Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 18)

[Summerbird73]

New thread for some serious metalling. We are ramping up the amps and churning out some Metallica, Nirvana, ACDC, Stone Temple Pilots... with the occasional 90's rave music!!

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us in the WTF cycles with the odd VIP ticket to the padded cell for some serious mentalling (now known as Metalling)

Welcome!

Bugger. I wrote a long reply to you Poppy and it never got posted. Thought I pressed 'post message' but it appears I didn't.
I would write it again but a) it wasn't that interesting in the first place and b) i'm so tired i am semi zombified.

No problem baby hope you get to have a good rest tonight!

Hi!

Didn't have time to post today as was out of the office most of the afternoon at my first appt at fertility clinic (was soooo lucky to get a cancellation otherwise would have been waiting till Feb!). It went as well as I guess these things can although I didn't know what to expect. We went through my medical history and he said that my low progesterone levels weren't because I hadn't ovulated but more because the egg wasn't a strong enough one :( He does have some concerns over my high FSH level though as my body is now having to work harder to ovulate each month (which is what i'd ascertained from Dr Google). On the up side i've conceived twice (once with DS and my m/c) and on the down side I have a reasonably high FSH level and am 39. He was very sympathetic though and I then got a scan straight away to check all looked fine with my uterus and ovaries (which it does!). She said i've either just ovulated or will do soon, so despite DP & I being full of the cold will be SWI tonight! She also measured my lining and said "it's lovely and thick" which I was most pleased about as it was one of my worries as to why an egg might not be implanting.

Anyway, he said he wants to see me in a month after another round of progesterone tests so will see what happens then. He said 6 cycles (post m/c) isn't long but can see why I am anxious with 40 knocking on the door.

I do feel better. I know that my hormone levels aren't ideal but with my age I guess it's to be expected. I just have to carry on eating well, taking my supplements and getting the SWI in! Mind over matter, right?! :)

poppy I am now taking 50mg of B6 in addition to my conception vits, an extra 10mg of D3 and an extra 500mg of vitamin C. I feel like I rattle sometimes! We are having a tiring time too as DS has woken up at 5.30am for the past 3 days (it's normally about 6.30am) so DP & I are exhausted! I just having to say 'it's just a phase, it's just a phase!'. My DS is quite a willful wee monkey and is now starting to express himself if he doesn't get his own way! Spooks? At least you aren't watching TOWIE like me!

baby please don't fret about the symptoms coming and going. I didn't have any symptoms with DS and it was fine. I am now intrigued if I might have read any of your articles before!

manda are you going for a scan on Weds? Will you be 10 weeks (sorry if i've lost count!). Don't any symptoms tend to drop off then anyway as the placenta starts to take over (sorry if i'm talking crap, think I read it somewhere!). You are so right with my chart though, I do have a definite temp rise. The clinic aren't keen on temp charting though (as I found out today) as they said too many things can affect your temp. They prefer OPKs! I love my charting though, makes me feel like I am doing something! :)

IQ your work sound like they are being utterly rotten!! I went back to work when DS was 9 months (full time). It sucks but unfortunately for financial reasons I had to. I only got statutory mat pay (£123 a week or something) and we desperately need to move to a bigger house. I am hoping at the start of 2012 to move to 4 days though and then when we are a bit more settled down to 3. This will cause problems at work though but we are supposed to be a 'family friendly' organisation but it sure doesn't feel that way sometimes. If work stress is affecting your health then I would do what was suggested and have a meeting with a witness. It's really bad. Are HR involved? How long till your DH is back for some nice hugs? If I didn't have to work full time I definitely wouldn't not for much longer though, fingers crossed.

shimmery I am excited about your dress and envious of your skills! I am so cack handed I can only about colour in with DS's crayons :) Are you in the 2ww yet?

missg oooo a scan on Weds! How many weeks is that now? Keeping fingers crossed all is okay and whoop on the puking! (IYSWIM) :)

blue are you going to have an early scan or wait till 12 weeks?

eve how have you been feeling?

summer how is DS? Hope he's not too poorly. The nursery called me on Friday because DS had a high temp and was utterly miserable. It's so horrible when that happens. How many dpo are you now?

