Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 18)

[Summerbird73]

New thread for some serious metalling. We are ramping up the amps and churning out some Metallica, Nirvana, ACDC, Stone Temple Pilots... with the occasional 90's rave music!!

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us in the WTF cycles with the odd VIP ticket to the padded cell for some serious mentalling (now known as Metalling)

Welcome!

Sorry i have been rubbish these last couple of weeks, i am lurking though honestly, and catching up with all the moshers/vomiters/metallers!

pie DS is much better thanks, he slept all day yesterday, then had a little bit of 'beekabix' (weetabix) for his tea, so we sent him to nursery today, apparently the lunch was curry and rice but he wolfed it down and asked for more! Your fertility appointment sounds really promising, mahoosive fingers crossed

baby i had intermittent symptoms with DS too, i actually found that eating made me feel better when i was feeling sick. and i sooo wanted to rearrange the due dates on the list too i too am intrigued as to whether i have read your articles.......

loving mandas conversation with her DH

well i am metalling, i am 9DPO (yes i know you would all have tested by now!) but i am leaving it until Wednesday next week as that is CD28, god knows what i will do if it is a BFP as we are at the MIL's and then onto my best friends house in London - both the MIL and BFF are wino's and will immediately guess if i turn down a glass of red - they know me too well!

but of course that is the big 'if' - must not metal

Popped on earlier to post an update but it closed on me and didn't post so have returned for round two this evening!!

Thanks everyone for your work based advice....a couple of updates from here:

• work has been much better as I have just put my foot down and said I will be doing reduced hours, I won't be able to take on any further tasks until I catch up and have outlined the things that I simply can't do. I've now left it to them to sort out and WILL NOT be worrying myself about any of it....!!!
• I think I felt biscuit move today for the first time....a bit because I'm not really sure whether it was too high to be the baby but I will keep you all posted.
• heard from DH today to say that he'd received my e-mail with the clip of biscuits heartbeat and it nearly made him cry......he said that the baby was making him emotional and he couldn't wait to be home with both of us for cuddles and kisses.....I won't lie a I did fill up quite a bit reading that!!

eve the 16 weeks definitely feel like they've flown by but I think when your actually go through them it feels like all you do is think about symptoms, check your knickers and waver between feeling happy for a BFP and scared about how its all going to go.

shimmery dressmaking.....god I miss that - I used to have my machine out every weekend now its just upstairs gathering dust. I'm hoping that getting my bedding and curtains made will give me the kick I need to get back into it. What kind of thing did you make? Also symptoms??...I'm hoping so!!!

poppy totally understand what you mean about work moving to the back burner. Now things have become a bit better at work I feel less emotional and will be trying to keep my options open and see how it all goes. Hoping that all your pills are preparing a nice 'bed' for future beans!!

blue, manda, missg sorry your feeling so grim at the moment - it will get better I promise and knowing that the little bean is getting comfy should help you along the way!!

missg and manda sending you lots of positive and beany thoughts for tomorrow scans - I shall be holding your hand in spirit!!

summer glad your ds is feeling much better....I think once this little one arrives I will be a bag of nerves everytime they are unwell!!

pie glad the consultant was at sympathetic and was willing to look at your case properly. Eating well, taking supplements and SWI....sounds like a great way forward....hope this all brings you good news!!

farfall welcome back to the mosh pit - so sorry you have to be here. These are the best ladies you could ever want - they will be with you through POAS, hold your hand through scary early scans, encourage you when your feeling low, keep you going when your ready to give up on TTC and pass round the 'virtual' wine and chocolate to get you through the dreaded AF.

baby I was sent for an early scan because of not having an AF before my BFP. Once that happened I went in for my booking appointment - I think that was around the 10 week mark. They don't offer early scans around here other than my reason or if you have pain or bleeding. I know where my SIL is they have a walk in service between 8am and 9am but not many places offer that. The most important thing I think is that you actually have the midwife 'booking' appointment before 14 weeks!!

pebs sounding promising with DH wanting to start SWI before xmas!! Also good you have your folic acid covered and hoping your acupuncture starts to kick in for you soon.

