, and a miscarriage at 6 weeks back in May. Very long cycles with late ovulation (the earliest CD27 and latest CD36) and fairly short LP (11 days). Healthy weight, reasonably fit and healthy and trying to stay positive! Chemical pg last cycle. First appointment with consultant at private fertility clinic on Mon 28th Nov and suspect based on previous advice that Clomid will be prescribed. Until then I am taking Agnus Castus and VitB complex in the hope that this will kick my wayward cycle into touch!

Hello ladies

Welcome cupcakes (nice name by the way!) Our time scales are similar. We started TTC in August 2010 and started properly timing, OPKs etc in November 2010. So we?ve had a year of perfect timing . I?m sorry your journey has brought you here but it is a very friendly place and everyone is soooooo lovely.

nelly my BMI is around 18 and doesn?t vary that much. I think it is misleading though; I?m really not super skinny, in fact I am quite flabby round the middle and bum. It?s just that I have a very small frame. I?m pretty much 100% convinced that putting on some weight won?t make a blind bit of difference; but the acu lady was muttering about oestrogen levels and to be honest, I?m so fed up with all the shite things you are supposed to do/not do when you?re TTC, that I am hardly going to argue with someone who tells me to eat a few pies brazil nuts.

gin glad you have been having fun. I?ve had a hangover today. We met friends last night and I managed to do coping with a preg person. Was not too bad (thank god for CD 5 not CD 1) but I had to swiftly close down an awkward conversation about our situation and then proceeded to drink a LOT of wine

mrsd I am glad you are feeling festive and hope you have a great time back in the UK. I am feeling a lot less scroogey now, but I still CBA to put any decorations up and I think it might be a bit late now!

nelly re the tests, when we got DH?s they gave us a printout and the normal ranges were given for reference.

wine I think I am going to join you in a 'being good' blitz on the 1st Jan.

I have updated my stats too. Big wave to everyone, I hope the ladies who haven't posted for a while are doing ok.

wine ttc 12 months, me 34, nothing appears to be drastically wrong yet bar a 9.5 fsh that consultant thinks was done on wrong day. Mr wine 32, 7% morphology which seems to be a problem and not a problem depending on who we talk to.

nelly ttc 15 months, me 37, blood tests show nothing major wrong, no further tests done on me yet. OH 33, first SA all normal. Still not organised enough to get second set done, or indeed get round to further investigations. So unexplained so far.

Pixiepops ttc 12 months, me 35 - blood tests all ok apart from low amh so time is of the essence. Starting clomid next cycle, if no bfp after 4 cycles our consultant's going to refer us for ivf. DP's 36, his only SA was good.

Karbea ttc 13 months, me 37 - blood tests all ok, not further tests done yet. DP's 38 - 1 SA done results "average" (whatever that means). Going to ARGC on Monday! Yikes!

LemonDrizzle ttc 16 months, both 32; all tests done at 12 months: nothing wrong with me (except slight irregularity, but we are talking a range of 24-31 days, with most 26-28), DH's SA okay but low volume and possible (head) morphology issues - after deliberation they sent us home to try more. Next step is IUI in Feb, then IVF in summer/autumn. Debating whether I want intervention yet, because it took my parents 6 yrs.

Gin ttc 16 months. Me 33, DH 32. My 21 day blood tests all fine. DH's SA disastrous! Count of 3 mil, very few normal and crap morphology. Urologists appt in Dec.

cakes82 ttc 13 months, married 18months. Me 29, DH 28. (af irregular range of 22-43 most around 25-26) DH's SA satisfactory bloods all fine apart from LH/FSH get retest results today still think done on wrong day tho. Clinic appt 22nd Nov.

citysnow ttc 14 months. Me 35, DH 35. Irregular and longish cycles before accupuncture started in May (now about 30 days rather than 38-44) so trying to pretend it has only really been 6 months...All tests done and show nothing so we are unexplained. IUI due to start in Jan 12 (with clomid?!)

ladygee tcc 12 months. Me 29, DH 32. DH SA is below average on all counts (don't remember all the stats). HSG showed problems with my right tube. On IVF/ICSI NHS waiting list (13 months). Deciding when to take the plunge and self-fund IVF/ICSI.

