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CLOMID GANG - the new thread

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Roobedoo · 12/11/2005 21:43

This should be clomid and IUI (for Katierocket) thread. Hoping this one will be luckier than the last - can't be any worse, don't think we had a single BFP did we?

Lots and lots and lots of luck to us all.

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Jen28 · 28/11/2005 22:28

Kiera - My gyn/ob said it is 6 doses of Clomid that you are allowed to have assuming none of them results in a pregnancy. She was prepared to allow me 8 in total b/c I fell pregnant (but m/c unfortunately) on dose 5. However she said there were other drugs we could try after Clomid.

I didn't really respond well to Clomid (didn't ovulate for first two months on 50mg, then went onto 100mg and ovulated but didn't conceive, then still didn't ovulate, then after fourth cycle on Clomid had an HSG which showed the tubes were fine, then on fifth cycle went for a scan every 2-3 days to monitor the ovaries and then finally ovulated on about day 21 ... and conceived ... then had the m/c). So I decided to get off the merrygoround and went for acupuncture instead! For the first time in my life I noticed fertile mucus and had a regular 32-34 day cycle. The acupuncture was amazing! We conceived first month trying and DS is 14m today.

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Jen28 · 28/11/2005 22:52

Kiera - Just checked one of my reference books by an American doctor which says you can have 12 consecutive cycles on Clomid before increasing risk of ovarian cancer due to its stimulatory effect. UK guidelines may be different. HTH. Good luck!

katierocket · 29/11/2005 15:08

Oh Loubie, how lovely, really pleased for you. jetting off to the sun during winter time too

mincepee - as loubie says, it's usually ovulatory problems that cause consultants to prescribe CLomid although I was prescribed it even though I am ovulating to give my eggs "a boost". Didn't work though!

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Roobedoo · 29/11/2005 20:29

Wow Loubie - how exciting for you and am v jealous of your holiday.

Went for scan today and expected the usual few follicles but I'm nowhere near ovulating for some reason and have to go back next week. Clomid is doing very strange things to my cycle. Asked for an appointment with the Consultant - got one in February! Blimey - glad I asked now rather than waiting until the New Year. The Nurse told me the next thing for me will be a laparoscopy but I would have to have a general anaesthetic for that which I'm not at all sure about. I'm hoping there are other things available but I'll have to wait and see.

Katierocket - how are you getting on with giving yourself injections? You're very brave.

Lunarsea - have you started on the clomid yet? Hope you're not suffering any ill effects.

Mincepee - one of my friends has suffered loads of m/c like you and I do feel for you. I hope clomid works for you - I have heard it is prescribed for short luteal phases.

Anyway, hope everyone is well.

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MeerkatsUnite · 30/11/2005 07:45

Roobedoo,

Unfortunately it sounds like you've become resistant to clomid. It should be given anyway with a degree of caution to PCOS patients.

Am glad you've got an appointment with the cons albeit in February. You both need to talk through your options re treatment asap.

Having now had two ops under GA I would say the fear of same is far worse than the reality.

katierocket · 01/12/2005 15:48

well I've been told my treatment is very likely to be cancelled. I had a scan today (day 8) and there are 3 follicles. If they have all grown by Sat (rather than just one or two) then it will be cancelled. Utterly gutted. I can't get bloody pregnant on my own and but I can't seem to have treatment.

LunarSea · 01/12/2005 16:12

fingers crossed for you Katie.

bubbly1973 · 01/12/2005 20:31

katierocket, i over stimulated on my 1st cycle, but they got rid of some of my follicles on day of insemination...is there any chance your clinic will do this for you?

hope you dont mind me asking, but are you a private patient?

i never got charged extra for this procedure, and like you i was so worried that they would cancell my treatment, i had soooo many large follicles but they just got rid of some...worth asking your clinic

good luck

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Roobedoo · 01/12/2005 22:29

I don't believe it Katie - that's awful. Why is 3 follicles so bad anyway - it's pretty unlikely they'd hit them all. Is there anything stopping you BD? Maybe you'll get lucky anyway if there are 3 juicy eggs ready and willing. Could they give you an injection like I have to release them so you can time the BD right? Sorry if I'm rambling, just been late night shopping and finished it off with two big glasses of wine - lovely!

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katierocket · 02/12/2005 09:19

that's really interesting bubbly - they've never even mentioned that (yes I'm private). How do they get rid of them? They are just saying that it's their protocol that if there is more than 2 then they won't do the insemination.

