TTC/ pregnancy on Prednisolone or similar part 2

[Arianrhod]

Starting up part 2 of this thread since the old one closed at 1000 posts!

iggi lots of luck for today, hope it's nothing - I know it doesn't help but I know lots of women have spotting and/or bleeding in pregnancy and it still goes ok. Definitely call the EPU, get scanned - it's worth it, honestly, at least you will know one way or another. Virtual hugs coming your way.

free I also started AF properly this morning, so looks like we may be both importuning a friendly witch for a good fertility spell on Hallowe'en? I know exactly what you mean about the scary stuff ... a small part of me was actually sort of relieved when I didn't get a BFP purely because it means I don't have to go through the whole worrying about miscarrying all over again. Bizarre, but there it is.

Oh, and any news from duggs re hatching?

Monday 21st November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from November (BFP cycle one but mc)
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting first appointment (in Nov)/ov expected 28-30 Nov.

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+2 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+0 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks - 15+6 next scan ?
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+2 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 12+5 anomaly scan Jan
1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+3 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+0. Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 4+5 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 4+4 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 4+4. Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+3. Scan 3/12.

ari just read my message back and it looks unsympathetic - sorry, that's not what I meant by it. The first few weeks are so so hard and time seems to drag by so much. I was just wondering whether Louise/Mr S might have an opinion as to whether those numbers were anything to worry about - and if not then maybe it might make you feel better to hear it from them rather than a GP who may not be so familiar with miscarriages.

Thanks digi (and everyone else!!), your post didn't look unsympathetic at all, honestly :) free yes those numbers would look ok if they were in isolation - ie, at 17dpo a level of 112 might be ok, it's within acceptable range - but even taking iggi's EPU estimation of a min of 60% increase, my levels between Friday and this morning still aren't high enough. It's not the actual level that is the problem, it's the fact that the hCG isn't increasing quickly enough. I still have to have my chat with the GP, and yes digi I have emailed the levels to Louise, she asked me to after I told her I was having hCG testing done on Friday - but truthfully there isn't much she can say, the facts is the facts and while I'm praying to every Deity in the known & unknown universe that I'm wrong, I honestly don't think I am. You know how you get a feeling that something isn't right? I didn't have it with my first and third pregnancies (had no clue at all, actually) but this one hasn't felt right from the start. Nothing I can do except wait, monitor and see. Again, you can all blow big fat raspberries at me later if I'm wrong.

free I don't think you'll be turning into an ovarian terrorist in the sky, rest assured on that one! :) I know from all bar that early MC in Feb that I got cramping early on with both pgs (things didn't go wrong until later), and so so many people mention both light cramping and mild backache in the early days, it's very common, it's as your beanine is burrowing in good and proper. Now it sounds like I've likened your baby to Alien, sorry! :)

I marvel anew at some of your culinary expertise, I wouldn't dream of attempting anything suggested so far! Well maybe the trifle, I can make one of those - but that's about it!! :)

free that should have read beanie, not beanine! sheesh ...

Gah, all change with me. My 97 year old Nan has been taken to hospital with suspected blood clot so am arranging to get train straight to see her in Chester off the plane. We are very close. Just called DH to get him to post me some more Pred.

Oh no free, hope everything goes ok with your Nan, sending strong good healing wishes her way.

Welcome hopeful

Really sorry ari that you feel things aren't going well with this pregnancy - fingers crossed that you are wrong x

free sorry to hear about your nan. Re: the pain - I was sure I was having an ectopic pregnancy this time and then when I had some spotting was totally convinced. One of the drs said it could even be constipation causing the pain (also on left near bowel) which is certainly a pred issue I'm having! Still getting left side twinges but four scans on I'm a bit more positive that it is just pregnancy. Travel well.

Just a quickie as I?ve got schoolwork to do.

Free ? So sorry to hear about your Nan. Hope you can get to her quickly. Can I just echo digi that stabbing pains and back ache are completely normal pregnancy symptoms. Try not to worry unless they get really out of control.

Welcome Hopeful ? you?ll find everyone really supportive and, pooling all our learning about our respective ailments, rather knowledgable too.

Ari ? I really feel for you at the moment. Have you managed to get to speak to the GP yet?

Great milestone Stogan! It?s funny how pregnancy seems to be little milestones all the way through. Get to the 12 week scan, feeling the first movements, get through the 20 week scan, get to 23 weeks so it?s finally viable?..The minute you get past one, it?s onto the next one.

