Assisted Conception (and all the bits in between) volume 8

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Looks like we need a new thread for Italian, Scrummy, Beginnings, womanly, lissy, rowing, fretfree, Teds77, keziah, frustrated and anyone else who wants to chat about assisted conception!

Mmmm mulled wine, oh Bugsy you lucky thing. My consultant said it was fine to have a wee drop before the the embies were onboard. And with any luck, it'll be the last one you have for a while!!

How exciting that you have your transfer Thursday or Saturday and those embies are doing so well already - I'm sure the dancing support from MrBugsylugs is helping . I was recommended to have just the one embie. Will you go with one or two? or three?!? The very best of luck to you whatever you go with - btw, it really doesn't take long (i kept my eyes shut and deep-breathed my way through it while sqeezing DP's hand) its a bit odd having your legs in the air and a lot of 'down below' action but it'll be done before you know it and then you can join scrummy and me on the 2ww bench

lucy great news about your scan, wow, ickle bean is really growing. Go bean go .

Re Kirsty and her craft show, I am NOT with me on it either - it?s the 2ww sending me crazy. Its almost as bonkers as Nigella jumping in a black cab to buy olives and fois gras from waitrose!!!

Ah sunnyg your little pooch sounds cute and very puppy-ish

scrummy how are you doing? I struggled mid-this week but managed to almost forget about it all today?. You managaing not to think about it every other second and fidget non-stop?

Italian any dates for your tests yet?

Loving the stick little fella stick pom pom and cheerleader dance

go girls go

Hello to everyone else xxx

My friend again made jokes today about being pregnant at her age and what was she thinking. I wish I had the courage to tell her how hurtful I find it that she is moaning - even jokingly - about something I have spent thousands trying to achieve. I just don't have the courage to tell her how I feel!

OK, enough moping. I have just spent a pleasant 5 minutes looking at dolls that look like real babies. So weird!

No I do not want 4! one or two would be ample!

Hugs to all.

I'm posting this because it is about real Quadruplets (after my previous more whimsical post!). It is very sad and moving and it is also amazing but not for the faint hearted so people who are already feeling sad don't watch. I guess it is also inspirational so for those of us like me, feeling sorry for myself, I can shake myself and realise there are many other battling far more out there.

italian wish I could tell your friend for you Can anyone else? or could you drop her a note? I know that seems quite heavy but you need her support and not resentment to build. Best of luck with which everway works for you.
pocket we will have 2 or 3 depending on advice they are anti 3 but if grades are rubbish may just go for it but I think we will go for 2. How is that for definately decided. not 1 anyhow due to age! Transfer either today or Sun maybe pocket 1 more day has gone than you thought as you were typing thurs/sat or are you far to the west?
suungy puppy sound greatkeep thinking we should get one but am not sure if Buster will feel even more he was top before ds but has been brilliant then we moved house went from fab large garden where he would lie out for hrs and be a monkey about coming in to small estate garden just popping out no really fun in it!!
I too am loving the sticklittle fella stick cheerleading

and to all

italian poor you, here's a bear hug . Why don't you say something to your friend like 'I know it's a bit tough, but in many ways you're very lucky. I've got friends who can't have any kids and some who've spent years and thousands trying to get pregnant'. She may or may not connect this back to you and if she does, you can just brush it off but it might do the trick. If you say nothing she'll only continue!?

bugsy good luck today if you go for it. I must be getting days mixed up but though day 5 would be Saturday. Isn't Sunday 6!?! go embies go!

Hello all!

I'm still here. Apologies for not having been around much but life seems to be getting in the way.

Italian so glad that you've decided to do the tests. They're the reason I'm pregnant and are very much worth it.

rowing so sorry not to hear more positive news from you. Best of luck and love to you, whatever you decide is the right next step for you.

Teds77 couldn't be more thrilled!! That lady is good at what she does. I feel like spitting in the eye of all those consultants who write us with 'older' eggs off.

lucy wow!! Congrats. What wonderful news.

Scrummy hope all is well with you.

Keziah and Lissy I got my appt card for my GTT last week which helpfully reminded me that smoking isn't allowed during the test hope all is well with you both.

As for me, the Grommit is moving now. I have some hip ishoos so have been referred to the maternity physio by my GP. Also off to see a haematologist as the obstetrician isn't sure I should be staying on Clexane. Given that I have thrombophilia, they're going to have to give me a VERY good reason to come off it.

