Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 18)

[Summerbird73]

New thread for some serious metalling. We are ramping up the amps and churning out some Metallica, Nirvana, ACDC, Stone Temple Pilots... with the occasional 90's rave music!!

If you have miscarried and are ready to TTC again, come and join us in the WTF cycles with the odd VIP ticket to the padded cell for some serious mentalling (now known as Metalling)

Welcome!

Lots of wonderful scan news, that is fantastic :)

I have had final blood test at St Mary's this morning. Must admit I had a bit of a weep at their baby wall (wall full of photos) on the way out, sniff.

farfallarocks would that be the one on Oxford Road? You mentioned earlier that it was that i get nada support. Well i am South Mcr (Wythenshawe), they have just merged with Trafford Gen so they are bursting at the seams. I had to have my MC scan with all the lovely pregnant ladies wafting their scan pics about - along with all the happy baby pictures on the walls too

FWIW - did you all partake in the MN Campaign (better miscarriage care) i filled in the form and made the points above.

summer no its St Mary's in Paddington, London. I actually liked the baby wall because it is a specialist centre for rec mc so all the babies there have been born after treatment, it gives me hope!

I can't believe you are scanned in the same place, so insensitive!
I was 'lucky' enough to go to the EPU at St Thomas' in London and its all totally separate from the normal antenatal screening bit. I have filled out the MC campaign bit and I must say I think St T's does seem to follow 'best practise', they were amazingly sensitive and kind. I can;t begin to imagine how awful it must be to be in that seituaion and have insenstivity to deal with to boot :(

Hi! Hope everybody is well! :)

I was 'fortunate' enough in that there is a separate EPU where I live so didn't have to mix with any pregnant ladies. I do think that is utterly awful having to have a m/c scan at the same place as pregnancy scans.

I'm a bit [hconfused] now that I think back to my appt at the clinic on Monday. I got a +opk on Friday night and again on Saturday morning. We SWI on Fri and Saturday (and earlier on the in the week). When she scanned me on Monday afternoon she could see a full (rather than collapsed) follicle which indicated that I hadn't yet ovulated? So we SWI again on Monday night (but I was a bit because of all the vaseline that was on the dildo cam would stop the swimmers getting to where they need to be!). Anyway, does anybody know if, after ovulation the follicle collapses immediately or would you still be able to see it? She wasn't able to clarify if i'd ovulated or not and only said 'keep having sex just in case'. I'm probably reading too much into it I know! If I hadn't yet ovulated though then FF is out by a couple of days with my ov date.

They gave me my notes whilst I was waiting for the scan so I had a flick through and saw the referral from my GP who wrote that I was an 'anxious 38 year old' but I guess she is right! Although i'm now 39

pie your TSH levels look excellent at 1.83
My consultant said you ideally need to be below 2.5 to conceive

All results back on 3rd November (!) Had the last blood test today and now waiting for dildocam in 2 weeks.

The consultant said likely plan of action if the tests confirm his thoughts is to start Thyroxine for my thyroid (my levels are 3.9) and supplement with progesterone from 2/3 days post ovulation. Will keep you posted!

I have also started on the B100, have not started AC as am nervous about it but worth a shot I suppose.

Disclaimer - plenty of people conceive fine with TSH levels above 2.5 I don;t want to panic anyone.
I was told that low progesterone and slightly raised TSH and very early miscarriage were probably connected

Thanks far, good to hear about my thyroid - it's a shame my prog and FSH levels are all screwed up! I did mention progesterone supplements to my consultant but he was a bit [hmmm] about it. I've got another appointment on the 8th November so will bring it up again then as he will have another 2 x progesterone levels from me. Are you taking the B100 as a complex or just on its own? I take plain B6 50mg in addition to my expensive zita west vits (as there is a good range of B vits in those pre-natals). Think my old eggs need all the help they can get!

I did muse over just buying some progesterone cream online but thought better of it. What were your prog levels (if you don't mind me asking)?

Hi ladies

Pie I am taking the B100 complex (actually I am taking 2xB50s, not that this should make a difference), and as yet (6 days in) I am having no side effects at all from that (other than the bright yellow pee ) or from the agnus castus (I am taking 4x 400g tablets daily). Really hoping that I see a change in my cycle this month. How about you, do you feel ok with your supplements?

Just managed to get my notes from the private consultant who first diagnosed me with PCOS, I am hoping that taking these along to the GP when I go will help to convince them that as we already know there's an issue they should hurry up and refer me already! Here's hoping....

My level was 20.

I am defo ovulating but lining is coming away too early for the beans to implant!

Had a repeat test on Tuesday and very curious to see the result because my luteal phase does seem longer now.

I am taking the B100, my ferritin was on the low side of normal so thought I would give it a boost!