Love to all!!! Xxx

oooops i meant to say a big HI to farfallarocks i recognised your name too and think it was from earlier on in the thread. so sorry it happened to you again

IQ your DH must be so not to be with you, my DH was always a bit sad that he didnt come to my MW appointments with DS as it was in his work time as he wanted to hear the heartbeat. Anyway, when i had my 20 week scan i asked the MW if she could do a heartbeat check just so DH could hear it - she gladly obliged and he was almost in tears!! And yes you will panic with every single little ailment your LO gets! It does get easier as you get more and more advice from medical professionals etc

Had a manic morning, DS was clingy and weepy and wouldnt let me do my hair or make up for work, i managed it (just) but i look a fright - and i have just had my hair cut and need to 'work with it' for a few days I am sorry to say that DS and i had a mini falling out this morning, i told him to 'shut up and let mummy get ready' am i a bad mother??! Neighbours are probably calling Child Line as we speak...

Summer definitely and categorically not a bad mother! The very fact that you are worried about that tells you that you are not!

Hi all no news from me, CD6 and temp back down to pre-O level so we'll see over the next couple of weeks whether the constant supplement-popping has any effect!

Morning all?well, I had a delightful 10 hours sleep last night as I was dropping off by 8:45pm and thought it must be time for bed have just taken my normal folic acid this morning so will see if that helps, though am sure the extra sleep has helped as well TBH as do feel a bit better. Managed two slices of toast and marmite as well for breakfast which is good progress!

baby I went to the docs the day after I got my bfp this time as I had a stinking cold and wanted to double check what I could take etc. When I had the MMC they said that I should be able to get an early scan at 8 weeks. I was expecting to have to push for it but the doc said he would put it on the notes, and it?s now booked for next Thursday when I?ll be 8+2 so am v pleased. My best friend was saying that where she lives if you have an early scan you then have to wait all the way to 20 weeks for the next one so really hoping that isn?t the case here as I might go loopy having to wait that long (though think we?d just pay and get a private one if we did!!). baby I would go and see your docs and get things moving, push for an early scan as much as possible. If all else fails the private ones are about £75-£100, I know cash is tight with all the house stuff but it might be worth it to give you both some comfort.

pebs great news about getting back to TTC before Christmas really hope your cycle sorts itself out quickly!

poppy funny how something that should be good for us seems to cause a number of us real issues ? silly Pregnacare!! Hope all those pills start to kick into action soon!

summer well done for not testing, I do think it?s wise to wait, especially after what happened in August, it?s not risking worth putting yourself through that again!! Be to get a bfp and have to deal with MIL and BFF though!! Glad DS is better and I?m sure he?ll be fine after your little ?discussion? this morning!!

IQ fantastic progress with your work situation ? well done for putting your foot down!! So sweet of your DH too?bet he?s missing you (both ) loads!!

manda hope scan all good today!

missg have you a scan today as well? Hope all well if you have!

Still no news from marathon ?hellooooo?.are you ok???

poppy DH reckons it was hilarious as both me and DS were in a right strop this morning. He couldnt wait to get out the house! I said how it is that my li'l boy and i have our strops in tandem!!

blue i agree it will be lovely to try and hide a BFP from MIL and BFF - although i will clearly tell them as-they-will-send-out-for-the-emergency-doctors-if-i-refuse-a-glass-of

and i am very of your 10 hours sleep! i did that too in the early stages with DS

eve yes i did refer myself to epu. when i had my first mc the nurse (mw?) at epu told me to ring her when i got my next bfp and she would sort me out with the early scans - i never went to the gp to get the second bfp confirmed.

i thought it was a bit strange but i rang and they got me booked in the next week. they said i could go every week/two weeks if i wanted so i had one at 6 weeks and one at 8 weeks. thought i would be ok after that so didn't go again......

now that i have had another mc, next time i get bfp i will be getting scans every two weeks (which i will attend this time) and i will have my own midwife who i can see every week if i want to rather than seeing a different midwife just at booking, 16 weeks etc. i think i am getting this special treatment as i had a late mc. this midwife will also deliver the baby. not bad for the nhs eh!

i think i will have a scan every two weeks and see my midwife every two weeks alternatley. not sure what my boss will say though! definatley need the regular scans though as i didn't know i mc'd until 20 weeks and it had happened 3/4 weeks earlier.

i am on cd 18 today and not seen the ov rise yet - why is my body so crap? saying that when i got bfp last time i must have ov'd around cd25 or even later as i thought af was due but she never came.