Big hellos to all I've missed. I am thinking of you all!

pocket at clinic I am in they count day 1 as day after egg collection I guess 1 full day. Not sure about other places as day 1 of period is day it occurs on. 2 at 7 cell stage 2 at 8 cell stage 1 at 10 cell stage, others lagging behind so they think day 5 they do not do day 4. fingers crossed but sm now more nervous hat I was. Back now really playing up

hi beginnings nice to see you again and great to hear the Gromit is wriggling about. Sorry about your hip but hope that the physio can help - we do a bit of cheerleader dancing on this thread now so we need you fighting fit!

ah bugsy i get it now, thanks for explaining. Now please try not to worry, you are in a great place, you have amazing embies which are almost ready go embies go. in just a day or so you'll have them on board and then you can join scrummy and me on the bench. My embies developed at different stages and i think there was a lot of growth on the last day, so dont worry about yours they'll be fine. Also a few of mine developed further after transfer so the ones that weren't ready on the actual transfer day, were good to be frozen. Best of luck and fertile thoughts to you my dear and let us know how you get on xxx

Thanks pocket. Just seen all my typo's!! As you can see sleep is not coming easily!! back really hurting not sure why wonder what they did whilst I was in dreamland!
beginnings great news about gromit moving. Ohh Hip pain sounds uncomfortablemhope physio works wonders. re clexane depends on indications often peopple take all way through but stop for labour I think then restart. good luck with getting answers

bugsy I can't sleep either! Seem t be waking up at 5am most days

I've just checked back through the thread a and realised that your EC was Tuesday so your 3/5 days now make perfect sense. I though it had been Monday, hence I was confused. Sorry not thinking clearly.

Hope your manage to have a fairly chilled Saturday and that ET goes splendidly for you Sunday xxx

thanks I am talking gibberish thought it was Sunday this am. Dh asked if I was excited about tomorrow and I said do you not mean today. His reply was we would hardly be going to Manchester to visit friends if we were expected at Notts!!! Usually level headed professional ohwell.
How far into 2ww are you and scrummy see told you I was being a bit confused.
Hope the sleep kicks in soon how are you distracting yourself and did you lie around for a few days if so for how long.

Wow, there is so much going on!

Pocket- I'm at ARGC. Highly recommend, they are super thorough and super intense.

bugsy- Wow, well done you! Good luck with your ET, try and stay relaxed. DH sounds very supportive, let him distract you on your 2 WW.

Scrummy- Hope you manage to stay relaxed and zen-like on your 2 WW as well.

beginnings- Yay for movement! It's funky, isn't it? I have groin/pelvic issues as well, all part and parcel. Good for you for going to physio, hope it helps.

Italian- This may sound like a stupid question, but does your friend who is moaning about being pregnant know what you've gone through? If she doesn't, then maybe it's time to enlighten her. If she does, then she really is the most insensitive cow!

lucy- Wow, what a great scan! Bean is super-sizing, which is terrific! Keep us posted...

sunny-Oh, sweet puppy! I love having pets! I brought my two cats over with me from America, and I'm so grateful that I did! Such good company, and such fun to play with and cuddle!

AFM, neighbors really suck! There hasn't been one hour today that there hasn't been some sort of banging/jumping/child screaming etc. Husband and I have started a noise diary, and while it's killing us to not bang on the walls to get them to shut up, we have to bide our time and let the solicitor do his work. But really, the most inconsiderate, obnoxious people ever! ARGH!

Glucose Tolerance Test was super boring. Drank this sticky sweet stuff and had blood drawn, then waited around two hours and had blood drawn again. Should get the results at my obstetrician appointment on Monday. Super crappy week of sleeping, so I feel very run down at the moment. Hoping to make the best of this weekend and get some rest, but it's really hard with the racket going on upstairs. ARGH!!!!

Lots of movement from the little one, which makes me smile every time, so that's something to cheer me up. It will be ALL of you very soon!!!

Have a great rest of the weekend. Sending loads of baby dust to everyone, huge hugs, and copious amounts of chocolate boobs...