I have also thought better of ordering prog cream on the net although I have done a fair bit of research and bought the book Natural Progesterone by JOhn Lee. I would know which one to go for if I do go down that route (Serenity) as its important not to get the stuff that is just wild yams.

The consultant I am seeing used to be very anti progesterone. However, he is running a clinical trial called PROMISE at the moment and apparently he is changing his mind. I think some consulants prescribe it too readily when it should only be prescribed in true cases of luteal insufficiency. My only worry is that is can delay a miscarriage. I think its helpful in cases where the MC is caused by hormonal imbalance and not an abnormality with the fetus.

I found this page very helpful. It looks like we have different reasons for low progesterone and that your low levels may be being caused at the start of the cycle, hence raised FSH. The treatment for that seems to be Clomid.

Whereas for me it looks like a corpeus lutem problem and hence progesterone might help

www.inciid.org/printpage.php?cat=infertility101&id=7

poppygen I can relate to the neon pee!!!

far what is your normal luteal phase? Mine is 11/12 days which isn't ideal, but not terribly terribly bad either? I conceived DS with the same luteal phase (but was younger!!). That link is very interesting. I've read though that they don't like to prescribe clomid if you have high FSH levels as it makes your ovaries work even harder, and, even bring on premature menopause?! It's mind boggling isn't it! The sonographer did say my lining was nice and thick on Monday (around about time of ovulation) but not sure if that means anything!

I get +opks, a distinct temperature rise every month, plenty of EWCM and a bit of pain on one side so am pretty sure I ovulate. I think it might just be poor quality eggs though (not got a scooby!). I guess i've got to be realistic in a way as am 40 next year! PAH!

Mine is now 11/12 days BUT I get cramping and spotting from anywhere between 2-4 days before AF so things are breaking down a lot sooner.

Its still a definite improvement on the 9 day phase with spotting 4 days before AF that I used to get. I also had 24 day cycles and now they are 27 days so getting better! Maybe my body is just taking a while to regulate post pill?

Great about your lining and signs of ovulation, that is all encouraging. I had not realised the high FSH and clomid connection. Gah! Its so hard isn;t it as consultants all have their own theories and plans and we have to navigate it ourselves and amost self-diagnose (very dangerous indeed!)

far are you trying acupuncture? I spoke to my acupuncturist about my low progesterone (which he pretty much poo pooed as being a problem!). He has been working on increasing my blood flow to my uterus the past few sessions so i'm hoping that's what has helped with my lining? I normally start spotting at 11dpo. Do you use FF? I don't know if I would risk clomid TBH, but it's hard to say though. Did your consultant mention HSG or a lap?

Sorry for hi-jacking the thread with hormone level woes [hsad]

Pie and Far my LP is currently 11 days with spotting at 10dpo - starting to worry about this. Definitely on my list of things to speak to GP about. First part of cycle is too long (36 days to O) and latter part too short - I just can't win! Bah!

Very interesting article Far thanks for sharing

Pleasure poppyjen, pleased that my obsessive googling might be helpful although I do sometimes worry that I know too much and manage to convince myself I have every problem going.

36 days to O, wow , that does seem long but I think spotting 10 dpo is fine?
Some peopel seem to think lp is not a problem at all. Good luck with the GP!

pie I am having accupuncture, she also focuses on getting blood to the area. I think in Chinese medicine they see luteal phase problems more wholistically.
I don't use FF, just OPKs but I get sore boobs the day after the OPK so am pretty sure I am ovulating very close to :)

No mention of HSG or Lap, just a scan. He seems fairly convinced my issue is hormonal rather than structural problem with tubes etc. Time will tell

Sorry for progesterone hijack!

Thanks Far ! Haven't yet managed to call them to make the appointment, I think I am subconsciously putting it off because I really don't know what to say to them. Not sure how to go about asking for help, last time I tried a direct approach and asked for a referral I was most definitely fobbed off - that's when I got the spiel about there not being any NHS resources for fertility treatment as I already have a child. I didn't even mention fertility treatment (I really hope we don't have to go there...) I just wanted to talk to a specialist about my PCOS!

Anyway if anyone has any ideas for a softly softly (but firm) approach then please share with me

Hope all those with bouncing beans are feeling well tonight, and that the rest of us are managing to keep our PMA on track

I had a lovely dream last night that one of you had your baby and we were all trying to work out how we could send flowers whilst keeping MN splendid anonymity.... there's a lot to look forward to!

poppy I would ask at the practice for a GP that specialises in reproductive health. I went to see them before my m/c as we were on our 6th cycle TTC no.2. She agreed to do progesterone tests that month, then refer me. I got a bfp that month but had the miscarriage. I went back to see her in August (3 months after the m/c) and was in floods of tears. She agreed to refer me (I think mostly because of my age and how upset I was) and said it was a 3 month wait for an appointment (but it wasn't, it's 6 months although I was fortunate to get a cancellation).

