TTC for 10+ months, part 3

[joycep]

The other thread was just about to fill up and so here we are again with a slightly different name now as many of us have been trying for well over 12 cycles now. We had a few great successes on Part 2, with a couple of people getting bfp's on their 17th and 19th month of trying. So let's hope for more successes on Part 3. (Moaning, crying, sadness, anxiety & bitterness is certainly allowed on here!)

Thanks for all the good wishes everyone I'm still the same here, no period no signs of period, am debating whether to POAS tomorrow as I will be 3 days late for AF and also 14 or 15dpo according to monitor or just live in this happy limbo for a bit longer and I dont have to cope with disapointment!

sorry that the drugs and injecting is horrible Joycep I hope it gets easier as you go along.

I agree with Euro whenwill I would phone back and say that it had started to get an appointment sounds like the system is rubbish if you have to wait for months due to them only doing the two days!

Hi all,

just checking in before heading out to my pilates class. After a bit of a blip the other night, I am back to my post AF, pre-2ww positive time of the month. It lasts a whole 7 days .

My fingers are crossed for you skeleton and for you as well hillbillie that the timing is right and sperm meets egg......

Welcome back mrsden. Have I overlooked a post or is pout still missing in action?

mrsd - holland and barrett sell online, I'm not sure they send abroad but may be worth checking. I'm adding cinnamon to my porridge as well plus pumkin seeds. What little bean wouldn't want to nestle in such an inviting environment?! If I do get pregnant this month, with the IUI, I can say that we didn't even need to have sex to get up duffed.
I didn't manage to inject myself. I tried to look at the injection going in but I couldn't even do that. It doesn't hurt when DH does it but it's just something about a needle going in to my skin. Also, it is the same stuff as we would use with IVF. It's called Gonal F but I'm on a low dose. I think with IVF, we would be on quadruple the dosage. I don't whether I'm imagining it but I think she mentioned I may put on weight with it. I have become very very bloated but actually that's not unusual for me. I can feel stuff going on down there as well but like clomid i'm not sure whether it's my imaginination. Terrified I'm over stimulating or my eggs are going to run out!

Congrats hillie on the egg....have fun ce soir!

Things are sounds super positive skele - i can't believe you aren't testing twice a day!

Ladygee - I read the same as you on Manuka.

Waves to everyone else.

I'm another one on the manuka. But I am kicking myself whilst taking it for being so gullible!

I am going to resist the manuka until after my holiday, as I have promised myself I will restrain my spending before hand! After that though -well let's see . Chuckling at the idea of it all being started by their marketing department though.

CD3 here, and I'm bored. But I am drinking wine.

skeleton - OMFG I can't believe you haven't PIAR before now. I am trying so hard NOT to be excited for you (I hope you take that the way it is intended!) but we really do deserve a BFP on this thread :).

Hooray for the egg hillbillie hope you are rather tired and shagged out .

joycep don't beat yourself up re the jabs, I'm pretty sure I'd be exactly the same. And I'm sure it will get easier, give it time :)

Working from home tomorrow, which I hope = MN time!

skeleton any news?? I can't believe how restrained you are not to have POAS. It sounds very promising. I so wish you a huge BFP. I agree with nelly that this thread needs another.

joycep I know I'll be the same when it comes to injecting for ivf. It doesn't matter who does it just as long as it's done so don't beat yourself up over it.

I always feel a bit nervous ordering stuff from abroad online in case the customs stop the package, imagine what they'd think when they open it up to see I'm importing honey! I might buy some organic honey today and try that, I know it's not quite the same but it's the next best thing. I sprinkled cinnamon on mine and DH's ice cream last night. He didn't even notice.

I can't decide if I've ovulated or not. I had a few days of ewcm and have been dry since Monday and I had what I thought was ovulation pain very low down on Monday night. My temp has risen but only to 36.4 so although FF has given me cross hairs and there is a shift, my temp still seems a bit low to be post ovulation to me. I think I'll just have to wait and see if my boobs get sore in the next few days.

Morning lovely ladies!

First things first: skelly did you POAS? It sounds very hopeful so fingers crossed for our next BFP, I agree with the others that we are overdue one!!

Well done for egg production hillie and I would have canceled the dinner guests. I hope you temporarily could have a ceasefire over coming with you to the gyn, and DTD, and continue hostilities whilst it is nesting.

about the manduka honey rumour being started by their marketing department, although I admit, the foot cream sounds nice. For my dose of woo, I made an appointment with the acu lady for the week after next (and if I still feel this apprehensive about it, I am allowed to cancel it!)