I did think about that roobeedo (the BDing I mean). They say to only have protected sex (I guess because of risk of multiple pregnancy). I do have the HCG injection to pop out the egg they will tell me not to use it if it appears I have overstimulated.

katierocket · 02/12/2005 10:28

just bumping in case bubbly is around - would be interested to learn more

bubbly1973 · 02/12/2005 10:32

katie, i may have written it down in detail on my iui diary which is somewhere on this section, but briefly what they do is have you in an hour earlier than you would have gone in for insemination, give you a drug so you dont feel nothing, then insert a very fine needle which goes through your vagina wall onto the follicles and they suck out the fluid ...they scan you all this time to make sure they only suck out certain ones leaving the best ones in, easy simple procedure, i think its called follicle reduction

if your clinic doesnt do it, then i would honestly have to say id look at going somewhere else on your next treatment, somewhere where there policy is that they will do a follicle reduction

to be honest 3 isnt too bad, i cant believe they will cancel your whole treatment!!!

with all these drugs, i think its awfully hard to try to just have 2 eggs,

good luck, and id definitly put my foot down with them and insist that they do a follicle reduction, they must have that procedure in there clinic surely

bubbly1973 · 02/12/2005 10:33

sorry, i should add that after that procedure, they insert the sperm, so all done in one go really

katierocket · 02/12/2005 11:01

thanks bubbly, I thought the same to be honest (about 3 eggs not being that much). I'm pretty sure they don't do follicle reduction - no one has ever mentioned it. I will go and ask!
Thanks

bubbly1973 · 02/12/2005 11:04

katie let us know how you get on, i feel very angry on your behalf, this treatment doesnt have to be cancelled! what other clinics are around you, what is the clinic called that your with, where is it?

katierocket · 02/12/2005 11:12

thanks bubbly. I just rang them and spoke to a nurse. She says they have never offered that procedure but she doesn't know why. I have asked them to get the consultant to ring me just to explain why they don't offer it.
If it turns out that they don't then I'll just have to accept it this time but then i will look around for a different clinic.
I'm in manchester - the clinic is MSF. There is another one that I could try.

It is extremely frustrating.

bubbly1973 · 02/12/2005 12:29

katie, make sure your a pain in the arse to them, make them give you an answer your happy with, go on to them and if the consultant still hasnt rung you, ring back, ...sometimes you have to be on there backs in order to get the answers

if they say 'cos we dont offer it' ask them why they dont offer ..this is just not on, i feel very strongly about this, its peoples feelings they are messing with,

the clinic i was with are one of the best, and if they think its good enough to do reductions then i wouldnt let anyone bluff there way through saying theres no point doing follicle reductions etc etc

i really hope they do it, infact i hope you dont have to go through with it because on saturday they will tell you all is well and you have 2 large eggs and can go ahead with iui...fingers crossed

katierocket · 02/12/2005 12:42

thanks bubbly (again!)
I agree that I think I need to pester them. You really have to keep on at them don't you. I think the answer will probably be "because we don't" but we will see. Going to give it an hour and then ring back again.

katierocket · 02/12/2005 14:00

OK so have spoken to a consultant. Apparently they don't do it because the procedure itself is not guaranteed to work (i.e. get rid of the follicle with the egg) and therefore the risk of multiple pregnancy remains.
There isn't really much I can do now except go in tomorrow and see. If they do cancel it then I will ring the other clinic near us and ask them if they offer it then the next time we try, we'll give them a go instead. Which clinic did you go to Bubbly?

I'm going to try and find out how many clinics do offer this procedure althought not sure where I'm going to get that information.

bubbly1973 · 02/12/2005 15:35

katie, i dont believe a word they are saying!! i went to CARU university hospital of wales

i had 3 large ones on each side and about 20 little ones, if it wasnt guaranteed to work there is no way they would have done that!!!

they suck the fluid inside the follicle which then deflates that follicle, so there is no way an egg would remain in there.

im annoyed, this is ridiculous, but never mind, go in tomorrow and good luck, after that, id look into going somewhere where they do offer this treatment.

katierocket · 02/12/2005 16:26

I know bubbly, I think the real reason is because it is more hassle for them and they have to have an embrologist (sp?) present rather than it just being done by a nurse. Not much I can do now (and I am SO frustrated but trying not to let it wind me up too much) but we will definitely look into going somewhere else. It's so crap isn't it.

Congrats to you by the way. Lovely to hear a success story!

ebbie22 · 03/12/2005 04:59

Message from milseygirl........
Hello everyone,hope you are all doing ok,havent been online for a while[hense my friend now posting]and not sure when internet will be up and running,will pop on this computer asap...BUT got a b.f.p yesterday and am sooooo happy as always wanted to be pregnat at christmas[or anytime in the last 17 months],heres some baby dust for you all [if only friend knew how to do it...lol]xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,kisses instead...

I will still come and chat to you ALL when i can if you dont mind,as you have all been my rock when it felt that NOONE ELSE knew just how much this effected me....Thanks guys xxx

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Roobedoo · 03/12/2005 19:49

Wow - at last some success on this thread! Massive CONGRATULATIONS Milsey. So was it a clomid cycle or had you finished? Just telling DH that finally one of us has succeeded - so relieved! Look forward to hearing how many beans are in there. Well done you.

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bubbly1973 · 03/12/2005 21:59

congratulations milsey girl...wonderful news,

katie, how did you get on today? i hope they said you can go ahead with the iui..good luck