Feeling quite as I have made it through the 10-10:40am window without a dash to the loo thinking i'm going to puke!!! Seems as though the extra sleep and plain old folic acid rather than the pregnacare might've done the trick!!! I am even slowly sipping a cup of tea which is real progress (must say it doesn't taste amazing but it's at least a hot drink)!!! Sorry, amazing what little things are suddenly exciting!

pebs so glad that you will get good care, extra scans etc when you do get your bfp...that must be such a comfort as finding out about MC late on must've just been awful. Hoping you get to Ov soon though!!

Must actually do some work...

Hi all,
I feel quite gloomy but not sure why. I went to get a flu jab (don't norrmally bother, but as I am now pg thought it would be wise) and popped downstairs to the ante-natal session to ask about booking in. As soon as I mentioned being a Type 1 diabetic everyone seemed to leap to their feet and words like 'urgent' 'fast track' and 'consultant' were bandied about. I explained that the 3+ hour apt (if the last time was anything to go by) wasn't really neccessary as I am sorting out my adjustments in medication myself but the, lovely, midwife said they HAVE to refer asap as they don't specialise in diabetes.
I think I am gloomy as I didn't want all this so soon; it is just making me all the more nervous.

Hi all,

Just dropping in quickly. Yep, scan later this afternoon. Wish I could be more excited rather than nervous. Manda good luck with yours. Am thinking of you, hope you are managing to keep calm.

Wit be great if we could just whizz quickly to the 12 week mark with no fuss and no pressure? This pg is ALL I can bloody think about! One minute I'm thinking ahead to maternity clothes and planning my leave, the next I'm chastising myself for being so stupid. It's not stupid, I know. It's just that, post-MC, the early days are a whole different kettle of fish

baby I know you know from experience last time that you don't actually need to see the consultant right now, or his/her advice wrt to your dosing, but to a degree you need to let go. The midwives are only interested in doing what they HAVE to do to give you (as far as they are concerned) the best care you deserve and because, y'know, their jobs are on the line if they don't do it properly! They're right, they're not experts when it comes to diabetes... but the good news is, given you've lived with it so long, is that you are! SO! Stop your moping woman! You have a condition that makes things a bit more awkward for you... but you will be taking good care of yourself so whilst you know it's not an issue as such for you just accept that in the medical community it is considered an issue (probably because many other diabetics aren't quite as diligent about their condition - I know one, who, well I can't understand how he's still alive!) and let them fuss.

Now I've told you off, have a

pebs Good that DH is on board and you're now taking your high dose folic acid. Remember a late O, whilst frustrating to wait for, isn't a bad thing. I have high hopes for you getting a bfp quickly and taking your baby home!

MissG Thanks - rightbackatcha! Hoping to see good news update from you asap!

IQ Good news on the work front.

blue at your ten hours sleep. Man, that sounds like heaven! I felt a bit ropey this morning but nowhere near the 'crying cos I feel so shite' levels it was so I'm blaming pregnacare too! I do know that they agree with me fine once the first tri is over - I've been taking it virtually non stop since june 2009 when I conceived DS2

Onto my good news update. Baby is fine. Measuring 8+4 (vs my expectation of 8+5 - I think I messed up my dates yesterday) and moving!! Measured 19.8mm... my mind just boggles at the size of a tiny baby just under 2cm bouncing about!

baby i couldnt have put it better than manda has. i work in medical regulation (not midwives but not far off) and i can confirm that they would be in serious trouble if they are not acting quick regarding your condition. just let them go with it. it is good that you are being monitored more closely. Where i live i have no chance in hell of getting an early scan or monitoring. Our EPU is so busy as they merged with another maternity unit last year, i was told i would still have a scan at 14 weeks and if i want an earlier one i have to have a private scan and my booking in appt at 9 weeks is the same as everyone elses. Regardless of the MC

manda yayyyy to 2cm of bouncing loveliness!!

good luck missg hope you have done your hair and remembered your lippie - you are Mad Men/Desperate Housewives still you know my mums friend used to go to her ante natal MW appointments in stockings and suspenders even at 8month pg! the MW apparantly said she was sooo proud of her for still wanting to be sexy me on the other hand wore my H&M maternity knickers and tights and looked like my nanna!!

