JSing viroids, on your marks, get set, shag!

[JosieSmith1]

The (updated)(again)(again)(again) 'rules' from our Just Shagging Originator for the Viroids:

Maintain a relaxed attitude at all times - drink if you want too, especially on your birthday (or when you've had bad news). Thread precedent dictates if you drink to excess you will get a BFP (but not recommended). (But it does work).

Covet thy husband and enjoy every minute. Shag at every opportunity - shag-capes and awesome superpowers optional.

Keep acronym-age to a minimum! EWCM is now to be referred to as 'pant snot'. Try not to get sucked in by Fertility Friend (at least for a while), but knowing where you are in your cycle and furkling for pant snot is most definitely allowed.
OV is ovulation - I'm allowed to forget what date I've OVd, feel free to join me on that one!

Bunting is to be put out for any small victory, thread-parties are held regularly and hugs are always welcome!

Once you have your BFP, feel free to hang around and share your wisdom and virtual cocktails with the JSers.

Keep us up to date with gossip!

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Most of these rules are well and truly broken!! But we try to chill - honest

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Part 1 Graduates:
Tanmu82 - BFP
PrivetDancer - BFP
OnlyWantsOne - BFP
Frankenfanny ? BFP
Notso - BFP
knittakid - BFP
loopeylu - BFP
PinkFondantFancy - BFP
Grannyapple ? BFP
Fuzzywood - BFP
canoe - BFP
janedoe - BFP
StarflowerGirl - BFP

Part 2 Graduates:
ihaveaplan - BFP
lovemylulu - BFP
shitforbrains - BFP
gormers - BFP

Part 3 Graduates
Bonkerz - BFP
Kitten - BFP
Cowboylover - BFP
takingtheplunge ? BFP

Part 4 Graduates:
NoMoreChocBiscuits - BFP
Milanomum - BFP
Cremegg - BFP
BrassicaBabe - BFP
Dynababy - BFP

Part 5 Graduates:
TakeThatLady - BFP
Vallinna - BFP
SingingMog - BFP
aDarkStarWithStrangeWays - BFP
Eskarina - BFP

Part 6 Graduate
Reality - BFP

Part 7 Graduates:
Katiepie - BFP
CaramelGirl - BFP
Nickelbabe - BFP
Panpie - BFP
Brightcopperkettles - BFP

Hello viroids!!

I have News. I am 6 weeks pregnant!!!!!! That was what Nelly was alluding to over on the grads thread. Just a reminder, I am Miffles but now have an apple seed growing!!!

Got my BFP last week...totally shocked as you know we were due to start IVF. It was month 10 of clomid...and I doubled my dose this month as an all or nothing ploy. Now a little worried about twins! Like brassica!

All going well so far, though still can't believe it. Told my sisters last night and they both screamed and set off the babies!! Most people know how long we've been trying (2years) so are delighted for us!

Anyway!!!

Love the new name suggested for Nelly EggNogNelly!

Josie good news on the cake and interest. I hope things take off for you. And well done on seeing your friend. Totally understand why you'd be mad at her moaning. But just a warning for you...when you are pregnant, don't expect it all to be lovely and roses. Hormones do cruel things and however much you've been wanting to pregnant, it may be tough. And that's ok! I don't want you to beat yourself up if that happens. Does that make sense?

Right, best be off. Posting from my phone and at work. Happy fireworks everyone!

Glad to hear from you all again :). Sorry about the 'lergy chocolate, I love the image of you and your hubby casting evil glances at each other over your hankies/vom buckets*. Oh and I think I'll take up your very clever name suggestion too. All I have to do now is find out how to name change! Massive fingers crossed for Wednesday. It must be incredibly stressful, not just being able to enjoy being in the early stages of pregnancy. I so hope it works out ok.

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josie sorry things are still tough for you; though with regard to the JSing - well once is technically enough! And hooray for the paying job- businesses can be hard to get off the ground; but hopefully you feel like you are taking steps in the right direction at least.