Fingers crossed for you Snoopy. I?ll be watching with baited breath!

Waves to everyone else.

Oh and just updated the list with my scan date and revised dates as I saw the consultant today to check my meds are all OK and he told me that I?m 16w today.

Monday 21st November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from November (BFP cycle one but mc)
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting first appointment (in Nov)/ov expected 28-30 Nov.

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+2 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+0 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 16w next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+2 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 12+5 anomaly scan Jan
1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+3 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+0. Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 4+5 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 4+4 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 4+4. Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+3. Scan 3/12.

sue posset sounds lovely but shortbread scares me, especially if my flapjacks were anything to go by the other day! thanks 4 link I will have a go at that one over next week.
free like sue I feel a movie/book coming on "Up Duffed at 35'000ft -one womans struggle....(please fill in blank if your bored) prize for the best book title!
I also had pains, stabbing, stretching blah blah throughout preg with DS but I spose having had no probs before him i didn't even entertain that anything was anything but normal. It's only when you've m/carried you start imagining the worst constantly with next pregnancy when it's all normal really.
Digi Thanks for the detailed foodie mail, yes can do trifle, and make a good crumble. Perhaps I may do two puds as the baked cheesecake is heaven. I fancy doing a bit of thai and in a way the presentation doesn't have to be too fussy. We are also having a family party the next day for sisters and kids to swap pressies before we go away but they will get shove in oven party stuff hehe
Yes i know I'm a fool testing but it just gets the agony over earlier if anything there..which there probably won't be. And then if I'm lucky....well the fear just goes on until well....it's born!

sending your Nan good wishes free (just saw post).x

Oh and I meant to say to Iggi - maybe it's time to step away from the miscarriage board for a while. I imagine it must fan the flames of all your worst fears and it can't be good for your mental health. (And I mean that in the nicest possible way. I'm the one who's 16 weeks and still can't bring myself to go on the pregnancy boards!) x

hey everyone...sorry to hear about your Nan free and hope things are ok for ari too.

Just got back from Dr S. CD12 today.. had scan and I have one HUGE follicle 27mm - which dr S says is a little too large for his liking. (over cooked- usually means a bad egg). The other ovary showed multiple little follicles and he says I have Polycistic ovaries??? How has this not been picked up before from the other 4 doctors I've seen over the past 2 yrs ??

BIG sigh...

Anyway I had the ovitrille injection but don't hold out much hope with the bad egg diagnosis.

Dr S has perscribed me metformin to take, to add to my repitoir of pills. Is anyone else on this ? Are you cheerful ?? I think so. Any info on it.
Dr S said my body was performing like a Vauxhall Astra now, but with Metformin will be a Ferrari.

Sorry for the lack of personals.. I know there is quite a bit going on on here.
Just trying to get my head round this new bit of news.
x
Suemays- I can explain all re super ov when we meet if you like?

Free, hope your nan is ok. It's a good thing you were on your way back to England so you can see her quickly.
Thank you Coconut you are of course right,through MN I know of all sorts of tragedies that I would never hear of in rl (because they are thankfully very rare). Hard to move away from the position that if it can happen, it will happen..to me. Forced myself to read stuff about the best cot to get, by way of balance!
Think I might have to 'come out' at work this week, I am suspiciously large.

Thinking of you Ari. I imagine they will give you another test in two days, more waiting

That's the thing isn't it Iggi - MN is a kind of magnifying glass for all the awful things that can happed in pregnancy. Glad you're diverting yourself with cot buying thoughts instead.

Duggs, that's a lot to get your head around isn't it. I know I was reeling when I had my results from Mr S because although I'd been kind of expecting the NKC news, there was other stuff that hadn't occurred to me would be wrong. Takes a while to adjust to it, doesn't it. Staggering that no-one else has picked up on the PCO up to now. Bet you're looking forward to running like a Ferrari though! Think I'm running a bit like a Robin Reliant the way I feel at the moment...