Bugsy best of luck to you tomorrow my dear. it really doesn't take long, its unsuprisingly a little uncomfortable but you dont feel much - no doubt you've had a few scans during your treatment so its a bit like that, so really dont worry. go embies go

I was lucky enough to have accrued a lot of holiday this year, so in the summer i booked this month off, which magically coincided with my treatment which was only confirmed a month or two ago. it wasnt planned just a total fluke - so to answer your question, ive spent a lot of this week lying around, watching Christmas movies, doing a few walks and some Christmas shopping. its been peaceful but i've had a bit too much time on my hands to overthink this and jump at ever symptom or non-symptom. Are you back to work next week? I understand that there's no need to rest as such and many people go back to work straight away. The thing to avoid is anything strenuouus like lifting heavy things or aerobic excercise - i didnt need to be told twice to avoid the gym and the hoover!

During my searching online I found this link really helpful, you might too.

www.ivfconnections.com/forums/content.php/569-After-IVF-Embryo-Transfer-What-You-Need-to-Know

Lots of love and luck tomorrow, will be thinking of you

bugsy hope tomorrow goes good. I found ET a bit uncomfortable and undignified but it's over very quickly plus I was so excited about getting my embies on board I had a smile on my face the whole time!

pocket very of your hols! And always good to have an excuse not to hoover!

lissy sorry to hear about the neighbours but yay for two cats! I've been having snuggles with my fluffy boys all evening.

beginnings lovely to hear from you and glad that Gromit is moving. And thanks again for the recommendation x.

italian sorry to echo lissy but does your friend know what you are going through? Either way, ((hugs)). People are insensitive p3nisheads sometimes... (apologies for the language) and I just can't fathom it xx.

Christmasy chocolate boobs to all

Thanks Pocket I shall join in the cheerleading!! Hope you're off the bench and on the pitch soon

bugsy the very best of luck for tomorrow. I hope it all goes swimmingly and that you manage to get some sleep tonight. Make sure you are pampered when you get home. No medical need for it but it'll make you feel better.

lissy I am so sorry about your neighbours. That's dreadful and not what you need right now. I hope you manage to get it sorted soon.

Teds77 no thanks necessary, I'm just so glad it's working out for you. I just told DH about you and he's thrilled for you too. We love hearing success stories. How far along are you? I found leaving there really hard, I knew I could trust them and have found that you need to be on the NHS all the time. I was told there was a great system which meant there was shared care between my GP and the midwifery team. All that seems to mean so far is that no-one is in charge. I now have the head midwife at my ante-natal clinic on speed dial.

Happy Saturday to everyone. We put up the Christmas tree today and it's gorgeous!!

bugsylugs will you get three put in? Can I ask if you are older or if you live abroad? You don?t need to tell me where you are in the world. Am just curious because I did not realise they put three in in the UK (unless you are older). Sorry to pry, ignore me if you prefer! go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go go-embies-go

Beginnings thanks for the encouragement. Good luck for the future, hugs.
Pocket I misread your post of Christmas Shopping and Christmas jumping and thought 1) what is that and 2) is that a good idea with an embie on board! Then re-read and realised I am nuts!
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lissy just think you will be able to get your own back on neighbours when baby arrives as you can have lots of noise to offer through wall at times! Have you given the little one a name? I know in some cultures it is not normal and I know you are Jewish so it might not be appropriate. We are Christians (as you know) and wanted a Bible name for little one so choose a name from Bible we knew we would never use (preparing self that you will say this IS your choice of name!!) we chose Obadiah!).
lissy, Pocket and bugsylugs thanks for your concern about my friend. She is actually one of the sweetest people and very generous. I was just being a bit sensitive. I can cope with my friend. She knows we have spent 6 years and thousands of pounds trying to conceive again. She just can?t make the connection between how easy it is for her and how hard it is for me and that might bother me. In one sense her ease at getting pregnant should not affect me; it is what it is, for her pretty easy for me pretty hard. But she has had other things in her life that have been hard. She is a lovely person she just does not quite connect the dots in those sort of situations. I am trying to be more sensitive. I am sensitive when I know what to be sensitive about but I am hopelessly un-intuitive about people?s real feelings! So I can?t really blame her because when I see her I am pretty smiley and happy. I am coping much better now than I did in the past with the trying to conceive. Other friends remember me as being very teary about the whole thing. I guess I did the strong thing for a couple of years, then the teary thing, now I am in the strong thing again! Also that terribly sad clip about the quadruplets makes me aware of many of the sad situations that real people face. Just so no one thinks I am balmy I am thinking of the real quads in the clip I posted just recently - not the dolls, please people don't think I am mixing up the two, I just found the quads one because I saw it after looking at the dolls, (I found the dolls because I was looking for a gift for a child Just telling you in case you think I spend hours trawling the internet!