euro ttc for around a year (now on cycle 14) and was casual with contraception for a couple of years before that. Me 35, Husband 36. Married 16 months. My blood tests fine, although I only just scraped a reading of 30 to confirm ov. TV u/s fine. HSG - tubes all clear. Hubby's 2 SAs fine -some below average scores but on different factors across the 2 tests so the fertility clinic thought this was fine. Officially diagnosed with "unexplained infertility". Now awaiting NHS IVF. In the meantime I am seeing a private gynae for immunology testing, which has found v high NK cells, so I am about to start immuno-suppressant treatment for that. He has also prescribed Letrozole and a HCG shot to give ovulation a boost and try to speed things up.

joycep ttc 19 months (22cyles). Me 32, DH 29. DH SA fine (7% morph). 1 m/c at 7wks 17months ago. I seem to be fine with a low AMH level for my age. Shortish LP. Tried Clomid for 2 months. Progesterone Suppostories. 2 x IUI cycles. 3rd IUI cancelled.

kitty 32, DH 34. TTC #1, on cycle 16. DH's first SA showed poor morphology (2%). Second one count and morphology better (7%). Third one morphology disastrous (

Reposting so I can update my info.

wine ttc 12 months, me 34, nothing appears to be drastically wrong yet bar a 9.5 fsh that consultant thinks was done on wrong day. Mr wine 32, 7% morphology which seems to be a problem and not a problem depending on who we talk to.

nelly ttc 15 months, me 37, blood tests show nothing major wrong, no further tests done on me yet. OH 33, first SA all normal. Still not organised enough to get second set done, or indeed get round to further investigations. So unexplained so far.

Pixiepops ttc 12 months, me 35 - blood tests all ok apart from low amh so time is of the essence. Starting clomid next cycle, if no bfp after 4 cycles our consultant's going to refer us for ivf. DP's 36, his only SA was good.

Karbea ttc 13 months, me 37 - blood tests all ok, not further tests done yet. DP's 38 - 1 SA done results "average" (whatever that means). Going to ARGC on Monday! Yikes!

LemonDrizzle ttc 16 months, both 32; all tests done at 12 months: nothing wrong with me (except slight irregularity, but we are talking a range of 24-31 days, with most 26-28), DH's SA okay but low volume and possible (head) morphology issues - after deliberation they sent us home to try more. Next step is IUI in Feb, then IVF in summer/autumn. Debating whether I want intervention yet, because it took my parents 6 yrs.

Gin ttc 16 months. Me 33, DH 32. My 21 day blood tests all fine. DH's SA disastrous! Count of 3 mil, very few normal and crap morphology. Urologists appt in Dec.

cakes82 ttc 14 months, married 19 months. Me 29, DH 28. (af irregular range of 22-43 most around 25-26) DH's SA satisfactory, bloods all fine apart from LH/FSH which is being redone day 3 of next cycle. HSG next cycle as long as appt free at right time. Depending on these test results it is likely diagnosis will be PCOS and be prescribed Clomid. See consultant Feb/March.

citysnow ttc 14 months. Me 35, DH 35. Irregular and longish cycles before accupuncture started in May (now about 30 days rather than 38-44) so trying to pretend it has only really been 6 months...All tests done and show nothing so we are unexplained. IUI due to start in Jan 12 (with clomid?!)

ladygee tcc 12 months. Me 29, DH 32. DH SA is below average on all counts (don't remember all the stats). HSG showed problems with my right tube. On IVF/ICSI NHS waiting list (13 months). Deciding when to take the plunge and self-fund IVF/ICSI.

euro ttc for around a year (now on cycle 14) and was casual with contraception for a couple of years before that. Me 35, Husband 36. Married 16 months. My blood tests fine, although I only just scraped a reading of 30 to confirm ov. TV u/s fine. HSG - tubes all clear. Hubby's 2 SAs fine -some below average scores but on different factors across the 2 tests so the fertility clinic thought this was fine. Officially diagnosed with "unexplained infertility". Now awaiting NHS IVF. In the meantime I am seeing a private gynae for immunology testing, which has found v high NK cells, so I am about to start immuno-suppressant treatment for that. He has also prescribed Letrozole and a HCG shot to give ovulation a boost and try to speed things up.

joycep ttc 19 months (22cyles). Me 32, DH 29. DH SA fine (7% morph). 1 m/c at 7wks 17months ago. I seem to be fine with a low AMH level for my age. Shortish LP. Tried Clomid for 2 months. Progesterone Suppostories. 2 x IUI cycles. 3rd IUI cancelled.

kitty 32, DH 34. TTC #1, on cycle 16. DH's first SA showed poor morphology (2%). Second one count and morphology better (7%). Third one morphology disastrous (

Struggling to keep up with everyones posts, so Hi hope your all ok and hangoversfrom christmas parties aren't too bad.