I'm still so very excited for you princess. What made you PIAR? Did you have symptoms? Or was ERTD late before you started on the Gu puddings . After all this time you must have hardly believed your eyes -I know 2 pink lines would make me feel like I was hallucinating .

sitting in front of a toasty fire with a fair glass of . Hope everyone else is having a nice weekend too :)

Yay! I figured it out

Periods had been 31 to 34 days. I think I had finished.day 34 with no sign at all. Normally get a bit of pink smearing when went to the loo. Nowt. And my boobs were still sore, when normally they settle down before AF. So at 1am in the morning, I PIAR! Total shock and disbelief when it came out BFP.

Still sore boobs and so so tired. Also tummy permanently feels off...full and sick. Not nice. But I know it's worth it. Oh, and really bad wind too!

Enjoy your and fire. Really need to go get some food, but too knackered to move. Would also only buy carbs!!

It must have been so exciting to see it :). Haha at the wind though - pregnancy seems to be really rather glamorous .

Spotting here :(. I'm only on day 21, and I think 11DPO. My cycles seem too short, I think.

Congrats PrincessAppleSeed. I understand being pg isn't all plain sailing but I'd give anything to be where my friend is now

I thought I was due AF last Saturday and with no sign of it so far I thought I was 3 days late and was getting really excited. Turns out I'm a week ahead of myself and I'm not due AF till this Saurday. Gutted isn't the word. I honestly thought that we were finally gonna get the news we'd been waiting for the last 16 months. I stupidly let myself imagine seeing a BFP and finally being able to tell people after all this time

And now I'm also avoiding phone calls from work because I'm terrified of speaking to them.

Oh josie how annoying about getting the dates mixed up . If it's any consolation, that does make you a good JS-er though .

Still spotting here

Best of luck for tomorrow chocolate.

Hi viroids! Just thought I would pop across to say hello!

Loving the new name nelly! Can't believe Christmas is so close though. Sorry about the spotting - any chance that it may not be the real thing?

Sorry that things are still so hard for you too Josie. Really pleased that your cake business seems to be getting off the ground though. Mmmmm, cake......!

I have my fingers crossed for you chocolate. I think you joined here just after I graduated. It must have been a hard time for you, not knowing for sure, so hope it all goes well, and I might see you "on the other side"!

I am 27wks now, and seem to have finally kicked the ciggies. I feel terrible at taking so long. Anyway, things are going along fine for me at the moment. I really miss you all, and all the support on the thread, and I lurk as much as possible!

Hi Bam - lovely to see you! Well done on the stopping smoking; I bet you'll soon be one of those evangelical non smokers . Hurrah for a so-far uneventful pregnancy too.

It's a nice thought that the spotting might be something else; but I usually get it. However I just read a thread where someone had brown spotting then a bfp after 14 months, which made me stupidly hope for a nano-second; before I remembered that this is a normal ERTD sign for me. Oh well, another month JSing I guess

Any news chocolate? been thinking of you today, and hoping no news doesn't = bad news.

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Still light spotting here. 14DPO here but pretty sure ERTD is on it's way

Hi viroids. Just thought I'd let you all know that after my stupid mistake last week, I'm actually feeling just a little bit more optimistic, as if maybe one day it will happen for us. Was a little sad yesterday when DH was playing with his nephews and watching kids TV when his mam said, with some insensitivity, 'you don't know the kids programmes, you don't have kids' and then tried to hand DH a dirty nappy telling him he'd have to get used to it someday. She doesn't know what she's saying sometimes. Anyway, I've also had a good couple of counselling sessions whereby I'm doing some 'mindful thinking' exercises (I have to wear an elastic band around my wrist and when I catch myself thinking self-criticising thoughts I have to twang it to hurt myself and stop myself thinking it) and they seem to be helping my confidence. Also, today I bought a gorgeous new winter coat, a matching pair of boots, and got a new phone which I wasn't expecting, so I've decided I might as well have a more confident, optimistic me to go with all my new accessories And in the metro centre with DH tonight I felt like my old self, which I was scared i would never get back, but now I know it's possible, and it felt sooo good to be confident and so happy that the man in the phone shop thought I was a bit nuts as I got over excited about a purple phone