Waves to everybody i've missed! Hope marathon is okay? Haven't seen her post for a while.
x

Oh, have updated my stats -we have a couple of ladies that need to move onto the every increasing bfp list :) :) :)

Summerbird73; TTC#2; cycle 6; AF due circa 19 Oct
Eve34; TTC # 2 cycle 2 since MC AF due 23 Sept
PieMistress; TTC #2, cycle 5; AF due circa 25th Oct
ShimmeryPixie: TTC#1, cycle 2 post MC AF due 18 Oct
Babysaurus: TTC#1, Cycle 1 (?), AF hopefully NOT due around 11th October.
Pebspop: TTC#1, Cycle 1 AF due around 22th oct
Smileygirl: TTC#2. Cycle 1 post MC, AF due circa 11th Oct but who knows
Poppyjen TTC#2 Cycle 3 post mc AF due 13th October ish

BFP: (insert your due dates etc here)
BlueCrane TTC#1 EDD 31st May 2012
MandaHugNKiss TTC#4 EDD 18th May 2012
MissGiraffe TTC #2 (1DD, 15yo) EDD 10th May 2012
MarathonMama TTC #2 (1DD, 25mo) EDD 17th March
InsomniaQueen TTC #1 EDD 18th March 2012

Evening all...well, I'm actually enjoying a small moment of non-nausea which is great

pie I have a scan next Thursday when I'll be 8+2, and booking next Tuesday at 8 weeks...must say I'm counting down the days hours, minutes

baby hang in there...whilst in some ways the weeks have dragged I can hardly believe I'll be 7 weeks tomorrow already! Try to stay calm if you can and focus on bossing DH around to get that kitchen finishes

poppy so glad you got the cancellation appointment and great about what they could see on the scan re. ovaries, uterus and lining etc! At least you can feel there's some 'action' to help at the moment!

I must share an amazing story I heard from a friend yesterday. We're not that close to the couple in question, well, not close enough to ask about TTC etc but have often wondered why they don't have any DC's as they would be such fab parents. Well, she is now pregnant and due in 3weeks time and we were chatting to him yesterday - basically they have spent the last 10 years TTC, ever since they got married. I think they are both around 40 (maybe older) now. They have spent £1000's on IVF etc and had reached the point that they were seriously discussing adoption, then in February this year they found out they were expecting and it had happened naturally without any medical assistance I burst into tears as he was telling us...they are such a sweet, lovely couple and I guess I just wanted to share it because it just shows that we really don't know what's going on in there but there is still hope It's making me all teary again thinking about their little DD due to arrive soon!!

Think my bed might be calling again soon

Blue I think it was Pie with the appointment - I am off to GP this week hopefully to push for my referral...

What a lovely story about your friends - it puts everything into perspspective doesn't it. I get down sometimes looking at people with baby and toddler in tow but then I have to think I don't have a clue what it has taken to get them there!

ooh, typo - "perspective" obviously...

Sorry poppy for the confusion, you're right...it was pie oops... But I hope you get your referral quickly!

I seem to have come up with a bit of an anti-nausea strategy...biscuits at 5am and then again when getting up at 7am seem to have really helped and I even managed two bits of toast and marmite this morning too now trying to enjoy my lemon and ginger tea though am not 100% sure I like it dare I try a ginger biscuit as well or am I going to end up gingered out so to speak?!?! I do have mouthwash with me today though just in case of a re-run of yesterday's appointment with the toilet

shimmery and summer how's the 2ww metalling going? Hope the mosh pit is keeping you suitably entertained

Hello all can I join you (waves shyly)
I am 31, DH is 32. TTC #1 since March. Have had 2 mcs at 5 weeks, one in June and one in September.