I went to the acu lady today. Had a conversation about striving to do everything. 'right' in terms of exercise food etc. She said an interesting thing about how in the western world, this is like perceiving the things we do to our bodies as a prescription - whereas it is about the mind and holistic whole body that is of equal importance. So, she said, a cake might do your body a whole lot more good than a bowl of brown rice, sometimes. She is so great and so helpful. She knows a lot about all things fertility and especially immunes, which is helpful. My plan is as such;

Get results of tubes and endo. If bad - get fit, save, get tested more, and ivf this summer.
If fine, then see what consultant suggests. Ideally I want to;
Carry on with acu and give it at least 4-5 more cycles to see if lap has spring cleaned my tubes.
Maybe maybe, try clomid and/or iui late spring.
If no joy, cough up for immune testing. Ivf in the summer.

But that is today. And I would like to feel like I gave it my best shot before ivf. I wish I was five years younger, I'd wait it out a lot longer.

Getting pregnant easily is a lot cheaper isn't it?!

Welcome back to the uk mrsden!

Yay for a hangover kitty and for surviving pregnant ladies and pregnant spanish inquisition.

Good luck with the sperms nelly

Welcome cupcakes

Thinking of you pout x

That sounds like a good plan wine. And interesting about your Acu's view on the holistic approach. I think as we've said before it's probably going to take more than cutting out Rocky Road from our diet (though on that point, it normally has Brazil nuts in them, which I leave out, but perhaps kitty that can be your gain-weight food of choice ). However, a balanced view can't be a bad thing. My personal philosophy is everything in moderation. So the only thing I have completely eradicated is contraception! I try to avoid ibuprofen if possible, have cut down my glass-of-wine a night habit (not very well evidenced by the last two Friday's binge drinking sessions and give no thought to what I eat. I'm rarely ill and have a mostly healthy diet anyway, so that's good enough for me. I will try some of the alternatives if I believe they aren't too preachy or otherwise restrictive. So I'm having a lemon and ginger tea tonight, but I happen to like them and it can't do any harm. I'm happy to warm myself up, whether or not it will cure a possibly cold uterus. I'd do acu or yoga. But I won't cut out peas because I like them .

Oh dear, now I fear I sound a bit preachy!

You'd also think, given the ridiculous experience of the last two cycles (first was super light spotting and an almost-late period, second was sludge gate which I am sure you all remember only too well ) that I'd have given up considering that this might be the month. Well apparently not, as at only 4DPO I have definite period style pains. I am fairly certain that if I went back and checked earlier posts that I'd discover this is not a new phenomenon, just not one I noticed when I wasn't so mental. But despite that, I am convinced they mean something even though I know they don't and I have officially lost the plot.

Oh dear

mrsd that's really interesting about the cftr mutation. I've had a bit of a google (and read some horribly scientific papers!!) and am wondering if this is what may be causing dh's issues. He certainly seems to have some of the symptoms carriers might have. We both go to see the urologist in feb, so will ask him about it. And welcome back to the uk and our crap weather!

nelly and Wine I totally agree about taking a balanced view. It's so easy to put ourselves under huge pressure with all the piss sticks, temping, what we're not supposed to eat etc, which can't help the stress that is long term ttc. I keep thinking about those people I see round where I live, who smoke, drink and eat MacDonalds not only whilst ttc but also whilst pregnant and who all seem to have 5 kids! Not that I'm bitter...

nelly fingers crossed for the SA results. My DH wouldn't even ring up for his 2nd test results. Turned out they were worse anyway.

wine your plan sounds good! I too keep thinking about how much cheaper it is to get pregnant 'normally'!

kitty well done on the hangover. I find wine helps me in such situations..

cupcake Welcome!