Also, did I mention I have my first appt at the fertility clinic next week? And DH had to hand in a sperm test so hopefully we will find out if there are any problems in his dept, and also how we are going to move forward from here. I'm hoping I'm going to feel much better after the appt, after all, it's easy for people to say 'I'm sure it'll happen one day' but at least if the fertility clinic say something similar we know they've got the experience to know what they're talking about.

Loving the festive name Nelly, I'm sooooo over excited for xmas but I'm trying to comtain it until at least December, then I will unleash it

I'm really glad to hear that you are feeling more upbeat Josie. The band thing seems simple but obviously effective, it's so easy to beat down on yourself isn't it? I do it too sometimes, and have to keep reminding myself to be nice to ME :). Yay for a cool new phone too!

No I don't think I knew your were having your first appointment - that's quite exciting! Answers are definitely required for both of us I feel. We've been quite patient enough.

We definitely have Nellly, how are things moving along for you? I'm nervous about our appt, and nervous to hear DH's results but they can do things for every eventuality so fingers crossed that one day it'll happen for us

Ohhh Nelly, glad you like the name suggestion! Now instead of wine in front of the fire, maybe some eggnog and shagging in front of the fire for the festive season?

So excited that Josie's cake business is starting to take off. The initial bit always the hardest, once word of mouth has set in it is much easier to get business. The rubber band idea made me cringe, but it is something we all need somedays. You have me all excited over winter clothing now, time to de-mould my winter jacket and knee high boots since we are heading to the UK for Xmas this year. Warm fire, glass of wine and roast duck on the menu.....and Cumberland sausage, nice cheese, big egg and bacon breakfasts etc etc.....

Congrats to miffles. The same as two of my friends, got preggers just before starting IVF. If it is twins, just think two for the price of one big belly.

Nice to hear bambam has kicked the ciggie habit. I will see you on the grad thread soon enough, just getting the confidence to jump over. The scan went well, considering "it" already has some form of hyperactivity syndrome! Tech has never found it so hard to get an NT measurement. Constant somersaults. :) We were in for an eternity. I did not mind at all, somersaults much better than a heap of ums and ahhs with the tech then running off for a second opinion before telling you the bub has no heartbeat. Tech said the NT measurement was not the most accurate she has taken, but did her best, seems normal. Blood results back next week.

OH and I already do not care about the results as we have both worked alot with downs kids and are willing to take the risk. we are not religious or anything, but as OH said, "once I'd seen it moving about there is no way I could choose to kill it". He also stated there is no way of knowing if it is deaf, blind, autistic etc so why discriminate. OH is as subtle as a sledgehammer! Probably time to nervously jump to the grads thread. Jan 7th next scan, such a long wait. I think I need to join a yoga class and learn to relax and enjoy this a bit more.

Apart from that i'm dealing with stolen credit card details #*%#! The bastards have spent $1400 already. Card now cancelled, now for the long, drawn out process of trying to get the money back or cheaper Xmas presses all round for the whole family.

Love Xmas time. Happy decorating everyone!

Oh chocolate I am so happy to hear that it's all fine, after such a shaky start! Is it starting to feel real now? Please spend some time on here as well as the grads thread, to keep us up to date! Boo to the thieving bastards, did they clone the card or actually nick it?

How is everyone else? crow and babylann are you still lurking? Hope you are all well and shagging away, even if not actually TTC. Anyway, we are Just Shagging so it's all good

Oh and re the shagging in front of the fire, great idea but perhaps not when we've had house guests all weekend .

