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Mourning our angel babies but still hoping for the future: let the swi commence!

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TooImmature2BMum · 21/06/2011 19:40

This is a thread for those of us on the bereaved mother's thread who want a place to moan about the perils of ttc without upsetting anyone over there. We've gone through at least one pregnancy, and we know what it is to hold a baby whose eyes will never open, or to have lost a baby after a few days, weeks or years. We know the fear, but we're going to go ahead and do it anyway. And then do it again, especially in the middle of the month!

Newcomers will be welcomed with all the hand-holding and wisdom we can summon up - and that's a lot! Come in and join us: the door is always open.

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ciwi · 05/07/2011 17:02

hi cupoftea glad you have decided to join here, I was going to mention it to you but didn't know if you were ready or not. When I lost my little boy I was desperate to be pregnant again and wanted to try as soon as possible but I also know that not everyone feels that way. I fell pg after about 4 months but unfortunately that ended in a mc and now ttc again and driving myself mad symptom spotting as af is due on sun. Hope everything goes ok for you tommorrow x

MelMal · 05/07/2011 17:28

Hi cup of tea, hope you get the answers you're looking for. We certainly found a degree of relief after we got ours and it def helped me to move on. Fx'd for this wee soul. I'm using Sands and my DH is coming too which I think really helps him as you forget how much they're hurting too.

Bluetinkerbell · 05/07/2011 17:43

well that was a bit :( I have a bladder infection and got antibiotics prescribed. GP didn't even ask how I was. MW had arranged me a sick note so I asked for that at reception but it wasn't ready yet, receptionist went back in to GP and got it written. Hope he feels bad now!
So I didn't really had the chance to ask about counselling. I just felt like a number on the list and like I had to be dealt with quickly. :(
In the pharmacy I had a bit of an awkward moment when the pharmacist asked whether I had to pay for my prescription. I ummed and erred and said I don't know... I still have my maternity exemption certificate... but I had a late miscarriage 2 weeks ago and nobody has told me I need to send it back. The pharmacist looked at me and said sorry and then asked to see the certificate and said I didn't need to pay...

ciwi · 05/07/2011 17:47

blue that happened to me at the pharmacy, I just burst into tears and they just gave me it anyway to get rid of me i think! Do you have a good GP in the practice you can go to to ask about counselling? I find female GP's are slightly better at dealing with that kind of thing x

janedoe25 · 05/07/2011 17:52

oh blue hope you feel better soon. I gto your fb request, love your profile pic!

cupoftea Welcome to the thread, i am sorry to hear about your little girl. My baby girl Zoe was born asleep at 41 weeks 4 months ago. There was a problem with the placenta, it hadn't matured properly and wasn't providing Zoe with enough Oxygen and nutrients. We also found out she had downs syndrome, therefore we are at a higher risk of subsequent children having ds too.

greenzebra · 05/07/2011 19:41

cupoftea welcome, so sorry to hear of your little one, Im still waiting for the post mortem of our little girl Ophelia, she was still born 10 weeks ago and they have said it can take up to 12 weeks for the results to come back. Its terrible waiting.

blue I used my card the other day at the dentist, didnt want to but didnt have enough money to pay, thought I would get alot of questions but she asked me nothing. I felt terrible using it like I was betraying the reason for it, and I was hurt and glad all at the same time when they asked me nothing about my baby.

Went to have my scan today, was in and out very quickly. The fibroids were still there and have srunk to pre pregnancy size which is good, was hoping they might have disappeared all together but hey. So that means my uterus is back to normal. Also she said that it looked fine and normal so she sees no reason why I couldnt fall pregnant again. So all good news.

greenzebra · 05/07/2011 20:03

My NCT antenatal group are all still friends and we have a facebook page. When Ophelia died we decided to take a back seat, she was the firs to be born and didnt want to upset the other mums to be, they are all happily and healthly delivered. They are all meeting up this thursday at a local coffee house, I think I want to go. Im in two minds about it. Would love to meet all their babies and I think I am strong enough now, but would they be ok with it. I mean if I ask them they will just say yes because they are being nice but would I be cramping their style? Do any of you guys still keep in touch with their groups?

janedoe25 · 05/07/2011 20:41

green that is so brave of you! A bit different but i still post and keep up with my ante-natal thread on here. I just decided to take a break from it as i was starting to find it hard hearing about the babies developing and reaching their milestones.

