July 2012 flight - continued...

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How gutted to log on and find that someone had beaten me to the 1000 post and I couldn't update on the old thread.

Particularly as I got my BFP last night!!! I'd had two BFNs last week and was expecting AF to arrive while on holiday but it never came... Got more and more convinced that I was pg (feeling a bit sick too) as the weekend went on and literally tested within 10 mins of arriving home. Poor DH was still unloading the car as I greeted him at the door with my pink line!

Very excited although a bit apprehensive too. Really want to tell everyone but obviously don't want to this early so am REALLY pleased I have all you lovely ladies on MN to share with.

I was too excited to do more than skim the last few pages on the last thread but did see there had been several other BFPs so congratulations to all those too!

Im so sorry for what you are going through Glimpers as all have said be kind to yourself! im so sorry its a hard thing to deal good news one minute then the worse thing not so long afterwards!
we are all her to support each other - i luv this thread!!!!! so glad we started these flights together!
P-S - namechange warning from mama5!!!!!!

tinkerbell - i know what you mean! my DH is exhaused after 10 days of SWI EOD and that's not even that much!! bless him!

glimpers - ditto to everyone elses comments.... glad you spoke to Dmum. she must be very young if she could be PG!!

Well i am feeling a bit despondent today. CD 26 and temperatures down this morning so feeling like i'm probabaly heading for BFN. I REALLy thought we'd done it this month and the only other time i have had that feeling is the month we did conceive (but lost the pregnancy).... i know it's not over till the witch shows but feel really sad about it.... I know there's worse things going on in the world and i do have it in perspective but it's still upsetting. On the plus side i will be hitting the wine this weekend - every cloud.

Good morning all. Well I am starting to hit the doubtful stage. Who do you guys remain optimistic each month? Seems the longer I try to conceive the more I worry. I must say at least once " what if I can never have kids?". Because we SWI about every day of my fertile time my DH is convinced this month I will be pregnant, but i just wish it was just that easy. In such a funk today. Sorry not the best way to start the day off.

ilove I think my DMum would be minted if she was as she'll be 70 in 2 weeks she had been feeling sicky on my behalf! Thank you ever so much for making me laugh though
Feeling a bit better this morning and the bleeding seems to be calming down, have called the docs though and my doctor is calling me back at some point this morning. Have taken the day off work and am planning on curling up on the sofa watching trashy daytime tv
count I second you on how fab this thread is. Do I assume we will stick on this one or will it be renamed?
blue did you come up with a cunning plan to get some action with DH?

Morning everyone :)

Glimpers glad you are starting to feel a little better!! Sofa day sounds like just what you need!! Hope the Dr can give you some kind words!!!

count love the name change are you back on line now?? We have missed you

blue hope you managed to jump DH :) I know what you mean, sometimes we can get a bit bogged down with how we are feeling and what is going on with our own bodies that we forget about the other factor required to make this work!! I just order DH to the bedroom, that seems to do the trick

berries what dpo are you?

CD18 here at the moment, temp rose a bit this morning, nothing major though, went from 36.11 yesterday to 36.23 today - a couple more rises and I will officially be in the 2ww (PLEASE!!!!!) so just holding onto the hope that my temp increases, it has been really low since Friday so have everything crossed, apart from those legs of course, need them for some SWI action tonight!

Just checking in ladies.

Glimpers glad you managed to stuff your face last night and talk to your mum about things - sounds like a good way of helping to deal with things. Hope things sort themselves out soon but it might not be a bad thing seeing the doc anyway - as moowoo said, at least if they have this on their records if you did have any problems further down the line thenthis would be on record.

egg and berries I too am hitting the doubtful stage :( Just don't feel any different. Hey ho, only time will tell - keeping my fingers firmly crossed for us all - it could happen right?! And if it doesn't this month then it will soon.

Hi bless - nice name :) - any luck on the tinternet front yet??

nope didn't get him to do some swi-ing, he had a training day today and just wanted to sleep.
I did have a little cry and said it was ok... :( but just couldn't tell him what I was thinking.
Hopefully I manage to convince him tonight...
we are having an extremely stressful time though, waiting for a moving date and money worries and DH needs to pass his last test to become a fully trained driving instructor.
I just think that unless you explain it explicitly to men they can't seem to understand that it is only a few days a month that you can actually get pregnant. If you don't, you have to wait another month to try

blue I know what you mean - my DP is raring to go with SWI when I'm in the 2WW but when it's ov time I kinda have to point out that it's time to get moving!!

Have you talked about cycles and general TTC stuff with him? I've pointed out a few facts to my DP but think I might do a full breakdown for him so he understands what's going on as I really don't think he's getting everything.

I think starting using my CBFM will help too as he can then see in front of him something saying that fertility is high and SWI is needed!

I guess it's understandable really as they will have had very different sex ed from us. Don't be disheartened - your DH probably just doesn't know exactly what's going on.

blue - i know what you mean, we had this when we first started and then had a big heart to heart about it and from then DH seemed to understand more. As i know roughly when i ov and have a reg cycle he agreed to be my sex slave for 10 days a month and he can have the other 20 'off'!! or just sex with no pressure!!