I can't remember who recommended the nigella's Christmas rocky road, but it's awesome! I've made a large batch and it's keeping me going through these final few pre-Xmas break days at work

My plane leaves in a few hours and DH is nagging at me to finish packing my bag but I just wanted to pop on here to wish you all the very best for Christmas. I really do hope that at least one of us on this thread gets an xmas BFP and that for the rest of us 2012 will be our year!!

Happy Christmas!!!!!!!!

Thanks for bumping up the stats everyone, I'm having computer problems at the moment so am mning on my phone. Will try to add myself on later.

Thanks for the welcome, it's so interesting reading all your stories. Although like Nelly said I'm sorry any of us are here.

Mrsden where do you live then if you don't mind me asking? Hope your flight is not too tedious, I hate waiting around at airports. Merry Christmas to everyone. Here is to lots of BFPs for 2012

I've never charted as I work a variety of day/night shifts so would not be able to accurately temp. I have used OPKs, just the cheap ones from eBay. I've never got a real positive on them, apparently most people don't. I am toying with trying some different OPKs if anyone has any recommendations?

I forgotten who said about their acupuncturist and the holistic approach (sorry can't read back). I think that's so interesting, I think everything in moderation is probably best. BUT as a crazy ttc person, I find myself cutting things out thinking this could be the one thing stopping my BFP. I think my new years resolution is going to be to get my life back to normal. Im still going to try to eat healthy, drink less and exercise more but it's for my own health not to get a BFP.

Wow I've nearly convinced myself thats what I want too!

I forgot to say that I spoke to my GP earlier. I got a letter this morning asking me to arrange a telephone consultation. I rang up and he fit me in before lunch. It was such a bizarre conversation. He didn't seem to know why we were having the phone call. He asked what I wanted, I said first i had been told to make an urgent appointment then I had a letter as well to make this appointment. He then tried to give me my day 21 results which I got in November! I directed him to the day 3 results which he said were normal. I brought up PCOS again which he outright refused to discuss.
I then said to him that I felt we had gone as far as we could with GP and now we needed to see a specialist. He surprisingly agreed straight away, he asked if my DH could give another SA as his last one had leaked at the lab & then he will refer us to a fertility specialist.

I really don't trust my GP at all, he actually told us both SA where fine now all of a sudden one was never analysed. I know how busy they get but surely he should have read back to our last appointment so he knew want he was talking about. Right rant over with!

Oh - Cupcakes - sorry to crash in on another thread, but you really are having a rotten time. Didn't quite realise. Thank goodness you are being referred to a specialist. Your NYs resolution and seeing someone who actually wants to help should make a big difference to getting that BFP. x

Cupcakes that is a rubbish service. Make sure he does refer you after the next SA.

I used the mega expensive clearblue digi ov tests and they worked really well for me - one episode of smiley faces once a month, usually for one day but occasionally for longer, and always a day to two before my ov twinges. I overlapped the with temping for a couple of months when I was getting to know my cycle and then just stuck to temping as my ov is actually pretty regular (consistently within a 3 day window) so I just make sure we dtd in the run up to that and them we relax a bit once my temps have risen.

Thanks Eurochick and Bean I'm going to chase that referral as soon as DH does his SA as I know realistically we could wait at least a few months for an appointment. Of course I'll keep hoping for an ironic BFP in the meanwhile

Euro it sounds like things are moving relatively swiftly for you and your DH from reading back on the thread.

I'm definately going to give the smiley face OPKs a go. I've been carefully noting twinges and ewcm for a while and recording them. It all seems to point to ovulation around day 16/17 for the past few months. Before that my cycle was more irregular and ovulation was on day 19 or later. I think maybe reducing drinking, improving diet and exercise plus vitamins have helped regulate my cycle. Anyway I just want to confirm I'm dtd at the right time. So when I get questioned by doctors about having sex the right way and doing it at the right time I can answer correctly.

cupcakes what rubbish service. You must be very frustrated but I'm glad you have pushed for a referral.

Hooray for mrsden coming to visit us

gin I have a feeling it was me who started the Rocky Road obsession. .