Bluetinkerbell · 05/07/2011 20:43

How do you cope with people staring at you and not saying anything? I sometimes feel like I'm going paranoid as I constantly have the feeling people are looking and talking about me.
And how do you tell people? I mean like my neighbours. I see them several times and they just say hello and how are you? So I do the same back and say I'm ok.
I can't really say, well actually I'm not, we lost our baby 2 weeks ago.
Surely they must notice I don't look pregnant anymore. But can you drop a bombshell like that on people?

I'm still on the ante-natal november thread and joined their FB group as well. At the moment I still feel ok with it!

HorseyGirl1 · 05/07/2011 21:34

In RL I look after animals and the amount of people who notice that something isn't quite right at home and mention it. I mostly just say I was ill last year and that is usually enough to get them to change the subject. If they really start to push for more, I say I was pregnant last year but I had a miscarriage - I got someone to clear out some drains in Jan and they mentioned my animals and I just started to cry and cry and told them the whole thing. Not a usual day at work for a digger driver I expect! But it was one of those *** days and he was actually really kind to me. It is hard for people to know what to say.
One of my neighbours had a baby on board sign on her car but the baby never came home. I don't know her at all other than to say hello but wish I could say more. What could I say though, oh I'm sorry you lost your baby, I lost mine too. She is pregnant again though and I will make sure I say to her how well she looks because it cheered me up so much to see it. If it happened for her maybe it will happen for us too.
I stopped all the daily updates immediately I lost my pregnancy and took all my books back to the library. 'the house with contented twins' never seemed such a mockery for me. It's not an easy one Bluetinkerbell, some will ask and you'll be able to tell but others you just won't want to. xx

HorseyGirl1 · 05/07/2011 21:40

Most people stare because they're trying to work out if you were pregnant or not I think.

ciwi · 06/07/2011 09:33

Morning everyone,
How is everyone today?
I went to see my friends little baby girl yesterday (first time i have seen a newborn since we lost our baby boy)and it went really well. I was worried I would get upset but I didn't at all. Am off to the docs this afternoon about my mid cycle bleeding, really hope she says its nothing to worry about and it wont affect me getting pg.
I am now on cd 24 and in the test or not to test dilemma. A bfn is so heartbreaking but i also dont want to be caught out by the witch and i just want to know!

CheeseandGherkins · 06/07/2011 11:04

Hi cupoftea welcome

I'm not too bad today, another BFN and on day 36 now; feeling so tired all the time even though I'm sleeping really well. Also had a headache for a few days. Convincing myself that I'm pregnant but I can't be as I would have tested positive by now. Been having tea and chocolate this morning to console myself!

ciwi same, it's not knowing that's annoying, I had a BFN but without AF showing up you just don't know. I'm hoping for a shorter cycle next time if I'm not pregnant. All this waiting is so hard

Blue I felt quite out of place on my old ante natal thread, I was 37 weeks and everyone was either having their babies or waiting the final weeks and I just felt wrong being there. I didn't want to make them feel uncomfortable or worried so I just left it. :( I avoided going out for weeks at first, people knew though, news gets about round here quite quickly.

TooImmature2BMum · 06/07/2011 12:28

Hi Cupoftea, so sorry about your little girl. Does she have a name?

Blue, I remember DH saying to me in the hospital that it felt like everyone he passed was staring at him. He had to go out and fetch things from the car or go to the shop and so on - I stayed in the room the whole time and only left it to go home. It is people that you don't know so well - neighbours, acquaintances - that are the problem, because everyone else knows. The feeling passes, but if I'm surrounded by people who don't know me, I find it hard not to blurt it out, like the Ancient Mariner.

I had a very long day yesterday - went to my first counselling session; bumped into a work friend who had her baby 7 weeks ago in the street and went back to hers for a cup of tea; and went back to see the consultant to get more blood taken. The counselling went well - the woman was very sympathetic and easy to talk to. She actually looked like she was going to cry at one point! It was draining, though - because it was the first session I had to tell her the whole story so she knew what was going on, and that was hard. I was just on the very verge of tears the whole time.

Then when I came out I got in the car, drove down the street and suddenly spotted my friend with her pram on the corner. The last time I saw her was at Thea's funeral, when she was about 8 months pregnant. Her little boy was very cute - like you, Ciwi, it was the first time I had held a newborn since it happened. He was cute but Thea was much more beautiful. I may be biased, but I don't care! She asked me if I wanted to hold him and I said yes, and I didn't get upset at the time but then once I was home in bed I did, a bit. I kept thinking about how he started to grizzle a little when she went out of the room, so I got up and bounced him gently and she came back in and said 'oh, you've got the touch' because he was quiet. I wanted to use that touch on my own baby! (It's not a magic touch, it's learned behaviour from having 3 little half-siblings. I'm 18 years older than the eldest of them and so I learned a lot about soothing babies during my uni holidays.)