Great news chocolate

I'm still here Nelly, on day 4 of cycle 17 and off to fertility clinic tomorrow for the first time, will hopefully get DH's results from his JIAJ and hopefully it's good news too. I really hope they decide to do something, even if it's more tests, I just want to feel like things are moving in the right direction. I have recently started talking to someone on fb who I knew 10 years ago in college and I could guess from her posts that she's TTCing her second child so I got in touch to tell her what we're going through and it turns out she got diagnosed with PCOS, spent 3 years TTCing her first and now she's on clomid (beeing TTCing number 2 for 4 years now) but if it doesn't work she can't have IVF on NHS because she's already got a child It's so unfair for her, I can't imagine what she's going through. She has been a great help though, much like you ladies on here.

I'll try and pop on tomorrow, let you all know how the appt went

P.S. I have decided cycle 17 is going to include lots of fun JSing (involving pre-seed ) and I have downloaded an app on my new mobly of sex positions We're gonna make a proper go of it this cycle, not that it'll make any difference but at least I'll feel like we tried harder

Right, well. First fertility appt today. Not particularly good, but not particularly bad either (in the doctors opinion anyway). Had smear to check for chlamydia, scan to check my ovaries and blood tests to check my egg reserves. She says I only have 2 follies on each ovary, which isn't very many, and ties in with my blood test results. She says the hormone that your brain releases to tell your ovary to ovulate is raised indicating that my ovaries are working harder than they should and she thinks my ovaries/follies are more like someone 10 years my age. So now it's HSC (I think they're the right initials) time. Has anyone had this? Can someone prepare me please, it sounds horrific, and the dr says I'll need pampering for a week afterwards, is it really that bad?! Plus, she says if my blood test shows low egg reserves or a problem with my tubes, she will be recommending IVF sooner rather than later. I was a bit shell shocked at that, I wasn't expecting IVF to be mentioned quite so soon, I thought it was sort of a last resort. Anyway, I'm giving myself today, and maybe tomorrow, to feel sorry for myself and mope, but then I'm going to fight, because if I have to go through these very invasive and embarrassing tests, and potentially IVF, it's going to be hard. Very hard. So I need to start fighting now to give myself a good chance of getting through it, and being miserable never helped anyone in the long run

Hugs and to everyone. Speaking of I have a new Mary Berry cook book, think I might get baking.......

Hey.

Wanted to jump on and offer Josie a hug. Well done for making positive steps...both on your counselling and fertility appt. I'm so glad you were in a good place when you went. It is a shock to get news like that, but so much better to know. I almost found it empowering to know me and DH weren't just doing it wrong but there was a real reason why it wasn't happening. It sounds like a good clinic.too, doing all those tests and not leaving you hanging around. IVF of course isn't what any of us imagine happening. But having got to the edge and peered over, it would be manageable. And paid for, unlike your friend. Give yourself time. Xx

Great news choc!! So happy for you. How many weeks? Come on over to the grads thread. We're on the ante-natal boards (can't link on phone). It's only a few of us, but you remember how we can chat!

Do you know....I've never had EggNog Nelly. What's it like?!

Thanks PrincessBean I know what you mean about not doing something wrong. At least if there's something wrong then they can do something about it. I keep telling myself it's half an hour of pain/being uncomfortable out of my whole life and in years to come I won't even remember it. The main issue I'm struggling with is feeling embarrassed (I don't even like DH down there never mind complete strangers) and worrying that DH will think I'm disgusting and won't love me anymore and won't see me as a woman anymore (got a bit upset about it tonight). This is all part of the self-esteem issues I'm working through with the counsellor at the moment though and I'm feeling more positive about myself so DH has agreed that he will make a real effort to make me feel loved and fancied etc. I am considering asking if he can be present during the test, only because I think it will help me get over these issues of feeling too vulnerable and exposed, and to be honest, when I can get over the embarrassment, I think it'll be really interesting to see all my inside bits . After all, if he is going to be at the birth of our child (which we will inevitably conceive now) I will have to get used to him seeing me vulnerable and exposed. Anyway, enough of my 'issues'

I understand how you feel exposed. I hope your counselor and DH are able to help you with the thoughts that he won't find you attractive after.

