JSing viroids, on your marks, get set, shag!

[JosieSmith1]

The (updated)(again)(again)(again) 'rules' from our Just Shagging Originator for the Viroids:

Maintain a relaxed attitude at all times - drink if you want too, especially on your birthday (or when you've had bad news). Thread precedent dictates if you drink to excess you will get a BFP (but not recommended). (But it does work).

Covet thy husband and enjoy every minute. Shag at every opportunity - shag-capes and awesome superpowers optional.

Keep acronym-age to a minimum! EWCM is now to be referred to as 'pant snot'. Try not to get sucked in by Fertility Friend (at least for a while), but knowing where you are in your cycle and furkling for pant snot is most definitely allowed.
OV is ovulation - I'm allowed to forget what date I've OVd, feel free to join me on that one!

Bunting is to be put out for any small victory, thread-parties are held regularly and hugs are always welcome!

Once you have your BFP, feel free to hang around and share your wisdom and virtual cocktails with the JSers.

Keep us up to date with gossip!

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Most of these rules are well and truly broken!! But we try to chill - honest

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Part 1 Graduates:
Tanmu82 - BFP
PrivetDancer - BFP
OnlyWantsOne - BFP
Frankenfanny ? BFP
Notso - BFP
knittakid - BFP
loopeylu - BFP
PinkFondantFancy - BFP
Grannyapple ? BFP
Fuzzywood - BFP
canoe - BFP
janedoe - BFP
StarflowerGirl - BFP

Part 2 Graduates:
ihaveaplan - BFP
lovemylulu - BFP
shitforbrains - BFP
gormers - BFP

Part 3 Graduates
Bonkerz - BFP
Kitten - BFP
Cowboylover - BFP
takingtheplunge ? BFP

Part 4 Graduates:
NoMoreChocBiscuits - BFP
Milanomum - BFP
Cremegg - BFP
BrassicaBabe - BFP
Dynababy - BFP

Part 5 Graduates:
TakeThatLady - BFP
Vallinna - BFP
SingingMog - BFP
aDarkStarWithStrangeWays - BFP
Eskarina - BFP

Part 6 Graduate
Reality - BFP

Part 7 Graduates:
Katiepie - BFP
CaramelGirl - BFP
Nickelbabe - BFP
Panpie - BFP
Brightcopperkettles - BFP

Thanks Caramel and bambam - I can't tell you how much it means to be understood! OH tries, bless him. But today ERTD arrived properly, and I had proper period pain too, ugh. When I got home tonight I said to OH that I was a bit cranky because of that, and he didn't respond. A couple of minutes later I said "umm, did you hear that" and he just said "oh, yeah". That was it! No acknowledgement of what that meant the git. Luckily I can vent to you lot!

caramel yes you are right that the bad months don't really count I suppose, but checking back I do think we JS'd at least once in the 5 days or so before predicted OV most months. And it's only supposed to take one time, right? Re the boxers, his current favourites are the sort of brushed cotton clingy type - CK style I guess. I'll maybe suggest the baggy ones and see what he says! Best of luck with the accupuncture. I might try it just for the relaxation, if nothing else.

bambam oh gosh please don't worry about hanging about! Honestly, truly, it gives me hope-plus maybe it'll be catching?? Head over to the Grads whenever you feel ready, but don't be pushed out by grumpy old me. I'll take the hug, anyway .

Did a stupid thing today. Had to go into ToysrUs to buy something to take to my friend's boys this weekend (beach balls for the pool, hurrah ). Anyway I decided to torture myself by wandering into the babies section and had a minor wibble at the stuff-I'm-not-allowed-to-buy. It was stupid of me, and I have pulled myself together and come home to have a GnT .

Hope all the other viroids are ok. SES, any news on next steps for you? I saw on the grads thread that Sleepycaz had another MC :(. If you are lurking, come and join us whenever you feel ready. Hope crow is having a fun week! And dee - all good? How did the doc go, josie?

Hello viroids! I have a BFN at last!!!!! Unusually I am v v happy about a BFN Now I just need to wait for 1st post-mc AF and we'll be properly boarding the ttc rollercoaster again!!!

Sorry to hear of those of you feeling down and having tough times.

Miffles - you are one wise lady. some great words of comfort and advice for all of us there.

Nelly - sorry ERTD arrived and hope it's not too painful for too long. I don't normally get much more of a response from my DH. I think sometimes he thinks saying nothing is better than saying the wrong thing!