Anyway, then I went off to the hospital and the consultant told me they had found something else in my blood tests that was slightly abnormal. I am fed up of being slightly abnormal! I wish they would either come up with a clear diagnosis or else give me a clean bill of health! This is something else to do with my kidneys and I'm not very clear what. The consultant did say that she deals with pregnant women with only one tiny bit of functioning kidney and they have babies ok, so I should be fine because they know both my kidneys look normal, but it is just so frustrating!

And she admitted that the MW neglected a whole raft of tests/monitoring that I should have had when I was admitted. She should have done the urine dip, for starters, and when that showed protein, as it almost certainly would have, she ought to have referred me to a doctor and done a lot more listening to Thea's heartbeat. Given that she hadn't done the urine dip, she still shouldn't have just stuck me in a room and left me alone for 3 hours. She ought to have been in every 15 minutes listening to the heartbeat. She also ought to have offered me more stringent monitoring. She ought to have listened to Thea's heartbeat for longer in the first place - ie, through a contraction.

My head is swirling - sorry for the giant post!

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greenzebra · 06/07/2011 13:01

tooimm I bet thats so hard to hear, and to keep hearing that this went the wrong way. I just want to give you a hug and tell you to rant on here all you like.

The swi started this morning for this month, testing ov early as thing I ov'd early last time, fx crossed for everyone.

ciwi · 06/07/2011 13:03

what a busy day too, you must be shattered! My little boy was well cuter than my friends baby too and I don't care if I have my mummy blinkers on :). Hope your bloods get sorted but it seems like the docs are not too bothered by it so i wouldnt worry too much. did you get pre eclampsia?
I had my first counselling session yesterday too, i was so tired and emotionally drained after it. i have arranged to go back but the counsellor really got on my nerves asking stuid questions like 'did you give him a name' (i know not everyone does but the question still annoys me) the worst one was 'did you have to go through labour and deliver him' I felt like saying 'no, he just dissapeared' What an idiot!

ciwi · 06/07/2011 13:07

cheese i hope you get to know one way or another soon. it's so annoying I am convincing myself i am pg but then worrying its all in my head and i will be dissapointed. i am determined not to test yet though, its horrible seeing a bfn

Bluetinkerbell · 06/07/2011 13:11

oooh ciwi how inconsiderate of your counsellor! I think I will ask for an appointment with my GP next week to talk about counselling.

TooImmature2BMum · 06/07/2011 14:13

Ciwi, you poor thing! My counsellor asked some of those questions too but she did it in such a sympathetic way that I didn't mind. I explained to her that I had wanted a Caesarean but they had said no, it was too dangerous for me because they didn't know what had caused Thea's death, so I had to go through with the birth anyway. It certainly hadn't occurred to me before to wonder how stillborn babies were born - I was completely shocked by the notion that I was going to have to carry on in pain and give birth and maybe wind up with forceps, stitches, tears etc without any baby to show for it. I think most people have just never considered the practicalities of it until someone tells them.

The consultant thinks that if I did have pre-eclampsia, it was very mild - ie, I was in no serious danger and it wasn't enough to account for Thea's death. That said, she also said that I would be at 'moderate' risk of pre-eclampsia the next time because of these small abnormalities they've found in my kidney function. The issue is that the midwife didn't know that I wasn't developing pre-eclampsia, because she didn't do the urine test. My blood pressure was normal, though, which is why they think I didn't have it. She told me one useful thing, though - she said that a Caesarean was safer for the baby, but a normal delivery was safer for me. That made my mind up - next time, I want an elective Caesarean. So roll on the next time!

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cupoftea123 · 06/07/2011 14:31

Hi everyone, thanks for helping me feel so welcome.
I'm really moved to hear what you're all going through.
So we had our consultant appointment this morning, it turned out to be with the same bloke who gave us the awful news that our little girl had died in the scan room. I feel like he's a bad omen, and well he's one of those doctors with no interest in showing compassion, so he got on my nerves. The news however is that our baby had turners syndome, which affects little girls, apprarently there's a problem with the sex chromasome and they never develop properly in the womb. I think there was a long list of defects which he didn't go into fully, but he mentioned heart problems as one of them. The news that I'd been waiting for was that neither of us are carriers. There is however a recurrance risk of 1 in 100, but my DH tells me that the chances of having two consecutive experiences of these is 1 in ten thousand. That's more reassuring odds.
It's wierd I expected to be elated but I don't feel that at all, if anything it's brought back more feelings of sadness for our loss and anger that it's taken so bloody long to give us that turners information. The consultant said that next time a normal 12 week scan would show any signs of turners syndrome and I wouldn't need the downs test, and then another scan with him at 16 weeks. The idea of going into a scan room again and meeting him is something I never want to do! I know it's normal to have irrational feelings of anger, I think it helps to direct it at someone.