I suspect low progesterone is the issue for me as my tests came back lowish at 20. FSH and LH normal and in proportion (6.4 and 5.9)
I have decided to have some tests privately and get the ball rolling and now awaiting results and also a scan. Consultant thinks my thyroid might be the problem so let's see.

I have been lurking for a while and very encouraged to see so many BFPs.
Am hoping we get our results back soon as we have been advised not to TTC until we get those back and we a strategically planned holiday in November that I would like to get SWI for!

Very interested to see all the focus on B vits and lengthening of luteal phases I might try that approach.

Has anyone tried natural progesterone cream?

Hi Farfalla welcome to the mosh pit. Good to see the strategic planning - I obsess do that myself!

Pie I am indeed in the 2WW. I am not hugely hopefuly (had a very emotional quite depressed day yesterday) but I have already worked out the timing for next month and it will be over a WEEKEND and marks the start of a week off for me. DH is on notice for Friday through Monday inclusive. This is very exciting, given that otherwise we have to wake up at 5am to DTD - we leave the house at 6:30 of a morning and my getting home at a reaonable hour is extremely unreliable.

I do have sore boobs though.

Poppy "It is wonderful not to have to wear tights and smart pointy shoes" - that must be where I am going wrong then... I'm currently sporting a pair of biker boots and my roommate usuall wears what I call pirate boots! I never did get the hang of dressing for the office.

Just to add to the metalling - I am also knackered.

shimmery I can totally relate to the relief of realising OV falls over a weekend. DH has quite a stressful job with early starts and can be a bit of a battle struggle to get in the SWI on a Monday for example!

Welcome farfallarocks I think I recognise your name from somewhere before, so sorry to hear of your MC's but welcome to the mosh pit!!

shimmery loving the concept of you ditching the pointy shoes in favour of biker boots I actually quite like pointy shoes but they're no good for my feet and not really suitable for working in the Construction Industry as I do...the guys think they're hilarious!! Glad to hear the timing for next month is good if no joy this time around...but let's keep up the PMA until evil Af appears!!

I clearly spoke too early about feeling a bit better as feeling rough again from 10am onwards... but now wondering whether my pregnacare might be the culprit as I seem to feel particularly nauseous about an hour - hour and a half after I've taken it so may try good old plain folic acid tomorrow and see whether that helps!

Hello, I am typing on my phone so this will be brief. Welcome

oops! this bloody screen jumps about so this is tricky! I meant to say welcome to Farfall - sorry you mc'd but hopefully it won't be long before you are on the BFP list! I constantly have the symptoms / no symptoms thing going round my head. More stories about mild symptoms, or ones that come anD go would be very welcome!
Am leaving this post now as its hard to see what I am typing so it may well be utter gibberish. Will keep reading though and post properly when on the laptop

Any chance you ladies are going to add yourselves to the bfp list?

blue I think I mentioned this the other day. That is, suspecting Pregnacare in my increased/decreased sickness depending on whether I'd taken it or not. Yesterday was a totally cruddy day (started badly, mind, with DS2 feeing every hour from 2am and we hadn't even gone to sleep until after midnight when we finished watching ER in bed and SW no I ) Sickness was apparent from waking and just gradually increased until I was a sobbing mess by bedtime.

Several conversations yesterday between DP and I like this:

Me: I'm hungry
DP: What do you want? I'll go and get you anything you want.
Me: Nothing! I can't imagine eating anything and I feel SIIIIIICK!
DP:

Trying to explain it as the worst hangover (with no fun the night before) and no idea how long it will last (or, worse, realising you potentially have weeks and weeks left of it) still doesn't seem to sink in. In his head, if you're hungry, you eat! I know it should be that simple and it makes me feel pathetic (hence me crying at bedtime!).