BamBam - I echo Nelly's comments that you must stick around here! It wouldn't be the same place without you :)

Caramel - good luck with the accupuncture

Babylann - don't worry about rambling. I often do! I agree with the others about going back to your GP. It is worth asking more about some medication. I can't remember if you've said if you've taken ADs before but there are some good ones out there now that are non addictive and work on the serotonin levels in the brain. In some people these levels are naturally low which causes low mood. (I'm a pharmacist so feel free to PM me if you want to know more, or if you know all about it anyway, don't worry!)

crow - enjoy your time in Wales! Hoping you'll have some good news for us on your return!

Josie - hope your horse is ok and you enjoyed your trip to the spa!

I'm off to see Take That at Wembley on Friday and then off to Ireland on Saturday to see the inlaws for DH's 40th birthday. I'm also in the process of organising a surprise birthday party for him on Sat 16th once we're back home!

Oh Nelly, sorry to hear you're having a hard time, if it helps, I'm onto cycle 13 now too. I remember when TTL and the others got their BFPs too, makes you feel like you've been here forever doesn't it.

Babylann I'm sorry to hear you're having such a hard time too. If you want to chat about it feel free to PM me, I am seeing a counsellor and tend to suffer from anxiety quite a bit so hopefully I could relate a little bit?

Have been to docs to discuss the next steps, first I'll have a day 21 blood test this cycle, then on next cycle (because of course I'll have another cycle after this one, who am I kidding) I'll have a day 3-4 test then go in to discuss the results. Part of me hopes there's something wrong and they can sort it without any of the more invasive tests On the plus side, after the blood tests we get referred to a fertility clinic, which is in the Centre for Life in Newcastle, which is a fascinating place (if you're into that sort of thing) so I'm sort of looking forward to that, in a weird way

Hugs to Nelly and Babylann

P.S Nelly it's a bite/kick from another horse but has just taken the top layer of skin off and the swelling's gone down.

Hurray for the BFN SES (much as it pains me to write that!). Fingers crossed now that you can get ERTD out of the way quickly. Your weekend sounds fun and frantic! Surprise party too, that's very cool!

Josie glad your horse is on the mend. Your doc sounds like they are starting on a similar path to mine, I presume it's fairly standard at this stage of the process. I am certainly taking some comfort knowing we are doing something pro-active at least!

I'm working from home tomorrow so might get on a bit more, so I hope you are all in chatty mood .

Huh I guess not chatty then . Actually I have bucket loads of work to do before I head off for the weekend. Must concentrate on work, not MN .

Had a huff with OH last night as he hasn't managed to arrange to go to the hospital with his SA sample yet. He is now away for the weekend, so said he could do it next week, except I need him to impregnate me next week . So I guess at least another fortnight before we get any more answers. Bloody men. I'm surprised he hasn't asked me to shut up, the amount of ticking my body clock is doing, and yet he's completely laid back about this.

The weather is rubbish here today. Luckily it's 28 and sunny where I am off to :)

Gosh nelly I'd be cross too. My DH keeps asking if he'd have to JIAR. As he is apparently a bit worried about this. When I got pg so quickly last time he was v proud and made up songs about it. Think he is, quietly, taking it quite hard. I ordered all viroidally banned ov sticks etc from amazon last night and then decided to stop stressing about it. Durrr.
Lucky you going away. We are hoping for a blessedly quiet weekend. But DH out at dull engagement party- in Fulham at super pretentious looking place- on Saturday and then we are going to Regents Park outdoor theatre on Sunday for comedy. Hoping it doesn't rain for that obvs.
All else good. Just visited heavily pg friend who is camping in new house without any furniture. And babysitting three of her husband's nieces. Only one of whom speaks English. So they are mostly watching French cartoons on iPad whilst she tries to occupy her grumpy little DS. I am not as jealous of her as I used to be!
Enjoy hol and

well he does have a very busy stressful job. But so do I, and yet I've managed to make this higher priority and squeezed in the blood tests. I was ok about it until he helpfully pointed out that he'd worked from home a couple of times in the intervening period, to look after my horse. I am hugely hugely grateful to him for doing this; but I did not appreciate the sub-text of what he was saying ie I'm only prepared to do one thing for you, and if that was look after the horse, then the SA has to wait. . Perhaps I'm reading a bit much into it, and maybe he is actually worried that he is the problem, which I guess would be a bit of a blow to his manhood (in his head). But that's not a reason not to find out, is it? I mean, when I found the lump on my breast a couple of months ago, I was terrified about what it meant, but called the doctor immediately to make an appointment to have it checked out. Ignoring things like this tends not to help, I have found .