I feel so sorry for you joycep and you have scared me quite a bit with your tales of injection trouble. I am just keeping fingers crossed for a perfect egg and a sexless pg at the end of the month.

Glad to have you back mrsd and good to hear you had a good holiday! Sorry the manduka is nowhere to be found near you, but really how much of a difference could it make? I am with nelly on the resisting it for now. Only one type of woo at a time... Good to hear you are in a good place, albeit temporarily, madness. I generally keep it up for at least a week past ov. But then I don't really keep track of ov (as we are still on the very other day thing and no worrying strategy, so it is all a bit less clear). I am with the white lie crows re: HSG whenwill. What a pain, also for ladygee and who-was-it on the sexban... At our hospital they only do two days as well, but at least those are Tues and Thurs, which gives a bit more of a spread in the week (and is very handy for shorty cyclers like myself!

Thanks for the sympathetic responses to the to POAS or not to POAS dilemma for sudafed taking purposes... I decided POAS was ridiculous, but I was still to paranoid to overdose on sudafed. So I have been struggling on with steaming and cooking hot curries to blow open the old sinuses. I am loads better now, though, but have passed the germs on to DH, which bothers me a) for SWI purposes, b) because this cold comes with a few days of fever, which is bad and c) because he is feeling poorly. In that order, yes...

Waves at everyone, including AWOL pout and apologies for half-hearted name checking - quickly MNing before my office mates arrive!

X-post with mrsd waves and smiles at the customs surprise at packets of honey. Although considering the stuff my mum sent after me across several continents many years ago, I reckon you are okay...

Haha lemon when I lived abroad, my visitors used to bring me Dairy Milk, Jaffa Cakes, Earl Grey tea bags,the last couple of weeks Sunday Times, and several packs of Quorn sausages . And as much red wine as they could fit in, as it was so expensive there!

mrsd that sounds like my ovulation. I don't temp but notice the EWCM and the mittleschmerz; my Day 21 test confirmed I ovulated pretty much right when I thought I did, so that's enough of an indicator for me.

Any news this morning skelly?

And where is pout?

Agrees with Lemon about how much difference could this honey actually make ...apart from denting your purse so don't worry mrsd that you can't find any. Also i would continue swi mrsd until your temps go up a bit more just to cover bases.

Lemon - sorry to have scared you...I'm just being really pathetic. It really doesn't hurt and if my life depended on it, I'm sure I could do it with no problem. Anyway, pleased you're feeling better. I still stand by my theory that it's easier to get pregnant when you're ill as your body is too busy fighting off the bugs rather than sperm and an implanting bean.

Envious of people who live abroad. Would love to do that. Also would like to work at home every now and again nelly - lucky you!!

But if you lived abroad joycep you wouldn't be able to find the all important manuka honey (unless you lived in NZ!) I have decided I am going to use normal honey because I just remembered that one of my pregnant friends has always added a tablespoon of honey to her museli and she got pregnant straight away so that is scientific proof that it works! I read something about royal jelly supplements being good too and I did see them in the health food shop yesterday but there is something that makes me feel a bit bleugh about taking something that is fed to a queen bee. My brother once told me when I was about 5 that honey comes out of bees bums and ever since I've really hated it even though I know now that's not true. It's not is it?

I will try and keep up the SWI for another couple of days. But it was hard going last night, I asked DH if he was almost there several times . Sometimes I wish he could be a bit quicker about it all, but he still seems to enjoy it all. I did enjoy it up until Monday so that makes me think I was in the fertile phase then or it could just be because I was in holiday mood still.

pout I hope all is ok with you, we miss you!

CD1 for me. AF got me in the night, as I expected she would. But on the bright side, that was another 13 day luteal phase. It was 11 days when I started the acu 6 months ago.

PS - you might be right about the body being less able to fight off sperm and embryos when you are ill but I think it might be more difficult to persuade someone to impregnate you when you are a snotty mess!

euro - sorry about AF...but that's realy good about yuor LP. Out of interest how long did the acupuncture take to get your LP up to 13 days..? I gave acu about 2 months and it didn't do anything so i gave up. I wonder whether i should have done it for longer.

ah mrsd proof indeed. I've actually always added honey to my porridge but it's the sainsbury stuff so that's why it hasn't been working. I'm slightly put off by the bees bum thing that your bro once told you...I can see why that may put you off for life. I always thought they sicked it back up from their stomach! Lovely thought and just as offputting. I was also reading up on Royal Jelly. I just don't like the sound of it but no doubt that will be my next woooo. In fact wasn't it Pout who was popping bee pollen.
Feel for you with the swi malarky. I haven't had any in nearly 3 weeks due to thrush issues. I feel sorry for DH.