Manda congratulations that is fantastic news - I got all emotional when I read about your teeny tiny baby wriggling around in there reminds me of the moment I saw DS at 12 week scan he was wriggling like a tiny caterpillar and I just couldn't believe it!

MissG thinking about you too - hope all is well

baby as Manda says, try to think of it as more TLC for you and your little one, it may be irritating but at least you know you're getting lots of attention which will be good in the long run! You'll just have to be firm and clear when you tell them you know what you're doing, and explain what happened last time. Manda is right, so many people don't look after themselves or their unborn babies I guess the mw just need to make sure they adopt a belt and braces approach. I hope that you feel more positive about it soon

manda FANTASTIC! Here's to 2cm of teeny bouncing loveliness!
x

Yeah to 2cm of bouncyness manda I can't quite believe that I could see something like that next Thursday eeek, not sure I can even begin to comprehend it TBH...I'll be 8+2 then.

Think I'm definitely going to save my pregnacare for post first trimester/sickyness and stick to good old folic acid...feel so so much better today. Sorry to make you re. my sleep last night girls...I'm going to enjoy it whilst I can though because as soon as little bean pops out then the option of 10 hours sleep in one night will be gone for a loooong time I'm sure!!

missg thinking of you this afternoon!!

summer LOL at your Mum's friend who managed to stay that dolled up all the way through...think it's more likely that i'll be like you in my comfy pants!!

baby think the others have given excellent advice...hang in there and make the most of the extra care you can get...it may work to your advantage for early scans etc

Thank you for all the welcomes!

manda what fantastic news, 2 cm!!

baby I know what you mean, its much harder to bury your head in the sand if you have to start wit the medical appointents that bit earlier. But at least you will be getting the gold standard of care (hopefully)

pebs great news about the one to one midwife, I have read that can make a huge amount of difference to birth outcomes.

summer I am so suprised there is no special treatment for you!

giraffe FX for your scan!
I am waiting for all the test results now, won;t know the result of some until 3rd November and not trying before then which is frustrating!!

Ladies, you're right. I realise this, and probably realised it before too, but I think the early appointments when its SO early are freaking me out a bit! They do have to monitor things more thoroughly as I am diabetic, and I do resent being lumped into the 'bad control' catergory until proven otherwise, but I do also realise why.

I think it's, like I said, freaking me out a bit having to see an obst (will leave it there, forgot how to spell) / consultant / midwife / and dietitian at the hospital at a mere 6ish weeks. Ideally I would like to wait and see how things go and wait till 8 weeks and it's then not so 'official.' AFter all, it's not like they could stop an early MC, and I am also sorting out my own medication so it's not like I need them to do that for me.
Oh well. Sighs...

Am also wondering if my hormones are a bit all over the place as capable of bursting into tears over bugger all today

Manda delighted to hear your scan went well! And thank you for your wise words (again!) x

MissG I hope yours goes well too. I can totally sympathise with you when you say this pg is all you can think about; me too! I keep wanting to 'window shop' and think about what I may be feeling like / doing in, say, four months time but then I stop myself and have a blind panic! The first twelve weeks are fricking awful aren't they? Even if you haven't previously MC'd. Before I got pg I obsessed with ov dates etc and now all I can think of is getting to 12 weeks. Shame I can't just chill out with a large glass of white wine....

So, Blue, it's the scan next Thursday is it? How exciting! I am two weeks behind you in dates so will hopefully not be too far behind re scans either. (The midwife did, I think, mention early scans but I think it's up to the obst (I may be wrong.)

Summer I am amazed to hear about your mums friend with her stockings etc! Personally, I wear quite a lot of smock / tunic style dresses anyway so I can't see me needing to alter my personal style too much. (I have never owned a suit, I am proud to say, coming from a notoriously scruffy profession does have some advantages!)

Just a quick one to share the Endless amount of birthday cake I have. As I feel far to sick to eat anything I thought I would share with you ladies as you would understand.