Anyway we both have a few fun days apart (separately, but that's ok!) and then back to JSing next week; and who knows, maybe we won't need the SA after all

I wonder despite the JS moniker, if any of you are doing anything else rule-breaking (inspired by Caramel's viroidally banned piss-sticks ). I don't chart/temp etc but I was thinking about trying to lay off the wine in the 2ww this month. I wonder which of the urban myths are actually worth bothering about? I seem to ovulate, seem to have pant-snot, seem to have a fairly normal LP, seem to have fairly normal cycles. So I don't think there is much I need to try to influence, other than "Sperm, meet Egg. Egg, take sperm by the tail, and the two of you snuggle in to this nice warm uterine lining. And bloody well stay there until I tell you to come out"

I've got a bit chatty today, sorry . Making up in advance for my potential internet-free days away!

Hi ladies :) another quickie as I'm on my phone ... ERTD arrived in full force this morning, after spotting yesterday evening am lying here in bed, unable to sleep due to the cramps - very painfu, yuk.

Having a lovely time other than that, even though it's rained most of the time. Just good to get away and chill and catch up with my friend. She's got a 12 month old DD who is adorable and I'm more broody than ever.

Another rainy day here, and the way I'm feeling, it's the perfect weather to be snuggled on the sofa with a hot water bottle on my tum while watching True Blood all day (friend has introduced me to it and I'm addicted )

Hope everyone is good, and I'll be able to catch up properly when I get home.

Quick from me as have 15 mins free wifi at airport. Won't be on for a few days, but feeling devastated as had to have my horse put to sleep last night, the one that's been poorly on and off for months. I feel like someone has ripped a bit out of me .

So glad I'm away for a few days as stating at her empty stable was killing me. Hugs to you all. Sorry for ERTD crow .

Life is shit sometimes.

Oh nelly so sorry about your horse. You put so much work into trying to nurse her as well. I hope you will be able to enjoy your break away.

Sorry about ERTD crow. It sounds like a rotten one. Have a

Viroids, I just had a massive thought!

You know how they say that you should drink grapefruit juice up until OV, and then pineapple juice to make the bean stick? Well it just occurred to me that, in the week or so before BFP, DP bought a pineapple as it was on special offer, and we were munching it for a couple of days. Maybe it worked! Just thought I would share that thought, as you never know!

9weeks now, and I have my scan appointment for 28 July. Really excited about that. I have to see the stop-smoking midwife tomorrow. I feel like such a selfish bitch for still smoking, and I really hope she can help.

Hope you are all okay today, and that ERTD is easing up a bit crow.

So sorry nelly, as bambam said you did your very best for her. Hope that is some comfort.
I was thinking about the viroidally banned list and I do most everything neurotic. Reason being that I thought I'd find it v difficult to conceive ever and then I saw lots if infertility issues in clinical practice when I was training. So I swotted up on what would poss help them. And, when it came to ttc I had detoxed, been off drink for ages, avoided hot baths-and ended all showers on cold, exercised regularly, swallowed a trunkful of pills etc. etc. And we were v lucky with dd arriving well and on schedule. So I thought instant conception was clearly just down to a tick list. Thing is I've followed that same ticklist with somewhat less success this time. So have decided to actually chill out a bit more. I didn't feel obsessive as was just automatic but have to say that if I'd read thread rules rather than just lurking and enjoying banter I would probably have realised neurotic planners should go eksewhere. Nevermind, you're stuck with me now! And I have grapefruit for breakfast and some pineapples ripening nicely for 2ww.
Went out with OH to meet a close friend of his who is moving to san Francisco next month. We were strolling around Waterloo listening to Cuban music and watching people determinedly enjoying icy mojitos and dancing stiffly and I thought wistfully of long haul flights. Keep thinking I'd like to just run away- with DH and DD- for a while. Thing is, as a neurotic planner I'd have to get a vaccination schedule etc. Which would prob restrict spontaneity a bit.
Anyway, hi to all viroids and especially to crow with truly Ertd.

Oh and well done on bfn ses I've been there and it's better when the pee stick agrees with what you know is true. To me it felt that my body was ready to start all over. Good luck to you.