Anyway when I see that sad little clip about the real life quads I feel that I am silly to get too upset by what my pregnant friend says, she can't really help being a but insensitive, she is like that and I know her and I understand it.

I am so tired and feeling like I am struggling to keep up with work and lots of stuff at home but I had a really good day and enjoyed seeing a friend who has four kids, my DD loved being with them all and it was so great.

Hugs and baby dust to all you lovely ladies trying to conceived and warm best wishes to those who had and are busy growing babies.

As time goes on I think of my frosty embies often and now it seems just two months until we will get to the end of the chapter and I will know what will happen. I feel much better and it is good to be able to share with you and the others on the assisted conception thread.

Hugs, to All.

Beginnings sorry to hear about your medical situation and hope you get the help you need. HUGS to you and your little one, did you name your little one yet, just an in the womb name, I mean?

Lissy I meant we called DD Obadiah in the womb, not when she was born!

Rowing thinking of you.

keziah hugs

And to share with people on the forties thread too.

Hi all thanks for the good wishes. Sleep ok woke around 6.00 tried zita west to no avail!!

pocket thanks for the link still think I may travel back from ET with legs in the air
lissy lovely to hear lo moving lots maybe lo is supporting you re the neighbours. I do not understand why some people are so selfish. So glad you have got your cats
pocket thanks for the link deided not to read symptom list to be honest with DS had very litle including movements think he was back facing out and arms and legs inside so non of those 'alien' skin movements. I am lucky too am off until Wed after Christmas though was sort of planned. Still havenot got ready for Christmas yet!!
teds thanks for the good wishes so looking forward to being legs akimboo
beginnings we had put up 2 pop up trees. Ds kept saying we need a green tree with a star on top. fri morning we all went and bought one hope to decorate it today. I love Christmas but am struggling to find a carol service I can attend may just have to be crib service Good luck with the test results and great that you now have a good contact
Italian that made me smile wish I could print those 2 lines off yes am older nearly 42 and in sunny uk. Had ds at 38 thought would fall pregnant quickly after!!! silly really as we were told we would need ICSI to get him but was just centre parks , should have started this journey earlier but think I/we wee in denial hey ho

Hi to all I have missed and lovely Sunday to all

Hi girls, thanks for support regarding the awful neighbors.

Italian- We nicknamed the baby every week, if you can believe it. I got those babycentre.co.uk updates about the growth, and every week they described baby as being the size of a certain vegetable. So every week, we would call the baby "little carrot" or "little eggplant" or something like that, until we found out that we're having a little girl. Now we call her by her name (unless it changes in the next couple of months, but I don't think so). Being Jewish, we've used the initials and/or names of some of our deceased relatives as is tradition. I'll keep you in suspense for a little longer, until it gets closer to my time, and then I will do the big reveal.

Have a great Sunday everyone!

bugsy good luck with your ET today. It's no wonder we all get a bit confused about stuff during this AC malarce - there's just to much to think (and worry) about. go embies go

pocket I'm much more relaxed this time around. Not sure why. Maybe just because it's so close to last time, so I did all the obsessing then? So much so, that i find myself forgetting to take the progesterones! Still, trying to think positive thoughts. I may find myself in a different place on the second week Envious of your month long holiday!!!

Italian so glad you came to a decision about the tests and well done for sticking to your guns. Good that you feel more philosophical about your friend too. I think we can all find ourselves in situations where we say something insensitive and only realise afterwards (or not). I haven't looked at your clips but thanks fir sharing

beginnings I'm sooooo glad to hear from you and that all is well. Shame about the pelvic issues, but good that you have your referral. Yay for getting ready for Xmas. Im normally a last minute Xmas decorations kind of girl, but tis time my nesting instinct has kicked in and I put ours up on the 3rd!

lissy pets are lovely to have. Have you thought of any strategies on how to introduce the baby to the cats? I watch these programmes on Home & Health sometimes about couples bringing their newborn home (I know, I must be mad, but I just love seeing newborn babies) and some of them have cats and/or dogs and some of them get specialists in to advice them what to do. I now know that I need to send some of the babies clothes or stuff to my parents ahead of our first visit, so that their dogs are already used to the smell and my parents holding something with that smell, so they don't come over protective or jealous. Can you book some time off before the baby is born so you can have some quiet time between the two of you?

teds and Lucy hope you are getting spoilt rotten by your DH and can put your feet up.