Mooley - i'm not sure how many DPO i am... I got my positive OPK on day 17 so i guess ov on 18/19? Today i am CD 26 so i guess i am 8 or 9 DPO? Does that sound about right? I looked back at my chart and every month on CD 27 my temperature drops a lot so i guess tomorrow i might have more of a clue.... Oh egg and loulou i know how you feel. In some ways i am pi**ed off with myself for even getting into the T bit of TTC as with DS it was so easy and i wonder if all this mumsnetting, CBFM, SS, EOD etc etc is in fact hindering rather than helping the process. Still, when i get to this point i know the wait will be over in a week and then i can know for sure and hit the bottle....!!!

glimpers - glad i made you laugh! a 70 yr old PG lady would be a bit much right??! although women in their 60s have babies by IVF these days but let's not get into that

berries I put you at about 7/8dpo - could have been an implantation dip!?! if it's back up tomorrow then could be very positive indeed!!

Is it wrong that I sometimes actually look forward to the 2ww? Looking at those temps, SSing etc it's the only time of the month where I can actually think that I may just be pg!! And for that short period of time i give myself some hope :) I'll be honest, I am not a big fan of this TTC lark; i mean, don't get me wrong, i do enjoy all the SWI, but after the first couple it does start to become more of a chore, a bit come on then, we have to get this done......think of little Henry (Henry being what we would call the bobba if it was a boy, DH is adamant!!) Maybe it's just me but there are more selfish reasons for me being desperate to be pg

hmmm - hadn't heard of an implantation dip and it's really nice of you to give me hope BUT i have always dipped every month around now :(

I HATE the 2WW... in fact i hate the whole TTC lark. it started off being quite exciting but now it's just upsetting! I did feel so positive this month but now that has well and truly vanished! ggrrrr.....

I start positive every fresh cycle berries so know exactly where you are coming from.

Yes, implantation dips are common, and occur anywhere from 7-10dpo normally. I think it basically happens when the eggy implants into the uterine wall, the hormones drop off for that day and then rise again and continue to rise! It is interesting that you always get that dip though!! Fx'd that it's not your normal dip this month though!!!

Been doing some research ladies.

DH did some half-arsed research after deciding he had low sperm count and announced he needs to eat bananas, walnuts and dark chocolate.

So I've done my own (proper) research, and have found some interesting supplement ideas that just may give us all the boost we need...

Bee pollen, apparently, is a bit epic. Improves sperm production, alleviates menstrual cramps, improves desire & energy for sex.
Royal jelly is cheaper. Nutrient rich, improves quality of sperm & eggs, helps with PMS, low oestrogen, irregular cycles. Study on male rabbits did marvellous things to their swimmers, including boosting volume of fluid, quality of sperm, and resulted in less dead/wonky sperm.
Agnus Castus (vitex) can normalise female sex hormones, lengthen luteal phase. A clinical study was performed, sixty-seven women with ovulatory/cycle problems were treated with vitex, which resulted in a ?marked improvement of progesterone levels during the luteal phase, earlier ovulation, and thirty-eight achieved pregnancies.? It's also on sale in Holland & Barrett at the mo! (online anyway).
Red raspberry leaf helps to tone & strengthen pelvic region, particularly uterine lining, thus lengthening luteal phase. By toning the uterus, it also helps prevent miscarriage and postpartum hemorrhage, due to a relaxed or atonic uterus.
Damiana (turnera diffusa) aids in toning and stimulating the reproductive organs. It can increase and balance hormones levels, and likewise, stimulate female eggs. Damiana also has an aphrodisiac effect on women that can aid in conception. Damiana?s main strength is to aid in impotence. It can encourage circulation to the male and female sexual organs.

I don't know about you, but I'm seriously considering legging it out the door to my nearest H&B to stock up! Lol.
I've been taking pregnacare conception for at least 3 months now with no joy, so considering some of the above.
I also found out 400mg daily of Vitamin C could help improve your luteal phase if it's too short, and even make you ovulate if you have anovulatory cycles.

Worth a shot?

Rusulka thank you for that information! I will definitely be trying out the Royal Jelly and Agnus Castus, especially if it's on sale! I have so much going on in my life at the moment that I need to be pg as soon as possible otherwise I will definitely have to put it on hold for a while!! My main concern is that I put it on hold and then decide that I just don't want to go back to trying again!

rusulka - lots of research in there! why does your DH think he has a low sperm count? anything that you try and take to lengthen luteal phase i'd suggest you discuss with doc first??

mooley you know sooooooo much!!!! i can't believe you know all this without having had a baby! what do you do for a living? fertility expert !!! we'd be lost without you!

so if i understand you right i should be hoping for my temp to go back up tomorrow?

still having some stomach twinges (though less than i have been so far this month) and so tired (but i did just have a massive lunch!)

thanks berries I am actually a building surveyor! Wish i was as good at my job as I am at learning about TTC

Yes, you should hopefully see a temp rise again in the morning, i don't think it matters how high just as long as it goes up and not down :)

Tiredness is a good sign!! Oooooooooooh really hope this is it for you!!