Hi there

I wonder if you have room for one more? I have been reading through the whole thread over this weekend and have laughed and cried at the posts. Its so good to read about ladies going through exactly the same as me! Recurrent miscarriage is a pretty lonely business when so many of your friends are popping babies out with no problems at all!
I am currently with Dr Shehata and have high / borderline very high NK cells (1.79). I have had 3 miscarriages - June 2010, December 2010 and June 2011. I'm 33 and have been TTC no 1 now for 22 months.
Just finished my second cycle of steroids - sadly no bfp yet for me. It usually takes me a few months to get pregnant each time so its really frustrating knowing that the steroids can hopefully help me but that I've got hurdle to get over to get the bfp first!!
I am on 25g prednisolone, to go up to 40 on bfp..
I laughed at the moonfaced comments. I have gained a few pounds and combined with puffy eyes from lack of sleep most nights I definitely have a bit of a moonface these days.

anyway congrats to all you pregnant ladies. It gives me so much hope :)

Welcome bfpseeker, so sorry for your losses but you will be well understood here, you're definitely not alone!

duggs Very interesting to hear of your results with Mr S (although I have to say your comment about an overcooked egg did I'm afraid bring to mind an image of a fried egg with crispy bits around the outside!), and as you say, how has no-one picked up your PCOS before? Hopefully now Mr S can address the issue, we look forward to a BFP soon! :)

iggi Enjoy telling them at work, it's another great milestone to pass :)

Had my chat with my GP, I have to say, I'm more impressed with her attitude every time I speak to her. She's refreshingly honest - she said she didn't know anything about what levels should be, the only guidance they are given are that if they're going up, then everything is fine. She freely admitted she is not a fertility specialist, knows very little about the specifics, and bowed to Mr Shehata since he IS the specialist. She wants to know what his take is on my levels, and what he suggests we should (or shouldn't) do. I explained about the requirement for hCG levels to rise by approximately double in a 48-hour (ish) period for a pregnancy to be considered possibly viable, and that mine haven't done this even in a 72-hour period. She agreed to my having another hCG test, and has printed out a form for me to get this done whenever I think it's appropriate. I've emailed Louise for some guidance, but I was thinking either another 48 hours (Wednesday morning) or else another 72 hours (so, Thursday morning). My GP did say "your poor arms, they're going to end up very bruised" .. to which I said, they already are! (Nurse on Friday made a bit of a hash of it :( ). She also said the NHS wouldn't agree to repeated hCG testing, apparently the guidance they have is that it should only be tested every 4 weeks and then only if deemed necessary! But I have one more go at it, anyway; past that, any further hCG testing has to be done privately (although she will do the necessary recommendation forms, if this is what I want to do).

So ... yes, yet more waiting :(

free, I hope all is well with your Nan.

I have just been hearing about the pandas due to arrive in Edinburgh (where I am) - pandas are only fertile one day a year, that would present some challenge even to Mr S!

Welcome bfpseeker fingers crossed for u on ur journey Hun xx

Hope everythings ok with ur nan free???x

Morning all ?x

duggs thanks for updating us on your follicle scan. Mr S is a PCOS expert so often diagnoses it where others have missed it. PCOS is a spectrum where you can have it quite severely (obese/too thin, acne, coarse facial/body hair, no periods) but you can also have a mild hormonal imbalance where your ovaries show multiple cysts, but you otherwise have no other symptoms. I have a mild version of it, where my ovaries look polycystic and my cycles are really long - but I do still ovulate and don't have too much trouble keeping my weight, excess hair and spots under control. Mr S prescribed me metformin, but because my pcos was so mild it didn't really make any difference. In fact my cycles actually got longer on it. Even after taking it for 4 months. However, I did get pregnant on it - and continued to take it until 16 weeks as advised by Mr S and all is going well so far...
One thing I also wanted to say is that I had a scan on day 19 of this cycle. It showed absolutely no follicular development on either ovary, they were both just larger looking with the small cysts. I mentioned this to my acupuncturist who supplied me some special chinese herbs and 11 days later I ovulated and conceived.
Two cycles before it was my WTF cycle, I had a scan on day 40 which showed only a 7mm follicle. I was told I probably wouldn't ovulate that cycle. I ovulated three days later. Confirmed by positive opk and temp rise.
Mr S is very very skilled at detecting PCOS and also knows his way around with a U/S probe. However, no-one REALLY knows how we ovulate and it can be very unpredictable. The fact that you had a 27mm follicle doesn't necessarily mean there is a bad egg in there. If Mr S knew this for a fact he would tell you to avoid having sex in order to prevent another mc. But he's suggested you trigger ovulation and continue having sex, in case there's another follicle hiding that is ready to pop. Good luck with it, I hope it all works out!

ari glad your gp is being very sympathetic. Hope the next hcg test gives you a better result. How are you feeling today?

welcome bfpseeker, sorry to hear of your losses . You're right, the plight of rmc is incredibly lonely. It seems no-one understands what your gonig through. But hopefully we do! Feel free to vent, overshare, or just lurk on this thread. And good luck with this new cycle, fingers crossed it's the one.

free so sorry to hear about your nan, hope she recovers quickly.