Sympathy for AF arrival euro, it is rubbish... I managed to persuade a certain someone, or actually he convinced me the other day, despite snottiness. I am debating the ethics of SWI whilst off sick and thus very pleased with the theory of germ-investation = immediate pregancy joycep. I combined it with loads of lemon and honey (not Manduca, but lovely stuff we imported from hols in April, but it is quite solid, so needs to be melted) and must therefore be (nearly) upduffed. Keep up the good work mrsd with SWI and no it does not come out of bees bums (I don't think so anyhow).

Recognition nelly but add into the mix black treacle, the guardian magazine (when it was fab about 8 yrs ago), and mini eggs. :)

sorry about AF euro but good news about your LP length. I wonder how acu works, my logical head can't get around it but then I hear so many success stories that makes me think there must be something to it.

Is manuka a clear or a cloudy honey? I'm going to try and buy something that looks similar and convince myself it is the same stuff. But now I'm going to think of bee sick thanks to joycep I think I prefer my brother's version.

3 weeks off SWI sounds lush to me joycep but sorry to hear about the thrush. Have you not got it sorted yet? Maybe honey is a magic cure for that too.

i clearly have a low sex drive as i haven't missed it at all mrsd! It takes two weeks for DH to get rid of it and i'm pretty sure i didn't get rid of it although it all feels fine down there again but i worry that sex will flare it up again. I don't want dh to run off with another woman so i may have to give in tonight....i've been pretending i still have AF .
Manuka looks like melted gold in a pot. It's a very deep gold colour and it's very thick..sick yum yum

At those prices, it maybe IS melted gold in a pot . Worth it if it works though, surely...! Even if it is bee sick/poo. I still love honey, whatever you tell me about how it gets made. I particularly love the stuff from areas with lots of lavendar.

Sorry about AF euro. You sound relatively ok about it though? I think some months are easier than others; though perhaps I am mistaking equanimity for resignation? The at the start of your post is probably the clue :(. That IS good news about your LP though, I think if I'm not up-duffed soon I might give acu a bit of a shot. My (shhh) hobby pet is about to be treated to a whole raft of physio/chiro/dental/massage work and treatments, so perhaps I should make equal investment in my own wellbeing.

Example - I go for torture leg and bikini waxing once a month. Every time I go, I think ooh I should book in for a nice massage or facial; but in fact have had one of each in about the last two years. My HH on the other hand (hobby horse) gets new shoes EVERY 6 WEEKS and .

There is an imbalance in this house for sure; even if it's not my hormones!

joycep it went to 12 almost straight away. There has been one month of 11 since then (which I put down to either FF getting my ov day wrong or me oving at 1am or something so there was an extra 23 hrs IYSWIM). And then after about 4 months it moved to 13. I thought it was a fluke (the reverse of my 1am theory) but it has just happened again, so it seems to have moved by 2 days which I think is pretty good in LP terms.

I have no idea how it works. And most of the time I don't feel anything during my treatments (once I did feel a kind of "buzz"). But it seems to be doing something.

Sorry about af euro hope you're ok. I think you and me have been trying for about the same amount of time.

I'm already out of my slumpy weepy mood but in a very bad mood with trying for a baby. Ffs who knew it would be such an ongoing battle! Today had day5 blood test. I'm not even sure what they're looking for anymore. It took three tries to find a vein and I've bruises running up both arms. I did think of you joycep! I feel like I'm jumping through the hoops of the barren. Two weeks until the dreaded hycosy (thank you peeps for making me feel better about it). And FOREVER til I shag with intent. No worthy ovulation until Halloween, which is my anniversary and the anniversary of tentatively shagging without a condom. Actually that is a lie, that nightnwenbith just passed out in a drunken slump. Can't believe we will hit the year mark. But we are going to go away that weekend which will be nice.

skeleton how's it going?!

I have a tub of 20+ manuka honey, I've been having in herb teas once a day for years, I swear it keeps colds away. I'm not sure I could bear having it off a teaspoon, but if one of the manuka gang get pregnant I may well give it a shot!