You could ask for a referral to a gynae, rather than a fertility clinic (I think) as they should have PCOS knowledge (??). The key is finding a sympathetic GP who won't fob you off with 'try for a year then come back'. Is clomid something they prescribe for PCOS? I think the speil about no NHS resources if you have one child is for IVF.

That sounds like a lovely dream by the way! Made me a bit emotional!

far had a lovely acu session tonight. The treatment in itself makes me feel so much better and I enjoy a power nap! He put one in my ear tonight for the first time to help relax me as i'm having terrible bother sleeping at the moment. Have been awake since 5am every morning this week and I can't even blame DS!

Hello Ladies, may I join you please?

I had a mmc in August, thought I was 17 weeks pregnant, but baby died at 13.5, probably a few days after the scan. Have not been sure about whether I wanted to TTC again, but had half hearted attempt this month, and now obsessing on 2ww. Already have 1 DD.

AF due 18 October (ish?). Keep thinking I might be pregnant, but also think I might be wishfully imagining symptoms. Think I need some hand holding whatever the outcome next week tbh.

TwoWeekWonder lovely for you to join us, although very sad to hear of your MMC. (I had one in July but the baby had stopped developing at 6ish weeks, although we didn't find out till the 12 week scan as everything else continued developing normally.
As for hand holding, it goes without saying! x

Hi TwoWeekWonder so sorry you find yourself here, but pleased to meet you These are some of the loveliest ladies - such a supportive crowd. Fingers crossed that you get your BFP next week, but if not we'll be here for you until you do!

Welcome to a lovely thread twoweekwonder, sorry to hear about your MMC. Fingers crossed you get a bfp next week! We are here for hand holding, symptom spotting and general metalling! x

Welcome twoweek, big sqeeze to you this morning and so sorry for your loss.

To the progesterone crew, pie and poppy and manda I am 10 DPO, no cramping and no spotting. This is a first for me and I wondering if the b100 could have worked its magic already?

We are not TTC until November and the test results but am feeling encouraged!

Morning all

I will try to catch up but at my age it is a bit of a haze.

Welcome to FFrocks and 2WkWonder I really am so sorry that you have had to join us, but feel this is a really positive place to be look at all the BFP we have. And we understand how hard the hard days are.

Manda - so pleased to hear your scan went well. I am due at the doctors week on Monday so should be 8 weeks by then, not sure if I will get an early scan or not. I keep wondering if we should pay for one, but as we got to 11 weeks last time I don't think it is worth it.

Miss G - glad all is well with your scan. Did you manage to do your talk for work?

Summer - have you tested yet???

Pie 39 is the new 30 you know.

Baby - hope you are keeping ok, I can not add anything more than what has been said let the professionals do their job, smile and nod!

Nothing to report here, Feeling slightly less sick today, I had to go shopping yesterday and I couldn't even face that. DS got beans and cheese on toast for tea. Bad mummy. I do keep thinking yeah for morning sickness just wish is was more bearable. I have to travel to London next week and I am dreading it. It is for my appraisal so have to go.

Anyway it is the weekend and we are having new carpets fitted today. Can't wait I am ashamed of the one I have in my lounge. Hope everyone has a great weekend

eve beans and cheese on toast is a splendid tea - not a bad mummy at all very nutritious and delicious! Very excited on your behalf re carpets - can't wait to have ours done its long overdue...

Far Hope that the B100 has done the trick - sounds very promising! I am hoping I have a similar success

CD8 today and AF has only just finished she really eeks it out sometimes! Told DH last night that it is back to SWI bootcamp tonight and that we'll be throwing everything we've got at it this month...he looked very pleased with himself

Happy Friday everyone!

PS - anyone with DC already, can I just ask, is it just me or is Numberjacks one of the more bizarre programmes on TV???

Morning all

I am feeling less sick today and have decided that I am going to enjoy it rather than stress about it as I did on Wednesday - so nice to have a non-fuzzy brain for a little while Had an awful over-emotional evening last night but think getting it all out of my system, having a good cry and talking to DH about everything that I had got myself stressed about has helped!

twoweekwonder so sorry to hear about your MMC...please make yourself comfy in the padded area of our lovely thread and help yourself to cakes and and the odd / tipple if you feel the need!! These ladies have been a real lifeline over the last few weeks and really helped keep me sane!!

missg how did you get on yesterday with your talk?

eve we must be due around the same time as I will be 8wks on Tuesday when we go for our booking appointment. I have an early scan next Thursday but we didn't get past 5-6weeks last time with the MMC so it will be a huge relief to see a bean and hopefully a heatbeat not that I will fully relax even after that

baby how are you doing today?

Two week waiters and indeed everyone else...help yourself to cake and