melmal I'm glad you felt relief after your PM, I'm waiting for mine to kick in, it might take a few hours or days or weeks!
blue I feel for your maternity exemption dilema, I still have mine in my purse but have avoided using it, even though I feel entitled to.
greenzebra I'm sorry I don't know what to suggest re your NCT group as I lost my little girl at an earlier stage to a lot of you. I did however feel very angry towards my NCT organiser when she sent an email asking whether I was going to join up and if I wasn't why not. I thought it was really inconsiderate of them not to even mention the possibility of a loss. So I wrote back very bluntly and to be fair she sent a kind email with lots of links to places like SANDS etc.
tooimm We had a name for our little girl, we didn't officially name her though at the cremation service as it felt quite private, ironically we'd wanted to call her Hope, as I'd had a 12 week miscarriage last year and obviously we had been hoping... it's funny though as I almost want to save the name for if we have a little girl in the future, I'm a bit confused about that one, but I'm sure I'll know what to do in the future.
ciwi I'm sorry you found the counselling really difficult, you might not agree with me but I wanted to say that I think that's a really normal reaction to feel angry with them. Since our loss I've felt angry with so many people for doing the slightest things that I thought were the most abhorrant (sp?) The one person who's been in the firing line sadly has been my DH. I've found it easier to get angry rather than upset. I've experienced a few years of therapy and if you can bear to be honest with them about how irritated you are with them that might help. You'll know what's best.

I now need to apologise for this epic post, it was obviously most needed, thanks for reading X

CheeseandGherkins · 06/07/2011 16:45

Thanks ciwi me too, I have no idea what's going on. Your counsellor doesn't sound very good! How insensitive.

Too (hugs) that must have been hard for you to hear :(

cupoftea it's a lot to take in for you and I'm not surprised you don't feel elated. (hugs)

ciwi · 06/07/2011 17:49

cupoftea glad you got your results and I suppose it will take a while to sink in. Luckily our consultant was away when I was in hospital so I don't associate him with losing our baby, particularly good when I know he is in the best position to look after me next time as he is an expert on pre eclampsia. Can you request another consultant for next time?
Well I got good news at the docs i suppose, she thinks it's just ovulation bleeding I have been getting and it won't affect my chances of conceiving. I suppose it will also save me a fortune on ov tests too - lol. Unfortunately she wants to do a smear and an internal just to make sure there is nothing else causing it - oh the joys. need to go back in the middle of my next cycle but I am still hoping I am pg and I can't fx

TooImmature2BMum · 06/07/2011 19:32

That's good news, Ciwi and like you say, you will be pregnant next month so you can't have the smear etc!

Cupoftea - the results are horribly hard to deal with, especially when it is something like that. If Turners can be seen during the 12 week scan, why didn't they pick it up this time? I know how you feel about waiting and waiting for results - why does it have to take so bloody long?

You can request another consultant if you want to - I am going to. In fact, I am going to request to be cared for by an entirely different hospital. I just don't trust anyone in the RIE to actually do their job properly. I can go to St John's in Livingston, which is maybe 45 minutes away instead of 20, and which has an excellent maternity reputation, unlike the RIE which is constructed on the quantity rather than quality principle. Even when they had diagnosed Thea's death they still continued to make mistakes - forgetting to give me an anti-nausea jab until I threw up all over the floor, forgetting to connect up one of the drips going into me. If DH hadn't noticed that one needle going into my wrist wasn't connected to anything goodness knows how long it would have been before they clocked it. Besides, my consultant is going off on maternity leave herself in September so she won't be there even if I wanted her. Assuming I get pregnant again quickly, that is!

Ohh, a month is so bloody long! I am going to wind up testing ridiculously early at this rate!

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ciwi · 06/07/2011 20:37

I know, i am already thinking next month will be so long if i am not pg this month. Boobs are quite sore and heavy so I am really hoping its a sign but it could just be the witch. Aaaarrrggghh, i wan't to test but don't want a bfn

MelMal · 06/07/2011 20:44

Too we were told that there was a simple test that they can do at the 12 wk scan to determine risks of placental attachment issues but that they won't do it (even if requested) as it just causes anxiety. But surely if there is some problem then they can adapt the care to suit the pregnancy? Made me quite angry to think that if they had checked this with Ruby, they could have advised on the wonder drug that is junior aspirin and things just might have been that wee bit different Angry

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