Today I did a wee on a stick because I felt sick and was curious about my one day period. It wasnt even a cheap one. That is my confession for the day. I think if I ever see two lines I wont known what to do with myself. I can't imagine how it must feel.

nelly book a facial! In fact, we should all as a collective group choose a nice thing we are going to do with ourselves this cycle. Tomorrow I'm going to book a pedicure and have pretty toes. Whos in with me? it does feel like our cycles are aligning - how strange is that!

wine we "offically" started trying on NYE which happened to be just before ov time (I wasn't charting back then but have always been able to feel it). So I guess it has "only" been 9 months (10 cycles). But for a couple of years before that we were using rhythm/withdrawal badly. I've always had somewhat irregular cycles so predicting my fertile time without OPKs or temping was pretty pointless. And I reckon it was during this period that I came closest - I got implantation bleeding and dizziness for a few days and then started bleeding properly. That was 9 months before we properly started trying and I wish I could go back to those days of blissful ignorance when I had never heard of a luteal phase and wondered what the hell was going on when I started bleeding watery pink blood for the first (and last) time in my life having never heard of implantation bleeding!

Hi all. quick post while i'm waiting for a lift home. well last nite nearly didnt happen! ! Friends fortunately cancelled, but we just kept getting a fit of giggles every time we got near each other! if a baby ever comes out of that evening it should at least have a sense of humour!
Manuka honey asda £5.98! Make a quick stampeed!
window of opportunity night 2 tnite. nothing like pressire is there! wondering what can make sperm swim faster maybe i'll cook with honey tnite! .
skeleton what news??????

Hi lovelies, I have once again fallen behind...everything moves so quickly, I have been reading but haven?t had chance to post so I?ll try and be brief.
joycep sorry the needle thing is so horrible. I am not that bad with them generally but think I would really struggle to inject myself so you have my sympathy
skeleton I am quietly getting excited for you, I hope you POAS soon and get a very clear BFP, it would be wonderful for you and would cheer the rest of us up.
mrsd welcome back. I am glad you had a lovely holiday. We missed you.
nelly tumblewomb, ha ha. I always think about Monica in Friends having an ?inhospitable environment?. Your horse sounds very pampered, how lovely, but I definitely think you deserve a bit of the pampering too.
hillbillie glad you managed to DTD despite giggling fits!
Loving all the Manuka honey chat, I need to get involved with that bee sick.
lemon don?t worry about the acu, it?s really fine and you just get to chat/blather on about all your ttc woes and the needles don?t hurt.
wine sorry about your BFN and long time til next SWI. Much as I get annoyed with myself for doing it I think sometimes you have to POAS and just get it out of your system. You just need that scientific proof you?re not pg even though you already know it in your heart.

I saw my acu lady tonight. It was fine, feeling very spaced out now though. We chatted a bit about the immune system stuff, she said that if you are stressed/have a poor diet your immune system is on high alert and is more likely reject the sperm DNA.
Also (gets very woo here, sorry) talked about that thing where people stop thinking about TTC because of a move/new dog/holiday/job etc etc and then get upduffed when they least expect it. Predictably she had examples of when this has happened to her clients. Her theory is that when you focus on TTC and put the rest of your life on hold you ?stagnate? and its not good for the body, which needs a constant flow of energy and to feel like it is moving through life rather than waiting for stuff to happen. Whilst I appreciate the complete lack of any science behind this, it is interesting how anecdotally it happens to so many people, and I can really relate to it, the feeling of sitting around waiting to get preggars and then the sheer frustration when it doesnt happen. I wouldnt be surprised if it does have an effect on your body.

Shit popcorn - that mean's that the "relax and it'll happen" guff supportive advice that everyone spouts is actually true .

Flippancy aside, I'm sure to some degree it probably is true. I know I've been trying hard to focus on HH rather than TTC. I'm also about to have a second interview for a new job in an attempt to tempt the law of sod (same company though, so no loss of benefits, maybe that's not enough tempting?). No matter what I do though, the thought of my tumblewomb (TM) is always there.

Hillbillie glad you and OH are back to being friends again :). I like the giggling sex - it makes me feel young! Who knows, maybe it will trick our eggs into feeling that way, too?

skelly I am hoping so so much that you haven't posted today because you are still sitting on the loo staring at a double-lined pee stick, 12 hours after you went in there. Mind you, perhaps we have all scared you off with the whole obsessive stalking of your POAS activity .

popcorn and nelly I think the thing about giving up trying is probably grounded in some truth, it does kind of make sense. Although I'm sure there are thousands of stressing ttcers who worried and stressed themselves all the way to a bfp in the end. The trouble is, I can't stop thinking about ttc so it's a vicious circle. Even if I tried to give up, I'd only be pretending which I'm sure doesn't count! Have been thinking about some hypnotherapy, am I going a bit too far? Thought it might help me to switch of the anxiousness. dh is dubious. He's worried they might tell me to make chicken noises whe. I go shopping.