I have just devised an SWI action plan on excel with all my potential ov dates depending on whether my cycle will be 29, 57 or 77 days long along with all the days we will be SWIing!! Have emailed this to DH!!! now there is no excuse!!

Rusulka plenty of ideas there

Manuka honey's also meant to be a good one - can't remember why exactly! There was a thread on it a while back which should have more info. I bought some and took it for about a week then forgot I had it and only just remembered now. Must start that up again as it's equally good for any potential colds in the winter. It can also help digestive ishoos and loads of other stuff too.

I would warn people off going straight onto Agnus Castus though - have heard that it can be powerful stuff and mess some people's cycles up. It can also cause palpitations, fainting and stuff - and if you are pregnant (even in early stages) it can cause problems so it's not recommended for people actually TTC - more those who are trying to regulate their cycles

I only say this as I saw that it could help get my cycle back to normal quickly after coming off the pill and happily skipped off to buy some without checking the side effects thus wasting £10 :(

manuka is great all round actually - i always take it when i start to feel run down! I should maybe be taking it more often!

mooley thanks, i also hope it is time though i can't get my hopes up. will keep an eye on that thermometer tomorrow and if i see a rise i will be more hopeful as everyother month i dip on CD27.....

can't be arsed to work today - just want to get home to DS for playtime!

Wah. Good job I didn't run out and buy agnus castus like I planned to. too lazy Too cold today.
Might go ahead with the royal jelly though. I'm just so desperate to find something, anything that works. DH has caught my cold! Right in my fertile bit!
£%*!!@$ not fair...

Berries DH has convinced himself he has something wrong with him which is why we aren't there yet... He does have downstairs issues- one big hard one like an egg, one little squidgy one. Prob not normal, I suspect blunt testicular trauma at a younger age. So anyway, he's been googling low sperm count and all sorts, trying to find foods that'll help.

We did manage to SWI yesterday morning, it was great- somehow we managed a simultaneous happy, (or my version of whatever, the female o being what it is), so it would be great if it resulted in something positive for us...

rusulka - has he been to the docs?

have you been trying long?

Wishing you all BFPs.

Think i might drink wine tonight....

I read about dairy for woman and pumpkin seeds for men. Might be worth having a peek ;)

Berries last time he went to his docs with a sore throat/ nasty cough that had been going on for a month, he said "what do you want me to do about about it?"
DH understandably hates going, despite fact we've switched now.
Been trying since July. If nothing by Christmas, then off to docs for testing. Both of us.

Just did a big long post and alas timed out and lost it!!!!!!!!!
yes im back online baby!!!!!!!!! i think i killed my iphone and it died on me today! so off to the applestore today! i guy told me water damage and £150 ??????? so i prayed and went to another guy who rebooted it - failed then offered me a new one!!!!!!! yipppeeeeeee!!!!!!! came home and restored everything so new phone and all my stuff all safe on it again!!!!!
word of wisdom - insure your phones wether through bank or private home insurance!!!!!!!
ruslka- well done with the tips!!!!!!!! my dh has a sore throat that he got from our ds22mnts - ahhhh poor baby, my son not my dh!!!!! although he never acts sick and believes in getting up and shaking it off! he had dinner in bed!
ilove- how u feeling about fast af date?????? BFP fingers crossed!
loulou - i understand about lack of feeling pregnant we look at everything and i think it drives us insane - he waiting and wondering!!!!!!! fingers crossed for u tooX
eggs - trust me i believe in HOPE and just never giving up - i love surprises so thinking your not and then you get a BFP - now thats good!
i have thoughts if out this month will try harder next month and really go EOD like a trooper have not been on it as much as you guys trust me! i would get a 4 out of 10 for this months efforts! maybe im holding back getting pregnant and so just not trying!
blue- i know how stressful moving while ttc is - although it only takes one time!!!!!!
glimpers - i glad your healing and cosy days sound great, hope your get good info and advice from Gp!
moowoo- i know how much pressure to have a baby is and not knowing wot your body is doing must be harder at least i have a regular cycle! keep on going it like runnng a flippin marathon!!!!! the line is right there!
tmi- whilst in my shower and doing my boob checks i noticed my boob leaking some milk????????? not alot but def milkish look!

Yeeeeey count so great to have you back!!! We have been at it EOD since CD7 and now on CD18! Yikes!! having a small glass of vino to celebrate!!!

Two things to enquire on tonight; firstly does it really matter if you do not lie with your legs hanging ridiculously in the air? Secondly, SWI really hurt my tummy tonight, sharp stabbing pains making SWI both uncomfortable and not very enjoyable although we continued nonetheless can't afford to miss any opportunities!!! has anyone else ever had this?