Really hope everyone is keeping ok. Will catch up soon :-)

Aarghhhh!!! Need to snuggle up in the padded area for a while as having a bit of a metalling moment few hours Now, I should be pleased that I seem to have the nausea at bay today due to more sleep last night and swapping my pregnacare for basic folic acid...but as much as I hated the nausea at least I felt pregnant and it helped me not to metal...now however, I feel quite well and coupled with a few minor stomach cramps which are probably perfectly normal for 7+1 I am in full metal mode again why oh why do we do this to ourselves and go round in such silly metalling circles please someone give me a good slap or something...

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I had just written a lovely long post and the laptop ate it!

Will back later when i'm not very vexed about it!

Love to all xxx

Blue I cannot offer any advice other than to say I can sympathise completely. And, hopefully, this time in six months we'll look back and laugh over our neurosis!
From what I can gather, and I have been googling it like mad (as I too am in the padded cell), symptoms do come and go with amazing regularity, and also the severity of symptoms.
And that's what I keep telling myself CONSTANTLY!
Now, pass me that strait jacket and put some Slayer on xx

Morning!

Sorry, another quick one. Am soooooo sick this monring, and am supposed to be giving a talk at lunchtime. really don't know if I'll be able to do it . My boss would be understanding and step in for me, but he's off sick. Am scared of telling the big boss I don't feel well enough to do it Need to travel 45 minutes to get there, which doesn't sound that far away, but when you're constantly boaking and need to be near a toilet at all times, it is!

Anyway, scan went great. Baby giraffe measures 3.7cm which puts me at 10 + 3 days, which is bang on with my dates (just shows the early scans can be several days out). Teensy was bunny hopping about, and stretching his/her arms, it was amazing! And we heard the heartbeat, which was fab. So happy! (although, we were stuck in traffic for 40 minute and were 25 minutes late for appointment, the first place I had to head as the toilet to barf!
Manda glad to hear all went well for you too! The feeling when you see them on that scraeen active and alive and well is just so fabulous, isn't it?

Oh, and Summer, you know me well ! Of course, I did some essential maintenance before going, and put on some nice knickers just incase the dildocam was necessary. However, how an 8 month pg lady can reach to fasten stocking to belt, I'll never know! I can barely do the back ones just now! (Mind you, my special outfits are likely to be gathering dust for a while now )

Will be back later to catch up on everyone's news.

missg at your scan news and bouncing bunny hopping baby giraffe!!! Really hope you work out a plan for today re. your talk...I think telling the big boss has got to be the answer as you really don't want to have to run to the loo in the middle of the talk...or indeed be late having had to stop sooo many times on the way as you'll just feel so grim!!

I'm feeling a little more PMA this morning as feel queasy again...and was awake from 5am so think sleep is a BIG factor for me in the levels of nausea! Still going to keep my place in the padded room for a while longer as the pre-booking appointment (didn't have one last time as it was supposed to be the afternoon after my scan) and more importantly pre-scan nerves and panic are starting to creep in

MissG your post, re the scan rather than the puking, brought a tear to my eye! It must be such a huge relief to see that everything is bunny hopping around just as it should. I second Blue about telling the other boss, having to run out and puke at an essential time would not be good!

Eve happy birthday from me too x

Blue it is very weird this wishing nausea on ourselves isn't it? Anyone who had never miscarried would think we were completely nuts!

I still have no major symptoms as such, although I did feel a bit weird and had to go to lay down for a bit. Does anyone else feel a bit sick if they have too much tea? I do, and felt like that yesterday despite only having had two, well spaced out, cups all day. However, that seemed to pass relatively quickly and I am now back to semi normal - I say semi as I am not sure how much of it is in my head.

According to my last AF I am 5 weeks tomorrow and the waiting seems utterly ENDLESS!

Oooo yes i was wishing for sickness when PG with DS, ho ho ho when it came it felt like the worst hangover ever!!! Lemon and Ginger tea seems to do the trick though.

missg well done on your essential maintenance. My mums friend would be proud (honestly she is in her 50s and is the most glamourous woman i know )

just a quickie today - although i will have a liddle bit of eves birthday cake - Happy Birthday! more from me! V busy at work but will try and catch up later.

and lovely loveliness to missgs bouncing bean! loving the li'l one having a stretch - we all love a good stretch to get us going!