Busy at work. Still obsessing over ignoring ridiculous 5DPO grumbles. What are they???

nelly I hope the grumbles are something pleasing. It would be a lovely Xmas present and you have waited long enough. I maintain that it is statistically inevitable that a bfp graces this thread very soon. It could be you

I am gearing up for ovulation. I will be ovulating just as they poke a camera in my belly button. Poor egg. I hate wasting a cycle. Please, fertility gods, let there be some gunk in my tubes that gets all flushed out and may it fix things so that I can become fat and round in 2012. In fact, Santa, that is all I want this year.

Today I have made truffles. And wrapped presents. And been for a walk with dh. Happy days.

cupcakes grr about gp lameness.

I'm having a glass of wine tonight. I'm starting to feel nervous about Thursday. I can't wait til it's over.

Xmas hugs to everyone. Tomorrow is mince pies and gingerbread stuffing day. And I'm having my toenails painted in ruby slipper red

Just a quick post to say hi, i'll catch up tonight if I have chance a post properly later
Hope you're all looking forward to Christmas

nelly, I once had period-like grumbles at 3-5 dpo on my first Clomid cycle- always wondered if it might have signified something (unfortunately, period started as usual). Good luck!
Waves at everyone else, hugs to pout.
CD3 for me today and starting the first of my three final cycles of Clomid. If no BFP by the end of cycle 3, I'm cashing in my NHS-funded go at IVF.
But don't worry girls, no matter how miserable I get, I won't be sticking a frittata up my fanjo.
Merry Christmas all x

Nelly I have had grumbles around 5-10dpo on almost all my ttc cycles. On one at 7dpo they actually made me stop and draw breath but most months they are just like mild period cramps. I don't remember getting them before ttc but of course I wasnt obsessively symptom spotting like a crazy lady back then ...

Morning ladies. thank you for all your kind wishes, it means a lot. I'm back home now and spent yesterday with DP doing DIY on what was supposed to be our honeymoon Wedding didn't happen and am totally gutted but apparently we have a few weeks to re-book and won't lose our fee. Just a bit disappointed that it won't be a Xmas wedding now
My mum is how we thought she would be and working her way through the Sainsbury's wine aisle.

Anyway I have missed loads of posts!

kitty I'm sorry to read that you had a CD1 meltdown and I'm glad that you are feeling better now. I too am suffering the CBA's about the Christmas decorations. Most houses on our street are decked out with Xmas lights and we have a knackered old sofa at the front of ours waiting for the council to pick it up. Talk about lowering the tone. I suggested to DP that we wrap some fairy lights around it but he wasn't keen!

wine I love the sound of your accu lady. Endorsing cake over brown rice sounds good to me. What is gingerbread stuffing? I'm guessing you're not just shoving a Jamaican ginger cake up some turkey's behind.

LadyGee So you're another Monica too My sister won't let me forget that in one of our flats we had an ornamental sofa that nobody was allowed to sit on in case they messed up the throw and cushion arrangement. Maybe I'm just too uptight to conceive!
Scary stuff paying for your ICSI but reassuring I suppose that things are happening.

mrsd I hope thar your cold is getting better. Your consultant sounds lovely, a handwritten note was a lovely thing for her to have done. Have a good flight and a great Christmas!

Joycep Oh my flippin' God at the whole Tech and MN log thing!!! I panic about my sister using our PC and seeing MN come up on the Google search box and her hunting me down on here. To make you feel better I doubt he knew what MN is and he probably wouldn't understand what any of our posts mean't...preseed, frittatas, SWI.....clear as mud to any man. He probably just thinks that you are some Soviet spy who regularly meets people on park benches whispering how you're on CD1 and the snakes are in the pram.

Gin I'm glad that you are enjoying your Xmas festivities.

Hello Cupcakes. Your doctor doesn't exactly inspire confidence does he. It really is worrying.

MrsHy Please step away from the Frittata and all egg products

Nelly without wanting to ruin your symptom spotting, like euro says, I also have noticed mild period pain throughout the 2ww. In fact last night I had it and even said to DP how I thought my period had just started because it felt just like the start. Not sure whether period cramps are normal in the 2ww but hey you're not alone!

Lots of love and hugs to anyone I've missed.