Sorry to hear of ERTD Crow

Nelly I'm so so sorry to hear about your horse. After what you'd told me you honestly did everything you possibly could and I'm sure she was much more comfortable at the end because of the love and care you'd given her. If you want to talk about it feel free to pm me (hugs)

I'm so sorry Nelly :(

I hope everyone is ok. I'll post better soon, on my phone lately as my computer isn't working :( and I hate writing on smart phones

Hi viroids. Hope you are all okay today.

How are you feeling babylann? I hope you are starting to feel a bit better within yourself.

Caramel I think we have all been secret rule-breakers on this thread at some point along the line! My problem was just that with my sieve-head, I always forgot about doing OV sticks at the same time each day, what I should be eating and when etc! Glad to hear about your grapefruits and pineapples though!

Well, I just had the smoking cessation midwife here. She was nice and not at all judgey. I have a patch on now, and she has given me a prescription for more, and also for mini-lozenges which I can use if I get desperate. I am really determined this time, and DP is joining in too, which is good. Also, we are just about to head off to a family barbecue, and my mum will KILL me if I even think about a fag now! She always hated it, but she would literally throttle me if I lit up near her now! It's a great motivation!

Out tonight. Bambam, v glad that you had a good n s midwife and that your dp helping too. Good luck.
Nelly, hope that you had as good a weekend as possible under circs.
I am at one of my favourite places in world- Regents Park open air theatre for comedy. Had a BBQ supper. Now waiting for performance to start.

Evening everyone.

Wedding went really well yesterday except for a punch up later on [cringe] but it all worked out ok in the end and they both had a fab day and looked stunning.

Nothing to report here so will check in another day [hsmile]

Hallo Ladies!

ERTD over and done with now and so is holiday OH still 110% wanting a baby and is in the JS spirit! Thanks to my friend's cute and very well behaved baby ... if she'd been a noisy, crying and unsettled baby I think he'd have been running further away from TTC! He's even talked about going for tests to check both our fertility. Fingers crossed for more JS opportunities this cycle (already started!)

How is everyone else? Nelly sorry to hear about your horse, I hope you're bearing up ok.

I think I've broken so many thread rules! Am now trying some cough medicine that my friend recommended to increase CM, she said she was almost flooded with it. Unfortunately for her, her tubes were blocked and she had IVF to have her baby. As a result, she's a fountain of knowledge and experience of all the tips.

Hi viroids. I'm home. Weekend was good. My horse had a PM which showed damage that was never going to recover, which is helping me rationalise it a bit. But now our very special cat is missing. She never leaves the immediate range of the house, so we are sick with worry . 2011 is officially shit.

Panic over. She re-appeared at 3am! OH had spent the entire day looking for her so when I realised she was back I woke him up. He was so happy to see her he suggested a celebratory shag . Good timing on CD8.

Kind of hoping life will start to settle down a bit now. That said work is very busy so will catch up later.

Firstly I apologise for the self indulgent post, secondly I apologise for my obscene language

The shit has hit the fan at work. Pg lady is putting in a complaint of bullying against me and the boss lady has complained to the team manager that I consistently don't do things she asks me to do, both claims are bullshit. I have no idea where I was when this so called bullying was going on, honestly, I can't even stick up for myself never mind bully anyone, and everyone who knows me is shocked this has happened as I'm the most unlikely person to bully someone. Funny how I have worked there with no problems for 6 years but suddenly I've become a bully who doesn't do her work

I'm going to the docs tomorrow to be signed off on the sick, I'm joining the union and I'm putting in a complaint against both these women as they seem to want me out.

Oh Josie what a complete crock . That's such a nightmare. Try to calm yourself down, and then write down as many facts as you can about incidents where you consider that you were treated unfairly. Keep them factual - dates, times, locations, words said; rather than emotive statements. I'm in no way an expert but I have a feeling they have to "prove" you bullied someone. Hopefully it will all blow over soon :(

Thanks Nelly. Needless to say I'm looking for a new job or just considering moving offices, I'm even considering a massive pay cut to work with horses as I've always wanted, even though I know deep down I can't afford a drop in wage, but who cares about money anyway. I don't care if that means they've won, it's such a stressful environment that I just want out. I've almost stopped crying now although I can't eat and I feel sick. Hopefully a little bit of time off work will do me the world of good.