So, I've digressed a little. What I meant to say was I made a conscious effort to NOT take my pregnacare+ before bed last night as usual and today I feel... ok. Not great, just a vague background queasy. But the sort I CAN eat with. And when I didn't take it for a couple of days at the weekend I ended up feeling positively normal so...? I think I'll lay off it for a few days. I'm not even gonna buy folic acid as the greatest importance of that is in the first few weeks (even before bfp) when the spine starts to form and fold/close. that stage is over, so I'm not too worried about missing a few days or even a couple of weeks tbh (especially as with DD and DS1 I was young and ignorant naive and didn't take a SINGLE supplement (plus, barely ate for the whole pregnancy with DD. So, yeah, not worrying.))

Fall welcome! I also recognise you - did you briefly join before? Or perhaps I've just seen you around, as it were. Either way, I hope you can gain the support we've all felt from the thread.

Who asked about my scan tomorrow? Well, by MY dates from charting, I'll be 8+4. By LMP - which, as of now, is THEIR dates - 9+4. I only really chased it after feeling SO WELL at the weekend (after a huge row with DP) as I paid for a private scan last week but... well, I should really be on their radar too. And, another dose of reassurance isn't going to hurt me any!

Hey, marathon!! You out there, woman? We miss you and would like an update please!

Hello yes I think I did briefly pop my head in after the first one.
I am hear for good now!

Well hopefully not for good (as in forever)

I hope you start to feel better soon!

blue pregnacare made me feel very quesy indeed, I switched to Zita West (quite spenny though!)

manda and farfalla thanks...think I'm going to stick to plain old folic acid for the rest of the week as I still have about 10 of those left in the bottle so will see whether that makes a difference. I must say that my beef hula hoops did make me feel a bit better earlier (I never normally eat crisps ) and I've managed a whole jacket potato for lunch [proud face] and do feel quite a lot more human than I did yesterday. manda I do sympathise with the can't eat thing though and no wonder you felt awful yesterday after so little sleep...how much longer will DS2 be BFing for now? My DH is trying his best to comprehend how awful I feel when the sicky feeling is there but I think unless you have it/have had it then it's impossible to fully comprehend!

baby try not to stress about fluctuating symptoms, mine have been on and off for the last few weeks...apparently it's normal, though no surprise you're metalling about it, I have been too!! If you're really lucky you'll end up feeling as rough as manda and I have been!

Right...back to actually managing to do some work before the nausea kicks in again in about 45mins...seems to go like clockwork in 2 hour slots whenever bean decides my tummy is empty and wants more food

pie we have 'met' on several threads, I am so sorry to hear about FSH levels but looks like you are making progress!!!

I can update my stats now as I am back on the laptop after a productive day chipping concrete off the flagstones on the floor. Have also been a bit anal and put the EDD's in order.

Summerbird73; TTC#2; cycle 6; AF due circa 19 Oct
Eve34; TTC # 2 cycle 2 since MC AF due 23 Sept
PieMistress; TTC #2, cycle 5; AF due circa 25th Oct
ShimmeryPixie: TTC#1, cycle 2 post MC AF due 18 Oct
Pebspop: TTC#1, Cycle 1 AF due around 22th oct
Smileygirl: TTC#2. Cycle 1 post MC, AF due circa 11th Oct but who knows
Poppyjen TTC#2 Cycle 3 post mc AF due 13th October ish

BFP: (insert your due dates etc here)
MarathonMama TTC #2 (1DD, 25mo) EDD 17th March
InsomniaQueen TTC #1 EDD 18th March 2012
MissGiraffe TTC #2 (1DD, 15yo) EDD 10th May 2012
MandaHugNKiss TTC#4 EDD 18th May 2012
BlueCrane TTC#1 EDD 31st May 2012
Babysaurus TTC #1 EDD 15th June 2012

So glad to hear that symptoms come and go. Mine are doing that, and aren't terribly strong when they are here either. I know it's very early days etc but after what happened last time it is hard to switch off. I realise I will probably regret saying this, but I almost wish I did have hideous nausea etc as at least I'd feel something other than moderately (compared to normal) tired!