Tuesday 22nd November

TTC
Waiting to test
Snoopygirl - V High NKC TTC, will be Ist try with Pred, Intralipids on bfp Testing from 21/11
Havingkittens - Upgraded from High to V High NKC TTC #1 after 2 month break/testing 29 Nov -2 Dec depending on my resolve.
Waiting to ovulate
coleyoz - V High NKC. TTC #2 - ov 3 Dec (Pred and Intralipids at BFP)
duggs1976 - High/V High NKC - TTC #1 - Superovulation cycle1
batteryhen - High activation NKC, factor v leiden. TTC#1
Suemays - V High NKC TTC/ov 30th Oct. TTC#2.
Cherrycheeks - V high NKC, TTC#2/ ov 25th-26th Nov/ 4th cycle of pred
pureequeen - High NKC TTC #2 again from November (BFP cycle one but mc)
eurochick - TTC#1 awaiting first appointment (in Nov)/ov expected 28-30 Nov.

BFP
2nd Trimester
Stogan - V high NKC - BFP 9/7/11 cycle#2- 24+3 Due 10/03/12 next scan 30/12
Digitalgirl - High NKC - BFP cycle#2 -19+1 Due 16/04/12 anomaly scan 23/11
Coconutfeet - V High NKC, Factor II gene mutation, underactive thyroid - BFP pre-pred, started at 6 weeks ? 16+1 next scan 14/12
Comedy - V High NKC - BFP cycle#2 - 13+3 due 26/5/12 next scan 12/12
Iggi - High NKC & Hypothyroidism - BFP cycle#2 - 12+6 anomaly scan Jan
1st Trimester
BrownieGecko - High NKC, Hypothyroidism, & Glucose Intolerant. BFP on cycle 3 of Clomid - 11+4 next scan 28/11
Scooterchaser - V High NKC - BFP cycle1 - 8+1 Due 01/07/12. Scan 25/11
Freelance - V High NKC TTC#1 Hydroxchloroquine, Pred, Intralipids. Thyroid/hashimotos. MC 1st cycle. LMP18/10 - 4+6 - Scan 3/12
Arianhod - V High NKC, MTHFR homo, hypothyroid, TTC#2 BFP 2nd pred cycle LMP19/10. 4+5 Scan 7/12
Cheerfulcharlie - V High NKC, MTHFR/TTC 1/ (metformin, intralipids, no pred). LMP17/10(Ov'd 3rd Nov) 4+5 Scan 6/12.
ChoccyPud - V High NKC / TTC #1 BFP 4th Pred cycle LMP20/10 4+4. Scan 3/12.

Morning ladies.

I've had my appointment with Mr S. Bloods taken, scan done (slightly more follicles than a normal ovary but not really polycycstic - yay). Now I have to wait for the results.

Morning ladies, hope you're all doing great this foggy murky morning?

Well I spoke to Louise, who was as reassuring and matter-of-fact as ever. No my levels don't look good, but there's little anyone can do right now other than monitor and wait, as I know. I'm having another b-hCG test done tomorrow morning, 48 hours after the last, then we'll maybe see the picture a bit better. It will either show the levels have risen sufficiently, or they haven't, in which case I am most likely facing a chemical pregnancy/early miscarriage. If they have risen enough (please please please!!) then I stop testing and wait for the 7 week scan on the 7th, assuming it gets that far.

I won't say I'm at peace, I'm not (obviously) but until I get the results through of tomorrow's tests at least I'm going to try (!) not to worry about it too much. It's out of my hands anyway - it's either doing what it should, or it isn't, and there's nothing I can do to influence it either way.