However, let me try and put yourmind at rest about the actual procedure. The nurses who do it, do it all the time. They are more used to looking at peoples fanjos then their faces! As an optician, people sometimes feel self concious and silly in the big trial frames they have to wear. They think I'm laughing at them. Except I put them on 15 people a day and it is v v normal and boring! I used to feel apprehensive about my bikini wax (all off thank you v much) but the waxer pointed out she sees ladies bits all day long. So when you go and are lying there, just think its no differen to the dentist or a haircut or the opticians. All in a days work.

Personally, Im not sure I'd want my DH there, but that's just me.

When is it?

Hey Josie, sorry I haven't been about recently. I have been very tired recently (and grumpy too, if I didn't know better I'd swear I was up-duffed ). But just wanted to say, well done for getting the first appointment out of the way. Hearing something is "wrong" must be scary and disappointing, but on the other hand, your clinic sounds positive about it, and now you have A Plan.

Try not to get yourself into too much of a tizz about IVF. It's not pleasant by all accounts, but my sister has done it and although it was a bit tough, she got through it relatively easily, so don't build it up too much in your mind, if you can avoid it! Also (and I hope this doesn't sound trite or patronising in any way!) whilst being told your ovaries are a bit "older" than ideal is scary, they are still younger than the real age of mine . Oh and on the HCS, is that dildo-cam? Remember the "dildo-cam-scam"? Loads of JSers had them and I don't remember any of them saying it was too terrible either. So in short - often the anticipation is worse than the real thing, for the tests, the indignity, whatever it is. When the time comes, you'll just cope :)

Plus, it will all be worth it in the end

Hey princess. How is baked bean doing? How long till scan? I've never actually tasted EggNog! But MulledwineNelly didn't have the same ring . Oh but all-off waxing? Oooowwww! .

Jsing has started here again. OH has been very lightly educated in the plan for the month, and he has risen to the occassion, haha!

God I can never spell occasion properly. eejit.

Hi Nelly, I had the dildo cam at my appt. The HSG is where they put the speculum in, then insert a catheter through the cervix and inject a dye to fill the uterus and tubes, and then take an xray. I've heard good and bad things about it and to be honest I'm terrified of having it done, and terrified of the results. If both my tubes are blocked there's no way I can get pg naturally (obviously) so in essence we'll have wasted the last 18 month trying. I've heard that if they find the tubes are blocked they might try and push the dye through to unblock them and that's supposed to be painful. I'm really embarrassed about having things like that done, more so because DH knows what's happening but I'm considering asking him to come in with me. After all, his presence usually reassures me, it's just being embarrassed that's making me unsure. But I figure if I'm uncomfortable with him seeing that, what am I going to be like in labour! He keeps telling me I'm strong enough to do the test, which really helps, and keeps assuring me that if he saw the test he wouldn't see me any differently and wouldn't be 'grossed out'

Although one positive, I used to be terrified of internal exams and smears and was worried that when I went into labour (because at that point I assumed I'd be pregnant after 1 month of TTCing ) and they had to check how dilated I was that I would be really embarrassed and hate it, but now I honestly don't think it would bother me, apart from DH being there, which is why I'm thinking about him being present at HSG.

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

Hugs josie, like princess said, hopefully the counsellor can help make you feel less apprehensive about some of it. And for the physical side, nearly every I "know" on MN who had it said it was fine. Take some painkillers before maybe? And I think it's great that it can be a treatment as well as a diagnostic tool. "well you did have a blockage but we've fixed it now". No time to worry about it first! Also, I believe the success rates of pg just after are quite high too, so even if there is nothing obvious it can give you a good clear out .

Shag week here. Oh is out buying wine as we speak .