Ah pout despite your troubles, you still made me with the image of snakes in a pram being whispered under breaths in Gorky Park!! So sorry about your wedding, and that your mum is suffering so much. If you are ready for a bright side though, a Jan wedding is at least something to cheer you up in what is traditionally a rather dull month.

But Boo to you all putting a dampener on my imaginary symptom spotting ! honestly, can't a girl dream?? Only kidding, but I'm still curious as to what it is, as we are clearly evidence enough it doesn't mean Pregnant. Is it the ovaries settling down again?

Just off phone to MiL raving about her pregnant daughter again. I honestly cannot bear the thought of it all over Christmas,especially as I'm anticipating spotting to start by then .

Oh by the way gingerbread stuffing is another Nigella genius invention. It's not far off stuffing a JGC up the turkey, and surely it adds to our Ginger intake too?! Was it wine who was making it? It's always on my Christmas menu too . Good luck by the way for the lap

pout I am sorry to hear that your wedding was called off and that your mum is having a tough time. A January wedding will be lovely though.

Sorry Nelly! I was trying to help. The first few months I had those cramps I really got my hopes up only to be disappointed. I think with me it might have been attempts to implant but who knows really.

Yikes about your MiL. That sounds awful. My MiL arrives tomorrow for SIX DAYS. I'll be off getting my dildocamming at the time so Mr euro is going to have a chat to her about what is going on to try to head off any insensitive comments. At least that means I don't need to hide the pregnancare or try to disguise the trigger shot injection in the fridge by keeping it in an empty egg box or something!

Hi nelly it is me that is gingerbread stuffing lap lady not long now. I get ovary pains at cd7, 14 ish and all the way to my period. But not period pains until 1-2 days before usually. I saw my egg on a scan once and the little cyst it lives in was pretty big - I think that causes pain as it shifts around for me. But I think that anything you don't normally get should be cause for a bit of interest and dare I say, excitement.

pout bums to not getting married but yay to being able to rebook and I agree that a January wedding will mean you always have something lovely to look forward to in the January slump. sorry to hear about your mum, what a hard time for her. Hope youre ok. I am another Monica! In a rather extreme way. I don't feel too bad about it actually as I think my tidy ordered ways are correct I warned dh on our first date that I was cut from this cloth. He isn't. But maybe that is a good thing. I do wonder at the similarities of the ttc 10 month gang quite often.

euro good luck on this cycle. I will keep my fingers crossed for you that this is the extra nudge that will do it.

Well today had my toenails polished. The lady asked what I was doing tomorrow so I said I was actually having a minor op. She said they might ask me to take my nail polish off I suspect she might be right. But anyway, the conversation turned to making babies and it took her 18 months of trying at the same age as me. Hurray for these stories. It makes me have faith that it can just take time. And our time will come.

I'm officially All Ready For Christmas. Bring on the anaesthetic!

Good luck with the festive Lap wine. I will send good vibes your way! Xx

Haha euro it's about time I had a bit of a reality check! My hobby horse is injured just now, so I have way too much free time to concentrate on imaginary pains grumbling on. Yip I really have no idea how I am going to cope over Christmas. When I saw SiL last weekend, I was subjected to "I'm so excited about Christmas, it's really all about the kids isn't it". Followed by "Husband couldn't believe it had happened so fast - he said I thought this was supposed to be difficult" and my personal favourite, being asked for advice on how I thought she should tell her friend she was pregnant, who had been trying for 7 months, for her second child . .

Sorry, bit of a rant there! Anyway you also have my sympathies - at least we can leave the iL's if it all gets a bit much, it's way worse having them at your house. Is Mr Euro going to be fully honest, or just hint a bit? I'm still not sure I want to discuss it with anyone about it

wine best of luck for tomorrow, and hooray for lovely painted toes (I really should do something about mine!) and I hope they don't have to take it off again. And lovely to hear another 18 months-ish success

There must be something in the air - I am sat here with wet toenails!

I'm not sure how much he is going to say to her. I don't really mind what he says. My parents know we are trying so it will just be evening up the score really.

Nelly how could she be so insensitive, when she knows someone who is going through the same thing? This is why I think being open with the MiL is better. There is less chance of her unintentionally making me cry that way!

wine they might remove a big toe's worth! Good luck for tomorrow. Thanks for the encouraging story. It is nice to hear that for some people it just takes a while, but it does happen!