Hello and chocolate to everyone

Hi everyone, sorry I've been awol - DHs dad was in a very bad accident last weekend so we've been there almost constantly until I got ill with a nasty stomach bug on friday and I'm still recovering. I have only just managed to sit up on my own this morning.

AF arrived yesterday so I've definitely got to have the HSG but my cousin has had it and she said it wasn't that bad, although her DH wasn't allowed in so I'm scared but not terrified.

Hope you are all ok x

Hi all,

Bugsy, good luck with the ET and the ensuing 2ww. There's a lot going on here at the moment.

Italian, as lovely as your friend is, I still think you could/should say something about how difficult you find these conversations. Maybe she just needs a bit of help 'joining the dots'. It's not fair to you to get knocked back by her when you have so much going on, even if it is unintentional.

Beginnings, yay, nice to have you back! How many weeks are you now? We put tree up yesterday too and set ourselves the challenge to use every tree decoration we have, so it looks quite um heavily laden, but lovely. And that nice smell whenever you come into the room, mmmmm.

Pocket when is your test date? I bet it's nice to have lots of time to relax and watch old films, but not so nice to have lots of time to symptom spot.

Lissy, boo hiss to your neighbours. But that's it, gather your evidence and bide your time. Do you use earplugs to sleep? I sometime used to plug in our fan (pointing at the wall) to create some White noise. It dulls the impact of sudden loud noises.

Hi to anyone else I haven't mentioned, especially those on the 2ww.

AFM, ds has chicken pox. I wasn't overly worried about my pregnancy as I had it as a child, but called up nhs direct just for reassurance. They said 'oh, it's very unlikely you'll get it again and put your pregnancy at risk unless you've taken any immune system suppressing drugs recently'. Um yes, two courses of humira actually. So I called the emergency number at ARGC. they said to go in tomorrow. I think they're going to test me for antibodies, and if I don't have any, they can vaccinate. I am regularly coughed and sneezed over by ds, so there's really not much I can do to 'avoid exposure'. Fingers crossed it'll all be ok.

lucy hope tests ok. you should still have immunity so try not to worry too much thinking of you.
sorry quick update and run.
2 grade 2 blasts on board. There was a 3rd but grade 3 so not for freezing. Decided not to put all 3 in had asked dh not to let my emotions at the time to change our decision (ie 2 of good grade). you know how it is you want to give your embies every chance. Have to test early due to Christmas!!!! kind of expected it to be honest

Afternoon lovely ladies

Its so nice to hear about all those Christmas trees going up - its beginning to feel a lot like Christmas around here

Wow Lissy a little girl and a wriggeling little girl at that - how wonderful. I love the family naming tradition too. Hope all goes okay today with your obs appointment - and your glucose results. And that you're neighbours take a long vow of silence from today!!

kesia hope your tests last week and the results all go okay.

Italian you really are a very good soul being so forgiving of your friend. I believe in Karma so something great is coming your way - fx around your tests and next ET

how are you bugsy? Hope those two embies are getting snug go embies go and i hope you're relaxed and enjoying your few days off - I find the afternoon channel 5 movies a helpful distraction.

scrummy glad you're managing to stay chilled!

Josie sorry to hear about your FIL and your bug. Best of luck with the HSG and hopefully you'll be able to move forward quickly?

Lucy poor DS with chicken pox and why oh why do these things come when you're preggers, would be immune except for the immune treatment - aaarrrrgggghhhh?! Hope all goes okay with your testing

Big hello to anyone i've missed

AFM, result is imminent, watch this space and say a prayer go little fella go. I will report back when i know... Thank you again for all your support. You have no idea how grateful i am to each and every one of you

OMG BFP

Let me officially introduce you to Little Fella

Thank you all so much for your kind words and support - especially those who've had tough journeys. Please dont give up hope.

Lots of love to you all