Last time I contacted the midwife at the GP's surgery almost the day after I found out as I wanted to be referred to the hospital on account of being a Type 1 diabetic (sorry to always drone on about the different types, they are hugely different though!) but this time I have not. On one hand I don't want to tempt fate by jumping the gun to soon, and on the other hand I also don't want to be subsequently harassed into seeing the consultant anyway and having lengthy appointments (ave 3 hours) to get 'advice' I don't need. The last time my sugar levels went up hugely and I had to up my insulin big time. The apt I had with the consultant though consisted of him telling me I didn't know what doses of insulin to inject normally and to go away and come back in a week with a list of what I ate when and what insulin I took. The REAL reason I had high sugar levels is because insulin is a hormone and the body can become resistant to it, hence I need to inject more and tweak doses as neccessary. The consultant eventually said this was the right thing to do but if I had listened to him in the first place instead of taking matters into my own hands I would have had two weeks of high sugar levels which would have been very bad indeed before I would have been 'told' to adjust doses. Hence, I am perfectly capable of altering things myself - and one size does not fit all anyway so things are very much triak and error. I am doing fine though, a perfect patient I might smugly say! Hence, to cut a long story short, the consultant doesn't listen and makes assumptions all the time and, basically, I know my own body far better than he does and can look after myself.

Sorry - bit dull I realise but it helps to get things off my chest if nothing else!

So, in short, when do you think I do need to go and book in with the midwife and get referred for a scan etc? I am also wondering how easy it is to get a scan at, say, 8 or 9 weeks, instead of waiting till week 12? Experiences and opinions would be good to hear, thanks!

hey ladies

still reading but not got too much to say at the moment!

i am on cd18 and still not seen a temp rise yet to signal ov. i have been going to accupuncture so was hoping my cycle would be perfect - too much to expect i suppose.

i was speaking to dh at weekend and he was starting to think about ttc before xmas -woo hoo!! i started taking my high dose folic acid to get things started. the consultant said i should get a couple of months in before i ttc but i am sure one month will do the trick! i have been taking my normal folic acid since may 2010 anyway!

baby i got two early scans in my last pregnancy. i just rang epu and they sorted it out. i don't think that kind of service is available everywhere from what i see on these forums though - hope you can get one.

welcome farfalla we have met on the recurrent mc testing thread!

hope everyone is ok and those beans aren't making you too sick!

Pebs sorry if I'm being thick, but are you saying you self referred to the EPU?

baby when I was pregnant with DS I was able to go to a walk-in scan clinic at our then local EPU (Queen Elizabeth in Woolwich) - you just had to turn up and wait your turn (which could have been hours if they were busy). It might be worth giving your local hospital a call to see what the protocol is. In our new area I very much doubt that this is the case given I had to wait 2 days for a scan appointment after my MC.

Oh and Pregnacare made me feel so rough in the early weeks with DS that I stopped taking it. One memorable occasion I took it before I ate anything(I know I shouldn't have), left for work and as soon as I got there I was in the loo throwing up. That was the only time I was actually sick (as opposed to nauseous) and I blame it all on the pregnacare! There must be alternatives out there that are slightly less aggressive on delicate tummies!

I might give them a call then and see what the situation is here. I strongly suspect you have to be referred though, but guess it's worth a try! When I had a tiny bit of spotting when I was pg I was told, by the EPU, to go to my GP who 'would refer if neccessary' which doesn't bode well for me just walking in.

I am not on Pregnacare, but am instead taking Tesco Vits for pregnancy (left over from last time.) What's the difference between Pregnacare and, er, cheaper one's...? I'd normally not be as careful but my diet has not been as good as normal due to the lack of kitchen situation so am taking extra vits all the time.