Oddly enough, I've been getting pressure/a mild ache right on my pubic bone yesterday evening and this morning (not cramps, more a pressure on the bone) which I've always taken to be a good sign in pregnancy. So that's confusing me a bit! Again, you're all going to probably think me crazy, but there's a part of me that is desperate for proof I'm wrong - I'm trying to squash the hope that this is going to turn out ok despite the odds looking heavily stacked against it, but I just can't help that little spark of hope that is desperately trying to flare. I know it will be the worse for me if it does all go the way I'm still expecting it to, but it seems despite all my attempts to be matter-of-fact about the likely negative outcome of this particular pregnancy, a little part of me is trying to remain hopeful.

I'm rubbish at this being realistic lark! :)

Wow, I'm glad we're not all pandas then ... can you imagine only being fertile one day a year? No wonder they're an endangered species, poor things can't reproduce fast enough!

ari Louise makes sense but doesn't make this any easier. Fingers crossed for you honey. X dig so helpful to hear all that news. It helps a great deal. My cycles are between 31 and 27 days generally and I usually ovulate i would say but not 100% of the time I don't think. So happy to hear mr s is expert - I love him. I am a bit fat but not sure how much is down to food, wine and the like. I tried boot camp last October military style. Hideous - 8 hrs of exercise a day,no fat sugar low carb and I lost 3 fekkin pounds. ( and £500 ). I can lose more than that having a poo wasn't impressed. And since 3 mc etc it has been a constant battle. Anyway he obviously thought I must have a mild version so popped first metformin this morning! Hopeful to be treated. He has upped my Femera (letrozole) dose to 5mg as he wants two follicles at least and to see me on day 10. Am glad I am getting sorted out 3 mths in. Thanks digi I am so grateful for info.

Hope free u ok ?
Waves to everyone else x

So much for rationalising. I'm spotting a bit after a quick walk at lunchtime. Now sh*tting myself. Ffs. It's not even that there could be anything I can do. Really stressed at work today which isn't helping. :(((((

choccy I'm a fine one to talk, I know, but spotting is often normal at this stage, I'm told, as beanie is still bedding in. I know that won't necessarily reassure, but I have my fingers crossed for you.

And hello from London? Overnight flight, train home from Gatwick, lovely long bath and a good hour or so nap and unpacked. I decided that in the light of everything ? rather than get straight off a night flight, newly pregnant, jet-lagged, lugging loads of cases on train/tube/train/bus to Liverpool then Chester I would come home, regroup with a smaller case and get the train there tomorrow.

Nan is comfortable in hospital we hear. It was a blood clot in her leg and she is being medicated. Very hopeful it will all work, but we are aware that she is very old. You would all love my Nan, she?s an inspiration. If we manage to keep her that long she will be 97 in March and still lives on her own.

Seeker (can we call you that??) you are so welcome to the thread, it is great to have you here. Please come and join in and hang around. It's getting quite a busy place! Have you been added to the list? Perhaps I will do it in a sec. I think we need to start a new thread ASAP anyway. Glad we can be of help too, it is indeed great to find other people going through the same thing. Especially as it is all such weird, quacktastic treatment! But yes, it really seems to be working for a lot of people.

Duggs I am not sure if she has answered you yet but wasn?t Digi going to be on/taking Metformin? Sorry about the Vauxhall Astra egg. But hopeful the Farrari will come along quickly! Oh ? just seen Digi did reply. She was the most diligent TTCer I have ever heard of with this cycle and is full of great advice for you!

Iggi I agree with the others. I actually find myself on the bereavement boards sometimes too. It?s hard to always remain in a positive frame of mind but like we all know, we have to be hopeful. You are doing so well so far.

Ari I am really glad your GP is taking everyone you are saying very seriously and doing the HCG tests. We are all here for hand holding so let us know when you know more. I know what you mean about being torn between optimism and pessimism (realism can bugger off as, really, we don?t know what?s real as anything could happen) and the sadness of it not working out, for me anyway, also comes with a frustration that we might have to wait and go through it all again. Just delaying time. I feel your frustration and pain.

Choccy ? same goes for you. I know we all know that spotting can be quite normal. And hey, I have (brutally) carried dead foetuses for weeks with no spotting or pain whatsoever. So I do hope this is just cervical eroson or just one of those weird pregnancy things.

Nothing much to report here, except the limbo of symptom checking/non symptom checking that early pregnancy (hah! I know no other kind!) when dealing with recurrent miscarriage. Ho hum. Glad we all have each other to talk about all this nonsense to.